/mlpol/ - My Little Politics

>Chaos and entropy.

and the cycle of Left/Right in Christianity: https://chechar.wordpress.com/category/oswald-spengler/

Imperium is coming soon, to address the entropy problem.

>>207671
Christians want to play nice with the other religions and pretend violence is an icky horrifying thing of the past for brutes and those who lose in the end by losing their moral high ground.
It needs to remember how to hate.
It needs to remember how to fuck, too. The Mormons in Utah are the only white people bucking the trend by not refusing to breed and dying out.
Women are lesser. They are stupid, selfish whores who need to relearn their place.

>>207671
One of the core problems is your average christian believes thats Jesus was a pacifist and all merciful. Its a misleading belief, as Jesus probably believed that revenge and war can be justified. I think thats what makes christians so soft when it facing the ugly world of politics.

>>207674
>Christianity is the root of Communism
Yeah, no... that goes to the Jew.

>>207680
The bible says, "Go forth and be fruitful" as in he wants us to have many offspring. However, he advises against becoming whores. In todays age, that is all you see everywhere, sex, violence, and drugs. Damn they been talking about that for years and years and everyone jokes at the old men in that crackly voice, "Oh you whipper snappers, always into you sex and rock and roll". We all were in a gasp when women started wearing short skirts, now they are wearing fish net tea shirts with bandaids over their nipples walking into Walmart with a nigger drapped around their arms. Their nostrils so enlarged from all the crack and in her other arm, a montrosity of a child that isn't even human.Despite the Mormons being fruitful, I can't see how they ever can be faithful to multiple spouses.

>>207692
I don't think God, nor Jesus likes violence. But even God is vengeful. Remember the Trumpets of Jericho? Walls come tumbling down and what do you really think happened latter? Violence should never be instigated in my personal opinion, but when it is instigated against you, why choose to perish? Why is it that so many have this "Martyr" like attitude where they must sacrifice themselves. It does nothing. Oh so you think you will get brownie points with God? Well you doomed everyone else on earth and by your sacrifice, if God's message ends with you, then how will you ever spread his word? The only way to persevere his word on earth is to protect it and if that means fighting back, then that is what it means. We had so many crusades and it wasn't that we went on the offensive, we were on the defensive after dozens of raids against Christians by Muslims. If only Christians would remember the past.

>>207671
It's been a good long while since I've looked into the big Christian schisms and controversies being a longtime atheist and all, but this looks more or less like business as usual.
>It isn't "this is what I believe so it must be true" it is "I reject the bible and substitute my own."
Isn't this more or less what every believer and denomination has done? Being a many thousand year old book of parables and allegories, it makes sense that you would reject certain parables and elevate others given their relation to the present time's values.
>I can't say when, but I got fed up with all the bs of it. I questioned allot of what I was being taught and when ever I would ask questions, I was silenced or thrown out. So I just quit on it all.
Sounds like the road a lot of the obnoxious athiest fedoramancers go down, until:
>Never stop believing in God, just not what they were saying to believe. In recent times, I been feeling as if my faith is being revitalized when I see how from just 20 years ago, the world has changed so much, it scares the living hell out of me.
I'm happy you kept your faith through all that, and that nothing broke you so badly that it forced you to abandon it for something else. Hang onto it going forward, but always keep that questioning attitude about you.
>I would love to find a good church, a good preacher or priest,
Hate to say it, but you likely won't. Scepticism and introspection are much weaker success strategies for organized religion compared to proselytism and blind dogmatism. Still, you ought to keep looking on the off chance you do find a good church and leader.
>The Church is so divided and there are so many denominations, of which have broke up even further, I am completely at a loss because I don't know which are pure and which have fallen.
Others far more well-versed in Christian history and denominations have told me that Eastern Orthodoxy is one of the most uncorrupted denominations out there. No idea if that's true or not, as I haven't verified this myself, but I do trust the source of the info for what that's worth.
>Because I will never be "that" Christian.
Stick to that gun as long as you're able, my friend.

>>207718
>Isn't this more or less what every believer and denomination has done? Being a many thousand year old book of parables and allegories, it makes sense that you would reject certain parables and elevate others given their relation to the present time's values.

Not completely wrong there. It is why you have so many domination now than ever before. But from what I know, in Christianity, it was more on governance than the rejection of the bible. When you all are reading from the same script it is a matter of direction, when you reject the script, who's show is it? The degradation of the bible's significance has been quite recent, as in only a few hundred years. America was founded "Under God" yet God is nearly all but gone from the founding fathers. The rise of Communism has done everything to stomp it out and now you see thouse claiming to be "Christian" but it is in name only. Even for the Pope, what he speaks isn't anything I ever read in the Bible. Accepting Muslims? Whom kill in the name of their God? That breaks the most serious of commandments, the one that God will never forgive you. Thou, shall not carry my name in vain.

That is my point, everyone will change things about religion to make it more palletable and focuse on many aspects aside from others, yet no one is rejecting what is in it, till now. That is more or less my point unless I suck at explaining things. It is just, I am happy when a few do stand up to defend their faith but it pisses me off each time it is attacked, not like a troll trying to smear it in a raspberry blowing sort of way, but to attack the very core of the religion, rejecting it, and destroying it from the inside out.

