Robots and AI are getting more advanced and eventually they are going to make a lot of people obsolete? Companies are going to continue researching automation and it is unlikely that the government will stop them because companies spend millions on lobbying. Basic income is being proposed as a solution, but I doubt that the people pushing basic income (such as Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, and Jeff Bezos) have our best interests at heart. So what should be done, /mlpol/?
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We use the people who are made obsolete for pharming and medical testing.
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>>117039
Agreed.
As for Whites, I recommend we begin investing into industries that the new robots and AI are going to create, and offer free training in these new groundbreaking fields to create a renewed demand for jobs.
Agreed.
As for Whites, I recommend we begin investing into industries that the new robots and AI are going to create, and offer free training in these new groundbreaking fields to create a renewed demand for jobs.
It's a popular meme, but to be honest I don't think the robots are coming for our jobs any time soon. The kinds of tasks that can be given to robots are usually the most mundane and repetitive, and usually the result of automating them and replacing human labor means that the human labor is freed up to perform more complex tasks, as in non-repetitive tasks that require some level of human judgement or decision making.
In a theoretical situation where robots are capable of doing literally any task that a human can do and every single job on earth can be automated, it still wouldn't be the sort of corporate-owned dystopia that people like to imagine it as. In any economy there's always going to be a correlation between goods produced and goods demanded. If technology advances to the point that all goods can be produced without human labor, then nobody has a job. If nobody has a job, nobody has any purchasing power. If nobody has any purchasing power, there's no demand for any goods, thus there's no reason to produce any. In that situation the owner of the factory is realistically just as poor as the factory workers his technology has unemployed. The cost of producing the goods may be zero but the profit is also zero.
In a theoretical situation where robots are capable of doing literally any task that a human can do and every single job on earth can be automated, it still wouldn't be the sort of corporate-owned dystopia that people like to imagine it as. In any economy there's always going to be a correlation between goods produced and goods demanded. If technology advances to the point that all goods can be produced without human labor, then nobody has a job. If nobody has a job, nobody has any purchasing power. If nobody has any purchasing power, there's no demand for any goods, thus there's no reason to produce any. In that situation the owner of the factory is realistically just as poor as the factory workers his technology has unemployed. The cost of producing the goods may be zero but the profit is also zero.
>>117047
>We cannot use the majority of the population as cattle and lab rats.
Why not? We already let people sell their blood and plasma which are sometimes used to manufacture pharmaceuticals. People can already sign up for testing pharmaceuticals in the U.S. If we could give people something to make them produce a specific antibody or protein then we could not only put money in their pockets, but we could drive down the cost of medicine as well.
>We cannot use the majority of the population as cattle and lab rats.
Why not? We already let people sell their blood and plasma which are sometimes used to manufacture pharmaceuticals. People can already sign up for testing pharmaceuticals in the U.S. If we could give people something to make them produce a specific antibody or protein then we could not only put money in their pockets, but we could drive down the cost of medicine as well.
>>117042
>the human labor is freed up to perform more complex tasks, as in non-repetitive tasks that require some level of human judgement or decision making.
That will be unfortunate for the ultra-low IQ workers who lack some level of human judgement or decision making ability.
>>117047
>People are not going to get on board with that.
Define "people."
>the human labor is freed up to perform more complex tasks, as in non-repetitive tasks that require some level of human judgement or decision making.
That will be unfortunate for the ultra-low IQ workers who lack some level of human judgement or decision making ability.
>>117047
>People are not going to get on board with that.
Define "people."
>>117056
Automation is going to put a lot of whites out of work too. Your people could be forced to produce and test medical products for kikes. Is that the future you want?
>>117054
This also has the potential to cause major health problems. Let's say Johnson and Johnson wanted to test a new gene editing technique and something went wrong and now you have a cancer epidemic. Or Purdue Phama was giving clients a pill to make them produce more of protein x and now they are addicted to the pill or the build of protein x causes heart problems. How would you prevent this? Pharmaceutical companies do not have a history of behaving responsible. See the opioid epidemic.
Automation is going to put a lot of whites out of work too. Your people could be forced to produce and test medical products for kikes. Is that the future you want?
>>117054
This also has the potential to cause major health problems. Let's say Johnson and Johnson wanted to test a new gene editing technique and something went wrong and now you have a cancer epidemic. Or Purdue Phama was giving clients a pill to make them produce more of protein x and now they are addicted to the pill or the build of protein x causes heart problems. How would you prevent this? Pharmaceutical companies do not have a history of behaving responsible. See the opioid epidemic.
