So after 2 years of piss-arsing about, Theresa the Appeaser has finally sealed us a Brexit deal. And it's fair to say it's pretty fucking atrocious. The full details of the deal haven't emerged yet, but what I do know is that we're confirmed staying in the customs union and 'large parts' of the single market. There'll be an emergency cabinet meeting on Wednesday to discuss the deal. Four days ago we had another resignation, and I wouldn't be surprised if more started flooding in tomorrow. I'll try and keep this thread up to date if anything else happens.
>Citizen’s rights
>A draft of the UK’s withdrawal agreement published in March was said to finalise the issue of the rights of EU citizens living in the UK and UK citizens living in the EU.
>The Prime Minister has guaranteed the rights of EU citizens in the UK even in the event of a "no-deal" Brexit.
>Gibraltar
>The UK and Spain have "developed a protocol and a set of underlying memoranda relating to Gibraltar, heralding a new era in our relations", according to Mrs May.
>Cyprus
>A protocol relating to two British military bases in Cyprus has been agreed by both the UK and EU.
>Transition Period
>Also agreed in March was the implementation period which agreed the UK will maintain the status quo of EU membership between the date of Brexit on 29 March next year, and 31 December 2020.
>Divorce Bill
>The UK’s divorce bill was marked as settled in March, with the Treasury estimating the cost to be between £35bn and £39bn.
Source:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1044931/Brexit-deal-what-is-Theresa-May-Brexit-deal-what-UK-agreed-EU-news
http://archive.is/701JO
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46188790
http://archive.is/rsXEL
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>>185594
Jesus Christ, sounds like you have the same deal as we have. You have to follow all the rules the EU decides, and you have to pay the EU for this "service". Basically the Pro-EU people have won. You are still in the EU, but you don't have a say in the laws passed by the EU anymore.
It always baffles me why European leaders think, or perhaps more baffling that people believe, they have to agree with all the EU directives to be able to trade with other European countries.
>hoping for the sake of the British people that you didn't get a shit deal like we were forced into by the Labor party
Jesus Christ, sounds like you have the same deal as we have. You have to follow all the rules the EU decides, and you have to pay the EU for this "service". Basically the Pro-EU people have won. You are still in the EU, but you don't have a say in the laws passed by the EU anymore.
It always baffles me why European leaders think, or perhaps more baffling that people believe, they have to agree with all the EU directives to be able to trade with other European countries.
>hoping for the sake of the British people that you didn't get a shit deal like we were forced into by the Labor party
>>185600
>You have to follow all the rules the EU decides, and you have to pay the EU for this "service".
>You are still in the EU, but you don't have a say in the laws passed by the EU anymore.
Checked, and sadly this. Our only hope at this point is if these resignations start flooding in, and a vote of no confidence gets put through, which would either force Theresa to resign or trigger a General Election.
>You have to follow all the rules the EU decides, and you have to pay the EU for this "service".
>You are still in the EU, but you don't have a say in the laws passed by the EU anymore.
Checked, and sadly this. Our only hope at this point is if these resignations start flooding in, and a vote of no confidence gets put through, which would either force Theresa to resign or trigger a General Election.
>>185594
>the absolute fucking state of Britain
Britbong friends, you owe it to yourselves and your country to rise up and kick these traitorous bastards out of your government. For fuck's sake, Britain had every card in this deal to play and Theresa STILL fucked it up for everyone!
>the absolute fucking state of Britain
Britbong friends, you owe it to yourselves and your country to rise up and kick these traitorous bastards out of your government. For fuck's sake, Britain had every card in this deal to play and Theresa STILL fucked it up for everyone!
>>185600
>It always baffles me why European leaders think, or perhaps more baffling that people believe, they have to agree with all the EU directives to be able to trade with other European countries.
Quick run down on what happened. Politicians need votes to win office and acquire power. To win office you also need money to run and beat your opponent. That money usually comes from big business. Big business likes the EU which helps them make bank. So most politicians are by default pro EU.
