I know that many people consider helping to save race or continuing their bloodline as enough motivation but I'm interested more in your private views, not exactly some bigger picture but rather your own thought on the subject.
What do you think about parenting, is it something that you look forward to or not?
I'm personally not too thrilled about whole thing and it's hard for me to took many arguments about it seriously. Actuall parents are filled with so powerful hormonal and emotionall soup that I can't really take what they say seriously because every time I feel like it's their hearts talking rather than brains.
I never liked kids and when you add economical and emotional strain that having them put on you in modern world it really looks like rather bleak perspective for me. Also you need >nohooves to have kids and it's another big drawback.
So all in all my attitude towards kids is pretty negative but I'm interested what you have to say, especially considerign that some people here are more attracted towards ponies/animu than real women.
When it comes to leaving the bigger picture of saving our race out, my personal opinion goes as follows:
Im not too fond of kids. They can be super annoying, stinking, screeching brats, especially when they are younger. Still, I cant imagine growing old without knowing that I have put someone into this world, guiding them to live a great life and hopefully enjoy every aspect of it.
I like the idea of showing them the world, helping them learn and explore and being the one they look up to. also the way it looks we wont have sufficient rent here in germany when I am old enough for that, need someone to care for me when Im the old fuck that cant properly move anymore
Im positive that with the right idea of raising children you can avoid them becoming ungrateful brats by teaching them that nothing is free and hard work is the way to go.
So in the end, im not extremely excited about becoming a father any time soon, but with the right woman I cant imagine myself growing old without that experience.
>>168225Socialism is parenting misplaced, parenting without responsibility or burden. Easy immigration, not annoying children. For people to want to have children the environment has to produce enough fear and concern to make the burden of raising children become a reprieve. SOON.
It used to be that sexual pleasure was the lure but we fixed that annoyance! Yay! :D So now the only tool left is fear.
>>168198My family will probably disown me if I didn't have kids, and I kind of want to have at least one kid. It seems like there would be enough fun in raising a kid to counteract the bad, not just that vague sense of purpose I always hear about. But having a kid with the right person in the right environment is far more important than just having a kid, all those horror stories of guys getting JUST'd should be proof enough of that.
So the name of the game is avoiding the clutches of the eternal thot, a prospect which really shouldn't be harder than it sounds but both the girls I dated recently were insane. Maybe one of these days I'll win the cosmic lottery, till then I shitpost
>>168198I never wanted to have kids, yet one day
something changed, i just felt like "Maybe i should have a child"
I didn't give it much thought since a child is a big responsibility and that's a big no-no.
Yet one day i dreamt of a little girl, she was the cutest little girl i ever saw.
She looked at me with a smile that filled my heart with joy, i woke up with a smile on my face, somehow, i knew that girl was my daughter.
Since that day, i can't help but feel like having children and teaching him/her the wonders of life, of course parenthood is a bittersweet symphony, but the joy that smile gave me in that dream, made me understand what a man needs to feel loved, it is not a girl, but a family, a small creature to protect who just gazes at you with stars on her eyes, as if you were just perfect, even with all your defects.
Also since that day i absolutely despise pedos to the point i get really angry at just the thought of one of these depraved fucks getting near my offspring.
The real problem is decent women >>168198I'm torn on the issue. In my experience, most kids are douchebags, but I also realize that this is because most parents are/were douchebags. I'm to a point economically/professionally that I can establish a household and from there a family, but I'm almost 40; additionally I experienced severe child abuse and never properly socialized.
I could afford a child a stable environment but can't guarantee that I would be able to tolerate it, and I can't be certain I wouldn't be dooming the child to the same degree of ostracism I experienced, given that my spouse (same story) and I would be the child's primary influences.
I don't understand why people hate kids. We were all there at one point. Only reason they are annoying sometimes is because they are still learning how to be mature and once they hit puberty hormones fuck with them.
