Both are terrible systems to live under. With the mass starvations of communism and the Deitfication of money and looking out for ones own interests of Capitalism.The far superior system is Fascism look at Germany im the 20's and early 30's Hitler with His National socialism turned a country strangled with Degeneracy like child prostitution on the brink of collapse into a superpower.
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/24/sexual-decadence-weimar-germany/
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>>129030
But, after warring against your enemies, what happens to your society? Does it fall into capitalism or communism? Or perhaps the government simply decides to own your labor, after all, it is for the good of the nation you work for just enough to feed your family. That way, the nation can preserve it’s wealth and power.
There are simply too many ways a fully formed socialist society can become corrupt to the point of being harmful to the people it swore to help. The truth is, we need to swing between authoritarian types over government, to eradicate degeneracy and other blights upon the land, to other forms towards ancap, to rid ourselves of corrupt control of a few with little interest for our well being after the crisis is over.
That’s my take anyway.
But, after warring against your enemies, what happens to your society? Does it fall into capitalism or communism? Or perhaps the government simply decides to own your labor, after all, it is for the good of the nation you work for just enough to feed your family. That way, the nation can preserve it’s wealth and power.
There are simply too many ways a fully formed socialist society can become corrupt to the point of being harmful to the people it swore to help. The truth is, we need to swing between authoritarian types over government, to eradicate degeneracy and other blights upon the land, to other forms towards ancap, to rid ourselves of corrupt control of a few with little interest for our well being after the crisis is over.
That’s my take anyway.
>>129035
Just have laws in place that says if that scenario happens the current ruler will be executed.
Just have laws in place that says if that scenario happens the current ruler will be executed.
>>129036
But the ruler makes the rules, and most often has the full backing of the military because of his charm or his might. Thus he can trash any rule that opposes his power. There has to be more in place than a simple law for a system like authoritarian socialism.
But the ruler makes the rules, and most often has the full backing of the military because of his charm or his might. Thus he can trash any rule that opposes his power. There has to be more in place than a simple law for a system like authoritarian socialism.
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>Quoting Obama
>Not realizing the difference between crony "capitalism" and laissez-faire
Germany had been saddled with debt by WW1 and was afflicted with corruption top-to-bottom by the Jews. Rebuild a national backbone and get rid of corruption and prosperity will follow suit. You don't need social programs which are merely for prestige and popular support but are overall a drain on economic performance.
Are you in favor of eugenics? You should support capitalism whole-heartedly, as it is simply natural evolution unrestrained. The intelligent, hard-working, and strong individuals will naturally prosper and serve as examples for the rest. Why do you think Germany always returns to being an economic powerhouse despite wars and setbacks? Socialism and economic centralization only leeches off the efforts of entrepreneurs and is easily corrupted into committing civilization-harming mistakes.
>>129036
Who legislates, interprets, and executes the laws? If it were so simple to stop future corruption with a present decree then America would never have become a mess.
>Not realizing the difference between crony "capitalism" and laissez-faire
Germany had been saddled with debt by WW1 and was afflicted with corruption top-to-bottom by the Jews. Rebuild a national backbone and get rid of corruption and prosperity will follow suit. You don't need social programs which are merely for prestige and popular support but are overall a drain on economic performance.
Are you in favor of eugenics? You should support capitalism whole-heartedly, as it is simply natural evolution unrestrained. The intelligent, hard-working, and strong individuals will naturally prosper and serve as examples for the rest. Why do you think Germany always returns to being an economic powerhouse despite wars and setbacks? Socialism and economic centralization only leeches off the efforts of entrepreneurs and is easily corrupted into committing civilization-harming mistakes.
>>129036
Who legislates, interprets, and executes the laws? If it were so simple to stop future corruption with a present decree then America would never have become a mess.
>>129036
>the current ruler might be executed
By who? And who is the judge of whether it has happened? I think the ruler might beg to differ. And of course whoever has the power to do that may themselves be corrupted and want to oust a good ruler
>the current ruler might be executed
By who? And who is the judge of whether it has happened? I think the ruler might beg to differ. And of course whoever has the power to do that may themselves be corrupted and want to oust a good ruler
>>129040
Definitely would be… as long as the authoritarian doesn’t remove it. Of course, he would have to pry the guns from our cold dead hands to do it.
Definitely would be… as long as the authoritarian doesn’t remove it. Of course, he would have to pry the guns from our cold dead hands to do it.
>>129042
Corruption is never limited when it comes to a man’s heart. Even if the conditions are perfect, maybe not the first ruler, but one of them down the line will be blinded to all the blessings a system would provide, assuming perfect conditions which never happens. He would become power hungry and either squeeze out the wealth of the people like kings of the dark ages did, or make deals with other corrupt (((entities))) to secure more power.
>>129043
Problem being, why have an authoritarian that will cause such an outbreak of civil upheaval, as it often does happen. Rulers always try to take over too much into people’s lives. So why give them the chance? After a few rulers come and go, transition into less government. That way, no attempts to take our guns or various other things we hold dear will ever take place?
Corruption is never limited when it comes to a man’s heart. Even if the conditions are perfect, maybe not the first ruler, but one of them down the line will be blinded to all the blessings a system would provide, assuming perfect conditions which never happens. He would become power hungry and either squeeze out the wealth of the people like kings of the dark ages did, or make deals with other corrupt (((entities))) to secure more power.
>>129043
Problem being, why have an authoritarian that will cause such an outbreak of civil upheaval, as it often does happen. Rulers always try to take over too much into people’s lives. So why give them the chance? After a few rulers come and go, transition into less government. That way, no attempts to take our guns or various other things we hold dear will ever take place?
>>129044
Why would an authoritarian threaten his own power by making a decree that would cause the people to rise up against him?
Why would an authoritarian threaten his own power by making a decree that would cause the people to rise up against him?
>>129044
The thing is though they wont have to do that, because Fascism allows for leaps in technology. So space travel will be easier and we could colonize the stars the fastest with Fascism.
The thing is though they wont have to do that, because Fascism allows for leaps in technology. So space travel will be easier and we could colonize the stars the fastest with Fascism.
>>129046
To secure it for the future. He would only do it when the people are in a state like right now in Britain and Australia, where enough popular support for taking away guns will make such a move possible. Thus, he will control the armies and the guns, securing a rule with no opposition. It takes a people that are not going to put up with that to balance the authoritarian, to make sure a plot like that never sees light of day.
