/mlpol/ - My Little Politics

>>212629
I'll bite. Fags who say the casings 'magically disappear' (I know, the explanation is that they're edited in) are fags. You can clearly see the casings bouncing off the ground when Brenton is in the mosque, and when he's outside on the street they're harder to see (in several cases the camera doesn't pick them up) but they CAN be seen (you have to look away from where they disappeared from to see them bouncing along the ground). FFS, that's a what, 144p video? And I throw that out there to the "muh bullet wound" fags too.

>>212629
>Whether or not it was a falseflag event or not
If it was a falseflag, then it backfired partially in a way, I believe, terrifies the kikes.
It was supposed to generate a huge outrage with the judenpresse leading the narrative, however it brought also to the surface our narrative about White Genocide and kinda memed to the normies Race War and a subtle introduction to White Revolution.

>>212645
>however it brought also to the surface our narrative about White Genocide and kinda memed to the normies Race War and a subtle introduction to White Revolution.
Not to derail the purpose of this thread; which is to figure out if it was a false flag or not, not if it was beneficial or not; but I don't see it. I have read most of the posts on the subject in the first thread and they haven't really convinced me. Can you explain how this will bring us good PR?
You don't need to if you don't feel like it. I will otherwise, if I am not too lazy, go through the arguments I have seen thus far and explain why I think they don't really add up.

Does anyponer has more info about the following videos showing muslims staging a shooting.
https://twitter.com/2A_GraphX/status/1107818261712769024
https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=KNBN4SGSU3N6
https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=5NH44NNWADB8

>>212649
>Muslims kill 700 christians and non-muslims and politiciams/the media don't bat an eye
>One guy kills 50 Muslims and politicians/the media lose their goddamn minds
The hypocrisy is reaching critical mass, and it shows

>>212629
There really isn't anything that I have seen that screams out to me as a "False Flag". When the event happened, I was in the right place at the right time as I saw it live and use Open Broadcaster to record my screen. I don't know how to record or save videos from face book otherwise as I really don't use that site.

I have mixed feelings of what I saw and to be honest, I fell that the man in question was a bloody idiot. First to show his face, second to paste it on his facebook with clear identity. He wanted to be caught I think, perhaps become a martyr for his shitty cause, despite his manifesto speaking otherwise.

The only thing that is quite questionable is in this era, and technology plus cellphones, why was the response so damn long? They guy entered the mosque and left so casually, walked on the street with his rifle and there were other passer byes onlooking and he didn't shoot them, his eyes was on the target, the mosque. He shot the people who's backs were turned entered and continued to shoot. He was in the Mosque for several minutes after which anyone on the street would of known something wasn't right and a response would of been called in.

Many just use the excuse, "New Zealand has shitty police that is underfunded.", but I have been in one horse towns and even if the response was small, there was a response with in 3-5 minutes, not half hours.

So two things play on my mind, one: He wanted to be caught, wanted to beat the narritive of "Scarry white man".

Two: It was played out to make the most damage possible before being caught. I wonder if an inside job to delay the response. After all if he killed only one person and was shot, there wouldn't be as much media coverage and the impact for "accerationism" would be just a drop in the ocean. It is why it is just peculiar that so much time was given to make sure that the body count was as high as possible.

>>212662
Police response to an active shooter is expected to be slow. Unless an officer nearby decides to go above and beyond the call of duty to be a big god damn hero, then they're not gonna go racing in to stop the shooter ASAP and save lives.

What they'll do is try to cordon off the area to prevent people getting in and out, and they'll wait for backup. If that means waiting for an hour for the SWAT team to gear up, then they'll wait for an hour for the SWAT team to gear up. If there are people actively being murdered, then too bad so sad. They'll try and catch the guy eventually and prosecute him after the fact.

Remember that the police are not there to protect you. They are not there to stop crime. They are there to investigate crime and apprehend criminals. This is why it is so important for citizens to be armed so that they can protect themselves. This is why "gun free zones" are so dangerous.

As for whether it was a false flag, I'm interested in considering any evidence that anyone brings forward. My current opinion is that the shooter is a huge fucking idiot, but that the shooting was legit.

>>212629
Sorry, pastebin got deleted with hibernation so I had to spend extra hours regathering sources.


>>212644
Most of the things that people are saying are cgi, staged or faked are pretty weak evidence put forward with flimsy shit like "the shoes are different colors, they switched!" without knowing even what kind of shoes are popular with muslims. That's why I'm trying to address that people can still die in a false-flag.

I'm sure most of us have already watched the video, but if we're going to be anal about the details then it should be easy to access. So I'm uploading it in clips.

>>212662
>The only thing that is quite questionable is in this era, and technology plus cellphones, why was the response so damn long?
It looks unusual from our perspective and it could be a sign that it's a false-flag with stand-down orders but some kiwis have said the response is actually much faster than norm for the NZ police. More over, there's the weird fact that sharpshooters were in the area too so they actually had more help than normal.

Christchurch mosque shootings: Police reveal how they caught the alleged gunman

>NZ police who dragged BT from a car following a shooting at two Christchurch mosques came straight from a training session on how to deal with armed offenders. "They were actually training when the call came through that there was an active armed offender in Christchurch," Stills told the Herald.
>"They had their work vehicles there with them with firearms in them. They operationalised themselves and got into one car, they decided to skirt the city, they thought that's what the offender would do - rather than drive through the CBD.
>"They were driving on Brougham Street because they thought if he'd just been to Linwood [the second mosque attacked] that's a route he might take." Moments later they spotted a suspicious car.

http://archive.is/EhAX5

NZSAS soldiers in Christchurch for snipers event responded to mosque terror attack

>Some of the world's most deadly sharpshooters were in Christchurch when New Zealand's worst ever terror attack unfolded on Friday, with NZSAS taking to the streets to help hunt the rampaging mosque shooter.
>Snipers from the New Zealand military, as well as professional snipers from Australia and Asian countries, had been at the Defence Force shooting range at West Melton, 25kms west of the city, the Herald has been told.
>When the massacre unfolded, they were sprung into action and understood to have been granted special powers to take up arms in order to protect the public.
>NZSAS soldiers were photographed with weapons and balaclavas masking their face near the Al Noor Mosque by Hagley Park where a gunman stormed Friday prayer and shot dead more than 40 people.

http://archive.fo/8GezL

>>212629
Sorry for the off-topic, but do you have that pic without the text? I was able to find the original source (https://www.deviantart.com/yuntaoxd/art/Little-Rarity-766942064), but it lacks the Hakenkreuz.

>>212683
Sure, I made that little edit myself to be more of a thematic fit of an OP than just the original.

>>212684
Would be better if it was Coco Pommel. Didn't they change her name to Pommel because it was some spy code name?

>>212644
Having looked at the footage about 20 times I can say this is false information. I was only able to spot one difference in the terrain at all upon seeing the shot outside the mosque.

None the less this is the most assinine thing to argue over. As mentioned and proven; Mossad, leftwing cultists, the shooting "victims" of a previous false flag, and satanists have all been caught or recorded congregating in christchurch, and connections have been drawn to a special effects studio.

Combined with the fact that the gruesome scene of the girl outside the mosque involved her sitting and waiting in the beginning of the video for the attacker to come kill her sheds an iron clad doubt on the reality of this event. I do not put it outside the realm of possibility for the left to play russian roulette with its assets and really kill them off if people want to say they proved that this lady or others really died for real guiz. Escaped beings do not sit and wait for someone to come out and shoot them. Even if they for some reason wanted to stick around they would most certainly not sit with their backs to the action and wide open.

It cannot be argued that these groups are not involved without casting doubt on all previous false flags. The level, purpose, and goal of the people involved can be hashed out by more intelligent people than dumb thots like me. This is enough evidence to demand that investigation and the way detractors have tried to silence these facts through subterfuge as usual speaks to the shill thermometer effect.

>>212684
Thanks!
And nice job on the edit!

>>212690
Hello,

if you have it, I am interested in the information you have about the conregation of operatives in Christchurch and the special effects studio.

Many thanks in advance,
"Anonymous"

>>212644
Alright. Its worth noting upon seeing it in another thread that a lot of why people are saying this is because the webm is much worse quality. I've been made aware that you can see ALL the bullets pile up but only in the mp4.

If anyone could make a brief uncompressed form that would be helpful in dispelling the faulty information.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPi11cvL0JM

None the less, I don't think its improbably that the shooting was doctored. the lines here seem like a strange thing to add to a gun to me, but I'm a dumb thot, and it will take way more than my casual observations to spot any kind of green screen effects in 20fucking19. None the less it seems possible to me to overlay the fallen bullets without using special effects if the person is not even shooting there. It does seem unlikely though, even with a special effects studio, but not impossible.

More in the realm of possibility, Another anon who is a sound engineer appears to believe the audio has been compromised by post production. I'll leave it here for smarter people to deal with. I'm not an engineer, and its often said that compression covers any audio quality errors, but I do believe, on common sense, that since every audio file undergoes compression, this would make detecting any edited audio impossible if true. That doesn't really sound right to me.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/u0645304ljmo9u4/NewZealandEvidence.mp4?dl=0

>>212695
https://www.apnews.com/23eea98bc8154c368305a7b0b30c33d1
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/108905682/devil-in-its-detail-inside-the-world-of-new-zealands-satanists
http://archive.is/aEL6Z
The link for APnews doesnt respond well to archival.If anyone could create a redpill of it to better preserve it or make an edited html version that doesn't scrub itself when loaded from a file that would be ideal before this gets nuked. I have the html file and the images if they take it down though.

>>212690
>her sitting and waiting in the beginning of the video for the attacker to come kill her
When?
We see that courtyard area by the gate a few times before he shoots at her, and it appears to be empty every time.
For reference, I'm watching the 16:56 'ecpjxt.mp4' version from the original thread, which is 648x360. If anyone knows of a higher quality one, I'm all ears.
At ~6:20, when he goes to the building for the first time, that area is empty, apart from maybe the area right behind the gate, which we can't see.
At ~8:45, when he leaves for the first time (to get another gun from the car) we can clearly see that the area is empty, including the area right behind the gate that we couldn't see the first time.
At ~10:25, when he goes back into the building after shooting down the far end of the parking lot, we see it again and the area appears to still be solidly empty.
At ~11:45, when he leaves for the final time, is when we see her and someone else going through the gate, and he shoots at them.

>>212698
>Third image
That's not a fish, that's the Odal rune.

>>212700
missing the point
>>212699
It's a mosque. Why do you think she's there? Where could she possibly have come from? Could it be the mosque? If not the mosque, how many women do you know walking up to a building full of gun noises? Is risk taking and calm demeanor under stressful situations something we associate with females?
>>212696
Yeesh, today is the day I get fed a lot of false start it seems. Anon doing the audio said the audio was not doctored now. I wont pretend to know why but we've seen leads dry up before so I'm not really in a position to argue about it.

>>212696
Any other questions?

>>212662
>show his face and identity
He was going to be caught anyway, it was only a matter of time. If New Zealand is anything like the rest of the Anglosphere there are cameras everywhere and they'd know precisely where his car went/is going and would set up roadblocks. If he switched cars they'd probably know that, and if he ducked into cover to switch out of his conspicuous gear they'd know and surround the place. Since Christchurch police are so slow he may have been able to shoot up every mosque in the city, but he'd still be caught.

He would also be a lot more interesting. Knowing who he is and his personality, by his own revelation, preempts the media from distortion or cover-up. His goal wasn't to become a martyr or hero but rather a living meme.

Also, police are always looking out for themselves. Remember Columbia Tech when they just surrounded the school as students were being shot? "Protect and serve" is just a fancy motto.

>>212690
>sit and wait
It's like a deer caught in headlights. People who do not have the propensity or training to overcome fear will assume the fetal position in times of danger. Call it anti-panic if you will.

Also I've heard people cast doubts about the blood, saying that human flesh behaves much more gruesomely when shot. There are four explanations: 1) there are clear bloodstains on many of the victims; 2) blood loss is relatively slow especially if your heart has stopped; 3) many of the victims were clad practically from head to toe so injury is less apparent until blood stains through all layers of clothing; and 4) it's a low-definition GoPro video.

>>212698
Forgive me if I express my skepticism that a secretive Satanic cult would "dogwhistle" (to borrow a term used against us) a shooting they're responsible for by having secret symbols all over the false flag. Is this part of their sacrifice of victims to Satan? Do they get their kicks and jollies from hinting at involvement without getting caught?

>>212696
Nice music!

>>212701
>Why do you think she's there? Where could she possibly have come from?
Those are all completely different than "her sitting and waiting in the beginning of the video for the attacker to come kill her".
Especially since you also said:
>Escaped beings do not sit and wait for someone to come out and shoot them.
Making such highly misleading statements only serves to muddy the waters.
While it is indeed odd that she and that other person appear to have been calmly walking to the gate like that when shots were so recently fired, we do not know where they were or what the acoustic properties of the area are, so it is at least a possibility that they did not think that what they heard were gunshots. Especially since there were cars that could be seen and heard driving past, which means there was other ambient noise to muddle things in addition to any muffling from the walls between them, and we do not know what those particular weapons sound like in person instead of over a phone mic at point blank.
If anyone does know what those particular weapons sound like in person though, and how loud they are, that would be useful info to have.