I'm trying to be a high school teacher and from my limited experience with kids I can tell you there isn't a better feeling than knowing some youngster looks up to you. Having kids and a family is my dream. I don't think anyone should have kids if they aren't ready but I don't understand how people "hate" kids. I mean I hate babies because they are a lot of work, but its only temporary. Look at any parent who loses their children. Its like they lost everything.
>>168198>Also you need >nohooves to have kids and it's another big drawback.The Promised Day will come, Anon. Someday...
Anyways, I'm absolute shit at explaining things at times like right now, so I'll just say that I've pretty much always wanted to start a family.
>>168206>>168233Sounds like you've a bad experience with kids. I've taught small kids before and I can say they can be real sweethearts if you know how to handle them. It requires careful thinking in advance as well as more than a small dollop of patience, but just watching them learn is satisfying. How much more so to see one's own children growing up!
Yes, children are a burden. Nothing worthwhile in life is free and they are a sacrifice. However, it's a payoff tenfold if you figure out the right way to raise your child. Here's a tip: think about what aspects of your childhood were good for you, as well as those you'd change, and go from there.
I would like kids some day, but I worry about how school and society will corrupt them. Ideally I would homeschool them with my future wife while living off grid. I also need to find a smart woman so I can have smart children or the Chinese need to hurry up with their gene editting technology. If I find the right woman I will have kids, but I don't see the point in having children unless I can be damn sure they are going to turn out right.
>>168198I'm not a fan of other people's children, but I don't look down on the possibility of having one myself someday. It's just the same problem that everyone else has already mentioned stopping me:
>women are too far gone>nohooves>jewish corruption Also, I'm not in a financial place to even think about that yet.
>>168242Same it just doesnt compute with me. I love kids.
I have my own beliefs in passing on my genes and creating a little me to potentially achieve immortality. But another side for me, I dont mind kids. I love teaching them. I feel a warmth in my heart when I see a happy family with non retard normal children.
I am also sick of seeing little shits of all races running around.
Im one of two children and the other is a homo so he wont have his own kids. Even my liberal mother wants me to have kids but not to exceed two. Kek i'm having at least four.
Also
>not wanting to take little Arthur out shooting>not carrying your little daughterydoo on your shoulders while your boy proudly leads the way down a trail in the woods as your wifey rocks the little oneIf you dont want pic related you are not white I am afraid.
>>168326I don't know how to explain him, it's like love.
By the way, since i am a quadroon i'll be adopting pure White Children lol.
I don't like kids. I don't get along with them, so I can't have them.
I think when talking about kids you have to talk about the family to complete the picture of having kids. The way I grew up was in a large family with many relatives in a close distance. Having this I learned that a large family works as a support network. Not having that family support just leads to one finding support from the government. Here in the US with the creation of the Suburb and nuclear family in the 50's the family changed from extended families that were centralized within a close distance of each other, to smaller branches of families breaking off and moving large distances away from each other. In the past couple decades the divorce rate shot up to where those nuclear families broke apart even more with family connections becoming even more far apart. The grandiose point I'm talking about is that the support system for children and their parents is gone, and for people without a large family to assist them they turn to the government. The government has become the support system for people without inheritance and family connections.
Humans are tribal, and here in the states we're losing something completely vital to that. The family or extended family of you want to look it that way. As for me, life happens so I'm pretty disconnected with more of my family. Having kids and having them go through life without the crucial network of family I had would be torturous to me. If I had a stable income, didn't waste money on booze and car parts, some land out west, and learned to be self sufficient on that land, then I would want to settle down, find a nice women All I want in life is a wholesome centaur wife and have as many kids as I could support. Being around family, engaging, working, socializing and learning with one each other are some of the best experiences I've had in life. There is a lot of power and good that can come from just being of the same blood. The same goes for the nation in a sense. You have a group of people that love you and you love them back. That's the family.
If I want kids I want them to live in a nicer world. This is not a nice world.
>>168198Silly horse, you cant play bass with hooves! You cat get the muted sound of playing with fingers!
>>168458In terms of quality of life this is about the best the world has ever been.
