>A Belgian region has banned halal and kosher slaughter unless the animal is stunned before it is killed, despite critics saying it violates freedom of religion.
>The northern region of Flanders is the first in Belgium to implement the ban, followed by the southern region of Wallonia in September.
>When proposed, the law was slammed as 'the greatest assault on Jewish religious rights since Nazi occupation' by the European Jewish Congress.
>Some say that the ban is less about animal rights, and more about anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.
>'It is impossible to know the true intentions of people,' Rabbi Yaakov David Schmahl, a rabbi in Antwerp, the capital of Flanders, told the New York Times.
>'Unless people state clearly what they have in mind, but most anti-Semites don't do that.
>They hope the lawsuits will see the ban, which they argue violates freedom of religion under EU law, lifted later this year.
>Several countries including Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland and New Zealand already prohibit un-stunned slaughter.
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>>196868
They bind the animal, slit its throat, and let it slowly bleed out while fully conscious.
More humane forms of slaughter generally involve some means of instant death, such as the use of a captive bolt gun to instantly destroy the animal's brain.
They bind the animal, slit its throat, and let it slowly bleed out while fully conscious.
More humane forms of slaughter generally involve some means of instant death, such as the use of a captive bolt gun to instantly destroy the animal's brain.
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>Belgium's Muslim and Jewish communities have expressed their opposition to the law, saying halal and kosher requires the animal to be in 'perfect health' when its throat is cut - which would rule out stunning the animal first.
>Some say that the ban is less about animal rights, and more about anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.
Jews and Muslims uniting under the banner of barbaric ritual animal slaughter will never not be funny to me.
>Some say that the ban is less about animal rights, and more about anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.
Jews and Muslims uniting under the banner of barbaric ritual animal slaughter will never not be funny to me.
>>196875
>Isn't meat worse of a flavor due to that?
That it is. It's also less tender.
>A release of adrenaline triggers a change in the pH (the acidity) of the meat. Muscle tension triggered by adrenaline (stress) is not the same as simply tensing a muscle when it is being worked. Working a muscle allows the tension to disappear as soon as the muscle relaxes again. But stress-induced tension doesn’t disappear just because the muscles stop working. Stress causes a chemical response that is designed to ‘prepare’ the muscle for action. And those chemicals don’t just disappear the moment the threat or discomfort goes away. The body actually has to break down those chemicals and expel them from the body through the vital organs.
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>Isn't meat worse of a flavor due to that?
That it is. It's also less tender.
>A release of adrenaline triggers a change in the pH (the acidity) of the meat. Muscle tension triggered by adrenaline (stress) is not the same as simply tensing a muscle when it is being worked. Working a muscle allows the tension to disappear as soon as the muscle relaxes again. But stress-induced tension doesn’t disappear just because the muscles stop working. Stress causes a chemical response that is designed to ‘prepare’ the muscle for action. And those chemicals don’t just disappear the moment the threat or discomfort goes away. The body actually has to break down those chemicals and expel them from the body through the vital organs.
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>>196875
One could speculate that it was an improvement on whatever barbarism came before, and now it's just frozen into religious law for no real reason.
One could speculate that it was an improvement on whatever barbarism came before, and now it's just frozen into religious law for no real reason.
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So I got a little curious, and decided to look into how Kosher slaughtering works. Turns out it's just as bad as I'd expected it to be, while being more detailed than I'd anticipated.
The actual procedure is called shechita, and it involves severing the trachea, esophagus, and most major blood vessels with a swift back-and-forth motion.
For the actual cutting, they use a special knife called a sakin (or hallaf for the Ashkenazi) that must be roughly twice as long as the animal's neck is wide, meaning there is a special sakin used for every animal. The blades are not permitted to be pointed or serrated, so they usually resemble meat cleavers as a result. The blades are checked and sharpened obsessively before and after the slaughter takes place, as imperfections in the blade are forbidden.
But my favourite part has to be the various ways in which an animal can be rendered non-Kosher. Let's go over them, shall we?
- Pausing the incision at any point during the process renders the animal non-Kosher.
- The knife must be drawn in a back-and-forth motion across the neck. Anything else renders the animal non-Kosher.
- The back of the knife must be visible at all times, and must not be covered (as in stabbing, hence why the sakin isn't pointed. If at any point the back of the knife is covered, the animal is rendered non-Kosher.
- The cut must be in a specific location on the neck, usually below the large ring in the windpipe. Cutting anywhere else renders the animal non-Kosher.
- If the esophagus and trachea are torn at any point during the cut, the animal is rendered non-Kosher.
- If the knife is found to be damaged after the cut has taken place, the animal is considered non-Kosher.
- Except if the blade is "lost" before the second check can happen, then it's A-OK.
- The animal cannot be stunned or killed via another means; it must be fully conscious and die via exsanguination.
- There are certain cuts of meat, mostly in the hindquarters of the animal, that are considered non-Kosher. They usually pawn these off to places like the United States. How about all those rump roasts, huh?
- Blood, gelatin, and other such animal products are considered non-Kosher.
