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>>113680the sticking point is papadopoulos, but as If I remember correctly he was already under investigation before the campaign even started and it wasn't for russia but ukraine or something? I'll look into it, but otherwise all the spying and the whole investigation is based on the Steele stuff that the FBI and DOJ know was unverified at the time and they also knew that hillary paid for it
Reading at the moment, and so far the 2nd point looks like it is the most grievous. They deliberately lied and said Steel had nothing to do with the Yahoo news story they cited as collaboration evidence for the Steel dossier. Sure omitting relevant information is really bad, but outright lying is probably worse, and there is no way to talk yourself out of that.
i wonder what's happening in the other side of the atlantic today.
haw!
Looks like much of the news will be like with the Hillary and Podesta emails. Many stories about how it was wrong to release it, but nothing about the content of the document.
Found some new flavor of salt on 4/pol/ you guys might like, kinda tastes like fear of insanity. I really can't tell.
>>113686I say 1b is more damning because the FBI knew that the "U.S. person" steele was working for at the time was Hillary Clinton and the DNC despite the fact they had to have known that given they authorized payment to steele for the information in question
>>113686>there is no way to talk yourself out of thatI can't wait to watch them try to do it anyway.
>>113696We need aryanne licking salt.
>>113694True it is just as bad, but they didn't lie, they just chose not to tell who the "U.S. person" was even if that information would have been extremely important to the judgement of the FISA court. But outright lying to make your point is perjury, if the judge asked who the "U.S. person" was and they said they didn't know or lied it is a whole new ballpark.
>>113695They are just going to reeeeee and say they can't say why it is wrong due to national security. At least that is what I think they will do.
This will be interesting.
>>113699>>113696Ponies with salt-licks is an underrated meme.
and to think Clinton blamed trump for meddling.
>>113692>>113693So much no foreign country will ever trust us again. It is like they don't know what secret information looks like. Also not to mention that this don't reveal any information, that Steele didn't leak himself to the press. It just reveal how the FBI misused that information.
>>113709If anything I would say it might put some doubt in everyone's mind of their (((intelligence agencies)))
>>113711I hope the CIA takes a hit next.
>>113713I know it would cause some shit but I want alphabets purged. Anyway even if it does it matters not for the ride never ends…
Reading the memo, it doesn't seem like this is the silver bullet that will bring down the establishment. It shows conspiracy against Trump, and how FISA courts can be abused, but that's about it. This does not feel like the game changer we have hoped for.
>>113716Yeah like all tHings that get hyped, it left me unsatisfied.
here's an e-mail I sent to someone on the fence if anyone wants a copypasta to use for convincing people:
https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/memo_and_white_house_letter.pdfthis isn't a distraction it shows that surveillance of the trump campaign and the investigation are in fact politically motivated, all three FISA renewal applications against Carter Page were based on the unverified information in the Steele dossier. Which, as noted in point 1b of the memo, the FBI and DOJ already knew Hillary Clinton and the DNC paid for because they authorized payment for the same information prior to the first FISA application. As point 2 notes they also deliberately lied and said Steel had nothing to do with the Yahoo news story they cited as collaboration evidence for the original application that used the Steele dossier.
as noted in point 5 of the memo the investigation was then opened based on the FISA surveilance and on the Papadopolous information but there's no evidence that Page and Papadopolus were coordinating their efforts, and Papadoplus was under investigation from before the 2016 campaign even started. Also the investigation was triggered by FBI agent Peter Strzok who has recently been reassigned and is being actively investigated due to the clear anti-trump bias in his text messages with his mistress who also works for the FBI. The Text messages also suggest he worked on the investigation into clinton's emails with Comey but worked to protect her, and that he deliberately leaked information to the press to influence politics.
let's apply Occam's razor; has a new cold war started because trump allegedly hired russian hookers to pee on each other, or have you simply been mislead? It seems to me that the idea that people involved with US politics and intelligence being partizen and dishonest is less of an assumption than the idea posited by the dossier that Russia spent 5 years and several billion euros convincing a reality TV star to run for president even though the Dossier also alleges that russia already had blackmail on hillary clinton from the start.
>>113716you miss the point this works as definitive proof of a lot of the things we suspected like that the unverified and ridiculous Steele dossier that hillary paid for was the main source for the whole russia narrative
>>113718I think you're overlooking that fact this is a lot of information we were already aware of but it's now being officially confirmed
>>113722There was other hype out there about obongo.