Sorry for double-posting. Didn't watch the video that talked about the music until just now.
>>212696
About the music, I'd assumed it was playing from his phone, not from the car, and that it was louder in the car since there would be less ambient noise and the enclosed space would let more of the music bounce back instead of dissipating outward like when he was outside.

>>212711
>It's like a deer caught in headlights. People who do not have the propensity or training to overcome fear will assume the fetal position in times of danger. Call it anti-panic if you will.
You are a shill. Do you not understand the difference between being afraid of danger and sitting with your back turned to a gun shoot out? Or do you seriously believe anyone else will buy that bullshit?

>more deflection focusing on the symbol
You kikes always do this. Go ahead, talk all about the fish. It will only be another piece of evidence that the shill barometer is working. This is the kind of pointless argument topic you delight in talking about.
>>212712
>Those are all completely different than "her sitting and waiting in the beginning of the video for the attacker to come kill her".
>While it is indeed odd that she and that other person appear to have been calmly walking to the gate like that when shots were so recently fired, we do not know where they were or what the acoustic properties of the area are.
for someone who just spent a lot of time bitching at me for making a reasonable deduction you have spent a lot of time making blanket assertions yourself.

If you want to know what the sound of a gun is, that depends on the gun in question and the grain of the round, but casual research puts it at 153 db for what I think the round used was. starting at 50' the sound should decrease by 6 db to 100 ft. This is casual research but basically if this table is to be believed they would have to be brain dead not to be afraid. above 140 is enough to cause physical pain if you are too close. at the range they where at, it would have been impossible not to know that something bad was happening

More importantly, this womans shoes where, at the most charitable interpretation, off when she began to run. Why would someone who just walked up to a place to investigate something take their shoes off? why would they have their backs to what they are investigating with their shoes off? The alternative is that they had their shoes on. in which case you are in the precarious position of explaining why someone running from gun fire took both of their shoes off when they where heavily invested in having them on.
>>212713
see >>212701

Also, wow there is like, no deletion delay here at all

>>212716
>shill
I must be a sleeper shill then because I merely act the part of the skeptic.

>sound
Apparently even louder. Now if I wasn't lazy I would use the square/cube law to determine how loud it would be at her position. She would have to be very stupid to not stay put.

Also, the only explanation I have for her position is that she possibly tripped and decided to play dead rather than run. I'm not sure that's likely. I was going to say something about the shoes if they were high heels but you're right, there's no reason to take off running shoes.

It's necessary to look at the two hypotheses critically. If it were filmed and directed, what would be the rationale of having the woman just lie there? Why the shoes? Wouldn't it make more sense to have her cower more dramatically like in the mosque?

There's a lot off and it's hard to piece together the truth due to irregularities of human behavior.

Oh no, not you too /mlpol/. Stop no one should be this retarded. Yes we are shill free, but out of all the things to throw a tinfoil hat on the shitposter isn't one of them. The common red flags for an op are:
>helps in a grand strategy
>benefits elite interests
>a ton of coincidences converge
>way too many unanswered questions

Lets consider something its right to be skeptical on and then this event. 9/11 is the perfect one to call into question. Why? Because it helps in US grand strategy by changing the dialogue into anti-middle eastern terrorism. Seems perfect to get us into Iraq and Iran. This also benefits global elite interests. As in the global elite could use the opportunities opened up and generally disliked both regimes due to their non-compliance with the world economic order. Next too many coincidences, be it lucky Larry taking out insurance and keeping his family away from the towers, or the fact that the Pentagon was hit during an investigation on a bunch of missing money. But this could have all been put to rest if the government helped clear up a lot of the fuzzy parts with an investigation. Too bad they didn't which is why 9/11 is suspicious to this day.

Now lets consider this event. Helps in grand strategy? I guess you could make the point to say that it takes away shit in New Zealand and further vilifies nationalist movements. Problem is that it happened in new Zealand. Why not make it happen in the UK? Germany? The US? Surely any of those places would be more effective? But nope NZ, a small less then significant Island. A dumb move by our strategists, whoever they may be. But on top of this, who specifically does this benefit? Like long run? Elites? No not really, its just as likely to harm then it is help. It may scare away immigrants by them seeing that this in fact may happen, and that western states are becoming more unstable and hostile towards minorities. Surely this isn't the best move for them to have made if their goal was just to vilify whites? Why did they have him be so effective? Why not have it be an attack against Jews, where they could continue to maintain their narrative to an even greater degree? Again this doesn't add up right if its an op. But not only that, its got almost no coincidences that calls up the classic tinfoil. Low amounts of blood? Can be explained with a cheap go-pro. Visited Israel? He said he didn't want them in his country but didn't go full 1488. On top of that the story was just way too convenient and his style way too much like your average cunt that comes to the chans. Nerd who goes fascist from how fucked the world is. Sounds like a story not unlike my own. Tho I'm more of a reactionary. But this leads us to the last point. Which is that there are few to no unanswered questions. He had a shitpost manifest that answered most of it. He live streamed the attack which made clear what happened. There aren't any real questions that don't have any easy answer.

So take your tinfoils off /mlpol/, this out of all events isn't one where you should be spending autism on. If anything we need to have a strategy against so many different things, like whether to go accelerationist or if thats in fact a bad idea. Tarring our narrative to peaces shows that the right isn't unified at this point which worries me the most.

>>212716
>You are a shill
Leave this fucking website.

>>212666
Damn the devil speaks.

I guess New Zealand just aren't cowboys. Here in the USA stamped on the side of every police vehicle is "To Protect and Serve." but even today, more than half the force are whimps. Why? The only thing I can say is because of the chilling effects the left have pushed. Where 80% of all crimes are commited by blacks and mostly whites make up the police force. Every other day it is a race riot. Still, US response is 5 minutes on average to an active shooter. Most shootings end in about 3 minutes on average which still, by any measure that you state, leaves people vulnerable. You make fair points but truely, it still doesn't account for a hour response. Why so slow?

>>212718
>square cube law
Already did the math for you, it uncubes at 50'-100' 6 db down. so you do it again, and again. she would have to be stupid to stay, not stupid to remain you fag
>what is the rational of having a woman just lie there
People who say the shooting is fake rationalize it with her setting up her make up. She could be on that curb to make her survive being "ran over" I guess. It could also be that it wasn't even a real body. Or it could be that she is really dying and didn't expect to actually get shot. Either way, it doesn't make any sense, and the players involved are up to their usual tricks,
>1 gunman, overhyped, no interest or call for the others, just the face, pay attention to the face, who cares who the other shooters are, mossad what mossad? other false flaggers congregating in christchurch? who cares. You cant hate both muslims and israel, you have to pick one goy!

If you want direction I can say that it seems like an easy opportunity to have her run infront of the car to be run over mercilessly. that is just speculation though. All I know is that you don't need to take your shoes off to run from a gunman, you definitely don't turn your back to loud noises and sit and wait for them to get closer.

Over all I honestly believe this is a distraction. No one is talking about the other things that are happening concurrently, and it seems like new shit is started all the time to keep us talking about tarrent, and only tarrent. He wasnt even the only guy

>>212711
Even with all the cameras in America, there are still cold cases and mistaken identity where innocent are jailed just for remotely resembling a person. Yeah it makes it harder to evade, but not impossible when there is constant surveillance. During an attack, there are a few city traffic cams but that is mostly at intersections and if the assailant takes another route, out of there then all you capture is perhaps a suspicious vehicle.

Business cameras may capture something, even an atm camera but that is not going to help on locating a person when by the time the police gets a warrant, the perpetrator has left the scene, if he was completely covered, you might only get a few details.

What captures criminals is response time and mistakes on the criminals behalf. Like if you were a cop, heard some guy hit and run another vehicle and you were responding only to see a car driving erratically really fast away from where you were going with the front end missing, well then I guess that is your guy.

When the police caught up here to the shooter, he already shot out his windshield and side window. He was weaving in and out of traffic as well, good guess, that be the guy.

>Low Res Camera
Also bullet casings are there on the ground. They do tend to "disapear" and I have saved the original stream from the facebook. However on closer inspection the casings do sorta "reapear" when he moves and the camera renders it as little golden specs. When he bends over to turn the other direction the casings become more noticeable so it is definatly the low resolution of the camera. Not to mention the horrible frame rate.

Other interesting facts about blood, wounds, missing smoke, and a window shattering inwards.
>Raw NZ Mosque Massacre Video
https://www.bitchute.com/video/mdqwxEUkyouU/

>>212649
>Can you explain how this will bring us good PR?
It depends who is the receptor of the message.
For normies under the spell of the (((System))) not amount of "good PR" will be ever enough, because we are dangerous evil monsters. However, there is a way to engage them when they recognize their "privilege" and "livehood" is at risk; then, they are a little more receptive and abandon their initial hostility, kinda they are pure lemmings and reasoning doesn't work with them, only self convenience.
For self reflective individuals, Tarrants' incident is gold, he reinforced the White narrative, brought the White message to the front, and stressed the fracture lines between the establishment and The People in Western societies.

>>212629
There is no way in hell it was a false flag, that being said. if i am presented with conclusive evidence that it was, i will accept it.

>>212716
>shill shill shilly shill shill REEEEEE-
stOP.
Read the OP. Just fucking quit. Let investigation happen instead of derelling,

>>212748
For the blood, we do actually see a fair amount, especially since the bodies are all lying down on carpet on top of where they'd bleed, and most of them are piled together.
Where we see the most obvious blood is on the tiles at the entrance, where blood wouldn't soak into the carpet.

>>212798
too many images for one post.

>>212686
The name "Coco Pommel" is a horse pun version of the name "Coco Channel," a "Pommel" being the raised front part of a saddle, and Coco Channel being a fashion designer. I believe they had to stop using the name because of legal action by the Channel family

>>212690
>There are bad people in Christchurch
Hence why there was a mosque to be shot up

>Waiting outside
If there was someone she cared about inside, like a father or lover or friend, then yes, she would conceivably wait not far outside with the hopes that the shooter would leave the way he came, and she could go in and check his/her safety. Not everyone just runs from danger.

>It cannot be argued that these groups are not involved without casting doubt on all previous false flags
Why. It's entirely possible for some shooting to be false flags and others to be real. This one could be real, others fake, and vice versa. It's also possible that a great many events you dismiss as false flags are actually real.

>>212701
>Why do you think she's there?
She was at the mosque probably to pray, she waited around outside because she feared for the safety of someone inside and she wanted to help them as soon as the danger was gone. She probably wasn't expecting him to come out through the back door after entering through the front

>>212698
Thank you. Only the relationship with the special effecs studio is not clear to me.

>>212701
An american with a gopro and a rifle could make a video to compare against.

>>212698
I wish you would organize your thoughts instead of just posting everything at once that has little to nothing to do with eachother.

Per the woman and Crisis Actors / Fake staging
>Gisela P - An Actor based in Wellington NZ.
>Upon discovering YT link below, she set her profile to private
http://archive.is/qpB4O

>RNZ public broadcast service with Crisis Actor - Disabled comments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mYqLE94i58

This is one point towards strongly in the "It's a False Flag" because they would not need a crisis actor if it wasn't one to push as much media attention for their narrative as possible, and they confirmed they're the same person by setting their profile to private after being caught red handed.

I updated the picture with links. Unfortunately nobody archived her page before bringing it to everyone's attention so the picture is all we have.

>>212858
What is the woman’s relation to the shooting?

>>212859
Believe that she's just a bogus witness, this is a common tactic in false-flags the state uses. Her acting and English sucks too but that's a moot point.

She wasnt involved in any way with the actual attack like being a survivor or anything. But it's clear that she was a crisis actor they had ready to go right after to be interviewed on hand. I'm sure there's more because they don't ever just use one.

>>212860
How do we know that’s actually the same girl and not done other one that looks similar? The web page says the woman lives in Wellington, which is on an entirely different landmass than Christ church. Also, the credit for crisis response is 7 years old and in a year that she had at least 5 acting credits. I’m sure a lot of fire departments and emergency services would love to hire actors to play injured persons, and that a lot of actors would love to have another job. Absent a long resume of consistently acting in crisis situations I’m not seeing why a single seven year old credit doing something g she’s not doing in the video - an injured victim - makes her a trained “crisis actor”

Here's the interview, the details she says are totally unimportant the only thing that matters is she's a fake witness for hire in NZ. I'm not a video editor but if someone who is could add the info that she was a crisis actor with her starnow page before and after then it would be good to spread around

>>212862
Because she's trying to burn the evidence which is extremely common in leftist behavior when they're caught and cover their tracks. Why would she set her profile to private only after it was discovered she was an actor in the video? Use common sense, they are always paranoid and scramble when a light is shown on them.

>>212863
The only thing this woman has to contribute is "I saw a car getting rammed by a police car," not really an integral part. Again, do we have confirmation it's the same woman?

