This is partially asking for advice, partially asking what everyone else's experiences are with job market and finding satisfaction in work.
I am debating whether I should continue working. It all seems like such a waste of time and money…
I hurried through college and ended up getting a masters degree at the age of 22. Never partied. I have worked in sales for several years now and see no way out. Every day is just mind numbing and I feel like my bank account doesn't reflect my talents…
I love to write. I like to write stories about hardship and romance. I like it more when people read what I have written.
What do? Is wageslaving no good, and shoukd I live a Bohemian lifestyle? Or should I swallow my pride and hope to see my kids once in a blue moon by being a corporate desk jockey?
Any input welcome.
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>>114843
Edit: I am single and childless male for the record. I want a family but also actually want time with them rather than wageslaving.
Edit: I am single and childless male for the record. I want a family but also actually want time with them rather than wageslaving.
>>114843
What kind of college and masters degree here? You say you are working in sales? Do you feel your job and job options reflect your education?
What kind of college and masters degree here? You say you are working in sales? Do you feel your job and job options reflect your education?
>>114843
I dunno, man. Sounds like you've worked more than me. I only did 9 months in retail and a tiny bit of substitute teaching. I never worked enough to make a living off it, but I never found it terribly satisfying either.
There's gotta be work out there that you can do to support youself without spending all your time on it. Everyone always talks about fishing and oil work. Go off for a couple few months and come back with enough money to stay drunk off your ass for the rest of the year and write greens or whatever.
I dunno, man. Sounds like you've worked more than me. I only did 9 months in retail and a tiny bit of substitute teaching. I never worked enough to make a living off it, but I never found it terribly satisfying either.
There's gotta be work out there that you can do to support youself without spending all your time on it. Everyone always talks about fishing and oil work. Go off for a couple few months and come back with enough money to stay drunk off your ass for the rest of the year and write greens or whatever.
>>114843
What kind of sales you do anon?
If you work for a long time, then maybe it's time to start your own business.
What kind of sales you do anon?
If you work for a long time, then maybe it's time to start your own business.
>>114843
Staying lazy is what leftists want. I’m not saying to be miserable, but you need to find something to do that is a balance of what you enjoy, and what puts food on the table. I would suggest finding at least some part time work to help pay some of your expenses while you seek ways to turn your hobbies into a more profitable exercise. This is hard to do, few ever make it truly profitable, but you need to at least try to do what you love to do.
But keep options open. Have backup plans. Try to see what all is available, not only locally, but in other cities and even states. You may need to move to find better opportunities in the field your looking to enter.
>bank account doesn’t reflect my talents
It never will. The smart thing to do is to start working with what you have though. You need to set up a separate bank account to store money you promise to never touch unless you are about to die and need medical assistance. You should start saving part of your income in there until you have an emergency fund to last a month of expenses of essentials, not any luxuries. You should also start investing. I suggest keeping your money in long term investments and don’t touch those funds either. If you invest wisely, your money will grow.
Hope this helps a little. You need to work with your talents, but be sure to be smart about what you are doing. If you plan, and keep cool when things inevitably go wrong, you should be fine. Furthermore, seek guidance from friends, professionals, or church leaders if you want a wider range of experience to draw on. Learn from these people, what they did right and wrong, and use it to help you.
Staying lazy is what leftists want. I’m not saying to be miserable, but you need to find something to do that is a balance of what you enjoy, and what puts food on the table. I would suggest finding at least some part time work to help pay some of your expenses while you seek ways to turn your hobbies into a more profitable exercise. This is hard to do, few ever make it truly profitable, but you need to at least try to do what you love to do.
But keep options open. Have backup plans. Try to see what all is available, not only locally, but in other cities and even states. You may need to move to find better opportunities in the field your looking to enter.
>bank account doesn’t reflect my talents
It never will. The smart thing to do is to start working with what you have though. You need to set up a separate bank account to store money you promise to never touch unless you are about to die and need medical assistance. You should start saving part of your income in there until you have an emergency fund to last a month of expenses of essentials, not any luxuries. You should also start investing. I suggest keeping your money in long term investments and don’t touch those funds either. If you invest wisely, your money will grow.
Hope this helps a little. You need to work with your talents, but be sure to be smart about what you are doing. If you plan, and keep cool when things inevitably go wrong, you should be fine. Furthermore, seek guidance from friends, professionals, or church leaders if you want a wider range of experience to draw on. Learn from these people, what they did right and wrong, and use it to help you.