>>168439>If I had a stable income, didn't waste money on booze and car parts, some land out west, and learned to be self sufficient on that landWouldn't it be better for both easier and better for your future children if you went innawoods with a group of people? If something went wrong you would have a community to fall back on and your children could have other kids to socialize with.
>>168242>I don't understand why people hate kids.I don't like children, and actively hated being one myself. I was born only because my father considered starting a family as a part of the checklist of life, and I can't even comprehend what a loving family would be like. I always felt like a liability, and I cannot imagine my own children being anything other than a shameful disappointment either.
Breeding more children for the white race would be a noble goal, but I can't think of anything cruel than cursing a child with a life with me. What would I tell them when they asked why they were born when I myself wish I was never born? My friends shrug that off as "Kids are stupid, they won't ask that", but I asked that myself and got nothing but a noncommittal stock response of "kids are so valuable etc etc" which obviously even my parents themselves didn't believe.
Until I finally left my family for good, my father kept yelling at me about how "when he was my age he already had a son". He always got quiet when I asked why I should do that when he himself has said it was the biggest mistake of his life.
I think that if I get married, I will likely have kids.
The catch is it seems I have a high quality standard for a relationship, and am patiently waiting for the right woman to come along.
The best relationships I have ever known people to have started more or less by chance. If I ever get into such a great relationship with someone, it should mostly fall into place
Not to mention I'm an uber-poorfag with very ill-defined life/career goals (if any tbh). For now I'm just slowly working on myself and trying to get out more, and it only gets easier to make excuses.
A stable paycheck and some full ownership of some property is ideal to me.
Some other anons mentioned about family being a network to fall back in, and I would argue that that is what a good community or even church is for. Get involved.
My parents sort of split off from the larger family and we moved south to florida
>>168709>cont.And I've grown up to just make a few good friends and a handful of loose connections and it's been fine. Joining a local community can make up for lack of extended family; it just takes some more effort.
But yeah. Kids probably, just not now for damn sure.
>>168297> I worry about how school and society will corrupt them. That's why you teach them what you want them to know in advance. Then you tell them what school will tell them and why it's bullshit. Then you tell them you can't repeat this to anyone.
>>168709>am patiently waiting for the right woman to come alongBad strategy. Get out there and meet women, talk to a ton of them, find out what is on offer. Then you can make an educated decision.
t. oldfag with three kids
**not boomer, fuck you**
>>169195>Get out thereThat's a part of myself I'm working on. Talking to them comes next
>>170559Go to a bar you fucking permavirgin
>>169195This anon is right, it starts here.
As someone who didn't want children my 16mo daughter has certainly grown on me to the point of incureable love. I was a no-responsibility xoomer enjoying life, DJ'ing/partying, buying what i wanted when I wanted it and didn't think myself capable of responsibly raising a child. The needs of my wee nipper have cutailed that somewhat but it doesn't dishearten me at all. It is hard work, it is testing but such as the joy we all got yesterday when she was able to point out all the animals in her farm book yesterday was magical. I know you may see my judgement as clouded and it may be but I guess what I am saying is that I was the guy not wanting the burden of children and now couldn't imagine my life wihtout her and if I could make anyone of you guys feel the magic I feel I would. The right female is essential as a child can push parts of your relationship to one side and staying strong throughout is challenging but in a healthy relationship where adult discussion of your feelings and needs is key this shouldn't be a problem.
>>168704Change can and should start with you brother as some wise folk once said - Banish the word ’struggle’ from your attitude and your vocabulary. All that we do now must be done in a sacred manner and in celebration.
We are the ones we’ve been waiting for.
p.s. since when did I have to solve a google capcha here? I'm searching for google free platforms and now find mlpol has crossed to the darkside ;_;
>>168709As someone who met his now fiance by almost complete chance I would say just wait and go about life but don't shrug off encounters when they come your way. I met my fiance because my mother happened to be working with the girl and thought we would get along well so out of pure curiosity i came up and decided to meet her. At that point i had given up on ever finding someone to love and i don't talk to people well finding myself unable to really strike up conversation well (always have) but when i met her and first talked to her something sparked we clicked together almost instantly that night was the night i fell in love with her. So like i said wait my friend and don't pass up opportunities you never know what could happen.
