I speak autistically, deal with it.
My autism gave me super powers, and I want to share my findings.
I don't think we really forget anything, we just choose to not remember, and so we don't remember so we think can bear the present a little better. Desensitizing ourselves to our experiences becomes a habit, and becomes the only way we can feel anything at all.
Maybe you are ecstatic over a recent development and feeling grand, but there is always the nagging feeling at the back of the mind that you are ignoring just out of habit to feel rewarding, and can't really put down. There is always the possibility that nothing was changed, and you were just duped to feel good.
Or maybe you are grumpy, that the world has an obvious thing wrong among an increasing mound of problems. Stuff is getting worse and all you can do is to point out the wrong doing fervently to right the mistakes, but there is this nagging feeling that a similar wrong thing happened before, and you are just reacting in despair all over again.
Why? Well it is because of perception, and it is why I choose this specific scene of Neo (played by Twilight) blinded previously and is still able 'see' and then to make a pact with the machine leader. The symbolization of having your eyes burned out, but become able to perceive further than ever before, is the analogy of when you finally understand how the information we select on a daily basis, through habits and by external forces, mold and shape how we interpret the world.
And most importantly, knowing how things work, you can rest, take a break, take off the cloudy glasses before your eyes if you want, or, more drastically, cauterize them to see with painful clarity, and start picking up the pieces of what there is left to see, and build a better world starting yourself, and then others.
I wonder how many people has seen Maps of Meaning lectures?
And how do I become mod ktxbye.
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>>42104
I;m pretty sure I understand the analogy you're making. It's a little convoluted, but I think that is just due to language barriers.
>I wonder how many people has seen Maps of Meaning lectures?
I have not. Is it worth a watch?
I;m pretty sure I understand the analogy you're making. It's a little convoluted, but I think that is just due to language barriers.
>I wonder how many people has seen Maps of Meaning lectures?
I have not. Is it worth a watch?
>>42102
I have 0 idea what you tried to say…
are you saying that thanks to your autism you saw through the fabricated lies that we ourselves create to ignore the present and gain a false feeling of security?
your post is closer to philosophy than autismo
I have 0 idea what you tried to say…
are you saying that thanks to your autism you saw through the fabricated lies that we ourselves create to ignore the present and gain a false feeling of security?
your post is closer to philosophy than autismo
I've recently thought a lot about what information we reject, and what we let in, seems to be one of the thing that really shapes our experience of the world.
We never percieve things as they really are, we can only interpret what is happening in terms of what we already know. The human visual system is an example, if you look at what the eye really "sees" it's almost nothing, our brains fills in the blanks and creates a model of the world which is then what we see.
On a higher level this has implications for talking to people with a different worldview. If you "tell it like it is", or the way you see it, it just won't go in because their model of the world can not accommodate the thing you said.
We never percieve things as they really are, we can only interpret what is happening in terms of what we already know. The human visual system is an example, if you look at what the eye really "sees" it's almost nothing, our brains fills in the blanks and creates a model of the world which is then what we see.
On a higher level this has implications for talking to people with a different worldview. If you "tell it like it is", or the way you see it, it just won't go in because their model of the world can not accommodate the thing you said.
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>>42102
Hehe, I know what he means. Its not really so hard to understand.
If ya'll are serious and not larping, I could try to explain.
Also nice shout out to Jordan B Peterson, OP. I haven't seen the lecture yet but I saw lecture about tragedy vs evil. Was considering making a thread but I am busy looking for some employment for summer.
Hehe, I know what he means. Its not really so hard to understand.
If ya'll are serious and not larping, I could try to explain.
Also nice shout out to Jordan B Peterson, OP. I haven't seen the lecture yet but I saw lecture about tragedy vs evil. Was considering making a thread but I am busy looking for some employment for summer.
>>42110
>If you "tell it like it is", or the way you see it, it just won't go in because their model of the world can not accommodate the thing you said.
And thats why we avoid using trigger words when redpilling.
>If you "tell it like it is", or the way you see it, it just won't go in because their model of the world can not accommodate the thing you said.
And thats why we avoid using trigger words when redpilling.
>>42112
explain away, I'm really not sure what have I just read but I feel it might be interesting food for mind
explain away, I'm really not sure what have I just read but I feel it might be interesting food for mind
>>42112
Nice to know a fellow. I've been going rounds on the internet, and finding there are plenty of leeway for honest people to not even touch on a subject. Actually, it may be the majority of people still not on about anything, and if we are able to communicate well, things tend to get better as fast as they have the chance to grow worse. The filter bubble is also increasing in size/intensity.
