>>216204 Alright, let's do the math then. 1/2 hour to burn a single body. A commonly reported statistic for Auschwitz is "~6000 jews per day". I assuming this was true (for one, I suggest the Nazis could have been MUCH more efficient if that was their aim), and taking the 1/2 hour/body statistic; >pic related 6 bodies @ 1/2 hour/body = 12 bodies per hour per facility. 3 hours downtime puts the mass capacity at (12 bodies/hour * 21 hours of operation) 252 bodies/day, per facility (shown is a 6-oven configuration).
((( https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/crematoria-and-gas-chambers-at-auschwitz-birkenau ))) Link cites the commonly reported 6000/day figure for Auschwitz. Before taking that apart, let's use their own numbers. 6000/day, at 365/year, for 6 years (1940-45). We're using rough statistics for this one, because Auschwitz is said to only have operated from 1944-1945, but let's just play this out. 6000 * 365 * 5 = 13,141,000 Well THAT can't be right,.... So lets look deeper
>Crematorium I operated [at Auschwitz] from August 15, 1940 until July 1943. According to calculations by the German authorities, 340 corpses could be burned every 24 hours after the installation of the three furnaces. There's an evident variance of per day capacity, but let's run with it. 3 years at 340 people/day = 372,300
>The Crematorium II building, which contained a gas chamber and furnaces for burning corpses. [...] According to calculations by the German authorities, 1,440 corpses could be burned in this crematorium every 24 hours. The gas chamber and Crematorium II functioned from March 1943 through November 1944. Okay, so 21 months at 1,440 people per day we're throwing out the "prisoners say it could do much more" bit puts Crema 2 at 1440 * 30 * 21 = 907,200.
>The Crematorium III building, which contained a gas chamber and furnaces for burning corpses. [...] 1,440 corpses could be burned in this crematorium every 24 hours. According to the testimony of former prisoners, the figure was higher. The gas chamber and Crematorium III functioned from June 1943 through November 1944. 18 (months) * 30 (days) * 1440 (people) = 777,600
>The Crematorium IV (and V) [...] 768 corpses (each) could be burned in this crematorium every 24 hours. March 1943 until October 7, 1944 (crema IV) and April 1943 until January 1945 (crema V) So between the two, we have 1536/day, both operational for about 20 months (IV) and 22 months (V) So for IV we have 768 * 30 * 20 = 460,800 And for V we have 768 * 30 * 22 = 506,880
Admitting these are extremely rough statistics: I - 372,300 II - 907,200 III - 777,600 IV - 460,800 V - 506,880 Total - 3,024,780 Oy vey!
Here's an interesting resource you might like to see pertaining to myths and facts about WWII. I haven't read it in full, I was looking for statistics specific to gassings, but it presents a much more reasonable analysis of the situation. http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml >Each year for decades, tens of thousands of visitors to Auschwitz have been shown an execution "gas chamber" in the main camp, supposedly in its "original state." In January 1995 the prestigious French weekly magazine L'Express acknowledged that "everything" about this "gas chamber" is "false," and that it is in fact a deceitful postwar reconstruction. 
I'm going to have to come back to this, its taken me an hour to compile and arrange all this. In the meantime, please note that crema 1 has 6 ovens, and crema 2 has 15. That will be important later. Also, if you or someone who speaks german could kindly pull up a map and point to the locations of crema 1-5, I would appreciate it. [to be continued,...]
>>216454 Please don't ruin this for me,.... But per wikipedia: the process may be as fast as one hour per 50 kg (100 lb) of body weight (using) oil, natural gas, propane, and, in Hong Kong, coal gas. However, coal and coke were used until the early 1960s. A modern Electrical Cremator is said to take "from 60 to no more than 90 minutes" http://cremationequipments.com/electric-cremator/
Guys, just so I get it because I'm slow at the uptake sometimes, this is not denying the extermination happened, right, only that the numbers and reporting of this terrible event are falsely reported.
To me, it seems a bit out there to say the least when I read people denying the whole mass slaughter of hundreds and thousands of political and war prisoners (Not inferring someone on this page is guilty of this). By the evidence I've read it is clear that there's a thick layer of propaganda clouding the truth, such as the numbers or why it happened or initial stances on such an extreme measure or the fact that most Germans had nothing to do with it and it is used today by grievance vultures pushing their agendas.
I'm only out for the truth in this matter and even if I would bring up the Holocaust to explain to those in the dark about the facts of what did happen I think it is dangerous, counterproductive, and vile to minimize and/or deny the event in its entirety.