Can't say Under God in the Pledge of Allegiance, Can't Pray before a hearing or gathering, can't have a cross on a memorial, can't wear a cross at public school, the pope protects sex offenders and advocates for muslims, and every other domination has accepted homosexuals in marriage and as preachers. It is from the inside and out but effectively, it isn't Christianity anymore. Why I call it a Joke. The only problem is, that it is a cruel one, and I am not laughing.

>>207728
Your sentiments remind me a lot of the Ship of Theseus. It's an old thought experiment that asks how much of an old, rotting ship you can continue to replace and restore until you stop calling it the same ship. Or, as it relates here, how many fundamental parts of your faith get replaced before it becomes, as you say, a joke.
It was only a matter of time before most of the Christian values and customs were iterated upon or replaced, but I do absolutely agree with you that rejecting some key components of it is, quite simply, a terrible idea. Why reject and deny the negatives when they can serve as lessons going forward?
I also agree that America's religious foundations ought to be preserved on, at the very least, a historical level. It was an important part of it, and it ought to be honoured and respected for the role it played, and even for the smaller roles it continues to play.

>Can't say Under God in the Pledge of Allegiance
We had something similar happen in Canada with our national anthem last year.
https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/anthems-canada.html
>On January 31, 2018 legislation was passed to change the English lyrics from “True patriot love in all thy sons command” to “True patriot love in all of us command,” to make it gender neutral.
Frankly, given how brazen the self-appointed intelligentsia are here, I'm shocked they didn't doctor out "God keep our land glorious and free" as well.

It's a tough situation. I'm in the same place as you, OP. It seems it's impossible to find a Church that's not pozzed.

Protestant denominations have completely lost the script. Letting women and (outright) fags into leadership positions quickly results in the destruction of the church body. The Bible has specific condemnations against this, but people completely ignore inconvenient scripture nowadays. They also have a strange obsession with Jew-worship, which never made sense to me. These are the people who killed the Messiah, why the hell would you revere them in any way?

Catholics have the fag problem in spades, but most of them are 'closeted'. The current Pope is an irredeemable piece of shit. I don't know if anything can be done to save it.

Of all denominations, Eastern Orthodox is the closest you'll get to the Original Church, but even they have leadership problems. I've heard that the Russian patriarchs are completely in the pocket of Putin's government, though I'm not sure how true that is.

What I've opted to do is just spend my Sundays doing my own personal Bible study and independent research. It's a lot better than sitting in a pew for 45 minutes each week getting chastised for being a male while being surrounded by degeneracy. Real Christianity is going to go underground as the Progressives march on through the West, tearing things down as they go. As you've come to learn, the true ideas expressed in the Bible are no longer permitted in the modern day.

>>207671
God sends help to those who are humble and hungry. You recognized that there's something wrong, this is better than most Christians. Pray for God's guidance and grace.

Acts 8:26-40 King James Version (KJV)

26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.

27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,

28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.

29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?

35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

>>207671
I can relate. I am new to Christianity but even I can see how it has fallen. Here in Sweden, the largest communion, "Svenska Krykan" partakes in pride: https://www.svenskakyrkan.se/stockholmsstift/pride
My belief is that the church was subverted because it posed a threat to Jewish dominance, therefore, they had to infiltrate and subverted it.
I have been thinking about making a website specifically for nationalist with Christian beliefs but that project will have to wait a bit since I already got a lot on my plate as it is.

Fucking heretics

>>207671
Judge not lest ye be judged
>t. Metaphysicist

>>207758
The problem with these success stories is that the millions of other failure stories don't get promoted. How many have called out to God and then died or suffered anyway. For example abused children.

The other problem is this looks similar to me to communism. God will provide, just wander about and take from others, God's utopia is indistinguishable from communism's promise, or even utopia in general. The promise of utopia, religious or otherwise, is what undoes society. Society is made great by work not leeching. And since work isn't utopic, utopia and successful societies are opposites paths.

Cherry picking is just proof that randomness will eventually produce what you want.

>>207800
>God's utopia is indistinguishable from communism's promise
This is misleading, communism is utopian, but so too is liberalism, and early Christianity. Why? Because liberalism did nothing more then rationalize christian feelings, the feeling of an end state after life where suffering is rewarded was rationalized into a material sense where we are to believe our physical world is coming closer to a utopia if we just hold on a bit longer. Christianity teaches that this perfect world on earth is impossible but the enlightenment teaches us we will reach this, and our people are just now coming to terms that this isn't. Communism broke down, and liberalism when given global dominance didn't give us a utopia, but instead gave us more wars.

The west is in decline but Christianity has nothing really to do with this rather its the lack of a religion that has lead us towards our damnation.

>>207671
Let me present the voice of the Scholar and Mentor, Dr. William Luther Pierce.

