After I made the Haitian Illegal Migration to Chile thread I was thinking there is hell a lot of work to be done for righties, but many are going the wrong direction. I talked with some friends and reached some conclusions.
https://status451.com/2017/11/11/radical-book-club-what-righties-can-do/
As David Hines says, the right has some repulsion to the subversive tactics the left uses, and we should learn on many things, mainly about organization, financement, propaganda and networks.
The right has been lazy in that sense because they only think that just having the truth and reasonable arguments on their side they have won the battle.
It isn't that way.
Until a couple of years the right has sat comfortably on their seats in their role of Status Quo (even with some thinkers like Francis Fukuyama coining the term 'The End of History' once the USSR fell) letting the left to use these subversive tactics, getting a grip on academia and media and running all this underground scenario we have nowadays.
A friend of mine always says: "Today's wars aren't fought with weapons, but with words". You ARE in a war. We ARE in a war.
What to do to gain political power? Are people on the other side willing to sit down and have a reasonable debate? No.
So what can you do in that case? You're right and they are convinced you are evil and you must be annihilated because the "New Men" Communism requires doesn't consider you. You're scum. You cannot dialogue with them. What do?
1. Attack, attack, attack
2. Research about your opponent the most you can
No matter what you say, you'll be racist, xenophobic, islamophobic, etc. in their eyes. Holding the line will accomplish nothing for you. Research about your opponent, every single detail of their life, and deploy it when needed. Remember, the timing is very important, so make sure you have the most exposure when doing so. Call them names if possible, as Trump does, to generate maximum amounts of salt. Make memes of them.
3. You're right and they are wrong. No mid points.
Complementing point 1, is this. You have to be adamant in your points of view. Weak ideas won't attract anybody, strong ideas do. If you find your opponent's point somewhat valid, you'll pass as a weak man and you won't attract anybody. Notice how some native British and Germans get recruited by ISIS.
4. Make a simple, but moving speech
Every way of thinking needs myths, something you aspire to be, an ideal of your perfect world and perfect individuals. May it be a world of cooperation and free of degeneracy, a world where everyone is free thanks to the free market, or a world where everyone praises Jesus and follows Christian values, you name it. Powerful stories, stories of how one can overcome our difficulties by ourselves and with our strength build a bright future for our children, instead those of self-defeat of the opponent.
That's all that I can remember.
I want to finish this including two texts about subversion: "Rules for Radicals" from Saul Alinsky and a "Communist Party of USA: A Manual on Organization" where they talk a lot about pamphleting, organization, propaganda, etc.
/mlpol/ - My Little Politics
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Para los que hablen español, también me hicieron llegar un manual parecido, pero del Partido Comunista Español. Incluyo también el Tratado Para Radicales de Alinsky.
>>126329
I feel like a lot of this we have already introduced through the use of memetic warfare on 4/pol/. True, /mlpol/ is a lot more /comfy/ and protectionist, and less likely to wage meme jihad on left-wing sites compared to the Fatherboard, but we haven't forgotten our roots. We're just afraid of overexposing ourselves and losing that which we have lost several times before.
We're stagnant compared to what we once were on 4/mlp/ and 4/pol/, but not in decline. We've become content with what we have in our own borders and rarely do we seek to interact with those that are "below us", save for the occasional fishing trip. But deep inside lies the sort of rage that can make us appear as if we were the very wrath of God. Our tactics and weapons haven't dulled, and indeed continue to be better than anyone else's. If we're going to pose a significant threat to the establishment like 4/pol/ is, or once was, then we'll need a purpose greater than ourselves, or /mlpol/, that we can all stand behind.
I feel like a lot of this we have already introduced through the use of memetic warfare on 4/pol/. True, /mlpol/ is a lot more /comfy/ and protectionist, and less likely to wage meme jihad on left-wing sites compared to the Fatherboard, but we haven't forgotten our roots. We're just afraid of overexposing ourselves and losing that which we have lost several times before.
We're stagnant compared to what we once were on 4/mlp/ and 4/pol/, but not in decline. We've become content with what we have in our own borders and rarely do we seek to interact with those that are "below us", save for the occasional fishing trip. But deep inside lies the sort of rage that can make us appear as if we were the very wrath of God. Our tactics and weapons haven't dulled, and indeed continue to be better than anyone else's. If we're going to pose a significant threat to the establishment like 4/pol/ is, or once was, then we'll need a purpose greater than ourselves, or /mlpol/, that we can all stand behind.
>>126329
I've come to a similar conclusion from different events but see it slightly different.
The world revolves around propaganda, some of it good some of it bad. Some of it exists to inform the citizens other parts are ideological. Ideological propaganda isn't bad per say, after all if a citizenry is split on an issue or cannot agree on something they are less likely to be able to co-exist.
The problem is the left has held a monopoly on this propaganda since the inception of mass media and so we've moved further and further into anarchy. Sure for those of us in burgerland alternatives have existed to try and rebut it, like fox news, but they are more of the exception then the rule which furthermore proves it.