Overall, a pretty wasteful and needlessly cruel practice. Most of the cautions that were observed for safety reasons, such as not eating meat that was previously bitten by a snake, are rendered obsolete by modern slaughtering practices.
As a fun aside, Halal slaughter is very similar to Kosher, not surprising seeing as the Koran could be charitably described as a bad fanfic of the Torah and the Bible. The only major difference in the slaughtering process (called dhabihah) is that they expressly forbid severing the spinal column instead of implicitly forbidding it, that the blade is hidden from the sight of the animal before the kill, and that the slaughterer recite the phrase Bismallah (بِاسم الله) (In the name of Allah) before each kill.
Barbarians inspiring barbarians. Poetic, eh?
The actual procedure is called shechita, and it involves severing the trachea, esophagus, and most major blood vessels with a swift back-and-forth motion.
For the actual cutting, they use a special knife called a sakin (or hallaf for the Ashkenazi) that must be roughly twice as long as the animal's neck is wide, meaning there is a special sakin used for every animal. The blades are not permitted to be pointed or serrated, so they usually resemble meat cleavers as a result. The blades are checked and sharpened obsessively before and after the slaughter takes place, as imperfections in the blade are forbidden.
But my favourite part has to be the various ways in which an animal can be rendered non-Kosher. Let's go over them, shall we?
- Pausing the incision at any point during the process renders the animal non-Kosher.
- The knife must be drawn in a back-and-forth motion across the neck. Anything else renders the animal non-Kosher.
- The back of the knife must be visible at all times, and must not be covered (as in stabbing, hence why the sakin isn't pointed. If at any point the back of the knife is covered, the animal is rendered non-Kosher.
- The cut must be in a specific location on the neck, usually below the large ring in the windpipe. Cutting anywhere else renders the animal non-Kosher.
- If the esophagus and trachea are torn at any point during the cut, the animal is rendered non-Kosher.
- If the knife is found to be damaged after the cut has taken place, the animal is considered non-Kosher.
- Except if the blade is "lost" before the second check can happen, then it's A-OK.
- The animal cannot be stunned or killed via another means; it must be fully conscious and die via exsanguination.
- There are certain cuts of meat, mostly in the hindquarters of the animal, that are considered non-Kosher. They usually pawn these off to places like the United States. How about all those rump roasts, huh?
- Blood, gelatin, and other such animal products are considered non-Kosher.
Overall, a pretty wasteful and needlessly cruel practice. Most of the cautions that were observed for safety reasons, such as not eating meat that was previously bitten by a snake, are rendered obsolete by modern slaughtering practices.
As a fun aside, Halal slaughter is very similar to Kosher, not surprising seeing as the Koran could be charitably described as a bad fanfic of the Torah and the Bible. The only major difference in the slaughtering process (called dhabihah) is that they expressly forbid severing the spinal column instead of implicitly forbidding it, that the blade is hidden from the sight of the animal before the kill, and that the slaughterer recite the phrase Bismallah (بِاسم الله) (In the name of Allah) before each kill.
Barbarians inspiring barbarians. Poetic, eh?
>>196865
>>Some say that the ban is less about animal rights, and more about anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.
Do they propose that sandniggers should just be allowed to abuse animals?
>>Some say that the ban is less about animal rights, and more about anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.
Do they propose that sandniggers should just be allowed to abuse animals?
>>196887
I've heard it was meant to drain out the blood, so that the meat wouldn't spoil as fast.
Considering Jews needed the literal creator of the universe (whom they constantly ignored, because we want gibs, not laws and idols are better at gibs) to tell them not to cut out the flesh out of a living animal, it probably wasn't terrible at some point in some cultural context, but nowadays it's just anachronistic (funny how they push the [[current year]] meme, yet they're mentally stuck in a dessert about a millennium BC) and edgy.
I've heard it was meant to drain out the blood, so that the meat wouldn't spoil as fast.
Considering Jews needed the literal creator of the universe (whom they constantly ignored, because we want gibs, not laws and idols are better at gibs) to tell them not to cut out the flesh out of a living animal, it probably wasn't terrible at some point in some cultural context, but nowadays it's just anachronistic (funny how they push the [[current year]] meme, yet they're mentally stuck in a dessert about a millennium BC) and edgy.
>>196865
>Some say that the ban is less about animal rights, and more about anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.
>'It is impossible to know the true intentions of people,' Rabbi Yaakov David Schmahl, a rabbi in Antwerp, the capital of Flanders, told the New York Times.
>'Unless people state clearly what they have in mind, but most anti-Semites don't do that.
I suddenly understand why thinking people hate Jews.
>Some say that the ban is less about animal rights, and more about anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.
>'It is impossible to know the true intentions of people,' Rabbi Yaakov David Schmahl, a rabbi in Antwerp, the capital of Flanders, told the New York Times.
>'Unless people state clearly what they have in mind, but most anti-Semites don't do that.
I suddenly understand why thinking people hate Jews.
Hasn't this been banned for a while already? I know Austria banned it a few years back, I thought Belgium already did too.
Ffs, it isn't even that hard to stun an animal before killing it. They didn't "ban halal/kosher slaughter"; they just advised people not to torture animals to death.
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