A Message to White Christians - William Pierce
https://www.bitchute.com/video/pvzrsozgFFBa/ [Embed]

>>207800
Christianity does not promise utopia. The oposite in fact it guarantees hardship and persecution on Earth. "Gods utopia" ill assume you mean heaven is a reward, not a given as in a utopian vission like communism. Its a reward not easily granted not every believer will make it, it requires works. Probably only the saints make it there right after death, and most believers are destined to neigh eternal purgatory.

>>207752
Oh our history too is under attack amongst our religion. Where statues to confederates are demolished because it, "Hurt mah fee feelings." Communism I can say is at the root of it all, whether the left are fully aware or not. Subversion of America and western civilization. Though I digress, as Christianity is the topic.

>>207755
What you said is true, and it really does scare me greatly on that the true Christians will move underground. God truely save us when Christianity is outlawed and any follower hunted down and prosecuted, or killed. It won't be the first time in history but by God, if it happens again, kiss the world good bye.

PS: I wished I knew more about dominations, what they preach and teach. PPS: there so much that personal study will get you but so many questions I still have. Who the heck do I ask?!

>>207758
With a church so corrupt, sometimes I almost feel like becoming a preacher. But I have so many questions and know so little other than parts that I can remember from the bible. Phillip though spread and shared the word as he knew with others generously, it is all you can do, hoping that your message stays true.

>>207763
Sounds like a good idea, other than that not even Sweeden has freedom of speech. Not even sure if your constitution protects freedom of religion because just on Christianity alone would keep the stern lawman from shutting down such a website. One of the biggest web hosts, GoDaddy, albeit that I use it, is very sensitive of content and considers even "Nationalism" to be "Hate Speech" which it blocks websites. Yeah, funny how in America no one can discriminate against you for religion but HO HO HO only the "Government" you are protected from for free speech.

>>207767
I cast no stones for I know that I am not with out sin.

>>207800
I hope you aren't saying that I am cherry picking, and what I want should be clear, the faith restored and to find a domination that is still true in the sense to the original fundamentals of the bible. I don't want to follow something that rejects the bible. I chose articles that are the most recent, in the news because they here in the US made headlines, plastered on the front page, as if the Left, not the Right, are calling to action in "DO SOMETHING!!! DON'T LET THEM WIN!!!" Yet those who wrote it dare call themselves "Christians".

You are right, it is Communism, "Cultural Communism" and it sickens me.

>>207810
Well said. Communism rejects all religions and faith, especially the faith which is governed by God. As for the US our laws were based that of teachings by God, as God was the highest of Authority. When man no longer places themselves at the top the outlook is towards progressing towards the after and not the now, as communism commits to. Worldly possessions and trying to distribute them equally will only lead to greed, selfishness, and war.

>>207811
Despite strong pro-white retoric, and his statement that "I am a scientist and don't care what the bible has to really say" is just another side of the same coin. Religion shouldn't be weaponized but I don't disagree that it has been subverted, even by the jews, and in turn there too, weaponized against the white race (well European Culture). Yeah it is a double edged sword in this sense and context but yes, the original faith should be preserved just not for selfish gains but because with out preservation, there is only destruction.

>>207814
>Purgatory
Other than Dante's Inferno, what does the bible have to say about it? I been "trying" to research other dominations and there are a few that don't even belive in Purgatory. So where did it come from and why do some belive "once saved always saved", "Just dunk your head underwater and you are gauranteed into heaven" while others say, "you are going to the highest level of hell to work off your debts before you can work into heaven"? These are questions I freaking have and really, who the heck do I talk to?

In general, I have so many questions, SO SO many and everything from Angels to Demons, to where did this who hierarchy between the two come from? Why do some say that Satan and the Devil, and Lucifer are completely different beings? We have a Trinity, but it is monothestic? If God is the Father and creator of the universe and Man, and Jesus is the Son of God (which some argue whether or not God in human form or the true son) Then what is the Holy Spirit and why does NO ONE ever mention it outside speaking about the "trinity" (Honestly, I always sorta looked at it like the US government. Just call the Government God. We have Legislate, Executive and Judicial branches all work together but independent, that is how I see the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. My guess being the Father is Executive, Son is Judicial, and Spirit Legislative. But who the heck knows, I tried asking the same question when I was like 6 years old and got thrown out of the church)

>>207825
Don't look too deeply or you'll realize we are just making shit up to explain peoples brain malfunctions! STOP LOOKING BEHIND THE CURTAIN!!!

>>>/vx/90134 → and surrounding posts. Be happily deluded!

<--- Happiness | Truth --->

>>207825
I only know about Catholic resources but their is the Catechism of the Catholic church that states most every belief the church has. Their is also the Epistles. If you need to talk to someone there are priest and deacons. As well as the arguments of the various theologians that you can subscribe to if you find it convincing.

>>207671
I still go to church to this day. Though it is one of those singing along churches, motivation, and some life story lessons. I always feel warm in there, but I’m a afraid I’m such a bad example of a christian. I’m just a guy who goes to chirch to get some motivation and move on with my life. But I wouldn’t let any crazy communist or leftist to tell me that my religion is “out of date” or my belief is offensive. (No, I’m not referring to atheists I accept them not believing God). My family still hold the belifs but we tried to live a regular life. Again, not much of a I’m not a good example of a christian.

