Is piracy degenerate?
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Yes but we all do it anyway.
Against honest and hard-working content-makers? Yes.
Against (((pompous freaks)))? No.
Against (((pompous freaks)))? No.
>Is piracy degenerate?
Actually, the question you should be asking is:
>is the idea of intellectual property (and protecting it with force) obscenely fucking retarded?
The answer is yes btw.
Actually, the question you should be asking is:
>is the idea of intellectual property (and protecting it with force) obscenely fucking retarded?
The answer is yes btw.
>>158548
Feels like you're conflating this with copyright law. Or deliberately attempting to change the discussion.
Feels like you're conflating this with copyright law. Or deliberately attempting to change the discussion.
It doesn't really matter if you're pirating some old game or obscure show (something that the creators could no longer profit from or something you already have), beyond that it's still degenerate but no one really cares, and it's generally done out of laziness. Another good example is if the pirated version offers an objectively better service (more convenient streaming of TV shows, games with online DRM removed, etc); it's still degenerate, but understandable. On the other hand…
>gibs me free stuff because I'm ENTITLED to it
>gibs me free stuff because I don't like the people who made it
>gibs me free stuff because even though I can pay for it, I don't feel like it and I have a moral RIGHT to not pay for something if I don't feel like it
These people are fucking retarded. If you're going to pirate something anyway, at least come up with a better excuse than "entitlement".
>gibs me free stuff because I'm ENTITLED to it
>gibs me free stuff because I don't like the people who made it
>gibs me free stuff because even though I can pay for it, I don't feel like it and I have a moral RIGHT to not pay for something if I don't feel like it
These people are fucking retarded. If you're going to pirate something anyway, at least come up with a better excuse than "entitlement".
>>158558
This. I generally only pirate stuff if there's no other way to obtain it, like when a game isn't published anymore or I want to catch a new season of something but don't want to wait a year for it to come out on Netflix or DVD or whatever. Sometimes I'll pirate shows or games that I'm curious about and then buy a legitimate copy later. It's not that big a deal but the people who rant about it as if being entertained for free is some kind of inalienable right are just annoying.
Pirating a movie or a TV show is similar to parking in a metered space for a short time without paying for it. Technically wrong but not an egregiously immoral act, plus there's very few among us who can honestly say they've never done it, even if they don't do it often. However it's good not to make a frequent habit of it because if you get caught the consequences are more of an inconvenience than paying would have been to begin with, and the court is unlikely to be sympathetic to you regardless of how loudly you rant about how unfair you think the whole thing is.
This. I generally only pirate stuff if there's no other way to obtain it, like when a game isn't published anymore or I want to catch a new season of something but don't want to wait a year for it to come out on Netflix or DVD or whatever. Sometimes I'll pirate shows or games that I'm curious about and then buy a legitimate copy later. It's not that big a deal but the people who rant about it as if being entertained for free is some kind of inalienable right are just annoying.
Pirating a movie or a TV show is similar to parking in a metered space for a short time without paying for it. Technically wrong but not an egregiously immoral act, plus there's very few among us who can honestly say they've never done it, even if they don't do it often. However it's good not to make a frequent habit of it because if you get caught the consequences are more of an inconvenience than paying would have been to begin with, and the court is unlikely to be sympathetic to you regardless of how loudly you rant about how unfair you think the whole thing is.
>>158558
the kind of people who program games for a living are a pathetic lot and I feel no obligation towards them as I am a superior being
the kind of people who program games for a living are a pathetic lot and I feel no obligation towards them as I am a superior being
Piracy is directly related to copyright. Copyright allows people to have an income by working on something. But copyright has morphed into wealth extraction well beyond recovering a fair wage for time/resources spent producing. Things like 70 years after the authors death is completely retarded and severely limits the benefits balance between the creator and society reuse. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#Duration ) It is significantly worse with science knowledge where a science paper costs $30. The laws of the universe are owned by all, the costs of effort/resources spent and reproduction of the paper should decide the cost, competition in selling papers should lower costs. A student of science can't afford $30 a paper. Books are cheaper and have more words!
With copyright overreach a natural rebellion will occur. It is assisted by entropy and technology. And the problem will keep growing. I think ultimately we will go to a patreon type pay-to-develop system as data transfer rates sky rocket and make copying trivial.
With copyright overreach a natural rebellion will occur. It is assisted by entropy and technology. And the problem will keep growing. I think ultimately we will go to a patreon type pay-to-develop system as data transfer rates sky rocket and make copying trivial.