To secure it for the future. He would only do it when the people are in a state like right now in Britain and Australia, where enough popular support for taking away guns will make such a move possible. Thus, he will control the armies and the guns, securing a rule with no opposition. It takes a people that are not going to put up with that to balance the authoritarian, to make sure a plot like that never sees light of day.
>>129047
I’m not saying there should be no fascism. I’m saying there needs to be a swing every so often from it and toward ancap, to make sure neither can go out of control.
I’m not saying there should be no fascism. I’m saying there needs to be a swing every so often from it and toward ancap, to make sure neither can go out of control.
>>129049
I wouldn't mind that if that was the future society a mix of Fascism and ancapism, but that is not necessary. If the folk are bonded.
I wouldn't mind that if that was the future society a mix of Fascism and ancapism, but that is not necessary. If the folk are bonded.
>>129051
Folk can be bonded, but power can separate people from the strength of bonds. It plays with their sense of servitude. They start to think the position isn’t made to serve the people, but rather to be served. That is the danger of letting fascism run on for too long of a time. How long is that time? I don’t know, I haven’t seen enough of a lasting fascist society to tell.
Folk can be bonded, but power can separate people from the strength of bonds. It plays with their sense of servitude. They start to think the position isn’t made to serve the people, but rather to be served. That is the danger of letting fascism run on for too long of a time. How long is that time? I don’t know, I haven’t seen enough of a lasting fascist society to tell.
>>129054
Because of both history and my research in the Bible. People, no matter their ethnic purity, get the mindset to gain wealth and power over others. Just look to the Greeks for example. They formed city states and fought all the time. They were not bonded by race, but by ideas each city upheld. And after Alexander the Great came and conquered it all, when he died the land was split among the four sons he left behind, causing war to break out for each other’s land and power.
Because of both history and my research in the Bible. People, no matter their ethnic purity, get the mindset to gain wealth and power over others. Just look to the Greeks for example. They formed city states and fought all the time. They were not bonded by race, but by ideas each city upheld. And after Alexander the Great came and conquered it all, when he died the land was split among the four sons he left behind, causing war to break out for each other’s land and power.
>>129058
Because land owners don't want to give up land. Also, what happens when you run out of land?
Because land owners don't want to give up land. Also, what happens when you run out of land?
>>129057
Thats why having multiple heirs can be a bad thing in a monarchy. If you instill such a fervor in your people with Fascism and Christianity, that society could do literally anything.
Thats why having multiple heirs can be a bad thing in a monarchy. If you instill such a fervor in your people with Fascism and Christianity, that society could do literally anything.
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>>129061
Correct, but in that also lies a problem. The things you can accomplish is great, but the downside is that no society will follow Christian values forever. Take a look at the Catholics. inb4 I’m burned for heresy The Catholics started with Christian fervor and slowly crept into taking over all facets of life, under the guise of religion. They kept people from making discoveries and making decisions that may jeopardize the church power. They even sold people assurance that they were going to heaven. That’s what happens to an institution after years of virtually limitless power. The result of not letting off some control of the church was a violent break in it with Puritans that sought to reform, Separatists that refused to have anything to do with the Catholics, and the ones that remained loyal. They fought amongst each other, with blood being shed. What led the people to this state? The desires of rulers to control and be served instead of serving.
>>129064
Oh grow up. The jews wish to kill Christians that keep to the text. It’s the Christians of the modern churches that are the ones to worry about.
Correct, but in that also lies a problem. The things you can accomplish is great, but the downside is that no society will follow Christian values forever. Take a look at the Catholics. inb4 I’m burned for heresy The Catholics started with Christian fervor and slowly crept into taking over all facets of life, under the guise of religion. They kept people from making discoveries and making decisions that may jeopardize the church power. They even sold people assurance that they were going to heaven. That’s what happens to an institution after years of virtually limitless power. The result of not letting off some control of the church was a violent break in it with Puritans that sought to reform, Separatists that refused to have anything to do with the Catholics, and the ones that remained loyal. They fought amongst each other, with blood being shed. What led the people to this state? The desires of rulers to control and be served instead of serving.
>>129064
Oh grow up. The jews wish to kill Christians that keep to the text. It’s the Christians of the modern churches that are the ones to worry about.
>>129068
That may work for a while, but it wouldn’t be any permanent fix. I believe any empire must fall after some time. No organization can uphold itself indefinitely, for how I see it. So why not ease the rise and fall of power by making a system that transitions from fascism to ancap policy and back again? Maybe what I’m asking is impossible, but it is an interesting thought experiment.
That may work for a while, but it wouldn’t be any permanent fix. I believe any empire must fall after some time. No organization can uphold itself indefinitely, for how I see it. So why not ease the rise and fall of power by making a system that transitions from fascism to ancap policy and back again? Maybe what I’m asking is impossible, but it is an interesting thought experiment.
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>>129059
People wouldn't have to give up everything under a distributist system. You can still have and trade private property.
People wouldn't have to give up everything under a distributist system. You can still have and trade private property.
>>129091
Sounds more like a community thing than something that a large nation should practice to me.
Sounds more like a community thing than something that a large nation should practice to me.
Alright, as the board’s resident AnCap, I feel the need to respond.
Let’s start by defining Capitalism.
Capitalism: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market. Some characteristics that are central to capitalism include: private property, capital accumulation, wage labor, voluntary exchange, a price system and competitive markets.
Now that we have our definition out of the way, I would like to focus on your first image, and why that is not Capitalism.
This example more accurately portrays theft. The people in power are taking money without giving goods and services in return. A Capitalist panel would be better portrayed as a man working to earn money, then exchanging it for a gun.
Now on to (((Obama))). Seriously, that’s who you picked?
No, just no. Communism is based off of ownership by the community, Capitalism is based off of ownership by the individual.
As for Hitler's quote, I do not know enough about his views of Capitalism and the context behind it. Therefore I will not be talking about it at this time.
I am quite open to hearing more about National Socialism
though.
Let’s start by defining Capitalism.
Capitalism: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market. Some characteristics that are central to capitalism include: private property, capital accumulation, wage labor, voluntary exchange, a price system and competitive markets.
Now that we have our definition out of the way, I would like to focus on your first image, and why that is not Capitalism.
