/mlpol/ - My Little Politics

>>149738
It's not degenerate, outs just cocaine for NEET autists thinking they have friends.

>>149738
Nah. Most people aren't very good at having a good discussion which is why it is very simple to weed out normalfags among us. Also having a normalfag friend anon you should be ashamed of yourself. Normalfags are always an underlying threat because they subvert intelligent discussion into what you are describing.

Because there are too many discords out there. So the moment anon posts something challenging, they either get banned to appease that discord's crowd or the people jump to another discord that hugboxes them.

And since it doesn't incentivize challenging questions, the whole thing ends becoming one giant circlejerk like any webcomic forum.

The problem with most discords is they move too fast for anyone to really talk to each other. If you can get a smallish group of people who aren't cancerous together it can be a comfy enough place for real-time discussion, but most discord groups are just massive hives with hundreds of members where everyone is just shitposting 24/7.

>>149826
I'd argue this is how everything devolves in general, towards a /b/ like board or platform. Discord similarly devolves, but is worse because its not anonymous and its a platform that has no respect for right wing discussion. But if a Jew was running it I would not be surprised at this point.

Discord is free spyware and gives people the opportunity to participate in pointless concersations so they can feel good about themselves. Rarely something good or important is said there. I should know. I am using this software since 2016 and it has hardly been of value, ever.

That and Discord is infamous for being in control of Neomarxists and its excessive Discord Drama. If you ever wanted to argue with complete strangers about inane shit that could destroy your life, its the place for you.

Discord is just a program to talk to people with.
If you find problems with the conversations wihin, then I'm sorry but your friends are retards.
Go on a low pop server where everyone involved isn't a retard and it's an enjoyable experience.
Think of it like any board on a chan. Once it hits a certain populace it becomes absolute shit and usless. Then in fractures into slightly better boards until those become shit too.
Eventually there are so many shit people coming from so many shit boards that even a newly created board is shit within minutes.

Discord is a company delivering a "cool & hip"/fashionable version of X.
>>149741
The target audience was gaymers.

Their chat platform has very little merit over existing platforms. So the majority who go to use discord are either:
- underage b& and other newfags
- coming from the last fashionable platform because it's now out of fashion
If you seek people with any attention span, or healthy communities on stable platforms, you won't find them there.

>>149826
Being in the biggest group means a lot if you need your social media fix.
>>149745
IRC, teamspeak, and mumble don't suffer from this problem. On a healthy platform, people spread out to more select topics or circles of friends.

>>149858
Discord is spyware and practices speech control, yes, but not all chat does.

Things get better when you move away from big companies and the platform gets decentralized.

I agree with the general consensus that discord is very fast. This causes less than stellar discussion there and this causes the average sentence of a person there to be at the communication levels of a nigger. Honestly going to discord for any reason is a bad idea because the place actively spies on its userbase and bans those with any dissenting opinions.

>>149738
One big problem is that it is hard to organise a good Server.
You can find Bots that give you internet points, lots of roles and secret channels for cool kids and a huge hierarchy in almost every server. To get those precious roles you have to suck dick and be the bitch of the ingroup, because just the best friends get them.
Just like reddit is creating it's own safe space with upvotes, nearly every Discord server is creating it's own safe space with hierarchies and rewards. And if someone is hurting your feelings, you can create another Discord Server within 5min.

>>149906
I use discord because everyone else does. It's hard to get a circle of friends to switch over to your "hipster program" because they're all sheep who follow whatever the biggest program is.
>It's the biggest, so it's the best

Has anyone here tried an XMPP based program?
It sounds like a good protocol, but I've never looked into it too extensively.

>>150056
Google and Facebook use it for their chat programs, so it's a pretty storied little protocol. Fortunately, it's piss easy to grab an XMPP account at any given provider, since it's a big, federated protocol, kind of like e-mail.
I used to use Jitsi over XMPP in the past. It was a fairly decent Skype alternative, with plenty of security and encryption options built in, though you'd have to use a VPN with it to mask your IP.

>>150057
>>150056
In fact, you can nab an XMPP account over at cock.li, with any of their email accounts: https://cock.li/xmpp

>>150059
I was more curious about their clients/plugins.
Since it can be built on top of, I was wondering if there was a client or set of client + plugins that made it less basic.

>>150061
Fair enough.
Pidgin is the old standby, and getting the OTR plugin for secure chat with it is pretty much a must nowadays.
Adium works, but that's just Pidgin for Macs, so of course it does.
Jitsi was my mainstay, and has the same OTR chat support (and it's very insistent on you verifying it's on and working), but also integrates voice and video chat with similar kinds of encryption. A much better package overall, IMO.
There's other clients, but most of them are either botnets, or don't implement OTR support, making them pretty much worthless in my eyes.

>>150056
I used them years ago, when there was still Google Talk around (which was XMPP and could talk to every other XMPP server). Back then, Google wanted XMPP to be something like the E-Mail of the messanger world, they wanted all different messangers of all different companies to be able to talk to each other.

But then they dropped that and introduced Google Hangouts. They stopped to care about XMPP support and also the development of XMPP clients got slower. XMPP still is the backbone of Facebook Messanger and Google Hangouts and many more, but they all changed it so much that they are not compatible to each other.

And of course Voice and Video Chat in XMPP is still pretty much none-existent.
Two months ago my Skype died again and i thought about switching to XMPP again, but i couldn't find any clients that really support voice calls.
There are some clients that claim to support voice, but it is unstable as fuck.
I would love to try XMPP again, i would even run my own server, that would be awesome. But i just don't know a reliable way to get voice calls.

>>150063
>>150065
https://tox.chat/
There's always Tox, but I haven't look into it too much.
Unfortunately subgroups are a requirement for me which rule most of these things out.

>>150071
Ahh, so you're looking more for something to substitute Discord?
Well, Mumble has always been around for that. Secures everything by default, has all the subgroup support you could want, it's open source, has mobile clients, and it has very nice voice chat handling, but it's pretty well limited to just voice chat and some basic text chat, with no emotes and image posting to speak of.
Honestly, I've wanted /mlpol/ to set up a Mumble server for quite a while, as an alternative to Discord and a supplement to IRC

>>150110
Yeah. I used to use IRC until discord became popular.
It was hard enough to get people to use that though.
Eventually you get tired of having to use 3 or 4 different programs to talk to all your friends. So something like discord (even though it's centralized) is nice.

>>149738
I hate discord
I hate how it tells everyone when you're typing

>>150120
Type faster? I actually like how it does that because I hold off on hitting enter or typing if someone else is. It allows me to not change the subject.
You can always disable it on your server if you have one.

>>150174
thats so fucking beta

>>150189
If I didn't do that no-one would ever get a chance to say anything.
I'm always in control of every conversation I'm in.
Doesn't sound beta to me.

Did anyone here ever try matrix?
I just read this at the fedora start page.
https://fedoramagazine.org/fractal-gnome-matrix-chat-client/

For me it looks like just another messaging protocol. Why don't they just develop for XMPP?

>>150110
How do we know if Mumble is actually secure or not?

Why can't the world go back to IRC?
It was just better.

>>150680
Everything's locked down by default with good old AES-128. A little dated, but definitely still serviceable as far as VoIP goes.
https://wiki.mumble.info/wiki/Features#Encryption

>>149738

Discord is used for doxxing. Friends don't let friends use Discord.