>Why would she set it to private
Probably because she doesn't want /pol/ harassing her

>>212865
Are you new? What crisis actors and false witnesses say are never important other than the fact they can't keep a consistent story and key facts and details change depending whos asked. There's more false witnesses around the NZ shooting like an old guy who stared Brenton in the face, when anyone who watches the video can see didn't happen (which they're censoring and punishing for doing so). So the only narrative they're allowing to exist are the ones who push it from the state governments.

Again use common sense, it's far more likely that it's the same woman, who has the same credentials, who lives in the same area than just some look alike.

>>212871
She doesn’t live in the same area, she lives in Wellington New Zealand which is on a separate landmass. If you want to claim this is a false witness, then prove it. Ad hominems are not arguments

>>212876
You are using incredibly weak defense and purposefully didn't read what I typed when I fist posted the video.

It takes less than an hour and around 60 bucks to get from her area to Christchurch which is absolutely trivial.

>>212879
>aircraft
>50min
cmon man, I am on your side but this is ridiculous. Just use the actual legitimate connection. Crisis actors from previous false flags were seen at the same special effects studio in wellington as this lady.

>>212879
What exactly is the story you are going with here?

Are you saying that there never was a police car ramming the vehicle so the staggers used her as an extra? Are you saying that the news company hired her? If there was never a car chase, then how are the stagers so sure there wouldn't be any witnesses to confirm that there was no chase in that area at that time? Wouldn't it be cheaper just to have an actual car chase?

The totality of evidence that she is a "crisis" actor is that she had a single credit seven years ago for pretending to be injured for emergency response services training, which isn't even the role she is allegedly playing here. What is the proof that it is the same woman aside from dark-haired dark-skinned woman with a long face?

>>212880
>Other false flags used same studio
Citation needed

>>212879
>>212880
If the claim you two are going for is that this whole attack was staged in such a way that no one died and no one was injured, then the absence of any actual victims would be a gaping hole in the record. If, on the other hand, it were proven that there were actual victims, that would be QED that the attack wasn't staged, or if it was staged, that it was an actual mass killing

Here is the list of all of the alleged victims. This is one hell of a lot of detail for a studio production, I will say that right now
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213358
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>>212883
>>212885
why is it a constant shill tactic to divert attention away from the actual topic and do nothing but strawman? Do you have something of substance to present or do you just want to larp likeI haven't addressed both of these things half the thread ago?

>>212903
Mossad Nigel, why is it your constant tactic of just calling anyone and everyone who disagrees with you a "shill" rather than putting forth an argument?

The claim about Tarrant is that an Australian guy on 8chan /pol/ though that racial holy war needed a shove, so he got a shotgun, a rifle, and a go pro and shot up a mosque. The counterclaim you are proposing here is that that did not happen, and what we seen in the livestream, the newsreports, the manifesto, and the 8chan post is some other belligerent that is hostile to Tarrant's self-alleged goals who staged a false attack to try to prevent these goals from coming to fruition.

If you are going to claim that, you need good evidence and a solid account of what "actually" happened. So I am asking you. Was Tarrant a plant but everything else - the shooting, the arrest, and all of that - something that actually happened? Was everything - everything - staged in a film studio? Did anyone die? Was tarrant who he claims to be but other actors were present?

What are you claiming happened? Because whatever alternative you are proposing needs to make more sense and be a better fit with the evidence than "Aussie shitposter gives race war a shove"

>>212906
>Mossad Nigel
You can shill this all you want, you have the wrong person
If you want to know what people in this thread are actually talking about, you are also welcome to read the thread in full instead of trying to change the topic entirely to something no one has claimed with nothing but your own chutzpah.

>>212907
You used the exact same reaction pic in the other thread

>>212908
I'll be honest a lot of my folder is just dykeshit so I am very selective about what I post

>>212885
>If the claim you two are going for is that this whole attack was staged in such a way that no one died and no one was injured
This was addressed in the very OP and you're twisting my words around to be completely different. You are sure acting like a shill, even if you are just dense.

>Note: Before we begin, I want to address this since there's a constant trend around posts, (whether legit or not) promoting the idea that it's all fake. IF there are commonly used crisis actors and/or fake gore involved then it can be a tell-tale sign of it being a false-flag but it's not a requirement so don't get too caught up in it just repeating the same thing over and over. People do not have to survive for it to qualify as a false-flag, it's just one of the more common the modern MSM and governments use. Manipulating the public with deaths and destruction fake or otherwise has been a consistent trick by enemy forces, for millennia.

>>212771
I saved both parts of that speech. I completely agree with this Murros man. Such gems as the following are absolutely fucking savage:
>In the end, blood is reunited with blood, and we will witness the birth of a nation.
>This war will erase our troubled past, and give us the future. We absolutely, and categorically, need this war. We need one more war, a war of all wars. One magnificent, glorious, noble, mesmerizing, enticing, breathtaking war. We must never be ashamed to admit that the resurrection of Europe required the biggest war that we've ever seen.
>The liberals keep warning people about us and our plans. The liberals are like old babbling women who tell horror stories of what will happen if nationalists take over one day. And of course the liberals are right: once we are unleashed, we will open the gates of hell [...] There is nothing more frightening in this world than the bloodlust of a nation that has suffered injustice.

>>212917
(You) said in the OP "people don't have to survive if it's a false flag." I am addressing the claim specifically that it was made in a studio and that witnesses are actors, which would imply that nothing happened at all. I will ask yet again - what is the story you are going with on this one? Was a mosque shot up or were we seeing an action movie?

>>212922
You're twisting the words around again. Crisis actors do not have to be involved in the attack itself to be used, so how new are you? Fake witness stories were used during 9/11 and I'm pretty sure we all know that the buildings were destroyed with thousands of deaths, for the US gov to send Americans to war over oil under the "war on terror".

"The everything is staged" is what one anon is saying but that's far from the only angle. The more concrete evidence we have of one way or the other is for the better. Like this other witness story that doesnt line up with facts for anyone who watched the video.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/03/face-to-face-with-a-killer-one-man-s-close-call-with-christchurch-shooter.html

>>212922
>I am addressing specifically the claim
feel free to quote the exact post claiming such a thing

>>212924
I'm just asking what you think actually happened. Do you believe mosque goers were shot?

>>212925
What else is the purpose of the discussion of fake blood, doctored videos, studios, and victims who behave strangely, but that it was all an act?

>>212926
you asserted that someone was making that claim, please show us the post where they made such a claim instead of dodging the question.

>>212927
It's the claim implicit in all of the discussion of fake blood, doctored videos, studios, and victims who behave strangely. That is, that the video is fake

>>212928
>its the claim implicit in examining evidence that exists
So you admit that you are doing nothing but interpreting someone else's post in a way convenient for you IE strawmanning.

You are welcome to read the content of the thread if you wish to address something people are actually talking about as I already suggested. Or you can keep complaining and shilling, your call.

>>212934
Okay, so then what is the purpose of the discussion of the film being doctored, a studio, etc, if it is not to prove that the events of the livestream did not take place?

>>212926
>>212928
I don't believe they're above using real life massacres as they've done many times in the past. From what I've seen the notion Chch was staged-cgi or hollyjew like the white helmets 'gas attacks' has been fairly weak and just wasting time and effort talking in circles. But doesn't defeat the argument that it's still possible it's a false flag with a similar goal of 9/11 to stoke anger for war and push more invasive police state surveillance. Both things we're already seeing, more muslims are planning revenge and the NZ gov wants the world to police state the free internet.

>>212935
You are welcome to read the thread as we have answered this question many times anon.

>>212937
Then what is the harm in stating it again? I'm sure you've spent more keystrokes already saying "it's been said" then it would take to articulate the story clearly in a post

>>212936
I'll be satisfied with that

>>212939
We have typed it out many times, If you are having trouble navigating a simple thread please lurk more.

>>212947
I'm guessing you don't have any sort of coherent story as to how a false flag was perpetrated?

>>212948
Do you have anything productive to contribute? I don't think its unreasonable to label you a shill at this point if you have nothing better to do than strawman, make assurances that you are fine, then double back on them. You have had your questions answered. If you are concerned about the evidence being examined by people not as well versed in every false flag, you are welcome to contribute something to it of value instead of assert that the very act of investigating something is an implicit outrageous claim.

>>212956
And I don't think it's unreasonable to label you a dumb ass. Neither in this thread nor any other have I seen any explanation of the way in which a false flag was perpetrated. The story of what happened is, ultimately, what must be produced and considered. And I haven't seen one here aside from "It definitely wasn't an Aussie shitposter"
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>>212960
you can draw attention away from your own mistakes all you like. I've already owned up to errors in this thread, it's not going to magically make your old posts disappear, though you are welcome to delete them since this thread is for examining said evidence and not for being a giant fag while anons are doing discovery.

>>212961
I've read the old posts, and I don't see an account of [b]what happened on that day in Christ Church[b]?

>>212960
I admit to not caring enough to get involved in the full detailed investigation thusfar, but the most conclusive evidence of any kind of falseflag that I can see is "these pixelated bits aren't easy to see in every single frame of this stream known for its connection issues in-the-moment" or "a somewhat similar looking person was seen on his knees and cuffed in a picture." All circumstantial, none showing ill intent or motive or any kind of insight on the "how" of false-flagging.

I have yet to see a smoking gun other than that video of what seem to be crisis actors wrapping things up, which I can't confirm or deny because I don't have the know-how to give it a deconstruction or confirm its validity. Without side-by-sides and a true timeline of events, I'm afraid I'm remaining skeptical and calling out 28555's shit for calling everyone a shill for merely not agreeing entirely with him.

>>212964
Okay toddler, since you are absolutely desperate to be spoon fed, if you want to know the answer to something, try asking a question such as "does anyone have any theories for what happened?" Instead of "it all took place in a studio!?, you guys are idiots, go to sleep" when someone does nothing more than provide evidence that a false flagging group in florida was recorded in NZ christchurch and reportedly met with production studios in NZ.

You can see how one would be more likely to drag the level of conversation down and get you branded a shill, while the other invites intrinsically the other party to provide something. If you've been paying attention, and you haven't, you know what I already said on my ability to come to hard conclusions. This is the part where you ask your question and employ some fucking patience instead of heaps of salt.

>>212966
There are several dozen different ways this could be a false flag, ranging from "every single thing you see is fake" to "only the shooter's motives are fake," with the latter obviously being the most plausible, because that is the easiest to pull off and the least likely to go wrong for the perpetrator.

I don't personally believe that Tarrant was anything other than what he claimed because of a few things. First, he understood memes. Second, he had a sense of humor in the video. Thirdly, the manifesto was extremely articulate and reasonable. I think that these are significant because people not on the right don't have a sense of humor, don't understand memes, and sure as hell cannot articulate white nationalist philosophy. I believe that if this were a false flag, there would be no humor, no memes, and the shooter would say something stupid like "this is MAGA country" or something else they obviously wouldn't say.

I will admit that it's a bit sketchy to have 4 alleged perpetrators of which we only see one, but at this point I think that that was just the NZ police getting confused in the fog of war and falsely thinking armed mosque attendees were attackers. I think Tarrant acted alone

>>212969
Then what is your theory of what happened?

>>212970
>It's a bit sketchy to have four alleged perps
I honestly don't know why it would be sketchy. I mean, does NZ not have a police lineup deal of arresting people who may fit the accused's profile and investigating each one?

>>212973
I mean, if 4 people had actually taken part in the shootings, because that would be 3 people we don't know anything about, and who seem superfluous to Tarrant's plot. Having said that, I think the police was just confused or over cautious and arrested people who had nothing to do with it

>>212966
>that video of what seem to be crisis actors wrapping things up, which I can't confirm or deny because I don't have the know-how to give it a deconstruction or confirm its validity.
This video? >>212653
That quality is atrocious and stuttery as hell but I believe the ones in the video are supposed to be the survivors not the ones dead. There was 3 different attack locations 2 mosques and one hospital, we only saw footage from one mosque so it's inconclusive. They could be shooting from the 2nd mosque or the hospital

Finding a smoking gun is going to be much more difficult in multiple locations spread out, there was also the fact there was car bombs found and 4 others arrested that we will never hear about again. Obviously Terrant wasnt working alone, but that's what the media first went with and they won't release any info about the others which is suspsicious.

>According to news reports, it took 15 to 20 minutes for the police to arrive at the scene of the first mosque attacked, even though they were only 1 mile away.

>Christchurch shootings: Attacker was 'lone gunman'
>http://archive.li/lTw8k

>2 different mosques and 1 hospital
>http://archive.is/vLDwt

>New Zealand, Australia or Israel; Where Is the Fifth Suspect of Christchurch Shootings?
>http://archive.fo/6EIuW

Three people are in custody and multiple car bombs have been disarmed after the shooting at two mosques in Christchurch today.
http://archive.is/TJd0r

Several guns have been recovered from both mosques. Two explosive devices were found on two vehicles at the scene
https://archive.fo/YnPyd#selection-4613.0-4615.86

A Christchurch man says he will seek compensation for wrongful arrest for wearing camouflage clothing yesterday while police were dealing with the mosques massacre.
https://www.news.com.au/world/pacific/camouflage-wearer-claims-wrongful-arrest-over-christchurch-mosque-shootings/news-story/713f078527783e199f6d0ad5d74ab490

>>212971
> If you've been paying attention, and you haven't, you know what I already said on my ability to come to hard conclusions.
>Then what is your theory of what happened?
Shills just love making fools of themselves I guess. You never learn and never miss an opportunity to lie.