>>113723all these people worked directly for him at the time, the DOJ and FBI acting under political motivation is really damning considering he was openly running rallies for clinton
>>113716It's old news to us, but it's all stuff that previously normies and the media would dismiss as tinfoil hat conspiracy. Now they can't dismiss it as a LARP.
>>113729Really? I thought this was all already confirmed.
that actually explains why some of my meatspace conversations have gone the way they did Can we PLEASE start trying and executing leftists for treason?
>>113692Any one who unironicly uses reddit needs gas.
>>113784Fun little butthurt edit war is what i see there.
>>113781This reminds me of Eliza Cassan from deus ex, the AI that was designed to shape public discourse and control the flow of information. I wonder how far away we are to something like that.
>>113788At this stage I am willing to entertain that no human lives with reality, all live in fantasy. It only takes one liar in a chain of information flow for fantasy to exist.
>>113792When they can find something else dirty on Trump. This continual Russian thing, implies to me, they can't find dirt on Trump to pivot to. How amazing is that?
>>113769Just pulled them from 4/pol/ you faggot.
>>113769You'll be gassing me then. We all know reddit can't meme and copies the chans. What reddit can do, that the chans can't (with the possible exception of /qresearch/) is organise and collate information from the chans.
It makes no sense when fighting government evil to also attack a website that is a resource of a different type.
Time for the childishness to stop. The internet is srs bzns now.
>>113801>The internet is srs bzns now.Of all the crimes of the left. This is the greatest atrocity they have committed.
>>113815You need shock therapy to get you off the l*ddit, if that doesn't work then we can go full zyklon b.
Reddit is a better source of political information than /mlpol/. Prove me wrong.
This is red scare + Watergate added together:
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>“After reviewing how Mr. Steele conducted himself in distributing information contained in the dossier and how many stop signs the DOJ ignored in its use of the dossier, I believe that a special counsel needs to review this matter. The rule of Law depends on the government and all who work on its behalf playing by the rules themselves. I hope the Department of Justice will carefully review our letter and take appropriate action,” [Senator] Graham said.…
https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/news-releases/senators-grassley-graham-refer-christopher-steele-criminal-investigation>>113819REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
This just in from Reddit: Pic related.
Looking around I have come across this page showing the different types of surveillance:
https://na-production.s3.amazonaws.com/documents/SurveillanceAuthoritiesComparisonChart.pdfThis shows that the other FISA option is Title I. As Reddit states:
>THIS WAS A "Title 1" REQUEST which allows not only surveillance of US citizen Carter Page (accused of being a foreign agent by the Clinton financed the Steele Trump hating dossier), but also follow up surveillance of any of his direct contacts—the entire Trump team, irrespective of when Page stopped being a campaign adviser.
>Logic of FISA title one is simple—catch the entire spy network. Result is horrific. Any Page call or email to the Trump team exposed the entire Trump team to surveillance under title 1 of FISA. Really dirty. Trump’s wiretap tweet was correct. Admiral Rodgers only knew the lesser part of it.https://www.reddit.com/r/CBTS_Stream/comments/7uvygk/theres_something_about_this_memo_that_needs_to_be/I am still working on finding out if this is true. What is /mlpol/'s informed position on this? Because /mlpol/ > Reddit.
>>113819>political informationUmmm no sweetie, on /mlpol/ you can have meaningful discussion from time to time on ideology or something else but its more of the [s4s] version of /pol/ and /mlp/ combined.
A lot anons here go to somewhere else to talk politics because they can argue more but a l*ddit hugebox is unacceptable.
>>113832>[s4s] version of /pol/ and /mlp/ combined>A lot anons here go to somewhere else to talk politicsI see my mistake. Thanks anon. How silly of me.
>>113835Nah, my nature is centrist, I go everywhere and look at everything with as little bias as I can muster. Nothing can be 100% right or 100% wrong. It is perfectly fine to use all resources available.
A quick question tho, where is the reality-facing hurt-box chan now?
>>113836Aryanne is a nice poner.
>>113837Confused about the question you mean here or on other chans like 4chan?
>>1138384/pol/ is shit. Go to the main page and on all of it you will find 2 threads that are useful, the rest is bait. Go to 8/pol/ its even more le edgy bait. The other main players are Q/MI/NSA-led, and reddit. Other possible contenders are gab.ai, voat or leddit but they want logins.