As for children I personally don't like children. I just find myself not knowing how to act and am a bit awkward and I definitely don't like babies but I love teaching and always have and look forward to passing some things on to my offspring. One thing i have been thinking about doing is trying to train them to defend themselves and loved ones early on and work up over the years going to more advanced fighting and rifle techniques and using it as a vent for frustration and hormones when they reach their teen years.
>>170609>Go to a bar Normally I would say that's stupid because that's where you find all the sluts/thots, but in Anon's case that might actually be a decent way to practice social interaction with the opposite sex. Don't ever think you'll find marriage material there though, because you wont.
it's just me that feels like falling in love is just a big fucking mistake that no man should commit?
>>170774unless it's with a cute horse
>>170777I've learned that digits don't lie.
>>170782She really should be wearing gloves for that.
>>170768It really depends. I met my wife at a bar. You see, there are the bar rats, people there every night, and there are people who go out sometimes. Those are the ones you are looking for. If you are putting yourself out there enough, you will run into all kinds of people. I didn't exclusively haunt bars though. You can meet people at the grocery store, etc. Anywhere.
>>170559Oh, and don't worry. You will get blown out, hard. A lot. Some chick shuts you down? So what. Not the end of your life, laugh and move on to the next. I don't remember all the times I got shot down. I do remember the harshest ones, because they were funny as hell. Some chick thinks she's so self-important to go out of her way to try to embarrass you. LOL. Gimme a break.
>>170892Anything is possible. I met my girl on/through Craigslist; we shitposted at eachother thru text for weeks before we met in person. In 2 weeks we'll have been together for 10 years. It takes all kinds.
>>170609>meeting wife material at a bar>>170722>>170768I can get behind the idea of bars for social practice, but otherwise I don't usually like them.
>>170892Meeting people anywhere I normally go seems more right.
Family and kids have been in the back of my mind for a long time, but only ever as "I'll get to it eventually". More recently (years ago) it turned into "When I'm ready and can provide for a family"; it's only now, after thinking of things in terms of ethnonationalism that it's starting to seem urgent.
We all know where we're headed when Europeans neglect having kids, we're not going to have the kind of societies we had growing up unless we actively try to preserve what we have and pass the torch to a new generation. And I have good genes and should pass them on, dammit.
Parenting used to be a beautiful thing where you taught your kids knowledge and life lessons. That's why liberals pushed this "Parenting is pain. Good parents ignore their kids and share parenting memes online. All children are little monsters. It's natural to suck so bad, you need a reality TV star to bully your kids into submission" bullshit.
I'm white, and I don't want my race to die out. So I want a redpilled, kind, and intelligent white wife, and I want to fuck at least five kids out of her. I'm still looking, but most of the women I meet are NPC thots who think if they marry a gamer and shame him out of gaming, he'll spend his disposable income exclusively on pretty rocks for her instead. Because apparently, a man is immature if he refuses that deal when his reward is to get divorced after ten years by a disinterested npc girl who watches over 12 hours of Netflix a day. A chance at getting to shag her maybe once or twice a decade doesn't seem worth it. I don't know where they caught this meme. Maybe they overheard some Warhammer 40K player say the new Tyrranid toy playset was "only" as expensive as a small car.
>>168198Honestly this is a rough topic.
I dislike most humans but kids are alright.
I would daughteru some pones and damn I would daughteru my child. It would give my life the meaning I was always looking for. Having kids is hard. Really hard but I would wrestle bears for her, I would slay giants.
I don't know if any of you have felt the fulfilment this gives you and the hardships you face but children are a wonder.
Sadly you have to tap no-hooves for that and you have to be the best you can be for her or him. I don't know if I am up to the task.
A daughteru is the only thing that rivals a waifu.
>>182205>I would daughteru my childHopefully by that statement you mean you would daughteru your actual daughteru and not daughteru your son, for that would be degeneracy most foul.