This example more accurately portrays theft. The people in power are taking money without giving goods and services in return. A Capitalist panel would be better portrayed as a man working to earn money, then exchanging it for a gun.
Now on to (((Obama))). Seriously, that’s who you picked?
No, just no. Communism is based off of ownership by the community, Capitalism is based off of ownership by the individual.
As for Hitler's quote, I do not know enough about his views of Capitalism and the context behind it. Therefore I will not be talking about it at this time.
I am quite open to hearing more about National Socialism
though.
In order to be strong, you need capitalism. Add socialism to it and you get facistim
>>129094
The more I listen to arguments from both National Socialists and Anarcho-Capitalists, the more I'm left with one question in my mind:
And I the only person in the entire world who supports both capitalism, and a strong nation state?
Seriously, I can't agree with Ancaps because I don't trust major corporations without restrictions, and I can't agree with National Socialists because I think capitalism is the best economic system we have.
The more I listen to arguments from both National Socialists and Anarcho-Capitalists, the more I'm left with one question in my mind:
And I the only person in the entire world who supports both capitalism, and a strong nation state?
Seriously, I can't agree with Ancaps because I don't trust major corporations without restrictions, and I can't agree with National Socialists because I think capitalism is the best economic system we have.
>>129098
I think that makes you a national capitalist, if I don't have my terms fucked up. I also believe in something along those lines, you aren't alone.
I think that makes you a national capitalist, if I don't have my terms fucked up. I also believe in something along those lines, you aren't alone.
>>129100
Prove me wrong. Tell me where, ANYWHERE in history, having money -trade items- Is a bad thing when it comes to running a nation
Prove me wrong. Tell me where, ANYWHERE in history, having money -trade items- Is a bad thing when it comes to running a nation
>>129100
Capitalism was created in 1600 with the public incorporation of the VOC in Amsterdam. It led the British and Dutch colonial empires to wealth and glory, and would do the same in early America. None of this had anything to do with jews, and definitely led to elevating Europe and its peoples
Capitalism was created in 1600 with the public incorporation of the VOC in Amsterdam. It led the British and Dutch colonial empires to wealth and glory, and would do the same in early America. None of this had anything to do with jews, and definitely led to elevating Europe and its peoples
>>129104
Having money isnt the problem, the way in which is obtained by the elites and those in charge is abhorrent.
Having money isnt the problem, the way in which is obtained by the elites and those in charge is abhorrent.
>>129107
To a degree. But what if someone use's said money to improve the state? How can Cap be considered bad if it leads to the strength of a nation? Greed is bad but earning money to uphold your gov really inst, depending on how its done
To a degree. But what if someone use's said money to improve the state? How can Cap be considered bad if it leads to the strength of a nation? Greed is bad but earning money to uphold your gov really inst, depending on how its done
>>129111
Taking out insurance policies on the world trade center worth more than the building its self,week before 9/11.
Taking out insurance policies on the world trade center worth more than the building its self,week before 9/11.
>>129114
They bribe the judges and politicians to get off m8.
>unless you're saying these things should be illegal and Capitalism is bad for not making it legal
No
They bribe the judges and politicians to get off m8.
>unless you're saying these things should be illegal and Capitalism is bad for not making it legal
No
>>129113
I agree, National Capitalism seems like the ideal situation. I'll help you to do whatever is needed to get this ball rolling!
I agree, National Capitalism seems like the ideal situation. I'll help you to do whatever is needed to get this ball rolling!
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For fucks sake, Capitalist just want a nice and comfy life to live. LET THEM MAKE MONEY AND CONTRIBUTE TO YOUR SOCIETY = OR STFU AND BE A POOR COMMIE YOU FUCKS
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>>129120
Everything is jews this and jews that for fucks sake stfu and decided. DO YOU WANT CAPITALIST OR NOT. I can say for a FACT the caps would OP non Caps
Everything is jews this and jews that for fucks sake stfu and decided. DO YOU WANT CAPITALIST OR NOT. I can say for a FACT the caps would OP non Caps
>>129116
So…. your issue with Capitalism is that it is corrupted, pretty much literally, by Jews who engage in illegal activities outside of the system?
So…. your issue with Capitalism is that it is corrupted, pretty much literally, by Jews who engage in illegal activities outside of the system?
>>129116
That's an issue with judicial corruption, not capitalism. It's a problem that existed for as long as currency has existed.
>>129117
We should start by outlining the core principles of the ideology. I'm going to take a day or so to think on something, and then create a thread for a discussion on National Capitalist ideology.
>>129121
That sounds great. What did you have in mind?
That's an issue with judicial corruption, not capitalism. It's a problem that existed for as long as currency has existed.
>>129117
We should start by outlining the core principles of the ideology. I'm going to take a day or so to think on something, and then create a thread for a discussion on National Capitalist ideology.
>>129121
That sounds great. What did you have in mind?
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>>129124
The whole Federal government which is capitalist is corrupted. The only way to cut out the (((Cancer))) is Fascism.
The whole Federal government which is capitalist is corrupted. The only way to cut out the (((Cancer))) is Fascism.
>>129127
But, once the corruption is removed, then would you agree there is nothing wrong with capitalism?
But, once the corruption is removed, then would you agree there is nothing wrong with capitalism?
>>129126
I said EXPLAIN it all. Not half answer it.
Explain how those who want power and money cant use said powers n money right via capitalist society?
I said EXPLAIN it all. Not half answer it.
Explain how those who want power and money cant use said powers n money right via capitalist society?
>>129135
The first thought that came in my mind was the National Socialist flag with the red switched out for yellow. Seems like a good start with which to improve on from there.
The first thought that came in my mind was the National Socialist flag with the red switched out for yellow. Seems like a good start with which to improve on from there.
>>129134
Anti-monopoly laws seem pretty goyish.
>>129133
The people are more important than your money m8. You and other capitalist put money before the betterment and well being of our folk. Our the migrant crisis wouldn't be destroying our peoples homeland right now, and the blacks would have been deported after they were freed, but capitalist like the tyrant lincoln Dont care about our volk.
Anti-monopoly laws seem pretty goyish.
>>129133
The people are more important than your money m8. You and other capitalist put money before the betterment and well being of our folk. Our the migrant crisis wouldn't be destroying our peoples homeland right now, and the blacks would have been deported after they were freed, but capitalist like the tyrant lincoln Dont care about our volk.