>>158550
Piracy and copyright seem pretty closely related to me tbh, but even in cases when the law doesn't usually get involved, freebooting for example, the victim will talk about all the popularity his/her content deserves instead of some shitty facebook meme page and while I generally hate facebook users with a passion, complaining about not getting shekels/views from something you made for others to enjoy comes across as a bit petty to me, I understand wanting to benefit from something you created, but I feel like business and entertainment should be separated. Whenever I do something to entertain others I do it solely for entertainment, I don't want to be compensated for it and I don't feel like others should want to be compensated either, that way of thinking is partly why tv/music/vidya is getting shittier and less worth buying. I prefer to at least make sure the product has 'soul' before I monetarily support it, if it doesn't I probably won't want to get the full experience and I've already spent countless hours attempting to enjoy things I hate because I paid for them.
>>158534
So, in conclusion, unless I just pirate everything and buy nothing, in my opinion it would probably rank 2 or 3/10 on the degeneracy scale. Also fuck EA.
Piracy and copyright seem pretty closely related to me tbh, but even in cases when the law doesn't usually get involved, freebooting for example, the victim will talk about all the popularity his/her content deserves instead of some shitty facebook meme page and while I generally hate facebook users with a passion, complaining about not getting shekels/views from something you made for others to enjoy comes across as a bit petty to me, I understand wanting to benefit from something you created, but I feel like business and entertainment should be separated. Whenever I do something to entertain others I do it solely for entertainment, I don't want to be compensated for it and I don't feel like others should want to be compensated either, that way of thinking is partly why tv/music/vidya is getting shittier and less worth buying. I prefer to at least make sure the product has 'soul' before I monetarily support it, if it doesn't I probably won't want to get the full experience and I've already spent countless hours attempting to enjoy things I hate because I paid for them.
>>158534
So, in conclusion, unless I just pirate everything and buy nothing, in my opinion it would probably rank 2 or 3/10 on the degeneracy scale. Also fuck EA.
>>158606
I agree copyright laws are stupid, but I like to keep the distinction between copyright (which somehow implies that ideas can be owned by a particular person or private entity) and piracy (which actually requires that someone come up with an idea for something and then put in the effort required to bring it into existence).
I agree copyright laws are stupid, but I like to keep the distinction between copyright (which somehow implies that ideas can be owned by a particular person or private entity) and piracy (which actually requires that someone come up with an idea for something and then put in the effort required to bring it into existence).
>>158534
No, "pirated" materials now a days are public goods because they are non-rivalrous and now non-excludable due to easy torrents, which means that the current business model is behind the times and needs to be updated rather then the piraters are doing something bad.
>inb4 what should the new model be.
Patreon esc, so content creators make things with an active base who support their endeavors, but (((big business))) hates this new model because it encourages decentralization something against (((their))) interest so they legislate and try to brainwash normies into thinking "piracy" is bad.
No, "pirated" materials now a days are public goods because they are non-rivalrous and now non-excludable due to easy torrents, which means that the current business model is behind the times and needs to be updated rather then the piraters are doing something bad.
>inb4 what should the new model be.
Patreon esc, so content creators make things with an active base who support their endeavors, but (((big business))) hates this new model because it encourages decentralization something against (((their))) interest so they legislate and try to brainwash normies into thinking "piracy" is bad.
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>>158646
Agreed.
>[Iron Sky] co-financed by numerous individual supporters
>A sequel, titled Iron Sky: The Coming Race, has been crowdfunded through Indiegogo and is slated for a 2018 release.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Sky
Agreed.
>[Iron Sky] co-financed by numerous individual supporters
>A sequel, titled Iron Sky: The Coming Race, has been crowdfunded through Indiegogo and is slated for a 2018 release.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Sky
>>158646
This.
I've personally seen at businesses and works.
When you don't demand money, you more often than not, end up getting more.
People who undercharge and don't ask for tips or throw in things for free.
Another somewhat related thing, but not really piracy, the more you build up loyalty with your customers, even if it costs you some money now, will eventually turn into more money later on.
It boggles my mind how these huge industries, despite having so much money, don't seem to be very good at actually earning it.
This.
I've personally seen at businesses and works.
When you don't demand money, you more often than not, end up getting more.
People who undercharge and don't ask for tips or throw in things for free.
Another somewhat related thing, but not really piracy, the more you build up loyalty with your customers, even if it costs you some money now, will eventually turn into more money later on.
It boggles my mind how these huge industries, despite having so much money, don't seem to be very good at actually earning it.
>>158534
No, but it's close. Observe:
> YIFY-TORRENTS
Not degenerate.
> YIFF-TORRENTS
Absolutely degenerate.
On a more serious note, I agree with >>158583 that copyright legislation, and really intellectual property law in general is just broken by design, with the exception of non-software patents.