>>207825
>I been "trying" to research other dominations and there are a few that don't even belive in Purgatory. So where did it come from and why do some belive "once saved always saved"
Purgatory is layed out as a necesity as a place for sinners to pay their dues and remove their sin. Here are some parts in scripture that allude to it:

>Make friends quickly with your accuser, while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison; truly I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny (Matthew 5:25-26).
>For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble—each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.(Corinthians 3:11-15)

Both show that a place for sinners to pay their dues and enter through flames in necessary for a christian cosmology. I don't know why some prods don't believe in it thought that would be a first for me knowing some denominations are even bigger heretics then I would have thought.

>These are questions I freaking have and really, who the heck do I talk to?
I mean you can always talk to ____me____. Or Catholic Answers thats where I go when I don't know something. Or just reading hte church fathers if you really want to, its dense but is worth while. Like did you know that aborted children might not go to heaven but might be stuck in Limbo? Which would make the supposed crime of abortion not only bad but outright evil.

If it makes you better, OP, there was this incident where this guy made a hastag #exposecheistianschool. I checked the media and long behold, The Mary Sue and some media outlets are agreeing it, but when I go to, god forbid, Twitter, there were Christians genuinely holding their beliefs and calling them out. A while back somewhere in 2017 there were christians attending this “christian privilege” thing and they peacefully tries to correct them about it if I can remember. Yes I think Christians do have some privileges but not to the point where the world favors them.

I'm just trying to help you to at least see a silver lining, OP. I could be wrong and didn’t pay attention. Maybe. But hey, there’s always a bright side of everything. Sometimes.

Everything divides and fights itself. How else can there be a victor?

>>207825
You've been asking a lot of really good questions about your own faith, questions I can't help but notice are strikingly similar to many of the questions I asked myself on my own journey through religion in general. That government analogy in particular was very well put, and shows a lot of thought and insight into the subject.
I realize this may be seen as a bit of a derailment, but at this stage I think I need to ask you a bit of a different question.

Why is it that you believe in Christianity? How does it enrich your life?

And interesting video about how "Progressiveness" is the State doctrine.
How is derived from Christian beliefs and it has reached its current status as a non theological religion.

- Political Trichotomy: The American State Religion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEVueG9oLro [Embed]

>>207842
What is your Domination if I may ask?

I like the last statement you have there from Corinthians. Though makes me question if it is actually speaking of purgatory or how every man, even on earth will be tried, especially when in Revelations, it is revealed that "like silver" will be cleansed repeatedly till pure. Fire has always seemed to be alluded to as being the final trial and with the passage that you gave, is the reasoning why. When everything burns, what will remain?

[YouTube] What's the Difference between Christian Denominations? [Embed]
[YouTube] What's the Difference between Christian Denominations? [Embed]
[YouTube] What is the difference between Catholics and Protestants? [Embed]

These are three videos that I watched the other day and it really is more of "Here are the bullet points." but doesn't tell me anything beyond that. Just like in one of the videos they talk about the whole "once saved always saved" but explains nothing really of how that came into being, what the reasoning is behind it nor anything. Just as with Purgatory, I don't know much of anything about it beyond what is mentioned in Dante's Inferno, which I have read. It kinda to me is very frightening and not to far off from how the afterlife in every other religion is. And I take "Mythology" to be religion. Norse, Greek and Egyptian all speak of this place to which the dead go, then layers of it, down to the deepest layer where all the most evil reside. But even the highest layer, is still apart of Hell. That is the most frightening, not even a place outside of hell, but in hell. It is why I have way to many questions.

>>207850
Aye, as I said earlier. I am proud when the few do fight back but angry of how often it is attacked and the ratio of thouse who attack it is far greater than thouse whom defend it. That is the most heart breaking of them all.

I guess it takes many years to see the whole picture, like a mosaic you know things have been changing over time, changing the picture. But when you work at one tile at a time, you can't understand what is becoming of something, till enough is changed then you step back to see how ugly it has turned. Now you only wished that you had the same foresight back then, when such efforts to preserve would have greater effect.

(In a nutshell) It didn't take much to change the faith into what it is today. Time is what made it great, now there is too much at it is too late. It will have to take an even greater effort to change it back and preserve it.

>>207860
I don't know how to explain it really. Perhaps a metaphor. I think of everyone like a piece of Marble, a huge block taken from the side of the mountain. Everyone is apart of that mountain, what is God. Through out lives, we are influenced by God, by others, and the events in our lives and each one chips a little bit from that marble block, shaping it into something, like a great sculptor trying to create a work of art. However there be times where events of your life chips at you too much and changes the outlook of what is to come. Sometimes this changes you so dramatically that you become ugly, other times just means that perhaps what was once though now becomes something else, sometimes even more beautiful.

Thoughout my own life, I have had questioned everything but the presence of God. No matter what, there have been things in my life that just can't be explained. Logic and Science just can't make up for all the events in my life. My parents as I were quite young used to drag all of us, siblings too, to church. When the public schools became a menace, because of discrimination (a longer story) my parents opted to put us in a private school which all private schools of the area, were christian. Some were way more dogmatic than others and some, quite liberal. I got sick of it all. The false worship, the praise and not a single one ever done anything more than skim the bible, cherry pick and try to justify their own intentions. You knew something was wrong but couldn't finger it.