>>212976
>Obviously Terrant wasnt working alone
Is it obvious? Because it looks like the police arrested armed muslims at the mosques.

It looks like Tarrant planted bombs on some cars, then went in the first mosque, then left and drove to the other mosque

>>212980
>It looks like Tarrant planted bombs on some cars, then went in the first mosque, then left and drove to the other mosque
Why are you back to your mental gymnastics to avoid something self evident?

>He planted bombs
Did you watch the video? He drove to the mosque and shot it up and drove away, when is he going to have time to plant car bombs here when he didnt even have time to burn the mosque down with gasoline like he intended? It's a fact that it was reported at least 4 others were arrested, this isnt up for debate.

>>212982
Of course several others were arrested, but that doesn't mean they were attackers. As for bombs, then perhaps he planted them at the second mosque after video cut off

>>212985
If an attacker 'defects to' that means surrendering. The 5th suspect defected to Israel.

Plus we already know there was more than one shooter as a solid fact. The lone-wolf hero meme was shut down in the first day, it was just swallowed up by "acceleration" posting

Here's the story on what happened to the other three arrested

>One woman and two other men were also arrested and held in custody in relation to the attacks.
>The woman has been released without charge. The man who was in a vehicle with the woman has been charged with firearms offences and will appear in the Christchurch District Court on Monday.
>An 18-year-old man, who was not connected to the couple, will also appear in Christchurch District Court on Monday for possessing a firearm.
>Police say they do not believe either men were involved in the attacks.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213473

And they claim that Tarrant was stopped on his way to a third shooting location when the police rammed his vehicle
https://www.upi.com/Police-Christchurch-shooting-suspect-was-arrested-on-way-to-third-location/3011553057047/

>>212986
>>212986
We know that a man at the second mosque picked up one of Tarrant's guns and chased him with it. It would also be hardly surprising if there were armed police

https://apnews.com/ccf69233a36446c2b6c9e92f3e6cf417

>>212995
>Armed police
the people in that gif are wearing casual clothes. One is in shorts, nothing about them look like police to me. And it doesnt change the fact there was 5 suspects arrested.

>Muzzie picked up one of Tarrant
That sounds like more bullshit MSM fake witness stories to me. They're already trying to spin the muslims are heroes and peaceful in more way than one and trying to bury the fact the mosque had terrorism connections.

>>212998
Sure, they are definitely trying to hide that the mosque had terrorism connections, but that doesn't mean that there were not Muslims with guns there, whether they got them from Tarrant or if they keep shotguns around the mosque.

As for the video, this looks like an instagram clip of a different phone playing an instagram clip. It's the most convoluted way of getting the clip across, so forgive me if I find its authenticity questionable in the absence of any kind of context or... well, anything, as to exactly where the video was taken or so forth
https://d.tube/#!/v/phusionphil/hzbtsj11

>>212999
Yeah it's shit footage, just confirmation of what's already known: that BT wasnt a lone wolf actor.

>>213005
Do we have any other serious evidence that he wasn't?

>>213006
You mean besides the obvious fact the press said multiple suspects and contradicting omnipresent BS from fake witnesses which take longer to drive to the next location than the attacks happened? One of the witnesses stated there was someone shooting muslims on the street before BT even did the attack down the road which is impossible because he had to drive there first.

How about how the manifesto was mailed to dozens of NZ police and politicians minutes before the attack happened, while he was driving there.

>New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s office says it was among dozens to receive a copy of
the alleged Christchurch mosque shooter’s "manifesto" minutes before an attack that killed 50 people.

>A spokesman from Ms Ardern’s office confirmed the document was sent to a generic address not checked by Ms Ardern herself, as part of a bulk email that also went a number of senior New Zealand political figures and large number of domestic and international media groups.
>The message, received less than 10 minutes before the attack on Friday, did not set out what was about to happen, he said. "There was no opportunity to stop it."

http://archive.is/Fggxr

>>213011
Well, it doesn't really take that log to click "send" on a phone or laptop, so sure, he could have clicked send, then left to start the attack. Yes, I know the first day the police thought there were multiple shooters, but it appears since then that was mistaken. If the confused witness statements are real, that wouldn't be surprising, because early witness statements are often confused in any major event. For example, the sinking of the titanic, where a large number of witnesses said the ship broke up above water, and a large number saying it went down in one piece

>>213011
NZ government is looking even more inept and making Tarrant to be a teleporting, time-traveling, terminator.
>>213017
Very true.

>>213017
No? it was only the first day the police thought there was one shooter, you have that completely backwards. The news of a lone-wolf is nowhere to be found anymore, its 5 minimum. The thing is that they won't tell anyone who the others are and quietly brush their arrests under the rug.

Brenton's social media was also botted and had no activity for months until the attack.

>>213022
Well, he seems to have been most active on 8chan, and in my experience with 8chan, they aren't fans at all of twitter or facebook. It really looks to me like he used them exclusively to spread news of the attack, probably facebook for its livestreaming service, and twitter just as a "if you want to take down 8chan for this you have to take down twitter too" sort of statement.

All of the articles from the day of the event say that there were 4 arrested - Tarrant, a woman, and two men. A couple days later it says that the other three were released, one with unrelated gun charges pressed.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213473

The claim that there was a firth suspect who fled to Israel seems to come from a website called "The Intellectual Observer"
https://intellectualobserver.com/the-fifth-suspect-of-christchurch-shootings-has-defected-to-israel/
The article has no citations of any kind, no names of any party involved, does not link to any statement by authorities, and provides no detail at all besides "defected." Without a link to the NZ police or at least a name or statement of how this guy supposedly defected, I'm going to have to call this fake news

>>213031
The point isnt that he used soc media to spread the attack. the point is that the way he did it was botted with seconds apart per post.

FB https://archive.fo/9UScB
TW https://archive.is/aC2FQ

>>213040
So the mad lad was also a script kiddie?

The posts do range from 30 seconds to 2 minutes apart, so it sort of looks like he had a long list of articles he wanted to post, which he posted in rapid succession using the create post feature. There is a minute of 8 separate posted articles (12:24), but that is after a halt of 16 minutes. I don't think that is impossible manually with facebook

>>212629

well made thread, shoutout to OP for effort posting

>>212991
I doubt its fake, given the lack of information, but it certainly is something we need more details to see how it plays a part. the three other suspects are named non actors, while the article suggests it is implausible for one actor to shoot up two mosques of the distance apart from one another, and we don't seem to have any footage of it like the first one. That leaves one shot up mosque without anyone to account for it in theory, rather than complain that the article lacks a source, we have information right here that can help validate or invalidate. how long would this person take to get to the second event? when was he apprehended? This article is already falsifiable.

>>213044
Being a script kiddie is a possibility, but it cant be ignored that it's similar to how previous false-flag sock accounts were set up on social media with months of nothing before and then sudden activity.

Moving on, Accelerationism was mostly a non-thing talked about on 8chan until the attack, only once in a while but not much support behind it, even when Trump was failing the white race with cucking out.

"This issue has confused the shit out of me as to why 8chan was picked out of the hat by this guy as accelerationism is not something ever discussed here other than in passing here and there. So I looked into it and narrowed down all posts containing it more than three times within the past month and found this https://archive.fo/FF6XP

Focus ID: 00278b - That user fits profile based on manifesto.
Focus post: ">Imagine the outrage if this was pro-White - Yeah. One day soon it will be tho."
1) He would speak through code
2) He would make hints at potential "incoming" or something to that extent. So I narrowed from there to use every possible word that would match up."

>>213244
I definitely remember accelerationism being discussed quite extensively on this board after the Bowers incident, and it was the basic rational behind the Yang meme, which was popular shortly before the shooting. It’s not like it was an extremely rare position. As for the social media posts, I still don’t see what the big deal is. Yes, this guy definitely created his social media accounts specifically because he wanted people to read what he posted on them after the attack. But that’s not surprising, because Facebook and twitter are not popular with 8chan users, so this guy didn’t have either until he thought that he could use both to spread information. He compiled a list of articles and a few memes that he wanted people to see after he did the attack, so he posted links in a word document, then posted those to twitter, and Facebook the next day. You really don’t need a bot to post articles on Facebook rapidly. All you need to do is to copy a link, past it to the “create post” that appears at the top of your feed, and then click post. It’s not any more difficult to make 8 posts on Facebook in Facebook be minute than it is to make 8 posts on a Chan that doesn’t use captcha. Hell, you can even open 8 create posts on 8 tabs, then click post in rapid succession if you wanted to. And he only posted 8 times in one minute once, most posts were every 30 seconds.

Why would a person doing a false flag pick a fringe ideology within the board, if accerationism were fringe on 8chan st the time? Wouldn’t they want to use the most common?

The poster in the archive may well be Tarrant, since he was doubtlessly active on 8chan prior to the shooting

>>213186
The shooting at the second mosque started 7 minutes after the end of the shootings at the first mosque. The second mosque is about 3 miles away from the first. You’d have to drive about 26 miles per hour to make that distance in that time, which isn’t that difficult in most urban settings.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thisisinsider.com/christchurch-shooting-timeline-49-killed-new-zealand-mosques-2019-3

>>213250
I guess that also we should take a look at the direction the person drove to and was apprehended at as well. cross all Ts

>>213246
Brenton using memes isnt really a free-pass when the UN and other alphabets did actual focus studies on 8chan posts so it's possible that it's only mimicry.

>Why pick a fringe ideology within the board
I dont know about 4chan shitposting since it seems more appropriate for there (this goes for yanggang shit too) but Acceleration was never very popular on 8chan until now. The dominant ideologys was libertarian and natsoc from the beginning and over the years everyone just went further far right. It can be that natsoc wasnt picked because it names the primary target as the jews so the muslims wouldnt react in rage against whites (or maybe they still would because they're subhuman). Focusing on births and population draws a direct enemy to muslims vs whites, instead of who's behind the cause of both. You won't find jews being in competition with out breeding and murdering whites (openly anyways, all the wars for israel are just a way for them to widdle away the white population too). One of the protocols of zion is to pit whites against muslims to get the heat off israel and thats exactly the entire reaction with christchurch.

>>213252
The police claim
He was apprehended “21 minutes after the police were alerted” while he was on route to a third location. They claim he mentioned a third mosque in the city of Ashburton 50 miles to the south of Christchurch.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/new-zealand-mosque-shooter-was-en-route-to-third-target-police-say-11553047115

The police say he was apprehended about 2.5 miles from the Linwood mosque in Brougham Street when a police cruiser rammed his vehicle. From the maps, Brougham seems to be the name of the roadway 76 on the map, which is the major thoroughfare that ultimately connects to highway 1. If you wanted to get to Ashburton from Linwood, going south to 76, then merging onto 1 looks like a standard way of doing it, if very risky while police are following you. An above linked article claims that the location he was apprehended at was about a 6 minute drive from the mosque.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/03/17/world/asia/new-zealand-shootings-police-response.amp.html
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/111328483/video-captures-moment-police-arrested-shooting-suspected

>>213250
The route taken by the perp puts him at 4.3 miles or about 7km away. pushing an estimated 12 minutes from jewgle, With speeding its barely possible, but it is not a straight shot.

>>213262
>>213262
A speed of 40 miles per hour then. Most of the route between the two mosques is on video before the livestream cuts off.

>>213266
>>213262
Forgot to make room for the second pic
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-47582183

>>213268
>>213268
What about the car bombs? No one said anything about car bombs in recent posts, so I didn’t attach any articles. But since you mention it now, here you go:

>[Police Commissioner Mike] Bush said police had found two improvised explosive devices in one car, a clarification from an earlier statement that there were devices in multiple vehicles. He said they had disabled one and were in the process of disabling the second.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nola.com/news/2019/03/new-zealand-mosque-shootings-4-in-custody-bombs-defused-after-2-deadly-rampages.html%3foutputType=amp

>>213269
the map doesnt show anything about the car bombs or where they were found. it's conveniently absent from the story and it's ridiculous to think he had any time to plant them when he was speeding from mosque to mosque before the cops catch him.

>At least 49 people are dead and dozens are injured after a gunman opened fire on two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, on Friday morning. It appears to be a carefully planned racist attack. Police say they also found two explosive devices attached to a vehicle they stopped.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/new-zealand-mosque-massacre-what-we-know.html

That means they werent just sitting around.

He had zero time before going into the mosque to plant the bombs and zero time after the stream to plant the bombs. He posted on 8chan then live streamed driving to the mosque shot it up and drove away. Plus all the shit he posted on twitter and facebook, and mass emailing the manifesto. Where is he going to get the time to plant the bombs?