My nationality might be speaking for me on this subject, I'm a Swede after all and the disease known as cucked runs deep within us all and Jews do have a strong grip on how specific events are taught and discussed in general society (A few months ago there were billboards throughout our capitol featuring only Jews speaking about the Holocaust). To step out of line is nigh unthinkable.
>>216470 >this is not denying the extermination happened To begin with, who told you so? The Jews and their golems, right? This lie was broadcasted over and over again by the judenpresse in America and Britain from at least 1910 blaming the Russian Tzar. Also, take in count the level of brainwashing you have, when you repeat an oxymoron without your brain engaging in a logical process to defuse it. In other words, the primordial fact that war is about to kill and conquer the adversary is forgotten and erased from the the brain, and only the program telling you that Germans are Bad is allowed to run.
>>216454 >>216457 I was going to try and summarize this but I figured I'll just post the quote from the pro holocaust site so I don't strengthen or weaken their argument by omitting or adding anything by interpretation error. Sorry if its a wall of text.
>The discrepancy between the IHR's estimates and the actual time (more like 30 minutes) is chiefly due to the fact that the IHR is confusing military-industrial crematoria with everyday civilian crematoria.
>When they say "professional crematory operators," they mean people like Lagace, whose job is to cremate one corpse at a time, with a coffin, in an oven designed to incinerate even the largest bones into a fine ash for the next of kin to take home. This situation is obviously not comparable to the situation at Auschwitz-Birkenau during the Second World War.
>For example, Lagace would never even consider mixing or "comingling" the ashes of one deceased person with those of another. Lagace and the IHR forget that two or three emaciated corpses could be inserted into each "muffle." This would, of course, never be done in a civilian, commercial establishment.
>Also, the Auschwitz furnaces were designed to run continuously, using the heat energy produced by the burning of previous bodies to keep the oven hot for the next bodies. After they were fired with coke to their proper operating temperature at the beginning of the day, they required little or no extra fuel to operate. This was a technical achievement that is well-documented (see Gutman et al., Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp, 1994, pp. 185-187ff). Lagace claims that there must be a "cooling off" period between each body incinerated, which shows a profound ignorance on his part as to how the ovens worked. Lagace claims that continuous operation would have caused the Auschwitz ovens to break down, but again, he simply does not understand the difference between everyday civilian crematoria and military-industrial crematoria.
>Also, typically, a commercial crematory operator will burn a corpse for an extended period to remove all traces of carbonized flesh, i.e., to whiten the bones. Even so, such processes only extend the total cremation time to between two and four hours, and not the six to eight hours that Lagace claimed. Lagace forgets that such cosmetic concerns were not of importance to the Nazis.
>Those errors aside, there is still simply no question about the burning times of the ovens. In 1939, the firm of Topf and Sons was awarded a contract to build a Dachau furnace which had an estimated capacity of one corpse per hour per muffle (times two muffles). By increasing the air pressure, by July 1940 they had produced a furnace that could burn just under two corpses per hour per muffle (again, times two muffles). It required three hours of maintenance per day, a far cry from the twelve hours per day claimed by the IHR. (See Gutman et al., op. cit., pp. 185-186, 189-190.)
>The crematoriums that were eventually installed at Auschwitz-Birkenau were massive. They were capable of disposing of several bodies per muffle in half an hour or so, and they could run for days at a time without maintenance. (There were difficulties eventually, however, and several of the ovens were out of service for months at a time.) Topf and Sons was awarded a patent in 1951, and the patent also states that a single muffle can cremate a corpse in half an hour.
>>216509 Everybody who still believes in the "Holohoax" myth should watch David Cole's legendary docu from 1992 where he (a revisionist jew himself) visited Auschwitz. >DAVID COLE IN AUSCHWITZ | full documentary 1992 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF71KKd2P-w
>>216509 Okay. For the time being I'll accept that explanation for increased oven capacity. The numbers we previously arrived at closely enough approximate the (((commonly reported))) numbers of "~3.5 mil were gassed and another .5 mil died of disease, meaning ~4 mil died at Auschwitz.
I'm gonna post this again, and give you an opportunity to read it, again. http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml Its much less tedious to post it again than to quote the entire article, but I will if I have to. as well as the corroborating documents and citations.
the holohoax about soap is one of the most easily debunkable how could the nazis make soap without glicerin? glicerin must be obtained from human fat concentrantion camp skinny prisoners don`t have fat
... and the list goes on and on. When the golems were installed at the government in Occupied Germany, they ordered to pay reparations for life to all willing pretenders. Go figures why so many "survived".