I still haven't found the likes of knowing Dr. Peterson, do you mind sharing where if you know?
Nice to know a fellow. I've been going rounds on the internet, and finding there are plenty of leeway for honest people to not even touch on a subject. Actually, it may be the majority of people still not on about anything, and if we are able to communicate well, things tend to get better as fast as they have the chance to grow worse. The filter bubble is also increasing in size/intensity.
I still haven't found the likes of knowing Dr. Peterson, do you mind sharing where if you know?
>>42114
OP thinks that we really don't forget things, rather, choose not to remember them so we can deal with the issues at hand better. Growing thicker skin in face of daily happenings becomes habit and we start to rely on this habit to be able to feel, to be capable of empathy.
>Growing thicker skin in face of daily happenings becomes habit and we start to rely on this habit to be able to feel, to be capable of empathy.
I am not sure if OP is serious or this was a mistake in wording but usually growing thicker skin destroys our empathy, not preserves it.
OP claims that it may happen, when you feel great about recent development(like I felt after Trump won the elections for example), there is still something, some background process in your brain that works with your darkest experiences. Its so bad it has to run in the background, like in computers. Most users enjoy processes that run openly, they were meant to them. Other users, more capable with IT, live with the knowledge of all the backdoors that our hardware is being sold with. Its depressing and tedious to counter. Those aware, either deal with it by making it background memory, they just try not to think about it. Some people try but can't forget, they remember all those bad things with the world and it keeps piling up. It keeps piling up until it becomes too much and they get depressed.
OP next proposes that some of those bad memories are perpetual and happen in both in past and present and when bad happening happens again, you are just experiencing the same despair all over again. I guess its extension of saying: "Those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it".
Why picture of Twilight, acting out scene in Neo where he deliberately gave up his eyes to see and where he proposes deal with his arch enemy?
OP believes that like Neo, so we would need to sacrifice our well being to truly see. See beyond the veil that we ourselves put up to protect our mental health. When you do, you will recognize how differently and subjective we used to see the world, until we deactivated our defenses to cold harsh truth.
Next OP says that now you can choose to either keep up your defenses and carry on like that, or just tear them down and see the reality for what it is.
What OP says makes sense to me but I believe that tearing down your defenses can be gradual process, in a way.
You can't gradually accept the evidence and connections you see and gradually accept that you were wrong about things. But you can apply this approach to one small topic at the time, later start with more serious topics when you get better. This way, mental trauma is kept to minimum and you don't get overwelmed with advanced topics. No point making going free fall into rabbit hole when you can't really evaluate reliability of the informaton just yet.
>>42125
>I still haven't found the likes of knowing Dr. Peterson, do you mind sharing where if you know?
You mean you haven't found other philosophers like him? I am afraid I can't help you with that. I am newbie into /pol/ myself but I found all his videos here: https://www.youtube.com/user/JordanPetersonVideos/videos?view=0&sort=da&flow=grid
I went from oldest videos to newest. So far, I have only seen two vids but they were interconnected nicely.
OP thinks that we really don't forget things, rather, choose not to remember them so we can deal with the issues at hand better. Growing thicker skin in face of daily happenings becomes habit and we start to rely on this habit to be able to feel, to be capable of empathy.
>Growing thicker skin in face of daily happenings becomes habit and we start to rely on this habit to be able to feel, to be capable of empathy.
I am not sure if OP is serious or this was a mistake in wording but usually growing thicker skin destroys our empathy, not preserves it.
OP claims that it may happen, when you feel great about recent development(like I felt after Trump won the elections for example), there is still something, some background process in your brain that works with your darkest experiences. Its so bad it has to run in the background, like in computers. Most users enjoy processes that run openly, they were meant to them. Other users, more capable with IT, live with the knowledge of all the backdoors that our hardware is being sold with. Its depressing and tedious to counter. Those aware, either deal with it by making it background memory, they just try not to think about it. Some people try but can't forget, they remember all those bad things with the world and it keeps piling up. It keeps piling up until it becomes too much and they get depressed.
OP next proposes that some of those bad memories are perpetual and happen in both in past and present and when bad happening happens again, you are just experiencing the same despair all over again. I guess its extension of saying: "Those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it".
