/mlpol/ - My Little Politics

I am by no means knowledgeable about this theme, but as I understand it, and would speculate, is that it has to do with baptism. Jesus renounced the ways of the moneylenders and was baptised. This way he made a pact with God and had shown the way for others.
Also the fact that Jesus was born from a virgin would suggest that it is fully possible, and perhaps likely, that Jesus didn't share any of the genetics from Mary, but was solely of God and Mary was the vessel to bring Jesus into the world.

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>>206081
About the sieges in 597 and 586 BC: Daniel mentions that he was taken captive some years before Jehoiachin was. So Nebuchadnezzar took Jews captive before that.
The Babylonian captivity lasted 70 years. We subtract 70 therefore from Israel's punishment (determined by the amount of days that Ezekiel lay on his right and left sides) which was 430 years, and we get 360 years. Israel fell into sin (again), so the remainder is multiplied by 7 according to Leviticus 26; This gives us 2,520 years. Using the 360-day Hebrew calendar, that totals 907,200 days. Converting back to our calendar: 2,485 years and five months left.
>it's 2,485 years and five months from 538 BC when Cyrus freed the Jews to May 14 1948 when Israel became a nation again.

Jesus was born of Mary, who was an Israeli woman. But nearly equally important is Jesus's lineage on his earthly father's side. That line goes back to king David, and Christ's placement in the Davidic line is a fact of the Gospels despite the fact that He was conceived in divinity. Many Jews argued that Jesus did not have heritage from the seed of David, which was a requirement of the Messiah; this is why Matthew and Luke put the genealogical lines into their accounts. (Matthew's follows Joseph, and Luke's follows Mary, Patriarchally through her husband "Joseph, son of Heli". The Jews did not have a noun for "Son-in-law.
But you're correct; God's son is not "merely" a Jew, but the Son of Man; what we truly are, and can be, living outside of our flesh and with an uncorrupt spirit. His sacrifice was made for all mankind and the fact that He is Jewish proves that God keeps His promises.
Christ is the word, and it was by Him that the world itself was made. The nation He comes from are just a part of the testimony that His life holds, of the ENTIRE story, and its conclusion which is yet to be but soon to come.
Many ashkenazi Jews (those of the Synagogue of Satan) will tell you otherwise, that Jesus was not a Hebrew; especially not of the line of David, and by this they tell themselves that He cannot be Messiah. But He is.
Now you say that Catholicism was the next church, but that's not right. The Bible never mentions the Catholic church specifically. The church is the body of Christ, those who walk in Him and obey Him because they love Him, knowing that they are loved in return by He who knows them inside and out. The church is made up of those who have peace in Christ, but constant war is waged on it and few churches (in my opinion) are actually "Christian". Whether you are in a Catholic church or in a Protestant church, or even in the Orthodox churches of the east or the Coptic churches in Ethiopia, are part of the body of Christ. There are people worshipping underground in China and North Korea, and they also are part of the church.
You are correct that those in the church are bonded to the covenant of Abraham by their faith and the fulfillment of Christ's sacrifice, and that every Jew is subject to the same standards therein and no longer have bearing over the gentiles. The division between wheat and tares has not changed though, and those who are good in heart are good in heart, and those who are not, are not. Jesus says we shall know good trees by the fruit they bear. In that respect we can see why Jesus had to come in the first place. God's chosen people, the Israelites, are just as imperfect as every other nation, and were chosen because of the covenants that God chose to make because they pleased Him, and not because the Jews were not bound to falter continually. They were. The few good Hebrew kings are outweighed by the many that were worse; and bear in mind that the 12 tribes were actually only together for 120 years before the rebellion that separated Israel and Judah.
The kingdom of Israel including all of the 12 tribes lasted from c. 1050—931 BC. Saul for 40 years, David for 40 years, and then Solomon for another 40 years.
A large part of Paul's battles were fought against Judaic so-called "Christians" who tried to convince new believers, gentiles mostly, that they had to obey every single Jewish commandment and live their lives according to Jewish tradition. Paul noted how the sanctification of believers was not to take place until the next resurrection anyways, and that holiness in one's life took precedent over traditions observed. Many of the precepts that God set in the Old Testament were in regard to separating them from the countless evil nations that surrounded them, but given that they were no better at following them, and indeed could pretend to observe them all and yet miss the point entirely (prime example being how the Jews that held influence in Judea during the time of Rome ignorantly killed Jesus, fulfilling prophecy without even acknowledging it) it is safe to say that much of the Jewish tradition is "reduced", having still importance in scripture but not requiring literal observance. But the Ten Commandments stand. Even more, this stands, that we should as Jesus said "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first commandment. And the second is like it: Love thy neighbor as you love yourself."