>>213270
The police chief talks about the location of the bombs in the first press conference. At the end of the video he says
“I can tell you that there were a number of IEDs on vehicles we also stopped.” This means that the two IEDs found on a car were both found on Tarrant’s car. He never placed them on s different vehicle
https://youtu.be/PHHGbzOU_MU

>>213271
See >>213272
According to the Police Chief, the bombs were found on “a vehicle we stopped” - Tarrant’s car. He didn’t plant them
https://youtu.be/PHHGbzOU_MU

>>213271
The twitter posts were made on March 12, two days before the shooting, and the Facebook posts on March 13, one day before the shooting, if you check the archives in posts earlier in this thread

>>213272
>I can tell you that there were a number of IEDs on vehicles we also stopped.” This means that the two IEDs found on a car were both found on Tarrant’s car.
completely contradictory statements. >"IEDs attached to "vehicles" (plural)
>both found tarrant's "car" (singular)

>>213275
Yes, that’s why I attached the article in >>213269. If you didn’t read that post, the article says
>[Police Commissioner Mike] Bush said police had found two improvised explosive devices in one car, a clarification from an earlier statement that there were devices in multiple vehicles. He said they had disabled one and were in the process of disabling the second.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nola.com/news/2019/03/new-zealand-mosque-shootings-4-in-custody-bombs-defused-after-2-deadly-rampages.html%3foutputType=amp

>>213277
nothing in either source has said it was terrant's car though, thats speculation on your end.

>>213278
Sure, but it’s the most natural interpretation of “vehicle we stopped.” If police stopped a vehicle that means the vehicle was in motion, strongly implying the bombs were not attached to vehicles in parking lots at either mosque, as those would be stationary and not stopped by police.

>>213279
>Most natural interpretation
the bomb was on just "a car" not "the shooters car". And it would be idiotic for him to arm something he's driving. Is he going to detonate the car allasnack bar style in the 3rd mosque? That goes against his manifesto that he would be broken out and given a nobel prize if he's a suicide bomber.

>>213271
>Where is he going to get the time to plant the bombs?
Presumably when he packed his car before he started streaming.

Fullchan is talking to the Feds.

>>213283
nothing new there, they even warn not to bareback an imageboard on the front page just for this reason they have to comply to feds asking for posting data or get shut down. At least proxies and tor arent banned there unlike 4cuck.

>>213281
The police stream was from the first day when a Tarrant was a primary suspect, but not assumed to be the shooter or only shooter. Of course they didn’t say the bombs “were found on the shooter’s car” because that would be making assumptions that law enforcement are not allowed to publically make so early into an investigation. There is no reason that the car involved couldn’t be Tarrant’s car.

>idiotic to arm something he’s driving
He drove to the mosque. He necessarily would have had to have placed the bombs in his car just to transport them to the scene of the shootings. There is no reason to believe that his car was “armed” with bombs. Rather, it looks like these were unused weapons.

>What was he going to do with the bombs
Who knows, he didn’t make it to his third target. My guess is that he was going to plant them in a building if he thought if opportune

>>213285
> There is no reason to believe that his car was “armed” with bombs.
>unused weapons
they literally stated one bomb was disarmed and they used a robot to do it.

>>213286
The bomb was armed, I mean that the “car” was not armed in the sense that the car itself was probably not intended to be a bomb itself like a truck bomb. Maybe he actually did intend that and he did rig the bombs that way, but it’s more likely that the bombs - armed as bombs - were intended to be removed from the car and placed in a building

>>213288
a possibility, but why would he bomb the third one only. all his gear is low tech, the only thing he's got that we saw on video was a gocam, firearms and gasoline.

>>213292
My personal guess is that he took along the bombs as an “in case it would be useful” and then found himself in situations where he either didn’t have time to get the bombs and use them, didn’t find it necessary when he had the rifle, or just didn’t know how best to use them in the heat of the event. I’m not Tarrant, so I really can’t tell you exactly what he intended, but that is my best guess. Maybe he had something special planned for the last target. As has been said in this thread planting the bombs would have taken time when he didn’t have much before police arrived, and maybe that fact struck him as he was doing the shootings in a way he couldn’t appreciate while planning the event.

As for what he used to make the bombs, I don’t know. He did mention something about being able to make bombs from fertilizer in his manifesto, but deliberately chose guns in the hope it would put more pressure on US gun owners
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>>213277
>a clarification
>on a previous statement
(you)
they are obviously changing the story because IED doesn't fit the narrative. Not quite a two shooters moment but they where obviously trying to inflame the situation and then dialed it back.

>>213256
If the UN is doing studies, that means that they approach memes the way a biologist does a population of animals. They are outsiders who can try to study it, but they don't understand memes in the intuitive, personal kind of way an insider would. The articles on Tarrant's Facebook included a spongebob meme about the allies destroying Berlin, and another of "robot soliders marching on Constantinople circa 2033, colorized." Do you really think that an intelligence analyst would have thought that these were essential details to add to a mosque shooting? What Tarrant did by adding spongebob and Pewdiepie memes to killing 50 people was to trivialize the whole event and to mock it. To make it almost unreal. That's not the kind of thought that crosses the mind of any normie of any type. The way that they think is that an act of terror is a deadly serious act for all parties involved. Mosque attendees die, the shooter is placed in prison for the rest of his life, and the act itself is considered to be a battle in a larger war for the soul or even the preservation of the entirety of Western Civilization and the European peoples. It is the most serious thing imaginable to a normie, as it is not merely literally a matter of life and death, but of all things sacred and the fate of the world. A normie could never imagine making jokes during that. Look at late night television comedians. They aren't funny anymore, because they see their duty as being warriors in a moral-political crusade. Only the Right knows how to make a crusade funny, and I have yet to see any evidence otherwise.

Besides the memes, take another article posted on the facebook. "If you don't believe there are people who want the extinction of whites, read the comments of this video," and he had attached a link to a youtube video about the gradual extinction of the white race, where, sure enough, there are comments saying “good riddance” to white people. I don’t think that any kind of mossad analyst is going to look though youtube video comment sections for people agreeing with the extinction of the white race, or if they did find them, it wouldn’t stick out in their minds. That’s because comments that you find non-offensive and that are otherwise banal and uninspiring don’t really stick out in your mind. Only when they are truly offensive or unexpected to they stick out.

All of this just highlights the biggest reason why this isn’t a false flag – Tarrant didn’t have to meme the attack or have a social media presence. I don’t recall Omar Mateen having any sort of social media presence. Bowers only had some posts on Minds and a couple anti-trump tweets. But Tarrant memed the whole thing, and released a manifesto, which is nigh unprecedented for the modern wave of terror attacks and mass shootings. All a false flagger would need to do is shoot up a mosque, like Bowers did with the Synagogue. They don’t need to film it, then frantically try to censor the film afterwards as if it were an uncontained evil. They don’t need to put up a manifesto, then frantically try to prevent people from reading the manifesto before its contents convinces people. They don’t need to populate a facebook ad twitter account with memes and evidence of the decline of the west, and then wipe them off the internet. They don’t need to do any of that in order to perpetrate a false flag. All they need to do is what that French Canadian guy did. Just have a white guy shoot up a mosque, and the entire world will think that it is a rightwing terror attack

>>213256
>Accelerationism
Well, yeah, if a person on 8chan commits a terror attack, it’s not surprising it would be an accelerationist, because obviously accelerationists are the group of people that think that any kind of reprisal or negative consequences for terror would be beneficial to the ultimate goal of bringing about a more favorable situation than the status quo. Accelerationsist believe that even actions that have negative consequences in the shortrun can bring about desirable change in the long run, where as most National Socialists believe that the war is already lost, that any election result will only make things worse, that violence will only make things worse, and that the enemies of Western Civilization have things figured out so well that almost all reasonably foreseeable consequences benefit them. Natsocs seem to believe that gradual red-pilling is fruitful and may bring about something good in the distant future, but that basically any meaningful change is essentially impossible in the short run. So obviously, accelerationists have more reason to carry out terror attacks, since they have hope that this could actually result in something good, even if it only makes things worse in the short term. Think of it another way. If you have a population where 80% of them are downtrodden and believe violence is pointless, whereas another 20% believe that violence can bring about change, and one person from that population commits an act of violence, do you think that one person came from the 80% or the 20%? Of course Tarrant was an accelerationist, no one else thinks violence is a good idea.

>Inciting a war between Muslims and Europeans
The political situation is very different now that it was back in 2001. In 2001, Muslim terrorists were headquartered in Middle Eastern countries, and any Islamic terror attacks could incite support for wars against Muslims abroad. Now, the Muslims are based in western nations. Political parties that care about domestic Islamic terror attacks don’t support wars abroad, they are against them, and are against more immigration. Islamic attacks incite rightwing populism, which, while perhaps not uncontrollable by them, nevertheless always has its origins outside of the system they control, and thus presents a risk. The Muslims the Israelis seek to fight are located in a specific geographical area – the levant, Iran, and so forth. Not France, the Netherlands, the United States, or New Zeeland. More European Islamic terrorism would just distract from the policies they actually want to accomplish, like globalism or the marginalizing of the power of Islam states in the Middle East. Besides, if Israel or whoever wanted to increase the number of Islamic terror attacks in the West, all they would really need to do is frustrate the efforts of Western intelligence agencies to foil terror attacks. For every attack that actually happens, there are many more that are foiled by law enforcement. Stopping this process and allowing terror attacks to go through would be more effective and more direct than a complicated process that involves Spongebob memes and gambits. Of course, if they did increase the number of attacks, it would have lead to growing populism, then fascism, in the West, and the situation getting out of control for them, which is precisely why they would not want to incite Islamic terror attacks.

>>213398
There are three explanations for the discrepancy in the IED:
1. In the fog of war and confusion of a shoting, police officers communicated poorly or misinterpreted evidence causing the chief of police - who was never on scene - to misstate the number of vehicles IEDs were attached to.
2. In response to an attack which the Christ Church police were not co-conspirators, the police either intentionally or subconsciously lied about the location of IEDs because they wanted to make a white nationalist shooting seem more like an Islamic terror attack, but then had to revise that story after they found that the facts did not fit the narrative they wanted to construct
3. The police were conspirators from the beginning in a vast conspiracy. But even though the conspirators were smart enough to make the shooter look Australian, use the correct memes, film the whole thing, have a sense of humor, write a reasonable fake-manifesto, and planned out every detail well in advance, they couldn't even keep their own story straight on the location of IEDs, and so decided to publicly change the narrative on the location of IEDs even though no one would ever have found out.

You'll notice that both options 2 and 3 require some sort of dishonesty or even conspiracy from the police, but only option 3 has the police as conspirators in a false flag. The bottom line is that if the police are part of the false flag conspiracy, they would know the narrative from the beginning and thus have no need to 'correct' the narrative, and they would have total control over the narrative such that what ever they say is the narrative, and wouldn't need to make any corrections. All in all the IEDs is piss poor evidence of a false flag.

>>213629
>>213630
Thanks anon.
Insightful thoughts among much confusion.

Another discrepancy.

>>213653
Please actually investigate before asserting such strong conclusions. Especially on such a low quality video. You didn't even compare the second time Tarrent enters and leaves, let alone actually showing the other frames near the supposed appearance of socks.
First, and most importantly, when Tarrent comes back into the mosque after firing down the end of the parking lot, you can see that the blue thing is around the guy's ankle, not on his feet, and it's probably a pair of pants or something.
Second, note that the apparent "blue socks" only look like they might exist on both times going out, and neither time in. So either it's a video artifact on the crappy low-resolution footage that's going back and forth between the bright outdoors and the darker indoors, or both leaving bits were somehow filmed separately from both times he enters, and were perfectly spliced together (at least three splices would be needed) so that you can't even notice any cut at all in what appears to be a single continuous shot.
Third, notice that on all four times we see the bodies in that hall (twice in and twice out) the bodies are in the exact same positions. Which means that they'd somehow have to get the position exactly right somehow after removing or adding socks, but not notice that they removed or added socks.
And none of that even gets into how drastically the supposed socks change in brightness not just between the two separate exit times, but even within mere frames the first time Tarrent exits. They go from being indistinguishable from the guys pants, to friggin' glowing bright blue, and all in about half a second. Hell, the second time he exits it looks more like the guy doesn't even have any feet than it looks like he's wearing socks.

>>213671
Second set of pictures.

>>213653
These looks like blue shoes with red soles to me.

>>213629
>>213630
It's important to realize that when the elites imported millions from the Middle East they did not expect things to flare up this way. Islam formed a convenient basis for the General Government in America to enact a police state, but this was never necessary in Europe. After all, most European countries lack a longstanding tradition of liberty and have highly socialistic governments. Look at gun control, for example, and you can see that Europe managed to restrict the most essential freedoms of their citizens long before it has even become discussed in America. Europe didn't need Islam to make a police state with kid gloves.

The refugee crisis was correctly interpreted by us as population dilution and replacement. The elites had to walk a fine line between making sure they settled down and settled in and attracting enough to cripple national identity. Of course as we know they failed to keep jihadist groups from maintaining a presence among Muslims. One could interpret this as stupidity or a miscalculation but it's more likely due to that most elites legitimately believe in the multicultural utopia, that kind words and open arms could turn foxes into rabbits.