>>117063
>Automation is going to put a lot of whites out of work too
So did the assembly line, and the steam engine, and countless other advancements back to the very earliest like the wheel. Advanced automation is the next step. It is a sign that you and your offspring should pursue careers that remain valuable in an automated world. If you are incapable of adapting, then you should die off. That's the natural way of things. Evolution at work.
Universal basic income is not a solution to automation. It is a scheme to keep evolutionary dead ends alive as cattle to be milked for votes.
>Automation is going to put a lot of whites out of work too
So did the assembly line, and the steam engine, and countless other advancements back to the very earliest like the wheel. Advanced automation is the next step. It is a sign that you and your offspring should pursue careers that remain valuable in an automated world. If you are incapable of adapting, then you should die off. That's the natural way of things. Evolution at work.
Universal basic income is not a solution to automation. It is a scheme to keep evolutionary dead ends alive as cattle to be milked for votes.
>>117068
> If you are incapable of adapting, then you should die off. That's the natural way of things. Evolution at work.
Eventually most people will be made obsolete. You are advocating that the majority of people die off or be made into cattle/lab rats. That is something straight out of a dystopian novel.
> If you are incapable of adapting, then you should die off. That's the natural way of things. Evolution at work.
Eventually most people will be made obsolete. You are advocating that the majority of people die off or be made into cattle/lab rats. That is something straight out of a dystopian novel.
>>117063
>Pharmaceutical companies do not have a history of behaving responsibly.
I'll give you that and there will be a lot of risks as well. This solution would require a lot of regulatory oversight for safety, but I don't see the elites just keeping people alive that give them nothing in return. Maybe we could gear the research toward transhumanism. At least people would be able to compete with the machines if we started improving them.
>Pharmaceutical companies do not have a history of behaving responsibly.
I'll give you that and there will be a lot of risks as well. This solution would require a lot of regulatory oversight for safety, but I don't see the elites just keeping people alive that give them nothing in return. Maybe we could gear the research toward transhumanism. At least people would be able to compete with the machines if we started improving them.
>>117069
It's only a dystopia for those who cannot adapt to change. For those of us who can leverage new technological advancements as a force multiplier, we'll only soar to greater heights.
It's only a dystopia for those who cannot adapt to change. For those of us who can leverage new technological advancements as a force multiplier, we'll only soar to greater heights.
>>117077
It would be a dystopia for the majority of mankind and think about how much power you are giving the pharmaceutical companies here.
>>117071
These companies get around regulatory oversight all the time. They will abuse their clients and the average person does not understand this technology. Informed consent would be almost impossible. Though I will admit I don't see the elites keeping the rest of the population around if they have no use for them.
It would be a dystopia for the majority of mankind and think about how much power you are giving the pharmaceutical companies here.
>>117071
These companies get around regulatory oversight all the time. They will abuse their clients and the average person does not understand this technology. Informed consent would be almost impossible. Though I will admit I don't see the elites keeping the rest of the population around if they have no use for them.
only double niggers and subculture bitches will get replaced by shit like this, unless you're a jiggaboo don't worry
>>117084
I'm simply stating what will happen. This is not the first time that careers have been replaced and it will not be the last.
When automation renders their menial grunt-work obsolete, there are only a few broad options available.
*Compete for the grunt work that is on too small of a scale to justify the overhead cost of automating.
*Adapt and find some new way to be valuable. Ideally by leveraging your intelligence, although as stated earlier some may choose to sell their bodies.
*Leech off of the charity of others
*Die
I'm simply stating what will happen. This is not the first time that careers have been replaced and it will not be the last.
When automation renders their menial grunt-work obsolete, there are only a few broad options available.
*Compete for the grunt work that is on too small of a scale to justify the overhead cost of automating.
*Adapt and find some new way to be valuable. Ideally by leveraging your intelligence, although as stated earlier some may choose to sell their bodies.
*Leech off of the charity of others
*Die
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If anyone would like to know the closest thing we have to an automation rate, then look to this: https://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/indicators-data/tech-pulse/
So, it's particularly speedy and it's not like the precedent level of the 90s. I haven't tried to see if there's a correlation with unemployment, so I'm not so sure of the impact statistically. It's more of a near distance fear, however there are IT workers that are getting outpaced in automation. The extent of which I am not sure.
So, it's particularly speedy and it's not like the precedent level of the 90s. I haven't tried to see if there's a correlation with unemployment, so I'm not so sure of the impact statistically. It's more of a near distance fear, however there are IT workers that are getting outpaced in automation. The extent of which I am not sure.