Then Brexit happens. The voters show they actually hate the EU.
Politicians now have to choose: either piss off voters or piss of their funders. May tired to make everyone happy, and made a special effort to keep the gravy train rolling. Now everyone is mad, but the ones with the money are not that mad now. May is fucked, but probably has a secret deal to get money from some rich pro EU firm I bet. Voters will probably forget about this, or so everyone hopes.
>It always baffles me why European leaders think, or perhaps more baffling that people believe, they have to agree with all the EU directives to be able to trade with other European countries.
Quick run down on what happened. Politicians need votes to win office and acquire power. To win office you also need money to run and beat your opponent. That money usually comes from big business. Big business likes the EU which helps them make bank. So most politicians are by default pro EU.
Then Brexit happens. The voters show they actually hate the EU.
Politicians now have to choose: either piss off voters or piss of their funders. May tired to make everyone happy, and made a special effort to keep the gravy train rolling. Now everyone is mad, but the ones with the money are not that mad now. May is fucked, but probably has a secret deal to get money from some rich pro EU firm I bet. Voters will probably forget about this, or so everyone hopes.
>>185606
>Voters will probably forget about this, or so everyone hopes.
I doubt it. This is a pretty major deal, nothing like a General Election, where the future of the country quite literally hangs in the balance.
Unfortunately we're stuck with her until May 2022, unless she is forced to resign and a General Election gets called.
>>185604
Most people are too oblivious, or they know what's going on and pretend to be wilfully ignorant, because they don't want to be seen as far-right/racist. If the British people were to RISE UP then we would need to be put in a Weimar like state, where you would essentially have no choice.
>Voters will probably forget about this, or so everyone hopes.
I doubt it. This is a pretty major deal, nothing like a General Election, where the future of the country quite literally hangs in the balance.
Unfortunately we're stuck with her until May 2022, unless she is forced to resign and a General Election gets called.
>>185604
Most people are too oblivious, or they know what's going on and pretend to be wilfully ignorant, because they don't want to be seen as far-right/racist. If the British people were to RISE UP then we would need to be put in a Weimar like state, where you would essentially have no choice.
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So a lot has happened in the past couple days, and as promised, here's an update:
First off, the meeting was held yesterday and lasted till about 7pm, at which time the cabinet agreed to sign the deal which was drafted. I've been skimming through the agreement and related articles, and as Norwayanon rightly pointed out, it essentially leaves us as a Vassel state to the EU. I'll go into more detail shortly. First off, the transitioning period will be from 29 March 2019, and will last 21 months, during which the UK will follow all European Union rules, and will be subject to the European Court of Justice. The point of the transition period is so we can come to an agreement on a trade deal, however if a deal cannot be made, then the period shall be extended. They haven't specified how long, only up to 31 December 20XX?
We are, as I previously thought, staying in the customs union, which basically means that movement of goods, capital, services and most importantly people is completely unchanged. This is a big deal as immigration was a focal point of the Brexit vote. The EU chief negotiator Micheal Barnier, accepts a UK wide customs union with the EU, but in return Britain must accept that we will not be allowed to exit the backstop, basically meaning that a soft border between Northern Ireland is guaranteed with this deal. We must also accept further special customs arrangements closer to the single market, so we're leaving the single market, but only in name.
Even after the transitioning period is over the UK must abide by EU rules, we will lose our place on the European Parliament and so will get no vote in this. A five member panel will be in charge of arbitrating the disputes and issues with the EU law, however disputes cannot be decided by the panel and must go to the European Court of Justice as mentioned earlier.
Fishing is a particularly important trade to the UK, particularly where I live, and the Brexit deal will basically hand over control of our nation's waters. The conditions for a seafood exporters tariff and quota free access to the European Market, were that EU member states can continue to fish in our waters, but such a deal hasn't been struck. And so essentially there is now going to be a tariff for the fish we catch.
I'll be on the lookout in case anything happens.