The scary thing is that they likely would have gotten away with it too if Muslims weren't incorrigible terrorists. It's unlikely that America, let alone Europe, would have the level of racial consciousness among whites if it weren't for this fact. Who were white Americans going to rise up against? Blacks? They have been officially part of the country since 1865 and after 1965 no longer could be criticized in a social sense. They commit half the crimes, true, but most people don't look at statistics and through rigmarole it can be attributed to "socioeconomics" to further blame whites. Most blacks are Christians and have a spiritual relationship to whites, and hardly no one fails to know a black that they like; they're even prominent in our memes. Hispanics? They speak a different language, are relatively new arrivals, and are growing at an alarming rate, and so are alien enough that even Republicans implicitly warn against their arrival. However, they are overwhelmingly Christians and are racially nebulous; white Hispanics exist so that although they are culturally only half-European, most people don't see a racial connection. Jews? Although their tiny minority status and leadership makes them vulnerable to those who hate the system, their dichotomy of views makes it so anyone within the system has a Jew they like: leftists love Bernie Sanders and right-wingers are fans of Ben Shapiro. Also, to most people, even people like Jared Taylor, "they look white to me" and are widely considered European. Because of this it's difficult to point out how they're the problem without going deep into history and sociology, and ain't nobody got time for that. Also, Jews have ridiculously good PR because of educational and media control to the point any attack on them is literally an attack on God's chosen people. Asians? Don't be ridiculous.

>>213686
Muslims however formed a breach because they are a foreign people who are utterly hostile to both conservative Christians and to the views that progressives espouse. Countless attacks over and over form the impression in anyone morally courageous that this is indeed an invasion by an irreconcilable foe. This gets across the race barrier because people don't have to be conscious of race to dislike Muslims. Islam is a global religion/ideology that seeks dominance and so its actions in one place, contrary to what leftists say, apply to the entire religion. Therefore terrorism in the Middle East fomented a disgust among Christians for years; when it spread to Europe this disgust turned into opposition. Now people more and more want a Crusade even as their religious leaders cuck and prostrate themselves. The millennium-old spirit is reawakening and were an event or person of significant importance to proclaim a holy war thousands would sign up instantly.

This could have been so easily prevented, too. Had mass immigration been limited to such cases as Caribbean blacks for the UK, there would be less backlash and the little opposition would have resulted in Europe becoming non-white, albeit much more slowly. Jamaicans are (correct me if I'm wrong) held in relatively high esteem as far as immigrants go and the last severe criticism of their entrance was in the 1960's. Because they are generally Christian and have an anglicized culture, the only real cause for opposition would on account of race, which is now taboo. However, as Pakistanis follow an atrocious culture and murder cult which has led to untold numbers of rapes and deaths, the failure of the Left to take this into account is their undoing. To reveal the truth about Islam and its adherents is easy and demands any honest-minded person oppose it.

This has been our foot in the door. To oppose Islam because it is inimical to the European way of life requires the question, "What is the European way of life?" Answering this has been a key question of politics that more and more are asking. There are some who say "it's only culture" and believe that they can tame the foreign hordes by also making them hedonistic degenerates. However, this is bound to fail and requires a draconian amount of moral policing. The simpler answer, which more and more people agree with, is to simply ban immigrants outright to maintain social integrity, and this has been the cause of identitarians and nationalists. Once delving into the "us vs. them" mentality liberals warn about so frequently, it is easy to find that racial mindset which is the forbidden fruit and seek a white country.

Islam has been therefore a great benefit to our cause. There was no way to spin Roof or Bowers positively, but Tarrant became a sympathetic figure, even a celebrity, overnight. Aside from leftists who hate us anyway, the reaction has been one of indifference or support and has horrified the global masters. Therefore to get people on our side it is necessary to enunciate the depravity of the immigrants who invade our lands, the quislings who have done nothing, and (((those))) who got this all started. This is the new tack we need.

>>213630
>>213687
Accelerationism and black-pilled National Socialism are not the only predictions that /pol/ and friends have had. The libertarian consideration of the issue for years has been that eventually the economic system will collapse under its own weight due to a combination of debt, entitlements and economic meddling. Therefore extremism can safely be steered away from as the collapse will occur under its own terms. To achieve meaningful change it is essential to redpill as many people as possible to foster distrust in government and a rejection of progressive principles. This has some merit to it and Brazil is an example. Recession and runaway corruption due to encroaching socialism drove a reaction that, despite every obstacle, got Bolsonaro into office. This is more significant than Trump's victory in America because Brazil is a minority white nation (past the so-called "point of no return") and Bolsonaro is at least in form much more hardcore than Trump.

The current economic system is unsustainable, especially with mass immigration, and it will collapse in the next two decades.

In a way this is the synthesis of the two and I believe that at least on a public level this should be our stance. It first of all has better PR as it does not openly advocate destabilizing the system and causing suffering; rather, it states that this will happen anyway due to the State's meddling. Despite this it by all means advocates preparation and training, ostensibly to survive. Private and ad-hoc militias are expressly recommended; it should be noted that Murray Rothbard's favorite movie was Red Dawn, a film that portrayed militias fighting a professional military force. It neither dismisses the idea of accomplishing meaningful change through spreading ideas, though it never trusts a political solution. This pragmatism can be adapted for different situations. Also, a branch of this "independently-minded" thinking, agorism, seeks to use "grey markets" outside the purview and control of the State to establish networks and erode the conventional system. This is modeled after the decline and fall of the Soviet Union and proponents can instead of "read Siege" say "read Countereconomics." Finally, despite the lack of a racial ethos "small-l" libertarianism is closely aligned with our views, exists outside the political system, and opposes our censorship: the "libertarian to alt-right pipeline" is very real and more members of the dissident right came from libertarianism perhaps than from any other ideology. Therefore when normies ask "what are you going to do in the long term" this is a safe and perhaps very fruitful response.

>>213653
>The shoes are here.
Well the OP did say that we would go one by one and dissect them. I agree with >>213676 though, this has been brought up many times on 4cuck and 8chan as a circular talking point to waste energy no matter how many times it's been debunked. But we can do it again here.

My opinion: They're far too red to qualify as 'bare feet' and you can see the outline of the shoe from the top picture. Maybe not as saturated as the ones in your pic but red sole dress shoes do exist so it's not much to point at as evidence.

>>213653
>>213700
In addition if you review the first video >>212675 then you'll see this guy is one of the first people shot. He was outside and crawled inside, a lot of times Muslims will take off their shoes to enter a place of worship but he didnt have any time for that.

>>213629
All solid arguments.
Yes the manifesto did have memes in it that didnt seem like they came from a think-tank. mocking fortnite is nothing new and could be analyzed and crafted, but then we have how spyro the dragon radicalized him which came out of nowhere.

For the retarded kikes who keep saying
>hurr who cares about mossad and gaza it has nothing to do with us.
Have something interesting everyponer.

>>213630
>The bottom line is that if the police are part of the false flag conspiracy, they would know the narrative from the beginning and thus have no need to 'correct' the narrative, and they would have total control over the narrative such that what ever they say is the narrative, and wouldn't need to make any corrections. All in all the IEDs is piss poor evidence of a false flag.
chutzpah at its finest. The narrative has to be flexible because we always bring up bullshit and crush your retarded stories. why do you think they had to change the plaque in auschwitz? do you think it was 4 million or 1.5?

You can also look at the latest media catastrophe to see more evidence of dialing back and damage control once evidence is brought to light.

>>213884
>chutzpah
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>>213629
Having read this I can say this is a decent arguement. I don't agree with any of it, and further suspect you are a shill, but more importantly than that, the evidence you people refuse to address must conform to this well thought out post, which in my mind begs an entirely different kind of question.

Seeing the constant use of shills controlled opposition, (shilling already discredited information constantly) I think its more relevant to ask ourselves why this false flag occurs. There could be a veriety of reasons but it cant simply be "another right wing terror attack"

Satanism plays a rather critical role, and the gaza impact cannot be ignored. But more importantly, It seems like a blow designed directly to attack 4chan. We had an unprecedented effect on the last election cycle, and I wouldn't put it past these fuckers to want every meme and threadcap that filters down through the media to be questioned and remind someone of the murderers we all obviously are. I think the post in question does a great job in illustrating exactly what this is not. But like most false dichotemies, the answer isn't "Genuine" or "a alt-right psi op"

It's entirely possible even that the left simply gave this isolated guy a target to shoot up even if he isn't an operative. We've seen the depths cia has sunken, and mossad is a step further. If you can't make the memes, why not seize the means of production? But I really don't think so. The great thing about being open to information is I know I could be wrong, but so far no one has addressed the coincidences with foreign involvement in christchurch other than to say "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar goy!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TSum0TG75M&feature=youtu.be
this is neat. hope someone picks it apart but I bet people are just going to say
>its nothing goy, stop looking at those pixels!

Quality is improving though, despite my suspicions of shillery, this is much closer to what I expect from smart!/pol/

>>213889
>you used a jewish word! that means you're a jew
classic pilpul.

>>213905
>pilpul
You're really not helping yourself here

I'll address the claim that this whole thing was to cover up Israeli attacks on Gaza by sucking up all the air on the media. When I tried to look up Isreali attacks on Gaza to see how common they are, I found that the most recent incident occurred today, just a few hours ago
https://news.sky.com/story/israel-begins-strikes-against-hamas-in-gaza-in-response-to-rocket-attack-11674986
Do you think that there will be another false-flag white nationalist attack later today to try to cover up this one? Do you think that American and other media will widely report the attack in the absence of a mosque shooting? If there is no other shooting later today, that kind of suggests that Israel systemically cover up their gaza attacks by sucking the oxygen out of the media environment with false flags.

Here was another incident on March 8th of this year where a palestinian was killed by IDF soliders. This was 1 week before the Christchurch incident, and no cover up was used or needed.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-protests/israeli-troops-kill-palestinian-during-gaza-protests-health-ministry-idUSKCN1QP24K
Here's another single killing on December 14 of last year
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20181214-israel-soldiers-kill-60-year-old-palestinian-businessman-smear-him-as-terrorist/

Isreali attacks on Palestine are incredibly common. Do you remember that incident last year where IDF killed like 60 Palestinians? It was reported, to be sure, but Israel didn't suffer any real international consequence for it, or any change in opinion
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/15/palestinians-to-bury-58-people-killed-in-us-embassy-protests
Sure, this article says that there were "protests" internationally, but realistically Israel suffered zero consequences. The US continued the embassy move, other nations followed suit, and then this year the US recognized Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights and Romania at least thus far has followed suit.

In fact, in 2018, there were 290 total Palestinians killed by IDF in clashes
https://israelpalestinetimeline.org/2018deaths/
Another article claims that 29000 Palestinians were injured in 2018 in clashes.
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/nearly-300-palestinians-killed-29000-injured-2018

The number of attacks Israel makes on Palestine isn't really recorded or listed, but Wikipedia does list the number of Palestinian attacks on Israel each year. This list claims 14 rocket attacks on Israel in 2018.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2018
I think we can safely assume that Israel made at least a dozen attacks of its own on Palestine in 2018.

Did any of those dozens of other attacks on Palestine need Israel to suck the oxygen out of the global media in order for them to get away with it? How many people actually knew (or cared) about all of those attacks on Palestine anyways? The simple fact of the matter is that Israel does not need to cover up its attacks on Palestine, because they would get away with it regardless. Normies wouldn't have cared about these attacks anyways, as they see them as a part of a mutual conflict spanning thousands of years, while those inclined to criticize Israel for its human right abuses would have discovered all of these anyways. Israel doesn't need distractions to do what it wants to in the middle east.

>>213884
>>213884
What exactly was brought up that forced the police to change their narrative after only a couple days? None of what happened after the stream cut off was captured on video anyways. If they wanted to say IEDs were found on multiple vehicles they could say so. If they wanted to say that IEDs were found on one vehicle they could say so, and there would be no video to prove otherwise. There's no point in "changing the narative" unless the police chief mispoke at the conference and added an 's' where none belonged.

>>213904
If it isn't an alt-right psi-op or genuine, then what is the alternative? What do you mean by "giving this guy a target to shoot up?"
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>>213907
the only one not helping yourself is you. You shills constantly do nothing but drag things off topic, respond in the most ridiculous fallacies, all in the service of making the reader forget what we are actually discussing.

I provided content that is worth discussing, now discuss it or continue shitposting.

>>213908
Imagine thinking that air bombing a place is the same thing as a fucking armed scuffle. Civies care far more about the former for obvious reasons; dramatization and the principle behind using air power to decimate 3rd world countries for little benefit. This is what is associated with bomb runs in the modern era, People think of glassed out industrial sectors and napalm.

>muh rockets
interesting thing to bring up right after the other info I just dropped.

You are right that israel certainly gets away with a lot of shit. it wouldn't be unfair to say I'm at a level of theycantkeepgettingawaywithit.webm I've scarcely been at. None the less you are off your fucking rocker if you think "X bombs Y place" sends the same message as the others.