>>117096
noocs can't aim for shit, someone pull up the fbi stats for crime in NYC by race to show the disparity between shootings and murder i'm on my phone
noocs can't aim for shit, someone pull up the fbi stats for crime in NYC by race to show the disparity between shootings and murder i'm on my phone
Also, out of everywhere, it's only America that seems to have this fear this widespread. It's not a European phenomenon for sure, nor much where else.
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>>117068
The range of tasks that can be automated is rapidly outpacing people's ability to adapt. It doesn't help that most western education systems are completely broken.
The range of tasks that can be automated is rapidly outpacing people's ability to adapt. It doesn't help that most western education systems are completely broken.
>>117188
We're going to have to trim the surplus population, imo.
Keep whites breeding to a sustainable rate, but cull the rest.
We're going to have to trim the surplus population, imo.
Keep whites breeding to a sustainable rate, but cull the rest.
>>117191
>Cull
Or simply introduce policy to reduce the rate of automation until the birthrates fall naturally, as they literally are right now. Something needs to be done about the kikes trying to bring immigrants in as "replacement migration" before that can be done, though.
>Cull
Or simply introduce policy to reduce the rate of automation until the birthrates fall naturally, as they literally are right now. Something needs to be done about the kikes trying to bring immigrants in as "replacement migration" before that can be done, though.
>>117193
>Something needs to be done about the kikes trying to bring immigrants in as "replacement migration"
I can't agree more.
(((Replacement migration))) will be the death of the western world at this rate.
>Something needs to be done about the kikes trying to bring immigrants in as "replacement migration"
I can't agree more.
(((Replacement migration))) will be the death of the western world at this rate.
>>117194
Asides from that, there's also the long term problem of the active population dwindling to an unsustainable number. That's to say, the less of us there are, the more prone we become to extinction events, genetic stagnation, being outbred by the other races of humans, etc. Machine learning is advancing rapidly, much more rapidly than we can ever hope to, so it's safe to say that at some point in the not too distant future, machines will be able to perform all tasks a human can. That makes us entirely obsolete, no matter how useful we try to make ourselves.
Should we halt automation entirely? Fuck no. Is there a point where we need to keep automation down? Yes. The stupid breeders may be stupid, but they are required to make safe the gene pool in the event of unforeseen catastrophes. This all wouldn't be a problem if we got off this god forsaken rock and started colonising space, but we're not, so we need to maintain a certain population level so we don't risk the gene pool stagnating.
Asides from that, there's also the long term problem of the active population dwindling to an unsustainable number. That's to say, the less of us there are, the more prone we become to extinction events, genetic stagnation, being outbred by the other races of humans, etc. Machine learning is advancing rapidly, much more rapidly than we can ever hope to, so it's safe to say that at some point in the not too distant future, machines will be able to perform all tasks a human can. That makes us entirely obsolete, no matter how useful we try to make ourselves.
Should we halt automation entirely? Fuck no. Is there a point where we need to keep automation down? Yes. The stupid breeders may be stupid, but they are required to make safe the gene pool in the event of unforeseen catastrophes. This all wouldn't be a problem if we got off this god forsaken rock and started colonising space, but we're not, so we need to maintain a certain population level so we don't risk the gene pool stagnating.
I don't get this dystopic banter.
>Let's flood first world with near slave unskilled workforce! Their jobs will be totally not replaced in 10 years with automation and they will not fill the void with drugs, crime and cause an unfixable problem, but fuck it, I'll store my assets in a Swiss bank account! Not my problem!
>Let's flood first world with future voters for worker's party and unskilled workforce! They will totally not have so many children that will saturate government welfare in 20 years and plunge our country in an unrecoverable crisis, but fuck it, they will keep voting for my party as long as we give free shit, after all it's not my money! Not my problem!
Sorry, I forgot it's not a migrants thread but still, I put too much autism in this post to let that to waste.
>Let's flood first world with future voters for worker's party and unskilled workforce! They will totally not have so many children that will saturate government welfare in 20 years and plunge our country in an unrecoverable crisis, but fuck it, they will keep voting for my party as long as we give free shit, after all it's not my money! Not my problem!
Sorry, I forgot it's not a migrants thread but still, I put too much autism in this post to let that to waste.