ITT post cute poners, I'm pretty fucking mad right now.
First off, the meeting was held yesterday and lasted till about 7pm, at which time the cabinet agreed to sign the deal which was drafted. I've been skimming through the agreement and related articles, and as Norwayanon rightly pointed out, it essentially leaves us as a Vassel state to the EU. I'll go into more detail shortly. First off, the transitioning period will be from 29 March 2019, and will last 21 months, during which the UK will follow all European Union rules, and will be subject to the European Court of Justice. The point of the transition period is so we can come to an agreement on a trade deal, however if a deal cannot be made, then the period shall be extended. They haven't specified how long, only up to 31 December 20XX?
We are, as I previously thought, staying in the customs union, which basically means that movement of goods, capital, services and most importantly people is completely unchanged. This is a big deal as immigration was a focal point of the Brexit vote. The EU chief negotiator Micheal Barnier, accepts a UK wide customs union with the EU, but in return Britain must accept that we will not be allowed to exit the backstop, basically meaning that a soft border between Northern Ireland is guaranteed with this deal. We must also accept further special customs arrangements closer to the single market, so we're leaving the single market, but only in name.
Even after the transitioning period is over the UK must abide by EU rules, we will lose our place on the European Parliament and so will get no vote in this. A five member panel will be in charge of arbitrating the disputes and issues with the EU law, however disputes cannot be decided by the panel and must go to the European Court of Justice as mentioned earlier.
Fishing is a particularly important trade to the UK, particularly where I live, and the Brexit deal will basically hand over control of our nation's waters. The conditions for a seafood exporters tariff and quota free access to the European Market, were that EU member states can continue to fish in our waters, but such a deal hasn't been struck. And so essentially there is now going to be a tariff for the fish we catch.
I'll be on the lookout in case anything happens.
ITT post cute poners, I'm pretty fucking mad right now.
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>>185948
I watched a little of the debate in the House of Commons, and two things that came out gave me a little hope.
Firstly there will be no 2nd referendum on the leave issue, so UK will leave the EU (more or less).
The other point is that it doesn't look like May got the support needed for the deal to pass through.
If all goes as good as possible, the deal will be voted down, Britain will leave the EU, making all previous deals it had with the EU null and void making the UK a truly free state again.
I watched a little of the debate in the House of Commons, and two things that came out gave me a little hope.
Firstly there will be no 2nd referendum on the leave issue, so UK will leave the EU (more or less).
The other point is that it doesn't look like May got the support needed for the deal to pass through.
If all goes as good as possible, the deal will be voted down, Britain will leave the EU, making all previous deals it had with the EU null and void making the UK a truly free state again.
I hope Britain comes out of this alright in the next twi decades. You know that (((they))) are going to try to force the Brits into a shitty deal, to set an example that (((they))) can use to intimidate other nations from leaving the EU.
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>>185960
>I watched a little of the debate in the House of Commons, and two things that came out gave me a little hope…
That's good, I wasn't able to watch it myself, but thanks for cheering me up a bit.
Also thanks for the poner
Another update, resignations are flooding in:
>UK Brexit secretary Dominic Raab has resigned, Michael Gove has been offered his position.
>Esther McVey, Work and Pensions secretary has resigned.
>Suella Braverman has resigned as Brexit minister
>Shailesh Vara, the Minister of State at the Northern Ireland Office, was the first minister to resign over the deal.
>Anne-Marie Trevelyan, PPS to the Education Ministers to the Prime Minister.
>Ranil Jayawardena has resigned as Parliamentary Private Secretary to the Ministry of Justice.
>Vice Chairman of the Conservative Party Rehman Chishti has resigned
>It has been reported that Nikki Da Costa, Downing Street’s director of legislative affairs, has also resigned.
Also Jacob Rees Mogg has submitted a letter of no confidence in Theresa May to the Chairman of the 1922 committee. So have other MPs reportedly. We'll see where this goes, hopefully we can oust May and get a leader that actually cares. Hopefully it will mean a General Election.