>2019 European Parliament election - Ursula Haverbeck is the leading candidate für "Die Rechte" >The European elections will take place on May 26, 2019: Germany's best-known dissident Ursula Haverbeck, who is currently serving a prison sentence in the Bielefeld prison for expressions of opinion, is the leading candidate for the party DIE RECHTE. Every vote for Ursula Haverbeck helps to get her free!
>Remember the 20 Million! >In 1945 Hollywood director Billy Wilder made the film Die Todesmühlen for OMGUS (American occupational military government of Germany). The film told the German people that TWENTY MILLION had been murdered in THREE HUNDRED concentration camps operated by their government during the war. The clip here is from the English-language version, created in 1946 apparently for indoctrination of U.S. armed forces. >Even then ZOG was lying through the teeth.
>The illogic of holocaust denial trials in Germany >SYLVIA STOLZ IS ONCE AGAIN BEING MARTYRED by the Federal Republic of Germany (FRG) for speaking about, and thereby exposing, the legal insanity that passes for law in dealing with the National Socialist period in history. https://carolynyeager.net/illogic-holocaust-denial-trials-germany
Holohoaxer revealed >German historian Marie Sophie Hingst, famous for her blog about family members who perished in the Holocaust, has been caught in a lie. The revelation also put the media, which published her other ‘personal stories’, in a bind. >Hingst, who lives in Dublin, rose to prominence because of her stories about her alleged Jewish ancestors, who tragically died in the times of the Holocaust. These were published on her blog ‘Read on my dear, read on’ (now offline), which she started back in 2013 in Dublin. The blog featured accounts of her grandfather in particular, who she said was killed in the Nazi death camp Auschwitz
EXCELLENT Song: Hoax Train by Graham Hart. The photos and the film footage in this video IS ALL FROM AUSCHWITZ, which the kikes refer to as a Death Camp. It shows Jews on the stage, the swimming pool, dentists, workshops, the Jewish soccer team, etc, etc. This is genuine WW2 film footage from Auschwitz! This is what Auschwitz was really like! The ZOG police in Britainstan arrested and detained Graham Hart for questioning over this song, he used strange legal jargon to deal with the Police. He was questioned for at least 7 hours and eventually the police decided to let him go without charges.
>>207656 "Six million" is a figure with strong numerological connotations in Jewish culture long predating the Second World War, or the First.
Also, isn't it funny how the Red Cross initially estimated fewer than one hundred thousand deaths in labor camps in Germany, this figure including all Jews, Gypsies, Reds, and so on, who were incarcerated in them? And isn't it funny how every single claim the Soviets made of "extermination camps" was immediately debunked by American inspectors when they were allowed to inspect the camp, until Stalin stopped allowing US inspectors to inspect the claimed "extermination camps" in the Soviet Zone of Occupation? Isn't that a funny coincidence?
We know that there are mass graves all over the place all over Eastern Europe, from the Elbe to Moscow. Every one inspected by other than Russians turns out to be evidence of yet another Soviet mass murder, especially in Ukraine, where the Reds killed upwards of fifteen million white Christian people just before the war. Stalin, his toadies, and his lickspittle Western admirers were and still are absolutely shameless. They even claimed the Polish prisoners they buried in mass graves in Katyn Forest had been killed by Germans. Even Wikipedia admits the Polish prisoners buried there were killed by the NKVD on Stalin's orders.
It's astonishing how many civnats and cuckservatives still believe century-old British and Russian wartime agitprop in which they accused the perfidious Huns of eating babies.
>>241535 You know what else is amazing? During the war, the Germans knew beforehand which of the labor camps would be within the Soviet Zone of Occupation and which would be in the Western Zone of Occupation, and which ones in the Soviet Zone that American investigators would be allowed to see, while the war was still going on. Otherwise I can think of no rational explanation that can tell us why all the labor camps in the Soviet Zone that Stalin didn't allow US inspectors to see were "death camps," but no others were.
And this is even more amazing. Just before the war, when the NKVD (75%+ Jews) killed fifteen million or more white Christian folk in Ukraine, with the enthusiastic assistance and collaboration of local Jews who eagerly informed against their neighbors, those same collaborators were shocked, SHOCKED, that when the Germans lifted the Soviet yoke off the Ukrainian people's necks, the Ukrainians wanted to avenge their murdered kin. Isn't that amazing? Similar scenes played out in the Baltic States and the Soviet-occupied eastern third of Poland, which had suffered similarly at the hands of the NKVD and local Jew collaborators. The anger of the local people was simply inexplicable, and no one could have anticipated or predicted it, am I right?