>>129093
Why shouldn't it be practiced by large nations? If the means of production are all owned by a few large corporations then those corporations will eventually take control of the nation. If we made policies to ensure the means of production were as wide spread as possible it would be much more difficult for a few people to take a control of a nation.
Why shouldn't it be practiced by large nations? If the means of production are all owned by a few large corporations then those corporations will eventually take control of the nation. If we made policies to ensure the means of production were as wide spread as possible it would be much more difficult for a few people to take a control of a nation.
>>129141
It sounds good one paper, but it definitely would be impossible to organize on a large scale. Everyone gets a small property? What if I want more land? Is that enforced by law that I can’t have more? What is the penalty if so? How hard is it to move if the land is already distributed to everyone? How does willing property work? Does the eldest get the land and the rest ask the government for their tracts of land, or does the land get split smaller than what it already is?
The practicality is just not there in my eyes.
It sounds good one paper, but it definitely would be impossible to organize on a large scale. Everyone gets a small property? What if I want more land? Is that enforced by law that I can’t have more? What is the penalty if so? How hard is it to move if the land is already distributed to everyone? How does willing property work? Does the eldest get the land and the rest ask the government for their tracts of land, or does the land get split smaller than what it already is?
The practicality is just not there in my eyes.
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>>129065
>>129066
>>129067
Keep on being good goys. Never question 2,000 years of propaganda. Never question the jewISH parasite created idea of doublethink. Never question the idiocy of "two parties" owned by one side. Never stop unintentionally shilling for parasitic judaism which flows under a thousand other names. Never stop being cucked.
>>129066
>>129067
Keep on being good goys. Never question 2,000 years of propaganda. Never question the jewISH parasite created idea of doublethink. Never question the idiocy of "two parties" owned by one side. Never stop unintentionally shilling for parasitic judaism which flows under a thousand other names. Never stop being cucked.
>>129145
Property is more than land. Stock in a company, money, machinery, are all property. Wealth caps and a progressive tax would prevent people from accumulating too much wealth and power.
Property is more than land. Stock in a company, money, machinery, are all property. Wealth caps and a progressive tax would prevent people from accumulating too much wealth and power.
>>129149
The implication that Anon meant is simple: anti-monopoly laws would only protect the non-jew since it would prevent a monopoly from being able to form in the first place. Anti-monopoly laws can only be for goyim, not for a jew, as it is directly against jewISH interests for a free, fair system of trade. Also white men make anti-monopoly laws, so they are automatically anti-jewish and thus "racist".
The implication that Anon meant is simple: anti-monopoly laws would only protect the non-jew since it would prevent a monopoly from being able to form in the first place. Anti-monopoly laws can only be for goyim, not for a jew, as it is directly against jewISH interests for a free, fair system of trade. Also white men make anti-monopoly laws, so they are automatically anti-jewish and thus "racist".
>>129148
And never wake up little goy, thinking your brothers are your enemy. Keep trying to destroy your allies! Good!
That’s why we taught Christianity in the USSR and discouraged atheism…
Oh wait. No they didn’t.
And if they control both of us, how do you know they don’t control your side? Oh, is it because you don’t want to admit that most all religions are promoted in the jewish “coexist” movement, while at the same time removing Christianity from our lands through ACLU and other JEW run organizations.
And never wake up little goy, thinking your brothers are your enemy. Keep trying to destroy your allies! Good!
That’s why we taught Christianity in the USSR and discouraged atheism…
Oh wait. No they didn’t.
And if they control both of us, how do you know they don’t control your side? Oh, is it because you don’t want to admit that most all religions are promoted in the jewish “coexist” movement, while at the same time removing Christianity from our lands through ACLU and other JEW run organizations.
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>>129154
You are implying neo-athiesm which was created by Freud, Trotsky, Nietzsche, and other jews of the pre-WW1 jewish movements to complete their destruction of all philia-based societies. Neo-athiesm is not classical athiesm, therefore your argument is false and falls flat on all accounts. Irrefutable fact: each facet of christianity is jewish owned, the total infiltration phase of which was completed by the time of the Napoleonic Wars. You willfully turn a blind eye to jewISH interests while at the same time protecting and promoting jewISH interest by furthering religious divisions among cultures & societies. None the wiser for your actions, you are doing the work of jews for them.
You are implying neo-athiesm which was created by Freud, Trotsky, Nietzsche, and other jews of the pre-WW1 jewish movements to complete their destruction of all philia-based societies. Neo-athiesm is not classical athiesm, therefore your argument is false and falls flat on all accounts. Irrefutable fact: each facet of christianity is jewish owned, the total infiltration phase of which was completed by the time of the Napoleonic Wars. You willfully turn a blind eye to jewISH interests while at the same time protecting and promoting jewISH interest by furthering religious divisions among cultures & societies. None the wiser for your actions, you are doing the work of jews for them.
>>129155
Explain “muh classical atheism”. I bet you have this long speech on how different it is. But guess what? It is the belief that there is no God. Plain and simple. How can there be a “neo-atheism” if it is just the same thing, a belief in no higher power than yourself… more jewish lies. You are your own god goy! Do as you please.
And what the hell is this message of unity among the religions? This is PURE Zionist bullshit. What do we gain from having one religion? Oh, the fact that everyone is controlled by one doctrine? Sounds perfect! No corruption here.
The fact you are promoting the “coexist” narrative of refusing religious differences makes me really thing you have bought into the simplest trick in the book: one religion, one sex, one currency, one language, one world order.
This has been a JEWish trick from the beginning, which shocks me to how you haven’t seen it before. Why don’t we want separation of cultures again? Are we not supposed to be separate from the niggers, the Jews, and the sand nogs? The hell is this unity speech your feeding me? Religion helps define a culture and without it, then we not accept other forms of unity? Multiculturalism… open boarders… all together in love…. accepting degeneracy. Your really confusing me here anon.
Explain “muh classical atheism”. I bet you have this long speech on how different it is. But guess what? It is the belief that there is no God. Plain and simple. How can there be a “neo-atheism” if it is just the same thing, a belief in no higher power than yourself… more jewish lies. You are your own god goy! Do as you please.
And what the hell is this message of unity among the religions? This is PURE Zionist bullshit. What do we gain from having one religion? Oh, the fact that everyone is controlled by one doctrine? Sounds perfect! No corruption here.