Why picture of Twilight, acting out scene in Neo where he deliberately gave up his eyes to see and where he proposes deal with his arch enemy?
OP believes that like Neo, so we would need to sacrifice our well being to truly see. See beyond the veil that we ourselves put up to protect our mental health. When you do, you will recognize how differently and subjective we used to see the world, until we deactivated our defenses to cold harsh truth.
Next OP says that now you can choose to either keep up your defenses and carry on like that, or just tear them down and see the reality for what it is.
What OP says makes sense to me but I believe that tearing down your defenses can be gradual process, in a way.
You can't gradually accept the evidence and connections you see and gradually accept that you were wrong about things. But you can apply this approach to one small topic at the time, later start with more serious topics when you get better. This way, mental trauma is kept to minimum and you don't get overwelmed with advanced topics. No point making going free fall into rabbit hole when you can't really evaluate reliability of the informaton just yet.
>>42125
>I still haven't found the likes of knowing Dr. Peterson, do you mind sharing where if you know?
You mean you haven't found other philosophers like him? I am afraid I can't help you with that. I am newbie into /pol/ myself but I found all his videos here: https://www.youtube.com/user/JordanPetersonVideos/videos?view=0&sort=da&flow=grid
I went from oldest videos to newest. So far, I have only seen two vids but they were interconnected nicely.
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I speak autistically, deal with it.
My autism gave me super powers, and I want to share my findings.
I don't think we really forget anything, we just choose to not remember, and so we don't remember so we think can bear the present a little better. Desensitizing ourselves to our experiences becomes a habit, and becomes the only way we can feel anything at all.
Maybe you are ecstatic over a recent development and feeling grand, but there is always the nagging feeling at the back of the mind that you are ignoring just out of habit to feel rewarding, and can't really put down. There is always the possibility that nothing was changed, and you were just duped to feel good.
Or maybe you are grumpy, that the world has an obvious thing wrong among an increasing mound of problems. Stuff is getting worse and all you can do is to point out the wrong doing fervently to right the mistakes, but there is this nagging feeling that a similar wrong thing happened before, and you are just reacting in despair all over again.
Why? Well it is because of perception, and it is why I choose this specific scene of Neo (played by Twilight) blinded previously and is still able 'see' and then to make a pact with the machine leader. The symbolization of having your eyes burned out, but become able to perceive further than ever before, is the analogy of when you finally understand how the information we select on a daily basis, through habits and by external forces, mold and shape how we interpret the world.
And most importantly, knowing how things work, you can rest, take a break, take off the cloudy glasses before your eyes if you want, or, more drastically, cauterize them to see with painful clarity, and start picking up the pieces of what there is left to see, and build a better world starting yourself, and then others.
I wonder how many people has seen Maps of Meaning lectures?
And how do I become mod ktxbye.
My autism gave me super powers, and I want to share my findings.
I don't think we really forget anything, we just choose to not remember, and so we don't remember so we think can bear the present a little better. Desensitizing ourselves to our experiences becomes a habit, and becomes the only way we can feel anything at all.
Maybe you are ecstatic over a recent development and feeling grand, but there is always the nagging feeling at the back of the mind that you are ignoring just out of habit to feel rewarding, and can't really put down. There is always the possibility that nothing was changed, and you were just duped to feel good.
Or maybe you are grumpy, that the world has an obvious thing wrong among an increasing mound of problems. Stuff is getting worse and all you can do is to point out the wrong doing fervently to right the mistakes, but there is this nagging feeling that a similar wrong thing happened before, and you are just reacting in despair all over again.
Why? Well it is because of perception, and it is why I choose this specific scene of Neo (played by Twilight) blinded previously and is still able 'see' and then to make a pact with the machine leader. The symbolization of having your eyes burned out, but become able to perceive further than ever before, is the analogy of when you finally understand how the information we select on a daily basis, through habits and by external forces, mold and shape how we interpret the world.
And most importantly, knowing how things work, you can rest, take a break, take off the cloudy glasses before your eyes if you want, or, more drastically, cauterize them to see with painful clarity, and start picking up the pieces of what there is left to see, and build a better world starting yourself, and then others.
I wonder how many people has seen Maps of Meaning lectures?
And how do I become mod ktxbye.
>>42119
I thought your comment was some nonsense SJW-level "bad words are violence" garbage at first, but I think you have a point.