>>114845
Pretty good state school and a masters in kind of a "softer" STEM discipline. Not engineering.
>>114890
It is high tech sales. I can't disclose specifics.
>>114892
Thanks for the suggestions. I do save and invest. My problem is economies of scale and wanting to be the primary breadwinner of the household someday. I guess I want it all, you know? I appreciate your point on church leaders; I have listened to Christian radio on my long commutes and have just been gravitating toward it lately.
>>114846
I hear about this fishing and oil meme a lot. I looked into it and am unsure as to whether I could be accepted for it. I don't know stuff like petro engineering to get a food in the door of energy, and stuff like crab fishing seems like a family-operated gig where you should know someone? I would like to work manually for a while in my youth, but I haven't aggressively tried it yet due to a perceived lack of advantage to start.
Pretty good state school and a masters in kind of a "softer" STEM discipline. Not engineering.
>>114890
It is high tech sales. I can't disclose specifics.
>>114892
Thanks for the suggestions. I do save and invest. My problem is economies of scale and wanting to be the primary breadwinner of the household someday. I guess I want it all, you know? I appreciate your point on church leaders; I have listened to Christian radio on my long commutes and have just been gravitating toward it lately.
>>114846
I hear about this fishing and oil meme a lot. I looked into it and am unsure as to whether I could be accepted for it. I don't know stuff like petro engineering to get a food in the door of energy, and stuff like crab fishing seems like a family-operated gig where you should know someone? I would like to work manually for a while in my youth, but I haven't aggressively tried it yet due to a perceived lack of advantage to start.
>>114845
Also, to answer your last question, I do not think my work experience reflects my education at all. I work in this sales role only because it was convenient at first and I was unable to secure a good-paying job (given my Master's) when I first entered the job market. This has sort of pidgeonholed me and I have even debated getting more education - a proposition whose potentially tepid dividends I am cautious of. Law? PhD? Is it all just escapism? I feel a deep sense of wanderlust - yet foreign labor markets humorously seem closed off to everything except English teachers.
Also, to answer your last question, I do not think my work experience reflects my education at all. I work in this sales role only because it was convenient at first and I was unable to secure a good-paying job (given my Master's) when I first entered the job market. This has sort of pidgeonholed me and I have even debated getting more education - a proposition whose potentially tepid dividends I am cautious of. Law? PhD? Is it all just escapism? I feel a deep sense of wanderlust - yet foreign labor markets humorously seem closed off to everything except English teachers.
>>114843
It's unfortunate that you have found yourself in a position that you didn't accept. That is the single largest problem with imperial capitalism, also known as: crony capitalism, corporate capitalism, but most importantly british capitalism, the cucked faggot bastards. What's more disgraceful than workers forced into essential-necessities wage slavery for little lasting and true benefit of their own? Not much. You know your own skills and limits, anon. If your expectations are too low, raise them; if your expectations are too high, raise them again, so in short: never discount what you may learn to enjoy.
It's unfortunate that you have found yourself in a position that you didn't accept. That is the single largest problem with imperial capitalism, also known as: crony capitalism, corporate capitalism, but most importantly british capitalism, the cucked faggot bastards. What's more disgraceful than workers forced into essential-necessities wage slavery for little lasting and true benefit of their own? Not much. You know your own skills and limits, anon. If your expectations are too low, raise them; if your expectations are too high, raise them again, so in short: never discount what you may learn to enjoy.
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>all theses responses and no mention of the military
The answers in this thread are good but I’ll give my best advice I can give. The problem (for me and maybe you) is the fact that I live in a shitty town where you either work in food business for scrap payment or waste time and money for college to get a better paying job.
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I’m thinking of joining the army and if I actually ace the asvab I’ll join the mechanics and armored divisions, and why shouldn’t I or you join? I would get benefits, I’m paid to blow shit up, I can actually get and education that actually is worth time, and it’s only four years or more. There’s the Marines, Army, Air Force and Navy so there’s a little of something for everyone. Hell if I was desperate and didn’t want to get shot I’d join the merchant marines.
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What I’m getting at is, work can be worth it, you gotta find something in this world that fits as best as you can make it. I’m working to save money so I can move to (possibly) Norway to own a plot of land and become efficient at living off the land. It’s about what your goals are, about asking what that younger you thought he would be doing at 20, 30, or 40 and if you’re happy with the path you’ve taken.