As I rejected Christianity, or how I saw it, my own parents thought I was an Atheist. The truth was that I always believed in God, never doubting, but just not the spoon fulls of utter garbage that the "church" was feeding. I looked into other religions a bit as well during this time. From Buddism to Taoism but even though their religions taught strong morals, they never acknowledged God outright, at lest from my studies, and even though I can respect the two other religions, I knew there WAS a higher power.

Now, today, I look at the world through a new lens. Back at my past 20 years ago and see how corrupt it has become. I am saddened by it. I remember vaguely of a passage of knowing evil, comparing people to that of fruit and that albeit hidden at first, only evil bears fruit with thorns. Cultural Marxism, I never knew of it till after I left college, and I questioned,"What the hell were they trying to push on me? All this 'White man are evil', 'Christainity is evil'." yet, I never seen more evil than the avocation to kill infant children, to welcome an entire race bent to our annihilation and destruction of our culture. And how they lash out and strike down all who oppose. Thorns coat and cover them. And if the devil himself can walk amongst the earth in plain sight, then God must too be watching from afar, judging, and waiting patiently for the day he will cleanse the world and everyone be tried.

It is why I have felt so strongly my faith revitalized in recent times, because I see everyone clinging to the cliff and the desperation in it.

I am by no means not a sinner, by no means pure, but I know who's side is pure, and which is evil. My faith gives me hope, hope in that there is still good in Humanity, still some, but a few, that feel the same about this world as well as the next.

It is just hard to put everything into context.

>>207986
Yeah. For now, it’s painful too see a man arrested for preaching Jesus just because someone said it’s “islamphobic” God that word still sounds stupid but there’s always a slim hope in the dark. Here take this video for example.
https://youtu.be/4WiktfMIH7U [Embed]
I’ll highlight some moments from the video.

>Conservative christians stopped this BIG acceptance on lgbt and some oppose of it if, from what I understand.
>Christians are outgrowing Islam at this moment
>Christians take back their Methodist church
Hope it give some of us in this thread some glimmer of hope.

>>207995
As much as I don't like islam, I kind if hope Christianity outgrows islam at some point too.
>Islamophobia will always sound stupid.

>>207993
Before I start, I'd like to thank you for your detailed reply. It's not very often I get to discuss this kind of subject in such an open and constructive manner.

Your marble analogy was very thoughtful and poignant, and the portion about the events in our lives shaping us is very similar to my own outlook on it. I've always had an appreciation for psychology, and it's ability to quantify what and how the events in our lives (especially during our formative years) will impact us.
Psychological wounds aren't all that dissimilar to physical wounds. Too much trauma will cripple you for good (the ugly statue), but some is needed to give your life definition and to help forge you (the beautiful statue).

It's interesting how your life and mine diverge, yet our inquisitorial sides are very similar. Speaking for myself, I was raised irreligious on purpose so I would be free to choose whatever faith I wanted. I searched for a while, until I asked myself: "Do I really need this"? I had no problems with my state of irreligion, had no existential quandaries about life and death, and I found the answers that the faiths provided me were insufficient and often contradictory. Thus, my search ended, and to this day, I still have no prescient need for it in my life, though it took me a long time to fully respect it's effects on others.
We may not agree on the existence of a higher power, though we're of like minds about finding our present answers insufficient, about branching out, and about studying further into the truth of both our world and our own beliefs.

After getting over my fedora tipping edgelord phase, I couldn't help but notice the bizarre politicization of atheism; of how something ostensibly about irreligion and only irreligion would be simultaneously pressing issues of race, gender, identity and whatnot into it's agenda. Sure enough, digging into it revealed intersectionality, which in turn led to the discovery of Cultural Marxism, and from there I began to realize just how poisonous it was. When pressed on these issues, these so-called irreligious individuals responded with the very righteous indignation they accused their religious counterparts of, and I quickly learned just how shallow their understanding really was; the very same lack of understanding you identified in the cherry-picking, poorly read, falsely worshipping and dogmatic Christians.
An oft-cited accusation from the dogmatic Christian side, the accusation of atheism being a religion unto itself? That, as it turns out, was absolutely true, but not for the reasons either side thought.

The experience was all at once edifying, humbling, and eye opening, and over the next several years, I was forced by my own critical standards to confront my own biases, to rethink everything I knew. Like you, I came out of it with a new lens with which to view things through. I'll never forgive the likes of Marxism, of the Frankfurt School, for turning what was supposed to be a real, respectable alternative, or even successor, to prior Christian thought into their political cudgel. It reminds me a lot of Darth Sidious warping Anakin into Darth Vader, if that analogy works. To see Marxism implode as spectacularly as it is now has been nothing short of delightful for me; seeing the faux atheists exposed as the brainless dogmatic hacks that they really are, taking their marching orders and abdicating any and all independent thought and introspection, just like the false worshippers you see in your own camp.
I maintain a hope that once the dust clears, we may see a kind of renaissance of secular thought, only without the hooks of Marxism dug in to puppeteer it around. The Luke Skywalker to the Darth Vader, if you want to continue the analogy.