TLDR: Jesus's Jewish lineage is fulfillment of prophecy in the Old Testament. But anyone who believes in Christ is grafted onto the covenant God made with Abraham, of eternal life and inheritance of the Kingdom, and a Jew who is evil will be the same in the Judgment as a gentile who is evil, and vice versa; for Abraham had faith even though he had no idea what God was about to do. So all the moreso, we should have faith, having the word with us preserved by our Lord and the example of Jesus the Christ. Christ's sacrifice made it so that the Jews no longer held direct connection to God, but rather any who believed on Christ and His sacrifice for us. That is why the veil was torn in the temple when Christ gave up His spirit and died on the cross at Calvary.

Just to clarify the church subject.

>>206142
>that image title and filename
Christianity is entirely different from Judaism, and concerns the salvation of the entire world, completely apart from the Abrahamic era, Judaism, and the related traditions/people groups involved. It involves faith in believing that Christ died on that cross and was raised again, and salvation by that faith through the grace of God; nothing else.
Islam arose as an expanding force to conflict against Christendom and the ideals it was built upon. You don't seem to want to acknowledge this, but the Judeo-Christian values we hold today are an essential ingredient of legal systems and courtrooms everywhere, even if many places have diluted it as such that it is unrecognizable next to the Bible itself. When Constantine made Christianity the official religion of Rome those changes were bound to happen, and no one can deny that. So why reduce Christianity to a mere subgroup of Judaism?
That chart is very interesting but it is incorrect. Christianity is not a part or facet of Judaism, nor is it a faction stemming from it. It is the fulfillment of what God had intended all along; where God does something for mankind, rather than the other way around; that any who believe in Him and love Him and their fellow man will be saved. That is why the calendar was changed to reflect Christ's life. We didn't change the calendar for Muhammad or Joseph Smith (Mormon "prophet") because they're absolute nutjobs with no prophetic fulfillment or divine nature. Muhammad married a six-year-old and consummated the marriage when she was nine. Joseph Smith led a life of polygamy and had married perhaps 33 women by the time he died.
The Jews, of course, had many many prophets through the times of judges and kings, from the wilderness till the time that Israel dispersed from the captivity. But all of those prophets were men of faith and good hearts who were exposing the evil of the other Jews in the nation, who did not have their hearts right with God and His commandments.

>>206164
And how did Constantine make Christianty the official religion of Rome? Surely it wasn't by force or mass killings

>>206164
>You don't seem to want to acknowledge this
Yes, I do.
And I repeat my above statement, the chart is meant to clarify how religions and their congregations developed.
Most people have no idea about this, and knowing it gives a different perspective.

>>206281
Christianity is not a subtype of Judaism and those who are Christians are not jews. A key element of the Christian faith is its availability to gentiles, and its separation from Jewish religious orders, culture, and tradition. Christianity stands alone irregardless of its undeniable connections to Jewish faith and heritage as the good news. Judaism is separate. "Christianity" should be next to Judaism, and Islam next to that; and then you may show the differentiations therein. That is why everyone calls them the three Abrahamic faiths. They are all separate. Not every son of Abraham is Jewish.
The "perspective" given by that chart is incorrect, historically and doctrinally, concerning the Gospel. "What Kind of Jew are You" is a ridiculous title for an otherwise organized visual
If you had read the Bible you would know that most of those who follow Islam are Ishmaelites, NOT Jacobites nor Ashkenazis claiming to be Jews; and in fact Islamic fundamentalists dislike Judaism greatly. Many Hebrews converted to Islam, but most ran away from the quickly expanding cult. The chart is otherwise correct and maintains an accurate order and chronology of the branches of Judaism and Islam, but the religious connections that the chart is attempting to make are unfounded.
Christianity is something new, separate from but not destroying the Law, and therefore, separate from but not undermining the Old Testament.
Much of Jewish tradition is unbiblical and does not pertain to Christianity. In fact, I would say it's obvious that only the Old Testament, and no other Judaic tradition or writings save the Book of Enoch, are actually relevant in this age.
But my point is that the subgroups do not matter, and the original idea of the one true God is what does matter; A God that asks you to love Him with all your heart, all your mind, and all your strength; and to love your neighbor as you love yourself.
The developments of the specific congregations are interesting but irrelevant since Messiah already has already come and lay down the example for us to follow; and His next coming will be the End, and yet only the beginning.

>>206142
>Baptist
>Under Catholic
Hahaha no, Catholics hate Baptists

>>206306
>Hahaha no, Catholics hate Baptists
Yeah because Baptists are Catholic heroics. Same with all prods.
>>206142
>Le ebin Christian = Jewish
Jews killed Jesus. His message to salvation was rejected by his own people so they are damned while he offered it to us. On the other hand modernity has largely been made from Anglos and Jews. Jew and Anglos are evil and need to have their worldviews rejected. This includes the Anglo idea that Christianity and Jewidism are equal, its not, its only the similarity between the Anglo and Jew you are witnessing and imposing on others.