But this is all starting to change, since the Internets inception the left held consensus over propaganda was shattered by those on ideological extremes, whether it be left or right both groups at first created an alternative world view and tried to express it on the early internet. As time passed more and more people, or anons in the case of /pol/ came to a similar conclusion until they formed a collective of our own that creates propaganda that is our own.
The left hates "fake new" because we are simply making ideological propaganda that is more appealing and much more interesting then that of CNN or any other left wing legacy media. A lot of bluepilled individuals see the internet as a wild west of information which is why they say its fake news, but the truth is that phase of the internet has been long over, the internet has mostly consolidated into larger groups now and these collectives gather information and create propaganda very effectively. /pol/ is the poster boy example of it, most of the redpill info-graphics we see out of /pol/ are the correct version of propaganda we view as the truth.
Which in the end is the left and legacy media's ultimate fear. They're ineffective and will never be as effective as /pol/ even when its being shilled 24/7 because anons like to interact freely with their source of propaganda, something the left is ideologically opposed to. Its why their influence has shattered, they'll never be able to hold onto the public narrative's monopoly like they once could. You could see this with the Zimmerman trial and all other nog shootings. Normies said he was a gud boi and dindu nuffin but a large group now can and does know that the nogs were at fault.
At least here in burgerland this will eventually cause civil war in my mind. The vested interests are too deeply entrenched and the ideological divide between eh blue pilled and those of us who are free to think and express it will eventually be too much.
I've come to a similar conclusion from different events but see it slightly different.
The world revolves around propaganda, some of it good some of it bad. Some of it exists to inform the citizens other parts are ideological. Ideological propaganda isn't bad per say, after all if a citizenry is split on an issue or cannot agree on something they are less likely to be able to co-exist.
The problem is the left has held a monopoly on this propaganda since the inception of mass media and so we've moved further and further into anarchy. Sure for those of us in burgerland alternatives have existed to try and rebut it, like fox news, but they are more of the exception then the rule which furthermore proves it.
But this is all starting to change, since the Internets inception the left held consensus over propaganda was shattered by those on ideological extremes, whether it be left or right both groups at first created an alternative world view and tried to express it on the early internet. As time passed more and more people, or anons in the case of /pol/ came to a similar conclusion until they formed a collective of our own that creates propaganda that is our own.
The left hates "fake new" because we are simply making ideological propaganda that is more appealing and much more interesting then that of CNN or any other left wing legacy media. A lot of bluepilled individuals see the internet as a wild west of information which is why they say its fake news, but the truth is that phase of the internet has been long over, the internet has mostly consolidated into larger groups now and these collectives gather information and create propaganda very effectively. /pol/ is the poster boy example of it, most of the redpill info-graphics we see out of /pol/ are the correct version of propaganda we view as the truth.
Which in the end is the left and legacy media's ultimate fear. They're ineffective and will never be as effective as /pol/ even when its being shilled 24/7 because anons like to interact freely with their source of propaganda, something the left is ideologically opposed to. Its why their influence has shattered, they'll never be able to hold onto the public narrative's monopoly like they once could. You could see this with the Zimmerman trial and all other nog shootings. Normies said he was a gud boi and dindu nuffin but a large group now can and does know that the nogs were at fault.
At least here in burgerland this will eventually cause civil war in my mind. The vested interests are too deeply entrenched and the ideological divide between eh blue pilled and those of us who are free to think and express it will eventually be too much.
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>>126481
>They're ineffective and will never be as effective as /pol/ even when its being shilled 24/7 because anons like to interact freely with their source of propaganda, something the left is ideologically opposed to.
>Interact freely with their source of propaganda
Is this why the Catholic Church died out, and Protestants rose? I think you may have stumbled on something very profound.
>They're ineffective and will never be as effective as /pol/ even when its being shilled 24/7 because anons like to interact freely with their source of propaganda, something the left is ideologically opposed to.
>Interact freely with their source of propaganda
Is this why the Catholic Church died out, and Protestants rose? I think you may have stumbled on something very profound.
>>126329
Subversive tactics delegitimises us, we've been over this before. All we have to do is stick to our guns and watch as more and more people swing our way, and they are, people are turning away from leftist dogma in droves as those in power become increasingly insane. Most people are not on their side, and in an ideological conflict like this, the objective is to win the hearts and minds of the undecided, and we do that by being the better men.
The objective isn't to convince our opponent, we know that can't be done, it's to convince whoever's watching.
Subversive tactics delegitimises us, we've been over this before. All we have to do is stick to our guns and watch as more and more people swing our way, and they are, people are turning away from leftist dogma in droves as those in power become increasingly insane. Most people are not on their side, and in an ideological conflict like this, the objective is to win the hearts and minds of the undecided, and we do that by being the better men.
The objective isn't to convince our opponent, we know that can't be done, it's to convince whoever's watching.
>>126518
This. Spread redpills and "Hate Facts". We're right, liberals are wrong, all we have to do is make normies and newbies realize it's ok to think that.
This. Spread redpills and "Hate Facts". We're right, liberals are wrong, all we have to do is make normies and newbies realize it's ok to think that.
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“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”
Friedrich Nietzsche
“An eye for an eye will make the world blind.”