Whew, sorry about the ramble, but I thought it was necessary to help contextualize things. You're right, it's very hard to do. Still, interesting how the more things change, the more they stay the same.

I may be able to answer your question on finding a church and a priest to follow. Unfortunately, it's the same answer both I and >>207755 found: doing your own study and developing your own views independently. It's a definite trial, and you'll have a lot of material to sift through, a lot to think about, and a lot of questions for both yourself and for your God. However, believe me when I say you're already most of the way there: that questioning mindset of yours is the lion's share of the work already done. You have all the tools already, all you need to do is go through the material and ask the questions until you eventually find your answers.
I'm not suggesting you should abandon your faith outright, far from it: you should strive to keep such a deep, integral part of yourself working and healthy for as long as you are able to. There's absolutely no need to fix what isn't broken. That desire you have to see your faith fixed, to reform what's broken, is an admirable thing. Use it to your advantage, let it help in your quest for finding your truth.
The reward for your efforts, true contentment and understanding of yourself, is a priceless one. But never forget that the answers should be yours, and yours alone. Draw inspiration from others as much as you want, but if you value the ability to look at yourself in a mirror, do not ever just copy another person's answers.

This was probably quite a scattered post, but I hope it helps you, anon. And hey, if we're both wrong, and we end up scaling the Mountain of Knives deep within Diyu's depths, I'll be glad to climb it with you.

>>207985
Roman Catholic, though I'm without a doubt not happy with the political direction of The Church. But truthfully no orthodox Catholic has been since the time of Dante, which he illustrated in his book with all the damned in Hell that sinned even if they were a member of The Church.

>Though makes me question if it is actually speaking of purgatory or how every man, even on earth will be tried
Read the next point then come back to this one. So we can see that fire=/=second coming. We know that Jesus said "and you be put in prison" and "you will never get out till you have paid the last penny" in regards to leaving no ill will on earth. This indicates our actions in life need to be fixed on earth or less our sins will necessitate we stay in a prison till our debt of sin has been payed. The next portion further explains this with how this place is dealt with that is if one is firm in life he will be able to endure and enter into the kingdom of heaven; however, if one is weaker spiritually but not evil then "he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved" indicating he will enter into heaven but not imminently and moreover "but only as through fire" indicating it will be through purification of sin. Thus purgatory seems to be necessary as a place for man who is weaker to enter into to become purified from his sin.

>Fire has always seemed to be alluded to as being the final trial
Eh, gotta disagree here. Fire is a symbol of cleansing more then a final culmination of Jesus' return. Fire is spoken of in the second coming since those who have sin on earth must be ride of it through fire in order to enter into heaven. Pentecost, or when the tongues of flame descended onto his followers, was not a symbol of the second coming but a symbol of purity of word. They were given the task of spreading God's word that day so the tongues of flames were granted on them to indicate their words were pure. At least that's how I've always seen it.

>talk about the whole "once saved always saved"
I mean I think this idea has more to do with root ideas of protestant movements so justification of grace through faith and per-destination. I'd look into those instead, although I find both to be rather hollow myself.

>That is the most frightening, not even a place outside of hell
You see this is where the English language is at fault more then anything else. Which is why you need to be careful when looking at this. In Latin, Greek, and Hebrew there are two places that can be used to describe hell. The first place used to describe hell is what we know in the English language as hell. It is the entirety of what isn't heaven which is why it encompasses purgatory, the anti-inferno, and limbo. However, in the ancient languages they have another location of hell they speak of, which is known as Gehenna. This place is talked about in the Inferno of the Divine Comedy as all parts under the first circle of hell. In the Catholic Apostles Creed it is chanted that Jesus descended into hell. He did, and its where he took the souls in Limbo that honored God's covenant out. However, he did not descend into Gehenna.

>>208015

I just recall the statement taught unto me, "The first time it was a trial by water, the next time it will be a trial by fire". And so afterwards everything after the great flood was speaking on trials of fire, alluding to the second coming. But I agree, yeah, fire does cleanse many things. I am not disagreeing with you, just stating how I came to view that way.

Catholics and Protestants, yeah they have some big differences, apparently, but I want to learn more about the actual beliefs between everything. From the videos I posted earlier, again it was mostly bullet points and explained nothing. That simply isn't good enough for me.

The most funny and peculiar things is when the bible references Hades as to Hell and even Tartarus. All dead in Greek Mythos will go to Hades, no matter how pure they are. However only the most of evil along with the titans will be locked in Tartarus. Norse is simular with Niflheim being where all dead go and Hel, the as of Tartarus. No matter what, the land of the dead is always where all dead go, evil included, there is no heaven, per say. Norse will break a bit with Vahalla but that is more reserved. (not to derail from christianity but trying to bring context) Purgatory, Hell, and Heaven it seems to of carried on through out the ages and religion yet my biggest question would be why would you lump those that have sinned, and accept Jesus Christ and lord and savior with those that reject Jesus, and break every commandment, from murder, to carrying Gods name in vain? Even if Purgatory is "seperate" from Hell, isn't it just another room in the same house?