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>tl;dr
Wage slaving is hell and I’d recommend the military but you yourself have to decide what benefits outweighed the costs
The answers in this thread are good but I’ll give my best advice I can give. The problem (for me and maybe you) is the fact that I live in a shitty town where you either work in food business for scrap payment or waste time and money for college to get a better paying job.
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I’m thinking of joining the army and if I actually ace the asvab I’ll join the mechanics and armored divisions, and why shouldn’t I or you join? I would get benefits, I’m paid to blow shit up, I can actually get and education that actually is worth time, and it’s only four years or more. There’s the Marines, Army, Air Force and Navy so there’s a little of something for everyone. Hell if I was desperate and didn’t want to get shot I’d join the merchant marines.
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What I’m getting at is, work can be worth it, you gotta find something in this world that fits as best as you can make it. I’m working to save money so I can move to (possibly) Norway to own a plot of land and become efficient at living off the land. It’s about what your goals are, about asking what that younger you thought he would be doing at 20, 30, or 40 and if you’re happy with the path you’ve taken.
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>tl;dr
Wage slaving is hell and I’d recommend the military but you yourself have to decide what benefits outweighed the costs
>>114844
>>114843
I did hear of writers taking up a trade for work while doing their writing projects on the side. Being a writer isn't a guarantee for success of course, but if you can find a good balance between work and your passion, you might feel more happier, even if it is a job in another place where you get paid less, but better hours for yourself.
>>114843
I did hear of writers taking up a trade for work while doing their writing projects on the side. Being a writer isn't a guarantee for success of course, but if you can find a good balance between work and your passion, you might feel more happier, even if it is a job in another place where you get paid less, but better hours for yourself.
Go into a trade, you aren't in a desk, you make a decent wage, you gain extremely useful skills, and there's usually a pretty high demand for your skills.
>>115343
You need money to pay the property taxes though. Also, living off the grid means sacrifices, for instance not having lazy boy recliners.
You need money to pay the property taxes though. Also, living off the grid means sacrifices, for instance not having lazy boy recliners.
>>115345
>You need money to pay the property taxes though.
Then save up enough to pay property taxes or work part time
>Also, living off the grid means sacrifices, for instance not having lazy boy recliners.
Just get a cheaper recliner.
>You need money to pay the property taxes though.
Then save up enough to pay property taxes or work part time
>Also, living off the grid means sacrifices, for instance not having lazy boy recliners.
Just get a cheaper recliner.
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>>115244
Joining the military is advisable if only because when stuff hits the fan you'll want the physical fitness and practical knowledge that comes with training. If you don't want to go through (a preferably private, though expensive) bootcamp you need to take time off each day building strenth and endurance.
>living in Norway
Enjoy not being able to remove a fallen tree from your property because of regulations.
Joining the military is advisable if only because when stuff hits the fan you'll want the physical fitness and practical knowledge that comes with training. If you don't want to go through (a preferably private, though expensive) bootcamp you need to take time off each day building strenth and endurance.
>living in Norway
Enjoy not being able to remove a fallen tree from your property because of regulations.
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>>114843
Here's the thing, OP. If you're seriously considering writing as a career I won't discourage you, but if you're thinking about it as if it's going to be some kind of easy path that will allow you to bypass having to get a job and deal with day to day life, I'd like to dissuade you of that notion. It's not enough to just like to write or even to be good at it, you have to be willing to devote huge amounts of time not just to honing your craft but to selling yourself and trying to get published. This is especially true if you plan to write fiction; original fiction is a hugely oversaturated market and even people who successfully break into it don't make as much money as you probably think they do. If you're driven to write to the point where there's nothing else you can even think about doing with your time, and your mentality is basically either you will become a famous writer or you will an hero, then I'd say go for it. However, I'm guessing if you were that type of person you wouldn't be asking the advice of a bunch of random faggots on a Taiwanese mare-molesting knockoff of a Japanese underwater knitting forum. If you want to write, keep writing, but treat it as a leisure activity until someone starts paying you for it. Don't think of yourself as a writer with a part-time job, think of yourself as a full-time worker who likes to write on his free time, because until you prove yourself to be otherwise that's what you are.
Another thing to consider is that literally nothing about your situation is unique. The vast majority of people don't feel satisfied in their job and believe that they are underpaid relative to the skills they bring. That's just life. The eternal struggle between labor and management is as old as civilization and it's not going away anytime soon. You're ultimately free to do whatever you like, but I would get the notion of living a "bohemian" life out of your head immediately. There's nothing romantic about it, you'll just waste your youth being broke and miserable and probably end up working some shitty job eventually anyway, without the advantage of experience and a professional network that you would have built over time by pursuing a real career.