Language is used, not as a tool of communicating abstract ideas that we hold at arms length and never really touch us, but as a means of changing the state, the model of the world, that another person has. In some sense, it's not that different from physical action, it just acts on the model of the world instead of the objects and atoms that are in it.
I thought your comment was some nonsense SJW-level "bad words are violence" garbage at first, but I think you have a point.
Language is used, not as a tool of communicating abstract ideas that we hold at arms length and never really touch us, but as a means of changing the state, the model of the world, that another person has. In some sense, it's not that different from physical action, it just acts on the model of the world instead of the objects and atoms that are in it.
>>42157
Well sure, its mostly used as a tool to further one's agenda but of course, it doesn't get missused all the time.
Thomas Hobbes in Leviathan talks about few ways that speech is used properly and how it can be missused too.
Well sure, its mostly used as a tool to further one's agenda but of course, it doesn't get missused all the time.
Thomas Hobbes in Leviathan talks about few ways that speech is used properly and how it can be missused too.
>>42158
What I meant was that it's used to change other people every single time. If I tell you something, or you tell me something, I/you change our state accordingly, i.e. our brains make new connections and we learn. We don't really have anything in our brains that distinguishes between "good" facts and "bad" facts, just something that can see if something fits and can raise the alarm when it doesn't. (cognitive dissonance)
On some higher level you can still talk about using language just to pursue one's own goals, or for the good of the whole community, but I don't think there's a fundamental difference deep down.
What I meant was that it's used to change other people every single time. If I tell you something, or you tell me something, I/you change our state accordingly, i.e. our brains make new connections and we learn. We don't really have anything in our brains that distinguishes between "good" facts and "bad" facts, just something that can see if something fits and can raise the alarm when it doesn't. (cognitive dissonance)
On some higher level you can still talk about using language just to pursue one's own goals, or for the good of the whole community, but I don't think there's a fundamental difference deep down.
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>The symbolization of having your eyes burned out, but become able to perceive further than ever before, is the analogy of when you finally understand how the information we select on a daily basis, through habits and by external forces, mold and shape how we interpret the world.
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>>42146
>I am not sure if OP is serious or this was a mistake in wording but usually growing thicker skin destroys our empathy, not preserves it.
An example for what I was trying to say: We all know that person, maybe from facebook, that goes around professing how much they care. Maybe about world events, and then change their profile picture. Well, they are obviously ignoring some facts , and let their emotional responses override their perception and decisions.
Maybe that is why we don't call it empathy when those people are reacting to something, but they certainly think they've considered someone else's situation, and then making judgements based on that.
>>42157
Yeah no, those people grabbed the concept and took it to the ridiculous extreme. I like your interpretation. You said it better than me.
>I am not sure if OP is serious or this was a mistake in wording but usually growing thicker skin destroys our empathy, not preserves it.
An example for what I was trying to say: We all know that person, maybe from facebook, that goes around professing how much they care. Maybe about world events, and then change their profile picture. Well, they are obviously ignoring some facts , and let their emotional responses override their perception and decisions.
Maybe that is why we don't call it empathy when those people are reacting to something, but they certainly think they've considered someone else's situation, and then making judgements based on that.
>>42157
Yeah no, those people grabbed the concept and took it to the ridiculous extreme. I like your interpretation. You said it better than me.
>>42308
>Maybe that is why we don't call it empathy when those people are reacting to something
What you described is called "virtue-signalling".
>Maybe that is why we don't call it empathy when those people are reacting to something
What you described is called "virtue-signalling".
>>42309
Yes, I can see how that would be. My wordings originally are vague because it happens to all sides, not just to virtue signalers. I often see those laughing at idiotic fb posters do their own version of virtue signaling on the reddit clones and the .*chans with their own selection of information. They react with feelings of winning or loosing, celebration and anger/distain. Functionally, both sides are virtually the same, with just different information. It doesn't matter how much truth both sides have in their arguments because like the virtual signalers, low quality engagement doesn't help the topic at all.
Yes, I can see how that would be. My wordings originally are vague because it happens to all sides, not just to virtue signalers. I often see those laughing at idiotic fb posters do their own version of virtue signaling on the reddit clones and the .*chans with their own selection of information. They react with feelings of winning or loosing, celebration and anger/distain. Functionally, both sides are virtually the same, with just different information. It doesn't matter how much truth both sides have in their arguments because like the virtual signalers, low quality engagement doesn't help the topic at all.
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