Source:
http://archive.is/tdIY4
http://archive.is/f6kH2
>>185968
Thanks anon, if things keeps going the way they are now, we'll get the Brexit we wanted, whether (((they))) like it or not.
>I watched a little of the debate in the House of Commons, and two things that came out gave me a little hope…
That's good, I wasn't able to watch it myself, but thanks for cheering me up a bit.
Also thanks for the poner
Another update, resignations are flooding in:
>UK Brexit secretary Dominic Raab has resigned, Michael Gove has been offered his position.
>Esther McVey, Work and Pensions secretary has resigned.
>Suella Braverman has resigned as Brexit minister
>Shailesh Vara, the Minister of State at the Northern Ireland Office, was the first minister to resign over the deal.
>Anne-Marie Trevelyan, PPS to the Education Ministers to the Prime Minister.
>Ranil Jayawardena has resigned as Parliamentary Private Secretary to the Ministry of Justice.
>Vice Chairman of the Conservative Party Rehman Chishti has resigned
>It has been reported that Nikki Da Costa, Downing Street’s director of legislative affairs, has also resigned.
Also Jacob Rees Mogg has submitted a letter of no confidence in Theresa May to the Chairman of the 1922 committee. So have other MPs reportedly. We'll see where this goes, hopefully we can oust May and get a leader that actually cares. Hopefully it will mean a General Election.
Source:
http://archive.is/tdIY4
http://archive.is/f6kH2
>>185968
Thanks anon, if things keeps going the way they are now, we'll get the Brexit we wanted, whether (((they))) like it or not.
>>185594
draft link
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/draft_withdrawal_agreement_0.pdf
585 pages of dry fun
draft link
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/draft_withdrawal_agreement_0.pdf
585 pages of dry fun
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England falls apart
>Confidence vote in PM now likely - Sky sources
>The prime minister vows to battle on to save her Brexit deal as she faces continued unrest from her party.
http://archive.is/nHL4I
>The prime minister vows to battle on to save her Brexit deal as she faces continued unrest from her party.
http://archive.is/nHL4I
>>186330
Looks like it is only a party vote if they have confidence in keeping her the leader of the party.
Looks like it is only a party vote if they have confidence in keeping her the leader of the party.
>>185972
Thanks for the link anon, I forgot to include it.
>>186331
>>186330
We currently have 20 announced letters of no confidence, this obviously doesn't take into account letters that haven't been made public, the committee needs 48 before there is a vote of no confidence. Speculation currently on whether the threshold has been passed, as Steve Baker, senior figure in the ERG, counted the letters and the tally is as many as 60. Things are looking up.
http://archive.is/yw8uP
>Looks like it is only a party vote if they have confidence in keeping her the leader of the party.
This. It'll be a leadership election. I've got faith that Rees-Mogg can deliver the Brexit we asked for. If the party is still fractured, it could lead to a General Election.
>>186025
Nurse Redheart is a cute. Thanks anon.
Thanks for the link anon, I forgot to include it.
>>186331
>>186330
We currently have 20 announced letters of no confidence, this obviously doesn't take into account letters that haven't been made public, the committee needs 48 before there is a vote of no confidence. Speculation currently on whether the threshold has been passed, as Steve Baker, senior figure in the ERG, counted the letters and the tally is as many as 60. Things are looking up.
http://archive.is/yw8uP
>Looks like it is only a party vote if they have confidence in keeping her the leader of the party.
This. It'll be a leadership election. I've got faith that Rees-Mogg can deliver the Brexit we asked for. If the party is still fractured, it could lead to a General Election.
>>186025
Nurse Redheart is a cute. Thanks anon.
about fucking time
>>185973
Here's a quick assessment of her statements from a body language analyst
Tl;dr She's full of shit
https://youtu.be/KHT2BnDy7ig
Here's a quick assessment of her statements from a body language analyst
Tl;dr She's full of shit
https://youtu.be/KHT2BnDy7ig
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