None of this is to say that you should settle or that your current job is the only job you can do; far from it. There's plenty of job options out there beyond whatever you're doing currently and you should try to explore them and find something practically achievable that you think you might like, or at least find tolerable. If you're 22 years old with a master's degree I'd say try to do something with that. If you don't like the field you chose or your master's is in some bullshit like gender studies or something then start looking around at other things you can do. Trades and things like that are an option and pay well, as others in the thread have suggested. The military is also a possibility but don't sign up if you aren't prepared to fight. You may also want to consider a change of scenery, cost of living varies from city to city and you may find something better if you try your luck someplace else.
tl;dr, don't fall for the 'bohemian creative dropout' meme. That's the kind of crap that guys like Barack Obama and Bernie Sanders use to entice gullible young idiots into doing their bidding.
Here's the thing, OP. If you're seriously considering writing as a career I won't discourage you, but if you're thinking about it as if it's going to be some kind of easy path that will allow you to bypass having to get a job and deal with day to day life, I'd like to dissuade you of that notion. It's not enough to just like to write or even to be good at it, you have to be willing to devote huge amounts of time not just to honing your craft but to selling yourself and trying to get published. This is especially true if you plan to write fiction; original fiction is a hugely oversaturated market and even people who successfully break into it don't make as much money as you probably think they do. If you're driven to write to the point where there's nothing else you can even think about doing with your time, and your mentality is basically either you will become a famous writer or you will an hero, then I'd say go for it. However, I'm guessing if you were that type of person you wouldn't be asking the advice of a bunch of random faggots on a Taiwanese mare-molesting knockoff of a Japanese underwater knitting forum. If you want to write, keep writing, but treat it as a leisure activity until someone starts paying you for it. Don't think of yourself as a writer with a part-time job, think of yourself as a full-time worker who likes to write on his free time, because until you prove yourself to be otherwise that's what you are.
Another thing to consider is that literally nothing about your situation is unique. The vast majority of people don't feel satisfied in their job and believe that they are underpaid relative to the skills they bring. That's just life. The eternal struggle between labor and management is as old as civilization and it's not going away anytime soon. You're ultimately free to do whatever you like, but I would get the notion of living a "bohemian" life out of your head immediately. There's nothing romantic about it, you'll just waste your youth being broke and miserable and probably end up working some shitty job eventually anyway, without the advantage of experience and a professional network that you would have built over time by pursuing a real career.
None of this is to say that you should settle or that your current job is the only job you can do; far from it. There's plenty of job options out there beyond whatever you're doing currently and you should try to explore them and find something practically achievable that you think you might like, or at least find tolerable. If you're 22 years old with a master's degree I'd say try to do something with that. If you don't like the field you chose or your master's is in some bullshit like gender studies or something then start looking around at other things you can do. Trades and things like that are an option and pay well, as others in the thread have suggested. The military is also a possibility but don't sign up if you aren't prepared to fight. You may also want to consider a change of scenery, cost of living varies from city to city and you may find something better if you try your luck someplace else.
tl;dr, don't fall for the 'bohemian creative dropout' meme. That's the kind of crap that guys like Barack Obama and Bernie Sanders use to entice gullible young idiots into doing their bidding.
>>115167
>Never discount what you may learn to enjoy
That's fantastic advice for anyone.
>>115244
I don't want to fight / have actual health issues relating to military that would bar me.
>>115340
>>115342
>>115350
A trade requires even more education. Would rather pursue PhD. Part time would be nice if I could think of what Part time job pays $20/hr. I live in the big city, but 20 is like a minimum.
>>115360
Wow - great input. Thanks for the context. I'm 25 btw, but that makes no difference. Because you're drawing upon common knowledge, I appreciate your advice that much more.
Thanks again, everyone. I am going to continue part time with my passions and think about moving to a new place in the country.
>Never discount what you may learn to enjoy
That's fantastic advice for anyone.
>>115244
I don't want to fight / have actual health issues relating to military that would bar me.
>>115340
>>115342
>>115350
A trade requires even more education. Would rather pursue PhD. Part time would be nice if I could think of what Part time job pays $20/hr. I live in the big city, but 20 is like a minimum.
>>115360
Wow - great input. Thanks for the context. I'm 25 btw, but that makes no difference. Because you're drawing upon common knowledge, I appreciate your advice that much more.
Thanks again, everyone. I am going to continue part time with my passions and think about moving to a new place in the country.
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