You speak of Purgatory and Gehenna but as I stated before, they don't seem all to seperate. Purgatory seems as if the first room of the house you enter into, a lobby if you will, not as a train station with a track going both ways. It is what makes it more frightening I say, because even if you are there, devoted to God, to work off your sin, who is to say the devils below can't try to pull you beneath? I guess here is where I have other questions also alluding to the afterlife.

>Hell is Eternal Damnation
I heard this one countless times, nothing but fire and brimstone where you burn in agrony for all eternity, but here is one question I had for a very long time. Can you die after death?

>In the end of days, there will be a great battle at Apocalypse.
Well, it is said the Devil is forming an army of the damned, but this is where my curiousity kicks in full swing. Why? Does he really expect to kill an army of angles? Can angels die? Can the damned who have been in eternal agrony be killed again, permanently? I remember the ending though, no battle will come but Jesus will open his mouth and all the damned will perish. But it still begs the question before, during, and between, is life after death truly eternal or can you die?

The most odd thing is Egyptian Mythos, which after being judged, will go on to "heaven" but not before 100 trials or better. Only afterwards, it is just like reliving on earth and you can in fact die, again, but more permanent. The whole "book of the dead" was not some mystic black slate that raises the dead, as hollywood made it out to be, but a text to guide you through this new world so you don't winde up dead a second time. Funny thing, Dante's Divine comedy sorta is as the same thing, a guide through purgatory, hell and redemption. Though there were "close calls" with Dante in the comedy, beyond agony, I think the fear of death, is something rather concerning.

And Oh boy, do I have a bunch of other questions.

>>208006
I rabbled on too. I remember hearing someone say once, "The Church is where ever the people congregate." Who knows how others feel about that to be honest. I have a million questions, perhaps a million more. And yet I befallen ignorant of many things to dare call myself Christain. Sad as it is, most has been due to rejection of what other so called pyrite Christians (think they are golden but false) or perhaps Marigold Christians (brit slang for rubber gloves, they wish to "protect" themselves from true Christianity) have been preaching.

When all you been taught were falsehoods, you are ignorant of the truth. Perhaps the reasoning behind you not "needing" religion is because, what true religion out there hasn't turned to absolute filth? Subjected to influence by Marxism, and broken where the truth is hidden?

I do hope so there are thouse who wish to revitalize the faith, protect it, and there is a whole movement that seeks to stomp out Marxism. A new Renaissance, where science is science, religion is religion and the weaponization of politicalization is kept far from it.

>>208021
>I am not disagreeing with you, just stating how I came to view that way.
No problem just trying to also give you an alternative view on the matter.

>but I want to learn more about the actual beliefs between everything
List what you want to know out and I'll try to impartial answer some. Maybe someone with more protestant understanding here can also attempt to balance out what may be a more Catholic understanding I have but I'll try and give prods a fair hearing to any big questions you want answered that differ between the two groups.

>yet my biggest question would be why would you lump those that have sinned, and accept Jesus Christ and lord and savior with those that reject Jesus, and break every commandment, from murder, to carrying Gods name in vain?
To Dante this answer was indicated in the contrapposto, that is those who have sinned in different severity will suffer according to their sin and its severity (he used Aristotle's ideas of severity of crime which is in ranked according to Plato's appetite, action, and mind ideas in terms of crime.) But this idea is merely a Christian poetic idea of Hell, it isn't necessarily true but is merely a hypothesis of the afterlife which we will not know of till we ourselves enter into it. Till then we can attempt ot rationalize ideas of how this can be/cannot be. Personally I find Dante to be a fun and compelling answer to this idea; however, I can only trust in God's absolute justice and love to satisfy the way the damned will be.

>devoted to God, to work off your sin, who is to say the devils below can't try to pull you beneath
Well its the same reason why Hell exists, something that is difficult for us to understand today but was all too easy for the Christians of Dante's time. That is the world is one of God's order in Christian cosmology this means that the way God orders things is made to be in God's image. So if God makes a place where you will be to work off sin then God cannot will it to be a place for you to be dragged to Hell less it make God a discordant God, which is not how Christians recognize him to be (thought the Greeks and Romans saw their gods as such.) This idea is hard for us to understand due to how chaotic our current world is and how devoid of hierarchic the world we live in has become, but Dante understood this perfectly and so too did the Christians of his time. Thus if God makes it as a place for us to ascend (which scripture would imply) then God would not make it as a place to descend into. Just like how Limbo is in Hell God would not make those in Limbo descend into Gehenna.

>Can you die after death?
No your body does not exist in the afterlife and the soul is believed to be eternal. So you cannot die.

>but this is where my curiosity kicks in full swing. Why?
Never heard of this army of the damned honestly, wanna link me to scripture or video/article you heard this in?
>Can angels die
No angle's are spiritual entities and cannot die.

