What happens here and why is it Russia clay?
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>>114791
my guess is map rewriting after WWII and because I'm not sure
Not gonna lie, I've wondered about that too.
my guess is map rewriting after WWII and because I'm not sure
Not gonna lie, I've wondered about that too.
>>114793
I'm reading it now fren. Why do you think this province is not more important in the grand scheme of things?
I'm reading it now fren. Why do you think this province is not more important in the grand scheme of things?
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>>114795
Because nothing happens there, and nothing will ever happen there until WWIII breaks out.
In that scenario, Kaliningrad will be center stage for media attention simply because the nukes there will have only five fates.
>1: They are destroyed rather than letting Poland (or worse, Germany) get their hands on Russian nukes.
>2: They are shipped out of Kaliningrad after a treaty involving those nukes allow their safe passage out of the Oblast before it is overrun (lest they be used to prevent their capture), which leads to
>>2A: The ships carrying the nukes are attacked by NATO vessels (or NATO-aligned 'third parties') and the nukes are seized and end up in NATO hands (CAN LEAD TO NUCLEAR WAR)
>>2B: The ships carrying the nukes are attacked by NATO vessels (or NATO-aligned 'third parties'), but the nukes are destroyed in the battle (CAN LEAD TO NUCLEAR WAR)
>>2C: The nukes safely arrive in St. Petersburg.
>3: The nukes are captured (either by Poland or Germany (who then become nuclear powers) or in a very strange twist, Lithuania, which then becomes a nuclear power)
>4: The nukes are not used because the enclave is too fortified for NATO to breach.
>5: The nukes are launched to prevent their capture (NUCLEAR WAR)
Because nothing happens there, and nothing will ever happen there until WWIII breaks out.
In that scenario, Kaliningrad will be center stage for media attention simply because the nukes there will have only five fates.
>1: They are destroyed rather than letting Poland (or worse, Germany) get their hands on Russian nukes.
>2: They are shipped out of Kaliningrad after a treaty involving those nukes allow their safe passage out of the Oblast before it is overrun (lest they be used to prevent their capture), which leads to
>>2A: The ships carrying the nukes are attacked by NATO vessels (or NATO-aligned 'third parties') and the nukes are seized and end up in NATO hands (CAN LEAD TO NUCLEAR WAR)
>>2B: The ships carrying the nukes are attacked by NATO vessels (or NATO-aligned 'third parties'), but the nukes are destroyed in the battle (CAN LEAD TO NUCLEAR WAR)
>>2C: The nukes safely arrive in St. Petersburg.
>3: The nukes are captured (either by Poland or Germany (who then become nuclear powers) or in a very strange twist, Lithuania, which then becomes a nuclear power)
>4: The nukes are not used because the enclave is too fortified for NATO to breach.
>5: The nukes are launched to prevent their capture (NUCLEAR WAR)
>>114791
Sadly, this is an example of classic pre-Federation Russian expansionism. They'll never willingly give it up, but by all accounts it rightfully belongs to Germany. Much like the Baltic coast of Poland which makes up the rest of Prussia.
Sadly, this is an example of classic pre-Federation Russian expansionism. They'll never willingly give it up, but by all accounts it rightfully belongs to Germany. Much like the Baltic coast of Poland which makes up the rest of Prussia.
All these burgers calling Königsberg Kaliningrad…
>>114791
It's under Russia's control because the soviets annexed it and as part of a program to never have ethnic clashes again, moved all the Germans there west. 13 million Germans were expelled. Two million civilians died on the journey, yet it's never talked about. Fucking communists.
>>114839
Then explain why Putin's willing to give it up, under the right circumstance. For the life of me I can't find the article right now, but all that's needed is for Germany to grow a pair with a proper nationalist government and we could open talks with Russia about it, as happened previously in 2001 when Russia had a shitton of debt to Berlin. The 2001 German Gov't was also pussies, so they just ended settling elsewhere. Fucking nu-german cucks.
>>114839
Just because you've expelled a population and now it's full of your people doesn't make that city yours. It's entire history, it's entire culture, is German.
>>114841
Fucking gopniks drinking vodka next to German architecture. Disgraceful.
>>114916
Ran away, starved to death, secretly expelled, and then finally forcibly deported when there were too little left to throw a fuss.