We seem to have run out of high usage decent no-login chans. As was suggested this is [s4s] so what exactly are we [s4s]ing??
Reading through Title I of the FISA (IANAL) I think I can see why the Russia narrative needs to be forced. The surveillance REQUIRES Trump to have a FOREIGN connection to validate the ACTUAL use of the FISA that DID happen.
If Trump has NO FOREIGN connections then spying on Trump rests upon a made up and paid for document. It does not matter if Trump slept with 6000 women and snorted coke he importred, that won't justify the illegal use of the FISA based on a fake memo.
RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA!!
I am not seeing anything, as per reddit claim, that anyone Carter talks to is automatically spied on also, like a spreading surveillance virus. But Page is: "Carter William Page (born June 3, 1971) is an American oil industry consultant and a former foreign-policy adviser to Donald Trump during his 2016 Presidential election campaign." – Wikipedia. So all/most of Trump's foreign activity would be discussed with Page.
This is a back-door way to spy on Trump, hopefully catch something foreign related that is bad. Perhaps Mueller has something? If Mueller has nothing the implosion will be epic. And then there is the 13,000 sealed indictments (what explosion hides here?) where-as a normal count for a year is about 1000.
Then we have the OIG report coming too. Then we have
>>113820This memo is only step one in total decimation unless Mueller pulls a rabbit out of the hat. The indictments started late October, so did Q posts.
This ride is far from over.
>>113839I'll level with you vril. The reason why /pol/ on both 8chan and 4chan look crap is because they good threads don't live at all the faster you get. Hell even here where we aren't fast news threads are looked at and read but never disused because they super little reason to be talked about. Add news with bait and you inform your reader along with getting (you)s for your service which makes you want to keep creating threads. The main difference between a chan and reddit is one you can only virtue signal and the other you can say whatever you want whether if its taking the bait or if its playing along with it.
But you seem to be talking about operation threads at the same time. In which the chans are flat out superior to leddit in. Count the number of operation that have started on the /pol/s and then do the same with leddit and its pretty obvious that the /pol/s are better. Airstrikes, arresting an antifa member, compiling a list of known antifa members, doxing, RRSS, HWNDU and its obvious that the latter has no real ability to organize anything besides look through documents that other anons are going through at the same time. Remember the wiki leaks. Anons were flocking and going through them to find something.
>inb4 but thats before I'm talking about nowThe truth is that there is not much going on now. The most recent leaks have been looked through and the memo is pretty obviously all stuff that we mostly knew while leddit is just taking up to it.
The >Q/MI/NSA-led is a literally who and leddit has more users then all of /pol/ but still can't get shit done. Hell we here have done more shit then reddit, which is saying something since our accomplishments consist of meme soccer, finding a terrorist base, and sending a letter to germanistan. What has leddit done by themselves? Nothing.
>As was suggested this is [s4s] so what exactly are we [s4s]ing??/mlpol/ has always been closer to [s4s] then our parent boards. Its why so many anons love /mlpol/ even if they don't like /pol/ and/or /pol/. At our best we are fun and nice. [s4s] is the only real nice board out there. But you can't be both nice and highly political so we tend to avoid politics just by my long run observations. The only things that get a lot of replies are things that we can all agree on or humor. It keeps things nice and fun which is what /mlpol/ mainly was on April fools after /pol/ and /mlp/ purged its less savory users.
>>113848>The truth is that there is not much going on now.Except for Treason.
>The most recent leaks have been looked throughDo you mean the new Clinton emails released?
>The >Q/MI/NSA-led is a literally whoWhere they get as many posts an hour as we do a day. Who?
>sending a letter to germanistan. I missed this one.
>But you can't be both nice and highly political so we tend to avoid politicsI wonder what Atlas, with his Nazi, flag thinks of this outcome? Are we civic-nationalist now?
I miss the hurt-box. Friendship truly is magic.
>>113840I found this:
>(b) No information acquired pursuant to this title shall be dis-closed for law enforcement purposes unless such disclosure is ac-
companied by a statement that such information, or any informa-
tion derived therefrom, may only be used in a criminal proceeding
with the advance authorization of the Attorney General.
SEC. 106., 50 U.S.C. 1806
https://legcounsel.house.gov/Comps/Foreign%20Intelligence%20Surveillance%20Act%20Of%201978.pdfSo by spying on Page talking with Trump, they can then legally attack Trump once he slips up.