>>117218
it may not be a migrant thread, but it pretty much sums up everything we need to know about the fear-mongering towards automation. All these immigrants come in looking for cheap easy jobs, and when something is developed that makes that job obsolete, everybody gets all up-in-arms about it and then it just feeds back into the welfare loop. I could be completely wrong, though, since I pretty much pulled this theory out of my ass. Do with it what you will.
it may not be a migrant thread, but it pretty much sums up everything we need to know about the fear-mongering towards automation. All these immigrants come in looking for cheap easy jobs, and when something is developed that makes that job obsolete, everybody gets all up-in-arms about it and then it just feeds back into the welfare loop. I could be completely wrong, though, since I pretty much pulled this theory out of my ass. Do with it what you will.
>>117218
Importing migrants actually lowers automation rates because investment is directed to them. Think of the slaves, there was no will to innovate whenever slave owners would use them, so they wouldn't bother with industrialisation. Although studies show that the slave owning American soft didn't actually get anymore of a return than they would highering paid workers.
Importing migrants actually lowers automation rates because investment is directed to them. Think of the slaves, there was no will to innovate whenever slave owners would use them, so they wouldn't bother with industrialisation. Although studies show that the slave owning American soft didn't actually get anymore of a return than they would highering paid workers.
>>117063
>Automation is going to put a lot of whites out of work too. Your people could be forced to produce and test medical products for kikes. Is that the future you want?
I feel like you're kind of missing the main point I was trying to make, which is that it is not currently technologically possible or likely to become possible in the near future to automate the vast majority of human tasks. The ones that can be automated are usually the tasks which require the absolute lowest amount of skill, the jobs literally anyone can do, like standing in one place for eight hours a day twisting the same screw or pulling the same lever over and over. As an example, at my current job my title is technically "web developer." However, because of the way the company's current website was built, I have to spend a great deal of my time at work doing manual data entry that could easily be automated and done by a program. The plan is to eventually get that built, however it's going slow atm because we have to focus so much time getting data entered just so the company can conduct basic business. If I was hired specifically to do data entry and had no other skills, then yes, as soon as the company finishes developing its software to the point that it is no longer necessary to have a human manually copy and paste table cells all day, I would be out of a job. However, since I can do other things, automating the data entry portion of the work will mean that I can spend my time on tasks that make better use of my skills, which in turn improves the company's technology and hopefully results in higher profits for the company and a raise for me. If not, I can at least leverage the experience to get a better job.
I understand that some people are just not that intelligent or talented and there's a limit to what they can do, but unless you're literally retarded there's always SOMETHING you can learn that requires more skill than just twisting screws or pulling levers. Skilled jobs are highly unlikely to become automated.
>Automation is going to put a lot of whites out of work too. Your people could be forced to produce and test medical products for kikes. Is that the future you want?
I feel like you're kind of missing the main point I was trying to make, which is that it is not currently technologically possible or likely to become possible in the near future to automate the vast majority of human tasks. The ones that can be automated are usually the tasks which require the absolute lowest amount of skill, the jobs literally anyone can do, like standing in one place for eight hours a day twisting the same screw or pulling the same lever over and over. As an example, at my current job my title is technically "web developer." However, because of the way the company's current website was built, I have to spend a great deal of my time at work doing manual data entry that could easily be automated and done by a program. The plan is to eventually get that built, however it's going slow atm because we have to focus so much time getting data entered just so the company can conduct basic business. If I was hired specifically to do data entry and had no other skills, then yes, as soon as the company finishes developing its software to the point that it is no longer necessary to have a human manually copy and paste table cells all day, I would be out of a job. However, since I can do other things, automating the data entry portion of the work will mean that I can spend my time on tasks that make better use of my skills, which in turn improves the company's technology and hopefully results in higher profits for the company and a raise for me. If not, I can at least leverage the experience to get a better job.
I understand that some people are just not that intelligent or talented and there's a limit to what they can do, but unless you're literally retarded there's always SOMETHING you can learn that requires more skill than just twisting screws or pulling levers. Skilled jobs are highly unlikely to become automated.
Let's make the robots take care of everything so we can all move to virtual reality.
Or maybe, we could just, you know, adapt and learn of jobs that roots cannot do *gasp*
Or maybe, we could just, you know, adapt and learn of jobs that roots cannot do *gasp*
>>117203
>Machine learning is advancing rapidly, much more rapidly than we can ever hope to
The issue with that, though, is that we don't really know the upper limit of machine intelligence, or when they'll reach it, and we likely will never know until we see a machine start to learn on its own, outside of the Internet databases and social media site we've had previous examples tie up to.
>Machine learning is advancing rapidly, much more rapidly than we can ever hope to
The issue with that, though, is that we don't really know the upper limit of machine intelligence, or when they'll reach it, and we likely will never know until we see a machine start to learn on its own, outside of the Internet databases and social media site we've had previous examples tie up to.
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