The fact you are promoting the “coexist” narrative of refusing religious differences makes me really thing you have bought into the simplest trick in the book: one religion, one sex, one currency, one language, one world order.
This has been a JEWish trick from the beginning, which shocks me to how you haven’t seen it before. Why don’t we want separation of cultures again? Are we not supposed to be separate from the niggers, the Jews, and the sand nogs? The hell is this unity speech your feeding me? Religion helps define a culture and without it, then we not accept other forms of unity? Multiculturalism… open boarders… all together in love…. accepting degeneracy. Your really confusing me here anon.
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>>129156
I have not once promoted a single ideology based on flawed religious premises. Your continued efforts in resorting to that method of jewISH attack vectors shows that you do not have a solid grasp on your own indoctrination. There is no unity, only eventual conflict, mediation, and mutual respect. Religious and racial divisioning is the primary tool of jewISH interests, and you are throwing out that strawman argument as often as possible in the hope of catching flies with acid. It is an irrefutable fact that christianity is an attempt to control all non-jewISH religions by creating a single unified system of controlled beliefs.
Likewise you just outed yourself, ShareBlue/CAP/Soros Foundation shill: a logical, reasonable, rational man WILL NOT accept a singular, all-encompassing belief system that would force all human beings into becoming utterly subservient to ONE primary tribal religion which would destroy all borders between cultures. That is degeneracy at its finest.
I have not once promoted a single ideology based on flawed religious premises. Your continued efforts in resorting to that method of jewISH attack vectors shows that you do not have a solid grasp on your own indoctrination. There is no unity, only eventual conflict, mediation, and mutual respect. Religious and racial divisioning is the primary tool of jewISH interests, and you are throwing out that strawman argument as often as possible in the hope of catching flies with acid. It is an irrefutable fact that christianity is an attempt to control all non-jewISH religions by creating a single unified system of controlled beliefs.
Likewise you just outed yourself, ShareBlue/CAP/Soros Foundation shill: a logical, reasonable, rational man WILL NOT accept a singular, all-encompassing belief system that would force all human beings into becoming utterly subservient to ONE primary tribal religion which would destroy all borders between cultures. That is degeneracy at its finest.
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>>129159
Now I am completely lost. I just asked you about the differences between neo-atheism and classical. You did not provide this. Then you claim I am the irrational one by saying I am using jewish attack, when you first attacked my stance. Then you claim that my religion wants to take over, when you just said that having your atheism would break down division among the cultures and form unity… by force. In short, you just took all of my points and threw them back at me without answering a damn thing. I wouldn’t mind as much of you wouldn’t claim I am a your enemy.
And now you claim me as a shill when you refuse to approach this in a rational way yourself. I am open to your rationalism. Let me have it. Or will you ignore me because I believe differently than you? Perhaps this discussion has hit a nerve. Perhaps Christianity has effected you in a negative way in the past. or maybe your the troll here But regardless, I want to understand your position, no matter how contradictory it sounds right now.
Now I am completely lost. I just asked you about the differences between neo-atheism and classical. You did not provide this. Then you claim I am the irrational one by saying I am using jewish attack, when you first attacked my stance. Then you claim that my religion wants to take over, when you just said that having your atheism would break down division among the cultures and form unity… by force. In short, you just took all of my points and threw them back at me without answering a damn thing. I wouldn’t mind as much of you wouldn’t claim I am a your enemy.
And now you claim me as a shill when you refuse to approach this in a rational way yourself. I am open to your rationalism. Let me have it. Or will you ignore me because I believe differently than you? Perhaps this discussion has hit a nerve. Perhaps Christianity has effected you in a negative way in the past. or maybe your the troll here But regardless, I want to understand your position, no matter how contradictory it sounds right now.
>>129166
I hold no flawed religious beliefs as I care nothing for petty arguments over unfounded, unreasonable, illogical, superstitious claims of religious wholesomeness for everyone. Mere petty tales distilled and repeated ad nauseum from the talmud, torah, and judaized-kabbalah scripts are of no substance and have zero basis in neither fact nor history. As such, they do not affect me. Logic, reason, and rationale are far more consistent guides than believing in books written and forever being manipulated by jewISH parasites whom have no concern over humanity except by which to rule it forever. It is irrefutable fact that all jewISH created and infiltrated religions are murderous, centralized control mechanisms created solely to destroy the differences between cultures and subjugate them. Fact: borders create culture. Fact: culture IS the cult of man, their philia which is the blood-and-flesh bonding between individuals of a society, an oxytocin-affirmed bonding between humans of similar race.
Your posts scream and cry of an emotional temper tantrum that this is not true, that you are not getting your way, that you are not being catered to and thus you are being maligned. You deny that you are fully indoctrinated in jewISH manipulation, thus you cannot even attempt to perceive how that is causing you to act in such regard that you automatically seek to defend and protect the jew by the very attempt to claim that I have somehow been maligned by jewISH-owned christianity. You are falling in line with those contemptible jew parasites named Freud and Nietzsche, using their same exact false psychoanalytic tactics to always attack, always denigrate, always shame, and always seek to humiliate an opponent by questioning their "morality", questioning their private upbringing which no honorable man needs ask, questioning "what hurt you?" in the hopes of finding some new avenue of offense. By throwing out those same unsubstantiated claims of potential molestation in the hopes that it will cause a detractor to become fearful and therefore silent, you have openly acknowledged yourself as a tool. I will not fall for your willingly used jewISH created tactic of silencing opposition through perceived notions of guilt or shame. Shitty job, ShareBlue/CAP/Soros Foundation shill, for failing to use your entire handbook in an exemplary manner.
I hold no flawed religious beliefs as I care nothing for petty arguments over unfounded, unreasonable, illogical, superstitious claims of religious wholesomeness for everyone. Mere petty tales distilled and repeated ad nauseum from the talmud, torah, and judaized-kabbalah scripts are of no substance and have zero basis in neither fact nor history. As such, they do not affect me. Logic, reason, and rationale are far more consistent guides than believing in books written and forever being manipulated by jewISH parasites whom have no concern over humanity except by which to rule it forever. It is irrefutable fact that all jewISH created and infiltrated religions are murderous, centralized control mechanisms created solely to destroy the differences between cultures and subjugate them. Fact: borders create culture. Fact: culture IS the cult of man, their philia which is the blood-and-flesh bonding between individuals of a society, an oxytocin-affirmed bonding between humans of similar race.
