>>263367>The reason why people come to America is to become Americans (the hyphens to describe Americans irks me, but that's how it is for now).
Yes, civic nationalism is the backbone of the nation - it's interesting you point out the hyphens, they've been "for now" ever since the first world war, and criticized ever since then. It's not exactly something to laugh at though, since europeans are rapidly coming to terms with a similar situation (not that we even should have to have immigrants that need to assimilate in any case over here) >Besides the parasites that come for gibs, and to make America, that's been jewed for a very long time, into an inferior country…
Well here is where despite the advantages of the admittedly somewhat good american ideal, the true evil at the core of the united states today emerges, at least in my opinion. I'll first give an example to show what I'm talking about - in Kyrgyzstan, the people are nomadic horse-breeders and riders, raising cattle in inhospitable mountains (incidentally this is the way of life the ancient aryans were thought to have lived, which I think might be part of why europe and then later by extension america grew it's desire for liberty) - and the central element of their culture is the tale of manas, a very long epic poem that defines who they are as a union of 40 tribes. while they may seem the same as mongolians or kazakhs to westerners, they are very different and unique to their neighbours, and then to complicate matters there are also big differences between the various tribes. but all this is changing as people move to cities and urbanize - not bad in and of itself but tribal affiliations begin to break down, and modern elements like smartphones, fast food, and - worryingly considering there is very little notice of this happening - feminism enter the country. Again (apart from feminism), not bad in and of itself. But then the younger generation begin to lose touch with their culture, and now a large number of them do not learn any of the tale of manas - which I cannot stress enough is the same thing as deciding not to be Kyrgyz at all, and in that absence people start to identify with america. Sorry for such a detailed example but I just wanted to illustrate how global this is. Here in England there's a scary trend, one I've noticed personally, of children so utterly mired in american culture that they speak with american accents, and if you talk to them they hate England and Englishness. None of this would be a problem if they were just immigrating to america, as you point out, but they aren't. There are more and more little americans all over the world, eating away at what makes a people what they are. Apologies if this seems a little silly, but it does deeply concern me - replacing culture and tradition virally on a global scale is the sort of thing the soviets could only dream of. > I would like to welcome new people that truly become American where it matters.
I can certainly understand that. The upside of america is that it can go anywhere and do anything without being tied down to age-old tradition and culture.>Blood, and battles have been spilt, perhaps not in the quantities, and for the length of time, but they have been spilt upon the land. Soaking the myths.
It may not have been the land since the birth of my ancestors' ancestors, but it is my land (an emphasis on might, holding onto ideals, yet knowing without the physical power to manifest those ideals anyone or anything can run roughshod over them)
This reminds me of Sparta, actually. The Spartans were foreign to their land, and held it by force, and they constantly reminded themselves of their foreign origin to the land so that they always knew they had to hold onto it with all they had. >Then each state has its own identity built ftom the people that live there. A mini country/city state. Each town has a different feel, some are more alike than others.
This is interesting in that this used to be slightly more the case in europe - especially germany. In that sense it was nationalism that got rid of it, uniting italy and germany, and strengthening national spirit elsewhere such as france and britain. >The mythos of the United States of America is one of the underdog. A relatively new country fighting the old powers.
I think the irony is that you guys were more of an underdog in 1812. Thing is, with the war of independence you seem very proud of beating us, but I think part of that is that you're associating the empire with what it was soon to become - britain was nothing like as strong back then, and you even had the aid of france, which was arguably stronger than us at the time. Furthermore the founding fathers were mostly wealthy freemasons, and while masons may seem like silly old men today, back then the power they wielded was no joke. And of course I'm not saying that one shouldn't be proud of the war of independence or the founding fathers (our founding father king alfred was hardly perfect - he lost a war, after all), I'm just saying I think it was a little easier than is sometimes given credit. And that's another interesting thing, that prior to the war of independence that americans saw themselves as brits, at least to my understanding. But if I think about it, in many ways americans are less different to the rest of england than the people of yorkshire or cornwall, same goes for australians, canadians and new zealanders. >life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
that cheeky underline on pursuit could give mr sanders a fit. >The folk lore that is now being lost due to lack of education (and care) of what it ment to be an American to pave what it means to be American, then what being American will mean in the future.
Sadly it seems like the american viralism I was talking about earlier works both ways. It's a weird cultural decay that I suppose should be blamed on the real (((causes))) rather than you guys.