Another issue, at least here, is that copyright, the right to control the making of copies, gets conflated with "authorship rights" (or whatever it might be called in English), the right of an author or creator of something to be identified as such. In other words, I can't take something you have created and claim it as mine.
This second right should probably be absolute and eternal, but the massively extended copyright we have now does not benefit society as a whole and should be rolled back to something more limited. If you create something, you should live to see it have its copyright expire and go into the public domain. Patents already work this way.
No, but it's close. Observe:
> YIFY-TORRENTS
Not degenerate.
> YIFF-TORRENTS
Absolutely degenerate.
On a more serious note, I agree with >>158583 that copyright legislation, and really intellectual property law in general is just broken by design, with the exception of non-software patents.
Another issue, at least here, is that copyright, the right to control the making of copies, gets conflated with "authorship rights" (or whatever it might be called in English), the right of an author or creator of something to be identified as such. In other words, I can't take something you have created and claim it as mine.
This second right should probably be absolute and eternal, but the massively extended copyright we have now does not benefit society as a whole and should be rolled back to something more limited. If you create something, you should live to see it have its copyright expire and go into the public domain. Patents already work this way.
…
>In an ideal world, more money should lead to more creative output, but according to data presented Lunney’s new essay, the reality is quite different. Instead, it suggests that more money leads to less creative output.
>Relying on music sales data dating back to the fifties, adjusted for inflation, and comparing that to a database of most-streamed tracks on Spotify in 2014, the professor reveals an interesting trend. There is no greater preference for music created in the high revenue periods, on the contrary in fact.
>This is backed up by other data presented in Lunney’s book Copyright’s Excess, which also fails to find evidence that more money means better music.
>“There is no evidence that more money meant more or better music. To the contrary, when I found a statistically significant correlation, I found that more money meant fewer and lower quality hit songs,” the professor writes.
>The question is, of course, why?
>According to the professor, it’s simple. Overpaid artists don’t work harder; they work less.
…
https://archive.is/e7IbB
https://torrentfreak.com/copyrights-true-purpose-is-dead-it-never-existed-180715/
>In an ideal world, more money should lead to more creative output, but according to data presented Lunney’s new essay, the reality is quite different. Instead, it suggests that more money leads to less creative output.
>Relying on music sales data dating back to the fifties, adjusted for inflation, and comparing that to a database of most-streamed tracks on Spotify in 2014, the professor reveals an interesting trend. There is no greater preference for music created in the high revenue periods, on the contrary in fact.
>This is backed up by other data presented in Lunney’s book Copyright’s Excess, which also fails to find evidence that more money means better music.
>“There is no evidence that more money meant more or better music. To the contrary, when I found a statistically significant correlation, I found that more money meant fewer and lower quality hit songs,” the professor writes.
>The question is, of course, why?
>According to the professor, it’s simple. Overpaid artists don’t work harder; they work less.
…
https://archive.is/e7IbB
https://torrentfreak.com/copyrights-true-purpose-is-dead-it-never-existed-180715/
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>>158534
No. There was actually a time when I supported indie developers by only pirating triple-A games, but then I realized that they weren't getting any more money just because I refrained from playing them.
I pay for the games I like, not to get to play them but to support the developer for making something good. All the games I've bought I've bought after finishing them, and even now there are games that look good but which I'm not buying because I haven't had a chance to try them yet. Free demo versions are a great concept but I've seen too many games that start off strong before turning to something else entirely to rely on them.
No. There was actually a time when I supported indie developers by only pirating triple-A games, but then I realized that they weren't getting any more money just because I refrained from playing them.
I pay for the games I like, not to get to play them but to support the developer for making something good. All the games I've bought I've bought after finishing them, and even now there are games that look good but which I'm not buying because I haven't had a chance to try them yet. Free demo versions are a great concept but I've seen too many games that start off strong before turning to something else entirely to rely on them.
Like DoctorRandomercam yeah he's a moneybadger but I still think this is a valid tidbit once said: the internet's ushered in an era of buskers where once we had whores. Patreon, crowdfunding, stocks and investments, and so on allow people to make their """intellectual properties""" without hindering the consumer, which is objectievly better for everyone than this corporate idea of forcing people to adhere to draconian ideals of media as a product in and of itself.
I'd mock anyone for doing someone's job worse than the competition and demanding that the competition cowtow to their retarded standards. Whether it be online in this place of absolutely free information, or in real life with cassettes and CDs.
I'd mock anyone for doing someone's job worse than the competition and demanding that the competition cowtow to their retarded standards. Whether it be online in this place of absolutely free information, or in real life with cassettes and CDs.
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