Your posts scream and cry of an emotional temper tantrum that this is not true, that you are not getting your way, that you are not being catered to and thus you are being maligned. You deny that you are fully indoctrinated in jewISH manipulation, thus you cannot even attempt to perceive how that is causing you to act in such regard that you automatically seek to defend and protect the jew by the very attempt to claim that I have somehow been maligned by jewISH-owned christianity. You are falling in line with those contemptible jew parasites named Freud and Nietzsche, using their same exact false psychoanalytic tactics to always attack, always denigrate, always shame, and always seek to humiliate an opponent by questioning their "morality", questioning their private upbringing which no honorable man needs ask, questioning "what hurt you?" in the hopes of finding some new avenue of offense. By throwing out those same unsubstantiated claims of potential molestation in the hopes that it will cause a detractor to become fearful and therefore silent, you have openly acknowledged yourself as a tool. I will not fall for your willingly used jewISH created tactic of silencing opposition through perceived notions of guilt or shame. Shitty job, ShareBlue/CAP/Soros Foundation shill, for failing to use your entire handbook in an exemplary manner.
>>129181
First off, I never questioned your morals, nor did I ask you what hurt you with Christianity, though I did mention it may be the case, as to your emotional responses.
Second off, I asked you for the differences in classical and neo-atheism. You STILL have not provided.
Third, you claim there is no historical evidence to any religion, which is plain wrong. Even if you argue Jesus was not real, though there is clear evidence there was indeed a man of this description, hen how do you deny the likes of Buddha, Moses, Solomon, Muhammad, and others? These are all real people and can’t be brushed aside as not real. This doesn’t prove the religion to be correct, but there is historical evidence.
Fourth, you have time and again claimed I am attacking you with pure emotion, while each of your posts have been nothing but emotional responses to my position. Please, I beg you, stop falling on this position. It is making you out to be as dumb as you think I am.
Fifth, you again claim me as a shill that refuses to think logically, yet you provide nothing of logic to follow. For this, I regret to say, makes you out to be a shill if your ideology. Whether or not that is the case, it appears you don’t intend to debate, or at least make your point known other than my ideology is shit and evil.
I would like to continue this, but it appears you are fed up with me. I will leave you to your remarks.
First off, I never questioned your morals, nor did I ask you what hurt you with Christianity, though I did mention it may be the case, as to your emotional responses.
Second off, I asked you for the differences in classical and neo-atheism. You STILL have not provided.
Third, you claim there is no historical evidence to any religion, which is plain wrong. Even if you argue Jesus was not real, though there is clear evidence there was indeed a man of this description, hen how do you deny the likes of Buddha, Moses, Solomon, Muhammad, and others? These are all real people and can’t be brushed aside as not real. This doesn’t prove the religion to be correct, but there is historical evidence.
Fourth, you have time and again claimed I am attacking you with pure emotion, while each of your posts have been nothing but emotional responses to my position. Please, I beg you, stop falling on this position. It is making you out to be as dumb as you think I am.
Fifth, you again claim me as a shill that refuses to think logically, yet you provide nothing of logic to follow. For this, I regret to say, makes you out to be a shill if your ideology. Whether or not that is the case, it appears you don’t intend to debate, or at least make your point known other than my ideology is shit and evil.
I would like to continue this, but it appears you are fed up with me. I will leave you to your remarks.
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>>129185
#1: you did question my "morals". Likewise you stated: "Perhaps this discussion has hit a nerve. Perhaps Christianity has effected you in a negative way in the past", which is pure Freud/Nietzsche pandering. You have thrown multiple emotional temper tantrums when trying to identify what possible attack vectors can be utilized against me.
#2: this will be stated for the second and final time as I despise repeating myself: I hold no flawed religious beliefs as I care nothing for petty arguments over unfounded, unreasonable, illogical, superstitious claims. You have failed to even meet the basic standards for objective informational retrieval. The entire internet is at your disposal, yet you remain to rant, rave, scream, and cry that I am somehow at your disposal to explain a refusal? No.
#3: the religions based upon those "persons" have been extensively fabricated and manipulated for over 2,000 by jewISH parasites throughout history. Even a casual search proves as much. That is called public knowledge.
#4: desperately throwing out (((your))) opinion that I am somehow doing wrong, while you ARE doing wrong, is ad hominem. You've been a good goy today, so maybe you deserve some shekels by your masters in the IMF, or is it the zionist Defamation League that holds your cucked purse strings?
#5: same as above.
#1: you did question my "morals". Likewise you stated: "Perhaps this discussion has hit a nerve. Perhaps Christianity has effected you in a negative way in the past", which is pure Freud/Nietzsche pandering. You have thrown multiple emotional temper tantrums when trying to identify what possible attack vectors can be utilized against me.
#2: this will be stated for the second and final time as I despise repeating myself: I hold no flawed religious beliefs as I care nothing for petty arguments over unfounded, unreasonable, illogical, superstitious claims. You have failed to even meet the basic standards for objective informational retrieval. The entire internet is at your disposal, yet you remain to rant, rave, scream, and cry that I am somehow at your disposal to explain a refusal? No.
#3: the religions based upon those "persons" have been extensively fabricated and manipulated for over 2,000 by jewISH parasites throughout history. Even a casual search proves as much. That is called public knowledge.
#4: desperately throwing out (((your))) opinion that I am somehow doing wrong, while you ARE doing wrong, is ad hominem. You've been a good goy today, so maybe you deserve some shekels by your masters in the IMF, or is it the zionist Defamation League that holds your cucked purse strings?
#5: same as above.
>>129188
Maybe I’m stupid, but none of what your saying makes sense to me. It’s like your not even reading what I am writing and your responding to the first thing you see in each line. Then you double down on what you said in the last post. I can’t make heads or tails of it. Sorry.
>I hold no religious beliefs, therefore I don’t answer to you
Oh well… this has been… I can’t even joke about it being educational. You have wasted my time. You refused to change my mind or at the very least point out useful information for me. All you have done is say I’m a jew. Thus I am done. You haven’t done anything but derail this thread. I’m sorry that my belief in the Lord Jesus Christ has offended you so and I’m sorry for engaging in this useless debate. I should have been more clear with my points, but I lack communication skills necessary to help make my position understood.