The memo is epic if the dossier is faked.
>>113858>I miss the hurboxProbably because you're a Fucking larp faggot
>>113863Your logic is irrefutable. I am defeated.
>>113769Close minded.
>>113801This.
Filtering out information and refusing to accept information from certain sources is exactly what (((they))) do, anon. No matter how shitty the source, all information must be given a chance.
in practice I have noticed and therefore do this:
researchers and insiders > anon chans > reddit does sorting > me > mlpol.
This is not the only path I do, but in practice it was the best I found when looking at the current US political implosion. The chans are too scrappy/fast for one person to monitor, reddit is free collation of chans (everybody knows reddit copies chans) why avoid that opportunity?
>>113801Because reddit is responsible for the destruction of /pol/, we don't want them involved and we don't want them here. Ever. Here, let me repost something Anon said on April Fool's on the matter.
>We aren't on the same side>/pol/ isn't on any side, and certainly not, ever, in any universe, on fucking reddits side.
>We're in it for the lulz, fuck off faggot burgershit. /mlpol/ is the best thing to ever happen to this cesspool because for one fleeting moment since fucking godknowswhen we got to feel what its like to go without fucking reddit for one goddamn moment, and now we're happy to sit off in our little hidden board and treasure it, but you autistic little asswhipe fuckheads decided that you can't mentally, physically, emotionally, or physiologically go 3 seconds without fucking with our goddamn website. So please why don't you just fuck right off and go back to that cesspole and degenerate hell you call a website where you came from or so help me I will fucking kill myself and take as many of my goddamn shitposting absolute retards with zero logical ability who are so fucking terrible they make it impossible for me to be taken in anyway seriously and just make whatever they touch so fucking terrible that they're universally hated by goddamn every board with flags countrymen with me so I can do my goddamn bit to try and somewhat improve this shitty chinese cartoon fuckpit from 2003 by the tiniest amount by cleansing a couple goddamn monsters from this fucking planet, and make sure that I will hunt you down and ensure that with this I will most definitely take as many of you fuckers as well with me as I end my goddamn life for this poor excuse for a website that is this goddamn shitstain on this godfucking awful excuse for a rock.
>AND YOU BETTER NOT FUCKING EVEN THINK ABOUT PUTTING THIS ON YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKFACE >>113876>Because reddit is responsible for the destruction of /pol/There is more evidence that it was ShareBlue and CTR.
Proof it was Reddit?
>>113876It's fine to hate reddit, but don't dismiss information that came from reddit just because you hate them.
Just like you wouldn't want normies to dismiss your information because you come from a chan.
Don't be a double standard.
>>113876There is a pretty vast gulf between inviting reddit here and posting screenshots of interesting/entertaining things from reddit. Reddit as a whole may be shit but that doesn't mean that all information that passes through it becomes useless. Literally what is the problem with casting a wide net across many sources in search of rare gems of useful information? You're a fool if you disregard information based entirely on its source instead of judging the information on its own merit.
>>113876Further… if it was Reddit why could these actual people not be redirected to /mlpol/ like us actual people were? Again this support that funded bots were trashing /pol/ not Reddit.
>>113872Reddit is, admittedly a good compiler of information. The problem with Reddit is that the user base is full of normalfags, and they must largely steal from others to make up for their lack of creativity. They flood communities, never integrate, and run back to Reddit with stolen dank memes so others can prise them for such a good find. They destroyed /pol/, and to a lesser extent /mlp/ extracting content from those boards. Reddit deserves cancer. Utilize Reddit, but never become a Reddit user.
>>113878/ptg/ is the evidence. It was and still is a Reddit colony that established itself on 4chan. That was the tipping point that lead to the mass paid shilling.
>>113676Thanks Snowden and Rep. Nunes for revealing this government abuse.
>>113883I don't have an account there. Nor would I blindly trust them, or anyone. Being an anon is the best thing. Friendship is magic is the best thing. But I will bring the hurt of reality when I think it is factually true and we are avoiding it. That is what I learned from /pol/ the most. /pol/ is the past, and soon /mlp/ too… I want us to remain real and remain at the cutting edge. That's why I push. The internet changes and we should too.