Do not give in to the same tactics as those knuckle-dragging lefties. Be vicious in a fight but kind and caring with the civil world, they do not know about the harsh truth. Their eyes have yet to open.
Friedrich Nietzsche
“An eye for an eye will make the world blind.”
Do not give in to the same tactics as those knuckle-dragging lefties. Be vicious in a fight but kind and caring with the civil world, they do not know about the harsh truth. Their eyes have yet to open.
>>126635
Rules for Radicals has a bit of socialist bias, but makes an important point telling about how, at least in the USA, rebellion is a must when your government is tyrannical. Its point of view can be very well used for this whole "People against Deep State, Cultural Marxism and Globalism" movement. It has some "Art of War" style, it tends to state the obvious sometimes as /pol/ has done some marvelous work using Internet and weaponized autism but it's a good read nevertheless.
Rules for Radicals has a bit of socialist bias, but makes an important point telling about how, at least in the USA, rebellion is a must when your government is tyrannical. Its point of view can be very well used for this whole "People against Deep State, Cultural Marxism and Globalism" movement. It has some "Art of War" style, it tends to state the obvious sometimes as /pol/ has done some marvelous work using Internet and weaponized autism but it's a good read nevertheless.
>>130837
I actually agree there's a lot we can learn from the left as far as how to pull things back in our direction. The left didn't get to where they are through politics, they accomplished it by using culture to turn people to their politics who otherwise weren't that interested. The Beatles for instance weren't an inherently political band but they probably did more to turn the tide of the culture war to the left than anything the political radicals at the time were doing. The right needs to keep making music and art and memes, that's how you turn normies.
I actually agree there's a lot we can learn from the left as far as how to pull things back in our direction. The left didn't get to where they are through politics, they accomplished it by using culture to turn people to their politics who otherwise weren't that interested. The Beatles for instance weren't an inherently political band but they probably did more to turn the tide of the culture war to the left than anything the political radicals at the time were doing. The right needs to keep making music and art and memes, that's how you turn normies.
But thats the way we fight, with truth and redpills. If we start lying and using subversion to gain power, what makes us better than the left?
>>130993
Agreed. Look at how normies are giving up on Hollywood, Oscars, Football, mass media, when they try to talk down to them, from a moral high land. In some way they want the same than us but they are either too lazy or succumb too much to peer pressure to actually redpill. Labels like 'nazi' or 'racist' yet have too much power on them, and as such, many people that pay them their salaries, their social connections, their bosses, may fall for that and lead people to lose their status.
As such, adopting leftist positions is a comfortable way to balance between an "I want to make a change" ambition and whatever is socially acceptable. However, they will lose power quickly, businesses don't like snowflakes and the ones which hire them are losing value quickly. Just look at Silicon Valley.
>>131023
You yourself said so, our cause is truth and freedom and ultimately protect our civilization from a deliberate sabotage plan. Strategies and actions are needed when the enemy is hellbent on destroying us.
And we have used some deception a lot, mainly in order to discredit MSM, so they replicate our lies, make up others in the desperation of losing political control and are sinking in their own quicksand.
We need to deploy our redpills in an efficient way, so we need strategies. I agree with you, the more people knows the truth, the more people will speak out against the totalitarian globalists. They won't go without a battle though, and so we have this rampant censorship in Twitter, YouTube, Facebook; and shills in 4chan to dilute any serious conversation. They are using both power and subversion from a high and low level to shut us up. We need to know how to counterattack.
And I think we cannot afford to lose this battle. They already have the technology to turn 1984 into a reality. I don't want everything that made our civilization great to be put in the memory hole.
Agreed. Look at how normies are giving up on Hollywood, Oscars, Football, mass media, when they try to talk down to them, from a moral high land. In some way they want the same than us but they are either too lazy or succumb too much to peer pressure to actually redpill. Labels like 'nazi' or 'racist' yet have too much power on them, and as such, many people that pay them their salaries, their social connections, their bosses, may fall for that and lead people to lose their status.
As such, adopting leftist positions is a comfortable way to balance between an "I want to make a change" ambition and whatever is socially acceptable. However, they will lose power quickly, businesses don't like snowflakes and the ones which hire them are losing value quickly. Just look at Silicon Valley.
>>131023
You yourself said so, our cause is truth and freedom and ultimately protect our civilization from a deliberate sabotage plan. Strategies and actions are needed when the enemy is hellbent on destroying us.
And we have used some deception a lot, mainly in order to discredit MSM, so they replicate our lies, make up others in the desperation of losing political control and are sinking in their own quicksand.
We need to deploy our redpills in an efficient way, so we need strategies. I agree with you, the more people knows the truth, the more people will speak out against the totalitarian globalists. They won't go without a battle though, and so we have this rampant censorship in Twitter, YouTube, Facebook; and shills in 4chan to dilute any serious conversation. They are using both power and subversion from a high and low level to shut us up. We need to know how to counterattack.
And I think we cannot afford to lose this battle. They already have the technology to turn 1984 into a reality. I don't want everything that made our civilization great to be put in the memory hole.
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