>what exactly was brought up that forced the police to change their narrative after only a couple days?
The theory since you forgot, was that he wouldnt have had time to plant bombs on random cars and reach his destination. There is a reason to change the narrative under that circumstance, if it happens to be true.
>What do you mean by gives someone a target to shoot.
Get someone from our side to shoot up a mosque, make them think it's a good idea, go in on the plan together.
>alteranatives
The Alt.right is, despite the hopes of israel's PR, not synonymous with 4chan in the public eye. It's its own animal that existed in public infamy far before these events. Attempting to directly attack it's credability as a news source could easily be that purpose, though as I mentioned I also named Rsrael aggression and the connection of previous false flag actors to be enough of one on its own.

The main problem with all of these is we need more info, but we have not seen the last piece of evidence, since I'm surprised every morning it seems like with something new and at least credible and worth a look. The problem with your constant assertions is it seeks to play devils advocate against strawmen. There are a number of reasons for any false flag event. It could be satanism, it could be that the the mosque is connected to (((isis))) and some asset was called in to come depreciate it and the left is on damage control. There are a ton of options and questions here left unanswered and the goal of the detractors, if not right at this second then as a whole has been: Shut up, stop thinking, don't ask questions, shit post and high five and go to sleep.

>>213929
>no u
>context worth discussing
If that were the case, I wouldn't be shitposting

>>213929
>Imagine thinking that air bombing a place is the same thing as a fucking armed scuffle
Imagine thinking that taking a condescending tone with only flimsy arguments to back you is persuasive to anyone. Anyways, this is a big citation needed. Why do you claim that media or people will care more about air strikes than, say, 58 people killed in a skirmish - especially when the later was reported in the guardian and sparked protests, while the former is hard to find articles on at all. There hasn’t been massive backlash behind the bombings of Yemen, Syria, or any of dozens of other countries that required sucking the air out.

>Same message as the others
Again, I don’t see why the bombing that occurred on March 14 would be in more need of being covered up than basically the exact same thing happening today - assuming of course, there isn’t another false flag attack today. If you want to claim that what Israel did on March 14 was somehow unique from what they’ve done today or dozens of times every year for decades, and why that incident required cover up but these don’t, then we need sone evidence.

>if he wouldn’t have had time to plant the bombs
Well, this whole chain of thought is conditioned on “If it happened to be true,” and I see no reason it would be. How long does it take to flip a switch or light a fuse on a bomb, and then through it at a car? Probably not longer than a few seconds, and there were many minutes between the cut off of the video and the time he was captured by police. He had more than enough time to plant bombs on cars before or after going into the second mosque, which could have failed to detonate and then be found by police. That narrative is just as coherent and makes as much sense as if the IEDs never left Tarrant’s car. There is no critical flaw in the former narrative that needs correcting, AND that would be more conspicuous than the correction itself.

>>213929
>>213934
For some reason, you want to claim, inexplicably, that people care more about airstrikes than IDF soldiers skirmishing, with no argument or evidence. So I looked into incidents of Israeli airstrikes on Palestine. And I actually brought evidence.

It turns out, I was wrong. There is a wikipedia list of Israeli attacks on Palestine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_attacks_on_Palestine

Air attacks are nothing new. There was a major set of attacks in 2012.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9136829/Israel-air-strikes-kill-17-Palestinians.html
A set in 2014
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-28205749/israel-launches-new-air-strikes-on-gaza-strip
And 2015
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-34501312/palestinians-killed-in-israeli-air-strikes-on-gaza

More recently, just in November 2018, there was another set of airstrikes
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/11/israel-launches-air-strikes-gaza-rocket-fire-181112150838578.html

Here's another, August 9 2018
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israeli-jets-bombard-gaza-in-response-to-hamas-rockets-in-severe-escalation/2018/08/09/8405ba74-9ba8-11e8-8d5e-c6c594024954_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9f9e97788acd

80 targets hit by the Israeli airforce on October 28, 2018
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-28/palestinian-militants-fire-rockets,-israel-strikes-gaza/10437504

And a fourth one, July 20 2018
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/20/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-violence.html

So you can see, Israeli airstrikes on Palestine have been going on for years, and there were at least 4 sets of Israeli airstrikes on Palestine in 2018 that were reported and made it to the first page of google search.

But the march 14th airstrikes were not even the beginning of airstrikes in 2019.
The set of airstrikes in 2019 started (maybe) with airstrikes on Palestine on February 28, or two whole weeks before the Christ church shooting
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/israeli-airstrikes-target-resistance-sites-across-gaza/
And there is more. Israel did another set of airstrikes on March 7, a week before Christchurch and a week after the first set in 2019
https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/israel-launches-air-strikes-on-hamas-in-gaza-24805
This is all, of course, besides the airstrikes that took place on March 24
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190324-israeli-airstrikes-on-gaza-wound-3-palestinians/
And the airstrikes that took place today
https://thedefensepost.com/2019/03/25/israel-airstrikes-gaza-hamas-tel-aviv/

So basically, we have 4 sets in 2018, 2 sets in 2019 occuring a week and two weeks before Christchurch in 2019, and two sets of airstrikes occurring more recently after Christchurch is no longer first page news. The Christchurch shooting would thus be a piss poor way of keeping airstrikes out of the discussion, because so many airstrikes occur well before Christchurch, and several are coming after Christchurch does not command the first page.

And besides all of this, ask yourself, how effective would an attack in New Zeeland be at distracting attention from events on the literal other side of the world? Many people who have reason to care about what goes on in Israel have no reason to care about New Zeeland, and vice versa. If they really wanted to distract civilian attention, they would have done it in Europe or America, where it would have attracted more attention by those markets.

>>213929
>Get someone from our side to shoot up a mosque, make them think it's a good idea, go in on the plan together
I admit that I can't really know if Tarrant did or did not have any accomplices in planning the attack, although it looks like he probably carried out the attack alone. There is talk in the news of an "alleged accomplice who has been charged," an 18 year old named David john Burroughs.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/03/15/shootings-reported-mosques-christchurch-new-zealand/?utm_term=.3433f7035174
But when you look at what he was actually charged for, it was just for sharing a meme about the attack
>the teen was “charged over the alleged Facebook re-posting of the live stream of Friday’s mosque shootings and messages ‘inciting extreme violence.'” The site added that the teenager was accused of “showing a photograph of the mosque in Deans Avenue with the message ‘Target Acquired’ and further chat messaging around inciting extreme violence.”
https://heavy.com/news/2019/03/daniel-john-burrough/
Anyways, we know that police agencies are looking into whoever may have helped him over the past few years, so evidence one way or another should show up.

I will address the claim mentioned in >>213904
>It seems like a blow designed directly to attack 4chan
First of all, 4chan is not implicated in this terror attack. The social media sites Tarrant used were 8chan, Twitter, and Facebook. But not 4chan. Second, the backlash in the media has really not fallen upon 4chan nor has 4chan been forced to take any measures. Take for example, this article from USA Today titled "New Zealand mosque shootings: Are social media companies unwitting accomplices?"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2019/03/15/new-zealand-shooting-do-social-media-companies-bear-responsibility/3174497002/
If ever there were an article you'd expect to lay the blame squarely on 4, err, 8chan, you'd think it'd be this article. But it doesn't. This article mentions the posts on Twitter, it mentions Facebook, and it even talks about Youtube. But this article contains not a single mention of either 4chan or 8chan. Sure, there are occassional articles that will mention the role 8chan played in the shooting, but then again, there are articles blaming Pewdiepie. It looks like 8chan has not faced the brunt of the backlash, or at least, no more than Facebook.
Take a look at this article about a Muslim group suing Facebook and Youtube over allegedly spreading the video. There is not one single mention of either 8chan or 4chan.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/25/tech/cfcm-youtube-facebook-france-intl-scli/index.html

If the intent of this attack was to take down 4chan, why not make the post announcing the attack on 4chan? 4chan, unlike 8chan, is a business that cares about its sponsors. Making the post on 4chan would have placed the blame directly on 4chan, and forced it to respond in some way, like how recently someone livestreamed a suicide onto 4chan and 4chan had to shutdown temporarily. Instead, it was posted on the harder to reach and more resilient 8chan, which had to comply with FBI requirements, but doesn't have to care otherwise.

Furthermore, why use facebook and twitter for the attack if these companies would just distract from the real target of 4chan? As seen above, many attacks by the media and in the courts have been on Facebook, Youtube, and Twitter, not 4chan and 8chan despite the latter being directly involved. By posting on Facebook and Twitter, Tarrant forced any attack on 8chan for its part in spreading the attack to require acknowledging that Facebook and Twitter were equally susceptible. I believe that this was an intentional move by Tarrant, and that he created his Twitter and Facebook accounts in part to take backlash for his attack away from 8chan and direct it onto Facebook and Twitter. In short, if the target was 4chan, they would have made the posts on 4chan, not 8chan and Facebook.

>>213929
>>213955
I'm going to go ahead and address this before you make a post about it and ignore the actual arguments against your position. Yes, I know that by "4chan" you meant "those rightwing internet communities that tend to operate around anonymous imageboards" rather than meaning the corporation of 4chan. And yet, all of my arguments still stand. The biggest and most mainstream anonymous imageboard hosting far-right political discussion is 4chan's /pol/. It's also the softest target, and the one most likely to crumble under external pressure. So obviously, anyone who wanted to target the online rightwing imageboard communities, would have tried to place the pressure on directly on 4chan /pol/ rather than 8chan /pol/, because it is a softer target, hosts a larger community, and is the place that most new members of the community would first be inducted.

>>213956
>>213955
>>213929
Another post on the 4chan question, because it is fascinating: a quick google search of "4chan Christchurch" shows only one article connecting 4chan to the shootings on the first page, that being a BBC blogpost by some guy. Every other result in the search is either a link to 4chan itself or an article mentioning 4chan being blocked by New Zealand and Australia for not removing the video. Expand the search to 2 pages, and you only find one more article blaming 4chan. Again, all of the other results are about the ISP block. The ISP block happened because of the refusal to remove the video that was first streamed on Facebook, and not because of any alleged causal link to the attack itself.

It looks like the relative obscurity of the 8chan platform has reduced the amount of blame that anonymous imageboards in general are receiving for this event.

>>213908
The articles on gaza bombings neither discredits the argument nor supports it.

If Israel didn't ever run false flags to distract from them then one could say there's no connection to FFs when we've seen the opposite case many times. But if every FF is for Israel happenings then there might be a FF every time Israel bombs the gaza but like you said they usually get away with it with no international pressure.

Historically the bigger wrong doing that Israel does then the bigger the news they need to draw attention away from it. Looking at this from only what happens at the gaza is only part of the picture, since they're a global presence and pest. They've directly attacked US soil to get the US to go to war several times. They are war mongers trying to drive us into WW3, running propaganda and wasting tax payer money for worthless Russian conspiracy connections.

But nobody bought the bait. So what next? What was the biggest talk among social circles before the attack? Israeli influences and double standards, dual citizenship and so on were being called on attention all over the world. The Yellow-vests are now targeting the jewish central banks in France. So then the jews have been feeling the heat for a while and it's getting worse for them. The shooting whether or not it was a false-flag played directly into taking the heat off them, now whites are demonized further and disarmed further, jailed and all goes according to plan because only the white race has ever been the ones to lead a revolt against kike subversion. Now with the attack muslims will turn for revenge and take more white lives, which you can say will radicalize whites and 'accelerate' but if there's no way to take it back in time then the acceleration meme is just driving the white race off a cliff which is a total loss. Mind you that in the manifesto Brenton linked a video that had talked about birth rates needing to stay above a certain ratio or face collapse. Well all across the world whites are below that ratio, and more deaths from islam, or young men jailed for a good portion of their life will only put a bigger dent in that ratio.

>>213955
>>213956
>>213957
8chan was definitely talked about on the public news related to the attack. 8chan has been the /pol/ they can't control as they already have bought out the mods of 4/pol/ and shill it to oblivion, that's all proven. But 8chan has been largely out of their reach, they usually chose to ignore 8ch's involvement completely so not to drive traffic to it and find it was heavily moderated but now that it's been (((Globalized))) then it's ripe for a constant raids and shill farms just like on 4/pol/ from the masses.

You should also be aware that even if they aren't openly attacking 8chan calling for it to be shutdown (which many still are) they're using the shooting and the fact it was posted on 8chan to be fuel for shutting down the free-speech of the internet everywhere so 4chan would be included as similar people who post 'hate speech' or 'radicalizing content' can be found there too. So the christchurch shooting puts all imageboards under the crosshair, not just 8chan.

>>213983
Perhaps you misunderstood my argument. Others have proposed that the Christchurch shooting was prompted by some actor whose motive was to distract attention away from a series of bombings on March 14 by the Israelis on Palestine. But if that were Israel's intent, then where were the false flags to cover up the airbombings on July 20, 2018, August 9, 2018, October 28, 2018, November 2018, or the attacks of February 28 2019, March 4 2018, the attack three days ago, or the attack today. If Israel though that the airstrike on March 14 needed cover up, why didn't they make a false flag attack on February 28? Why didn't they do one on March 4? Where was the false flag attack on Saturday? Where is today's false flag attack? Why are people still talking about Israeli bombings if Mossad got away with covering them up via Christchurch?