Shall we get back on track?
From my point of view, socialism is not particularly useful as it promotes a general welfare to those that haven’t earned it. People argue for work programs, which may be helpful for a rough economic time, but I think it simply can’t work long term. The government can’t afford to pay for all the people underneath it. I believe capitalism is good, but should be used in conjunction with barter system, as it removes control of the exchange from things like taxes and other influences.
Maybe I’m stupid, but none of what your saying makes sense to me. It’s like your not even reading what I am writing and your responding to the first thing you see in each line. Then you double down on what you said in the last post. I can’t make heads or tails of it. Sorry.
>I hold no religious beliefs, therefore I don’t answer to you
Oh well… this has been… I can’t even joke about it being educational. You have wasted my time. You refused to change my mind or at the very least point out useful information for me. All you have done is say I’m a jew. Thus I am done. You haven’t done anything but derail this thread. I’m sorry that my belief in the Lord Jesus Christ has offended you so and I’m sorry for engaging in this useless debate. I should have been more clear with my points, but I lack communication skills necessary to help make my position understood.
Shall we get back on track?
From my point of view, socialism is not particularly useful as it promotes a general welfare to those that haven’t earned it. People argue for work programs, which may be helpful for a rough economic time, but I think it simply can’t work long term. The government can’t afford to pay for all the people underneath it. I believe capitalism is good, but should be used in conjunction with barter system, as it removes control of the exchange from things like taxes and other influences.
>>129191
Were you to ever consider the possibility of being completely indoctrinated to the point where you can commit no reasonable, rational, logical response without acting in perfect lock step accord with jewISH interests, perhaps this may enlighten you:
http://jesusneverexisted.com/syncretism.html
Were you to ever consider the possibility of being completely indoctrinated to the point where you can commit no reasonable, rational, logical response without acting in perfect lock step accord with jewISH interests, perhaps this may enlighten you:
http://jesusneverexisted.com/syncretism.html
>>129191
>You're not even reading what I am writing and you're responding to the first thing you see in each line
Uh… his last reply literally addressed all of your statements, dude.
>You refused to change my mind or at the very least point out useful information for me
No information is useful for you because you have no intention to use the information he provides. For the record, he makes direct refutals to your arguments by making appeals to rationality and reason (?!, e.g. in how the (((biblical))) resources were manipulated and are not considered to be accurate when cross-referenced with contemporary sources.
>I'm sorry that my belief in the (((Lord Jesus Christ))) has offended you…
Blah blah blah, more of this. Believing in the watered-down versions of fables stolen from tribes by a bunch of converts to an ancient tribe is offensive to the gift of human reasoning. The proof is right in front of you, but you choose to push crypto-Judaism wherever you go.
>You're not even reading what I am writing and you're responding to the first thing you see in each line
Uh… his last reply literally addressed all of your statements, dude.
>You refused to change my mind or at the very least point out useful information for me
No information is useful for you because you have no intention to use the information he provides. For the record, he makes direct refutals to your arguments by making appeals to rationality and reason (?!, e.g. in how the (((biblical))) resources were manipulated and are not considered to be accurate when cross-referenced with contemporary sources.
>I'm sorry that my belief in the (((Lord Jesus Christ))) has offended you…
Blah blah blah, more of this. Believing in the watered-down versions of fables stolen from tribes by a bunch of converts to an ancient tribe is offensive to the gift of human reasoning. The proof is right in front of you, but you choose to push crypto-Judaism wherever you go.
>>129193
>>129194
I guess that is a no.
Well, I’m sorry I’m so stupid. Yes, I have considered that everything was a lie, and yes I have seen all the evidence that it is fake. I don’t believe it, but I have seen it. Maybe it is insane to you, but I believe Jesus Christ died for my sins. I guess I will never convince you, but I remain in my faith.
>>129194
I guess that is a no.
Well, I’m sorry I’m so stupid. Yes, I have considered that everything was a lie, and yes I have seen all the evidence that it is fake. I don’t believe it, but I have seen it. Maybe it is insane to you, but I believe Jesus Christ died for my sins. I guess I will never convince you, but I remain in my faith.
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If your ideas are truly superior then you should expound them at length rather than say the opponents' are somehow invalid because they were founded "by a Jew" (for the record, Jesus had been murdered by the Jews and the foundations of anarcho-capitalism before Mises were laid by non-Jews such as Smith, Bastiat, and Bohm von Bawerk). Attacking character is the same tool that the Marxists use (often to dismiss ideas by associating them with Hitler) and if you're better than them you can act less hysterical.
Rampant anti-intellectualism is something the Jewry want us to embrace.
Rampant anti-intellectualism is something the Jewry want us to embrace.
>>129195
You are a shining example of how the jewISH parasite infests the human mind. It will perform any act to survive against all beneficial, helpful foreign intervention, in order to gestate and proliferate among new hosts; friends, family, colleagues, fellow humans. That is how the USSR was controlled so thoroughly: create neo-athiesm and deploy it en masse, yet at the same time carefully deploy deliberately opposing jewISH controlled sects of christianity as "refuges", as "safe havens" through which to "fight against" the primary infection while simultaneously ignoring and aiding the secondary infection. When both sides are controlled by the jewISH parasite, whom can win? The answer: neither. There have always been alternatives yet you cannot even consider them. You are the definition of insanity: the very carrier of a mind virus.
>>129194
I recognize you from other threads, however I also recognize several of your memes. You were taught them, correct? If that is the case, and, at this I am breaking long standing tradition among brothers-at-arms that took the first oath yet not the second, I am forced to ask nonetheless: do you know the Old Man? That is of course not his chosen name. It changed depending on the injuries inflicted onto him by the jewISH parasites each day.
>>129203
When one makes a claim that cannot be substantiated by history, and is instead an unequivocal lie counterfeited for nearly 1,900 years straight, one must question the propaganda or they will fall to it. Some cannot see the benefit of doubt, yet they will also cry "foul! foul! you are not one of us! you do not believe the way we do! you are the heretic here, not us!" Myths, stories, tales of legendry are ever stolen, re-glorified in new terms for new purposes. It is an amusement to see the way in which the foundations and the house are but bare facades, incapable of standing on their own. This is the way of the jew: always short-sighted, ever small minded:
http://jesusneverexisted.com/surfeit.htm
You are a shining example of how the jewISH parasite infests the human mind. It will perform any act to survive against all beneficial, helpful foreign intervention, in order to gestate and proliferate among new hosts; friends, family, colleagues, fellow humans. That is how the USSR was controlled so thoroughly: create neo-athiesm and deploy it en masse, yet at the same time carefully deploy deliberately opposing jewISH controlled sects of christianity as "refuges", as "safe havens" through which to "fight against" the primary infection while simultaneously ignoring and aiding the secondary infection. When both sides are controlled by the jewISH parasite, whom can win? The answer: neither. There have always been alternatives yet you cannot even consider them. You are the definition of insanity: the very carrier of a mind virus.