>Dante's Divine comedy sorta is as the same thing
Interesting thought I honestly don't know enough about the Egyptian myths and their cultural works; however, I would not doubt that it may be analogous to the Divine Comedy.

>>208024
If only I could "link" you to some of the things that were preached down to me. I heard time and time again "The Devil is making an army of the damned" and "Will you fight alongside God, or be cast down to the eternal pits of hell." I am not sure where though I heard or perhaps read even about Apocolypse being one of the hills/valleys outside Jerusalem which the "final battle" will take place. I remember even such things on the History Channel of all things speaking about "The End of the World" and I think one of the programs was called the "Nostradamus Effect".

It is just the things I recall.

Also, looked up Gehenna, stubled on the ever so acurate Wikipedia (sarcasm) But here is one thing that struck out, before I even read your post as you wrote there after.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna
>Matthew 10:28: "....rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul [Greek: ψυχή] and body in Gehenna."
This suggests, at least how I see it, that the soul can "die" or be destroyed. And yet again, I become confounded.

There are also allot of things in Egyptian mythos which strongly diverge from Christianity, they aren't the same, though through out any religion, there are bits of similarity. How The Book of the Dead serves and a guide in the Afterlife,I see Dante's to be sorta the same. Both telling tales of where to go, what to do, how not to become lost or perish, at least more so in the Book of the Dead. However the Book of the Dead have allot of other things well beyond Christian beliefs, such as spells. Spells are quite odd though as it doesn't work as magic we take, more like manifestations of keys to puzzles. Like transforming so you aren't eaten, or staving off starvation, mostly because the whole afterlife is one big trial. I got really curious in Egypt way back in the day, Father had a chance to visit it back around 93 so I took to learning more of it.

Shamelessly bumping this. My hope is more speak about domination, the differences, and which may still be pure, as opposed to all the crap troubling Christianity today.

>>207674

>[after the protestant reformation]"Access to previously unknown works of ancient science and philosophy introduced to an educated public the pagan epistemic values that would pave the way for the Scientific Revolution of the 17th century."

>"Louis Blanc saw Jesus Christ as the “sublime master of all socialists” and socialism as the “gospel in action."
>'jesus said helping those in need is good. = communism'
choosing to give =/= being forced to give

>using words like primitive Christianity, Protestant radicals, 'communistic socio-economic practices' = charity,

>"His ((( [Marx's] ))) neo-Christian religious beliefs (jewish) must be regarded as the only real historical successor of orthodox Christianity"
Judaism =/= real Christianity. also,
post-Christian atheism =/= real Christianity

This is some 0/10, F- tier history. Changing basic facts to fit a narrative so forced, it makes Marx sound like a sound economist. If pagans want to be white-nationalist atheists, at least admit it. Rather than have a love hate relationship with Christianity, whilst claiming that they believe in gods like Odin yet denying their existence and cherry-picking myths to twist them into what they believe subjectively harder than the Christians they criticize for cherry-picking.
You don't believe in Jesus, your loss.
You don't believe in any god, wow! another post-Christian morality, how's following the crowd going for ya? *tips fedora*.
Again, if you're going to be a pagan, be a pagan, if you're going to deny all gods, admit you're an atheist. Pick one

paganism is has no hard moral dogma, at best only stories
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/11/asatru-heathenry-racism/543864/
>"there’s a certain fragility at The faith's core. As the modern iteration of pre-Christian pagan worship, Ásatrú is a very young religion. And it’s less a single codified religion than a loose cluster of religions: It has no central authority or agreed-upon dogma. Although many followers cherish this ideological openness, it may leave the religion vulnerable to misappropriation."
>"A founder of the Alliance for Inclusive Heathenry, she also spoke at the Frith Forge conference. Back home in Berkeley, she’s considering submitting an essay that uses the myth of Ragnarök—an apocalyptic event featuring floods and fires—to offer a heathen view on climate change"
>"it’s an established fact that Vikings borrowed from many faith groups, including Muslims. “The conclusion I’ve come to,” Paxson said, “is that the most traditional approach is adoptive.”"
>"Asked if he’s trying to make Ásatrú theology “racist-proof,”"

tl;dr the article is dumb, and paganism is really white-nationalist atheism.

>>208984
>and paganism is really white-nationalist atheism
Not so.
To understand paganism you have to read ancient texts older than the Bible. For example the "Book of Enoch" and "Emerald Tablets of Thoth", then an whole universe will open before you. The Bible is a fake, obfuscated, and deceiving narrative, twisted to serve the Abrahamic narratives. Those who read the Bible usually give up and rely on priests, pastors and other interpreters to found some sense to many passages, but, the ancient books are straight forward and give the unadulterated wisdom and facts.
Look for them on Jewtube and around the web.

>The Book of Enoch Complete
[YouTube] Book of Enoch | COMPLETE Narration [Embed]
>Emerald Tablets of Thoth Complete
[YouTube] Emerald Tablets of Thoth [The Original] [Embed]

>>210168
While i don't Agree with your position on things, i believe we should unite against our (((common enemy))).

>>210218
>i believe we should unite against our (((common enemy))).
Of course. Without any doubt.