>>114791
It's under Russia's control because the soviets annexed it and as part of a program to never have ethnic clashes again, moved all the Germans there west. 13 million Germans were expelled. Two million civilians died on the journey, yet it's never talked about. Fucking communists.
>>114839
Then explain why Putin's willing to give it up, under the right circumstance. For the life of me I can't find the article right now, but all that's needed is for Germany to grow a pair with a proper nationalist government and we could open talks with Russia about it, as happened previously in 2001 when Russia had a shitton of debt to Berlin. The 2001 German Gov't was also pussies, so they just ended settling elsewhere. Fucking nu-german cucks.
>>114839
Just because you've expelled a population and now it's full of your people doesn't make that city yours. It's entire history, it's entire culture, is German.
>>114841
Fucking gopniks drinking vodka next to German architecture. Disgraceful.
>>114916
Ran away, starved to death, secretly expelled, and then finally forcibly deported when there were too little left to throw a fuss.
>>114937
I turned my VPN on after posting, thought it had enough time but probably two requests were sent. Kind of annoying, oh well.
I turned my VPN on after posting, thought it had enough time but probably two requests were sent. Kind of annoying, oh well.
>>114930
>because the soviets annexed it
Because nazi tried to conquer their country and killed a fucking lot of their people, what a surprise.
>because the soviets annexed it
Because nazi tried to conquer their country and killed a fucking lot of their people, what a surprise.
>>114979
And here we see a moron who knows nothing about why Germany went to war with the USSR. Are you aware that Stalin had planned literally the exact same thing for germany, and germany just struck first because they knew it was coming?
>killed a fucking lot of their people
Not like they weren't already doing that themselves. Because communists are oh so moral.
And here we see a moron who knows nothing about why Germany went to war with the USSR. Are you aware that Stalin had planned literally the exact same thing for germany, and germany just struck first because they knew it was coming?
>killed a fucking lot of their people
Not like they weren't already doing that themselves. Because communists are oh so moral.
I dunno but I wanna know if its any comfy or not. I doubt that place is high on Russia's lists of concerns.
>>115001
>Stalin had planned literally the exact same thing for germany
>fanfiction tier theories without any proof whatsoever
Just how retarded are you?
>Stalin had planned literally the exact same thing for germany
>fanfiction tier theories without any proof whatsoever
Just how retarded are you?
>>115175
>Just how retarded are you?
I can prove you, firsthand, that commies were like times better at killing their own people between 1917 and 41.
And yeah, it's a common knowledge now, that stalin was up to some conquest. Just look at the Finland, baltic countries and Poland.
>Just how retarded are you?
I can prove you, firsthand, that commies were like times better at killing their own people between 1917 and 41.
And yeah, it's a common knowledge now, that stalin was up to some conquest. Just look at the Finland, baltic countries and Poland.
>>115263
Not sure if serious, but I'll explain myself nevertheless, by saying that by "own people" I meant all nations commies enslaved
Not sure if serious, but I'll explain myself nevertheless, by saying that by "own people" I meant all nations commies enslaved
>>115175
Dude there's literally a (((wikipedia))) article on it. Historians debate this to this day.
This is common knowledge, even in the politically correct narrative. How retarded can you be that you didn't even take the time to google it, and instead resorted to setting up a strawman?
Dude there's literally a (((wikipedia))) article on it. Historians debate this to this day.
This is common knowledge, even in the politically correct narrative. How retarded can you be that you didn't even take the time to google it, and instead resorted to setting up a strawman?
>>115419
>it's one of the most famous ones
Georgians and many Caucasian republics, were suffering from commies artificial hunger just as bad, especially considering actual percentile of population living in the urban areas in those countries, because that genocide was directed only at rural citizens, big cities never experienced food shortage during that period, even in Ukraine, but rather had way too many amassed on stockpiles and just layed there rotting, while commies reported how good they were at fulfilling 5 year plan up the command chain back to the Moscow.
>it's one of the most famous ones
Georgians and many Caucasian republics, were suffering from commies artificial hunger just as bad, especially considering actual percentile of population living in the urban areas in those countries, because that genocide was directed only at rural citizens, big cities never experienced food shortage during that period, even in Ukraine, but rather had way too many amassed on stockpiles and just layed there rotting, while commies reported how good they were at fulfilling 5 year plan up the command chain back to the Moscow.
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