>>129194
I recognize you from other threads, however I also recognize several of your memes. You were taught them, correct? If that is the case, and, at this I am breaking long standing tradition among brothers-at-arms that took the first oath yet not the second, I am forced to ask nonetheless: do you know the Old Man? That is of course not his chosen name. It changed depending on the injuries inflicted onto him by the jewISH parasites each day.
>>129203
When one makes a claim that cannot be substantiated by history, and is instead an unequivocal lie counterfeited for nearly 1,900 years straight, one must question the propaganda or they will fall to it. Some cannot see the benefit of doubt, yet they will also cry "foul! foul! you are not one of us! you do not believe the way we do! you are the heretic here, not us!" Myths, stories, tales of legendry are ever stolen, re-glorified in new terms for new purposes. It is an amusement to see the way in which the foundations and the house are but bare facades, incapable of standing on their own. This is the way of the jew: always short-sighted, ever small minded:
http://jesusneverexisted.com/surfeit.htm
>>129030
No system is a good system if its leader is not thoroughly curated, literally raised and taught from birth to undeniably be of the people and for the people. Germany got lucky with Hitler, though this cannot always be guaranteed down the line. It's not so much the system as the people in it.
Except communism, communism is and will always be shit unless robots are doing everything, at which point why even bother?
No system is a good system if its leader is not thoroughly curated, literally raised and taught from birth to undeniably be of the people and for the people. Germany got lucky with Hitler, though this cannot always be guaranteed down the line. It's not so much the system as the people in it.
Except communism, communism is and will always be shit unless robots are doing everything, at which point why even bother?
>>129235
This is about how I'm starting to feel. The system the United States has was basically designed to prevent anyone from gaining too much power so that it couldn't be easily manipulated, but at this point it's almost completely corrupted anyway, and all the checks and balances do is make it impossible to get anything of any real value accomplished. Trump was a good first step but it's going to take more than just having one guy as president for 8 years to make anything really change. If another cuck Republican like Bush or a radical progressive like Obama gets in there we'll just be right back where we started.
I feel like the specific mechanism of the system that a country uses matters a lot less than having a government and a people working in tandem to accomplish the same overall goals. If it's just a stale tug of war between two slightly different factions of a corrupt oligarchy it's of no use to anyone. At this point I would rather have a good king than a crooked republic.
This is about how I'm starting to feel. The system the United States has was basically designed to prevent anyone from gaining too much power so that it couldn't be easily manipulated, but at this point it's almost completely corrupted anyway, and all the checks and balances do is make it impossible to get anything of any real value accomplished. Trump was a good first step but it's going to take more than just having one guy as president for 8 years to make anything really change. If another cuck Republican like Bush or a radical progressive like Obama gets in there we'll just be right back where we started.
I feel like the specific mechanism of the system that a country uses matters a lot less than having a government and a people working in tandem to accomplish the same overall goals. If it's just a stale tug of war between two slightly different factions of a corrupt oligarchy it's of no use to anyone. At this point I would rather have a good king than a crooked republic.
>>129257
>having a government and a people working in tandem to accomplish the same overall goals
But that's just the thing. The country is as divided as Spain in 1934. The basic unity that is required to accomplish pretty much anything on a national scale is pretty much gone. It's all liberals versus conservatives versus people further on the left and the right. And the sides are too evenly matched for one to easily dominate over the other
>having a government and a people working in tandem to accomplish the same overall goals
But that's just the thing. The country is as divided as Spain in 1934. The basic unity that is required to accomplish pretty much anything on a national scale is pretty much gone. It's all liberals versus conservatives versus people further on the left and the right. And the sides are too evenly matched for one to easily dominate over the other
>>129262
Yeah, that was basically my point and it's what tends to depress me most about the current political situation. The US is roughly split about 50/50 right now, with most elections being determined by "swing" voters who are basically low-information voters who don't really pay attention and make decisions based on who knows what the fuck. At this point I'm convinced that the only two things that can possibly happen are either the US splits apart and becomes two or more countries, or it continues as a stale tug of war between "left" and "right" with nobody ever gaining enough ground to completely control things. It's basically why I'm hoping Trump keeps pissing off the left. California feels like it's almost on the verge of open revolt and I seriously want to see them do it. Where we're at right now feels like having a pimple on your face that's just about to pop but doesn't.
Yeah, that was basically my point and it's what tends to depress me most about the current political situation. The US is roughly split about 50/50 right now, with most elections being determined by "swing" voters who are basically low-information voters who don't really pay attention and make decisions based on who knows what the fuck. At this point I'm convinced that the only two things that can possibly happen are either the US splits apart and becomes two or more countries, or it continues as a stale tug of war between "left" and "right" with nobody ever gaining enough ground to completely control things. It's basically why I'm hoping Trump keeps pissing off the left. California feels like it's almost on the verge of open revolt and I seriously want to see them do it. Where we're at right now feels like having a pimple on your face that's just about to pop but doesn't.
>>129274
>a pimple on your face that's just about to pop but doesn't
That's pretty much the perfect analogy. I don't think we're lucky enough to have an actual split in the country. What I think is more likely is stagnation, until there are enough immigrants and children of immigrants in the country to decidedly outvote the declining white population, and the Right is forced to entirely capitulate to a solid Leftist majority lead by (and benefiting) a few leftist elites and composed primarily of non-white voters.
>a pimple on your face that's just about to pop but doesn't
That's pretty much the perfect analogy. I don't think we're lucky enough to have an actual split in the country. What I think is more likely is stagnation, until there are enough immigrants and children of immigrants in the country to decidedly outvote the declining white population, and the Right is forced to entirely capitulate to a solid Leftist majority lead by (and benefiting) a few leftist elites and composed primarily of non-white voters.
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