>>113886I have a suspicion that Snowden was a deep state/CIA attack on the NSA who was trying to undo the deep state. If so Snowden is on the opposite side of Trump. No proof one way or the other way yet. But Q has commented:
Quote:
@Snowden. The clock is ticking. How's Russia? [Mr. Contractor] Freedom of the Press. John Perry Barlow.
https://freedom.press SecureDrop [Whistleblowers]? SecureDrop>Clowns In America. NOBODY IS SAFE. Q
https://qcodefag.github.io/ >>113887Probably one of the best, most intelligent response you could have made. Excellent.
Regarding the memo and the escalating fallout. I expect the DNC to completely die by the time this is over. It is interesting to note that martin Armstrong predicted the rise of Third Parties in politics around the world. Trump took over the Republicans, and the treason we are seeing will end the DNC in my view.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/tag/third-party/https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/the-rise-of-a-3rd-party-polls-putting-then-at-37-a-historical-high/Putting all this together we are in a epic situation, which also fits with the 100 year pendulum swing.
>>113897The memo LITERALLY outlines treason.
An attempt to divest from the Constitution and completely throw an election out via falsified and manipulated means, incurring the abuse of government power.
I unironically demand people be hanged.
They think they can do this, it is time it is stopped.
This has to be solved publicly and fairly, by law, and we can only PRAY it doesn't devolve in to civil war, and the collectivist statists go back to their holes.
Or we will suffer a full, blown out open war, destabilizing the entire planet.
>>113905>>113897Who here ready for the age of /strife/?
The ride will never fucking end boys, personally I would like to snipe some people inawoods with some boys and brews.
>>113880>>113881All information from reddit is suspect because of they who run it. It all has to be cross checked and verified to prove it hasn't been doctored by shills, in which event we may as well be compiling shit ourselves. Reddit doesn't find stuff on its own, they leech content from other sites, like 4chan. They did this for years, the attention it brought, and /pol/'s acceptance of them as useful idiots is what lead to shareblue and CTR deeming /pol/ a legitimate threat. Do not make the same mistake twice.
>>113905Loks like death sentencing has been declining as time passes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_convicted_of_treason USA near the bottom.
>>113910>age of /strife/It's already begun for some of us, in a way.
>>113912>It all has to be cross checked and verifiedThat's the point.
You don't just blindly accept information (from ANY source) learn to decide for yourself what is true and what is not.
>>113932Ever since WWII a blind trust in the US Gov happened. This was leveraged to hood-wink the citizenry who could not conceive of being "unpatriotic" to the gov. Along with this was trusting the only sources of information, the media.
We are long past blind "patriotic" trust in gov, and also long past trusting media. With the internet we are now each citizen journalists, we must fact check everything, or state clearly it is speculation, and it is beautiful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority >>113939But even with the deep corrupted state, a broken clock is right at least twice a day.
All information should be accepted for further processing regardless of the source.
This is actually why a lot of people who call 911 end up dying. Because the operator doesn't think it's a legit call. Then the person ends up bleeding out or some shit.
Is there any big news from the US regarding the fallout of the memo?
Here is small summary from reporting in Norway. Yesterday, when the memo was released, it was reporting that the memo should not be released and it is wrong to have transparency (paraphrasing). Today it is only one major outlet that is commenting it. And it mainly said Republicans are far-right conspiracy theorists and that Democrats are rational people, and that this document should never have been released. The other news outlets isn't mentioning the document with one word.
>>113955Its infuriating how much normies don't know or care, I've been having to explain it to everyone except one guy who got worked up and said we should legit hang people again. That felt good.
>>113962I am glad you found at least one nugget of gold amongst those you talked to. It brightens the day and restores faith in humanity when that happens.
A nice video going through the memo by a retired cop.
https://youtu.be/VgZrZSTJtowAs usual the media is going silent.
>>113968Truth exists, but to some it is an inconvenience.
>>113968Don't you ever post a link to buzzheeb without an archive link again.
>>113968Stop it, Vril Anon. You aren't endearing.
>>113955I was really busy at work yesterday and didn't have an opportunity to discuss it with my Co workers. I fear most just care about the superbowl.
Oooo… Just heard on Fox News. There is 5 more memos coming.
http://archive.is/RqxJO>>114780I remember seeing an infographic posted around /pol/ when the Steele dossier news came out suggesting that 4chan had been behind it. I have no idea if it's true or not, but without any clear evidence it's just speculation. The main thing is that the dossier is pretty much confirmed bullshit at this point regardless of where it came from.
Ben Swan and Reality Check is back, looking at Memo/FISA.
https://youtu.be/CX88suyFcVs