You say that Israel has run numerous false flags before. But the question here is not "would Israel run a false flag" but rather "In this particular case, given this set of facts, would an airstrike on Israel be the sort of thing that Israel would sponsor a false flag attack to cover up?" And I answer that, given the very large number of other incidents of identical nature, and the fact that these don't seem to have similar false flags attached to them, it seems that this is not teh sort of thing Israel feels it has the need to shoot up a mosque to cover up.

Let me lay the logic even barer: "If Israel feels they need to cover something up, then they pull something like a false flag attack. There have been three Israeli airstrikes in 2019 and 4 in 2018 that do not correspond to false flags or other cover-ups. Therefor, it seems that Israel does not consider an airstrike the sort of thing that needs to be covered up by means of a false flag. After all, if they did, there would be another 7 similar acts to cover up those 7 airstrikes."

You say "The bigger the wrong doing that Israel does the bigger the news they need to draw attention away from it." My point with the news articles is that a mundane airstrike - which, remember, the US and Saudi Arabia do on a daily basis in Syria and Yemen - is not something the Israelis consider to be something they need to draw attention away from. And this is true regardless of whatever else they think they need to cover up, or whatever else they have done. Not every death is attributable to the same known serial killer, not every bad thing that happens in the world is Israel.

>Done to take the heat off of Jews from yellow vests
Oh please, the riots in Paris that resulted in burning buildings and Macron making protests illegal in parts of the city received vastly more news coverage than the Christchurch shootings. If Israel wanted to suck the air out of the News in France, they wouldn't do something in New Zealand, which most Europeans don't care about. They'd do whatever they intended to do in Europe, where it would receive far more coverage as it would be a local issue.

>now whites are demonized further and disarmed further
Which was Tarrant's stated intent in his manifesto. He explicitly said that he hoped that his actions would provoke a reaction from the left, which would in turn provoke an even greater backlash by the right, leading to a war that Tarrant thought was the best chance the European peoples had/have of preservation. All in all, this attack is looking most like it was carried out by a guy who wanted a global Western civil war, not by some party with narrower interests like "bury this news item" or "censor this website."

>>213991
I don't question that 8chan was mentioned in the news, or in some way subject to reprisal. Everything from Facebook to Youtube to semi-automatic guns to Donald Trump to Pewdiepie has been the subject of some sort of blame by various parts of the hysterical left, and it would be utterly shocking if 8chan were excluded from that. What I am talking about is whether anonymous imageboards were themselves the target, or a target, of any potential false flag. And the bottom line is that this attack was not carried out in such a way as would have maximized backlash against image boards specifically, nor has that been the actual consequence.

Of course leftists are trying to use the attack as excuse to censor the internet. And Tarrant definitely knew that would happen and intended that as a consequence. My argument is and has been that the way in which the attack was carried out was more consistent with Tarrant's stated motives of accelerating a civil war than with the motives of any false flagger, or at least, any motives that have been suggested thus far.
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>>213996
I understand your arguments, I just think they're just faulty reasoning to get 100% behind and call it a day. Having a healthy skepticism of '''coincidences''' is natural after all the deception and manipulation that comes with the territory of semites.

You didn't really debunk anything as far as if it could be a distraction because they still did factually launch a FF when they launched 100+ missiles on at once. And they've been caught trying to fake gas attacks in Syria to get things to go their way for years.

What's happening in France is still far from the only case of feeling the heat. I'm sure you're aware that the US is a global power and gets a massive amount of attention. Well the JQ was more recently being brought up more such as the shitskin muslim in congress stating "Israel has hypnotized the world.” if someone in power is starting to name the jew then they will sweat and try to get rid of her like when Trump blasted her and now they seek to get rid of her. Instead of thinking that whites and muslims could fight together against a common enemy (the jew) its much smarter from their perspective to play both sides against eachother and sit on the side to collect sheckles.

And 'acceleration' is only totally suicidal if there's not a big enough number of people who wake up to challenge the system which is still far from the case, making it only a bigger death grip that the far left has over the world. Balkanization is exactly what the jews have pushed for forever, like in the USSR so I'm not going to suddenly act like balkanization can only be good for whitesbecause it was stated thats the case in a manifesto, and blindly following it will just lead to Qtard 'trust the plan' 'trust the manifesto' waiting around for someone else to be the one to radicalize while people meme 'acelleration'. The fact is balkanization weakens the overall nation or state so its easier to attack from the inside or outside and they're already putting the west in a pincer attack before moving forward with their main goal of central control.

>>214001
>Healthy skepticism
Sure. I cannot tell you that Tarrant was not contacted and aided by some actor (Mossad or otherwise) with interest antithetical to Tarrant’s stated interests, and who provoked the attack under the assumption that Tarrant’s assement of the consequences was wrong. I cannot tell you that, because there is no evidence one way or the other. I can say that Tarrant probably was the only shooter based upon what we know. The only thing of which I am certain now is that Tarrant was the primary shooter, and that the stated motivations in the Manifesto were approximately Tarrant’s actual motivations. That is all I have been arguing.

>factually launch a FF when they launched 100+ missiles on at once.
What are you talking about? As for the Syria gas attacks, that was a very different set of circumstances, because Donald Trump was in the middle of negotiations with China and North Korea where he wanted to prove he was serious. Thus, he decided a massive attack for violating a “redline” of using chemical weapons made sense. A false flag attack using chemical weapons thus would have a direct and known consequence on a major foreign policy issue, specifically, getting the US firmly against Syria. There is no corresponding direct and observable desirable policy consequence of this attack as regards Israel’s position in Palestine. Israel doesn’t have anything to gain. In fact, this attack has basically nothing at all to do with Palestine. Maybe a connection could be made to censorship, but I don’t think that line has been drawn.

>Omar’s anti Semitic attacks
Why would Israel sweat? Omar’s comments did more to advance the interests of Judaism than the Christchurch attack, probably much more. What Omar did was to give the populist right an opportunity to use claims of antisemetism as a weapon in public discourse, and thus affirm that anti-demotion is a bad thing. Before recently, Anti-semetism was seen as a far-right thing. This means that people on the right would always resent the word “anti-Semite,” and either try to rid themselves of the term by proclaiming a love of Jews, or embracing the term and saying “okay, I guess that’s what I am.” Now, the populist right has a reason to actually like the idea of anti-semitism being wiped out. Before it was their burden to bare. Now, it is a cudgel against their enemies. Israel will be celebrating Omar’s statements, because it forces the left to take a stance (probably in their favor) and makes the Right more open to protecting the interests of Jews.

>Balkanization weakens the State
The problem with this is that the state and the media all over the west were already under the control of globalists. They already have power over markets, over governments, over media, over reporting and so forth. The status qui us good for them. Instability is bad. Adolf Hitler did not rise in that peaceful stability that existed in Europe between the Napoleanic and the Great War. That kind of World never bring about a Nazi Germany. Adolf Hitler and the NSDAP were born of the chaos of Germany’s defeat, the Communist rebellion, and the Great Depression. They would not have ridden otherwise. The Israelis are not stupid. They know this, and they want to avoid a chaotic instability they cannot control.
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>>213904
This is actually a good video. Although it, in typical melodramatic fashion, drags on annoyingly, the license plate toward the end is solid evidence.

If this is a registered license plate belonging to a Muslim or someone with Muslim relations, it's the real deal. If they say it "doesn't exist" or the car was just scrapped then we know it's a false flag. Thank you "muh shills" anon!

>>214012
God dammit you're right. And here's something the video didn't point out, that was noticed while source-checking the times from the video.
>pic related
The vehicle - the one he pointed at but didn't shoot at - was still parked in front when he crossed the entrance on his way back with the second gun. I can't give the exact timestamp because my copy is split into 2 parts, but its 1:22 on part 2. He goes to the far entrance, fires off several rounds, and at about 30 seconds later (from seeing the car still parked), the car is missing.
Everything else in the video checks out, including the vehicle license plate.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TSum0TG75M
That video was pure faggotry, and anyone who actually bothered to check the claims it makes would have easily noticed it.
As before, I'm watching the 16:56 'ecpjxt.mp4' version.
>supposed handler
First, the guy who passes the car at ~4:07 clearly has tan colored pants. Then, the guy near the entrance at ~5:00 has very clearly red pants. So either this is a different guy, or he decided to change only his pants for some fucking reason. Additionally, it looks a bit like the first guy was actually wearing a coat or some similarly bulky item, but that's uncertain due to the low quality and short time he's on camera.
>aiming at the car/person in car
The car at ~8:50 is not what he's aiming at. First, remember that cars are friggin' short. Pretty much any adult male who's not a midget would be aiming decidedly over a car when pointing a gun level, as Tarrant appears to be doing here.
Second, the video asks if there's a person in the car, but we cannot see anything in the car, not even the seats. This is bald-faced evidence-less conjecture.
But it's even worse than that, because if the video creator had actually looked at the frames, he'd see that there's clearly something roughly person-sized moving to the left by the trees in the background right where Tarrant is aiming.
>car missing
As for the car being missing, note that we have occasionally seen people running away in the other rooms while Tarrant was in the main room, and he didn't explore the mosque at all, so it's entirely possible that someone was still alive hidden in a back room somewhere and ran to their car to leave after Tarrant went back to his car. Especially since everything else in this video has been total bullshit up to this point. (As mostly irrelevant info, I believe we can hear the car start driving away at 10:00, right before Tarrant fires down the parking lot. It's pretty quiet though.)
>guy in yard
Next, when the supposed handler guy supposedly appears in the yard. First, remember that the car that's supposedly the handler's HAS ALREADY FAGGOTING LEFT! So at the very least that means that either that car didn't belong to this guy, or this guy isn't the handler if that was the handler's car. Further, all we see there is an indistinct blob, a blob which is a black and red rectangle for one frame, black for one frame, partially (but not completely) red for four frames, and then black for 14 frames before we lose sight of it. So if I had to guess the actual color of it, I'd guess black, not red.
>license plate
The video then goes on to claim again that the car belonged to the supposed handler, which, again, there is literally no evidence for, and then says that the few frames when you can almost make out the license plate are the real reason that having or sharing the video is verboten.
Again, remember what evidence this guy gives that the car is supposedly the "handler's" car. That Tarrant aims at it (which he doesn't), and he implies that the car has someone in it (there is no way to tell if there is). Everything else is just supposed appearances of the "handler", none of which have anything to do with the car.

>>214080
Too many pictures for one post.

Posted today, James Mason speaks.
>SIEGECast: The New Zealand Godsend
https://www.bitchute.com/video/acAyAJx4ri8h/

And this sandnigger has a point.
>BASED dude at Christchurch anti-violence rally: "Mossad is behind this!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX0nRc93Ppw

>>214526
the guy in the crowd is mossad.

>>214526
The problem with this kind of "oy vey" posting is that it ends up ascribing everything to the mythical Jew. A model of how the world works is supposed to produce "true" and also "false" statements that can be verified. If your model of "the Jews did it" can explain every possible event that's ever happened, as well as also explain that every event that's ever happened is a double-play by "the Jews" to get us to doubt they exist, then quite frankly "the Jews" is a useless model.
Your model must be able to predict the future with better than 50% accuracy or it's literally less than worthless, because then you can assume the exact opposite of what your model predicts and be right more often.
Here's an example. Say there's a shooting in Moscow and someone smells a rat. Immediately people jump to "this was a false flag" and then the oyvey posters come out to say
<<oy vey, good goyim, blackpill yourself and refuse to fight. Let us live rent free in your head.
and the same fucking strategy is also used to say
<<oy vey, good goyim, fall for our mossad tricks and villify the right
and quite frankly if "oyveyposting" can be used to justify both sides, it's trash.
There's no point arguing about whether this was a false flag or not because to do so would require a mongolian horsewhispering forum to be better at trickery than the people being accused. If there's a false flag and an operative is burned, that's a huge cost to the intelligence agency responsible. They have to train the goy, make sure they don't squeal, and also suppress any mistakes the person makes. They are very invested, in that case, in picking a target that looks very normal and also interested in making sure no mistakes happen. If this was a false flag then the Mossad agents would have a play-by-play script and the moment the action went off-script they would hit a button and cancel the livestream, with a 30s delay. Inb4 "that's why the stream was cut". If there really was a cut, then there's no point in looking for anything in the permitted video, and if there wasn't a cut then there's nothing to find.
Honestly, letting the mythical Jew live rent free in one's head unironically makes it harder to call them out. Cut this shit out and use your heads a little harder.

>>214673
>The problem with this kind of "oy vey" posting is that it ends up ascribing everything to the mythical Jew.
I Agree. I posted it just to cover another angle.
From my point of view what Tarrant did, was glorious and a hyper boost for everyone. And the most important thing is that he brought to the front the White Genocide issue.