And lynching hundreds of local collaborators and informers who had innocent blood on their hands was, of course, an evil act without precedent in all of human history, because it was done to people whose relatives owned American banks, stock brokerage houses, radio stations, newspapers, and motion picture production companies. And they would never lie or exaggerate, or use their control of the media to produce propaganda, right?
>>241592 There has been so much agitprop and so much melodramatic exaggeration and deliberate deception associated with the war--even the show trials of German officers and officials after the war, as Stalin demanded, were a form of agitprop--that it is difficult to make such distinctions with clarity or certainty.
The Wikipedia article on one Oscar Dirlewanger, an alcoholic, sexual deviant, and embezzler who had the rare distinction of getting kicked out of the Nazi Party before the war for his misbehavior, is certainly colorful. Apparently during the war he joined the SS, when things were desperate enough that they could not afford to be choosy, and rose rapidly through the ranks, eventually to command a brigade, SS-Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger, and even, very briefly, a division. There are claims, supposedly documented, that during his service he was reprimanded several times and arrested by the Gestapo more than once for his great love of torture and mass murder, and his apparent obsession with raping Jewish women in the labor camps, which the Gestapo regarded as very much a no-no ("Blutschande," roughly translated as "miscegenation" or "blood corruption"). He apparently surrounded himself with similar men, even recruiting violent criminals from prisons, political prisoners and the criminally insane from concentration camps, and they raped, robbed, murdered, and looted their way all across Eastern Europe and back before the war ended and brought their jolly little party to an end. Dirlewanger himself is said to have been lynched by his captors after surrendering.
Everything about the article, actually, seems rather over-the-top and too perfectly on-the-nose.
One thing that does seem to come through is that the aristocrats in the German officer corps despised him, perhaps more for being of common birth, and for commanding troops recruited from German prisons, than for the activities of men under his command. Also, just look at him. He certainly looks the part of a silent film villain.
>>241582 Whoops, didn't mean to sage. You are dead correct on both accounts. Fun fact: the largest German labor camps featured less than 100 executions at pessimistic numbers, either for direct treason or espionage. Soviet death camps were purely bolshevik owned, just like the hint hint slave ships were. Gee, gotta wonder why that is. For some further explanation on how this became the Snowball Effect: it wasn't until the Torch Men Command became widely known that bolsheviks instigated both the Dustbowl (through subversively designed mechanized farming & land overuse/soil depletion) and the Great Depression via tilted stock market collapse. This lead to the near-total enslavemarent of U.S. farmers and small companies. How? Being forced to "sell" their land at >95% losses to mega-corporations. This fed directly into the Raw Deal under that half-kike piece of totally useless shit and his friends the Rothschilds, Warburgs, Soros, of whom they owned most of those mega-corporations. Back that up with central banking being "unable to give loans" with the the vastly expanded Petro-Shekel War Economy, add in jewwood propaganda, and you've created an essentially willing slave 'class' of humans. Cognitive fucking dissonance on "both" sides.
>>241592 Incorrect. Basic, casual observation and recounting the facts of S.S. policies, training, experience, etc. showed the S.S. to be elite shock tactics troopers whom were held to the highest possible standards expected by German-Austria honors. If one stepped out of line, say with a wrongful execution, they would be executed on the spot. Of particular note is that S.S. units were never comprised of persons from one single region, they were in mixed commands and rotated frequently based on merit. There are no outstanding divergences in any known S.S. units aside from service lengths and equipmarent issued.
>>241590 Indeed, hence why I've spread it as much as possible and reccomarend you do the same. The same man whom compiled those original papers stated there are at least 500 papers with the 6 gorillion lie across the world pre-1939, around 800 from 1939-1945, and at minimum 8,000 since then. Repeat bullshit long enough and sheep will bleat it unflinchingly as if it were truth.
>>241607 Beyond cartoonish, it's flat out Saturn's Day villain-of-the-week pigshit. Consider everything you find off 4cuck, even from pre-2016 /pol/ and /k/, with a few bags of salt in hand. Given the number of paid & unpaid shills, glowniggers, or invading plebbit shitstains, the chance of running across factual information is dismally low. That being stated, dig into the S.S. a bit and you will find they were among the most strict of military forces during World War Jew-2. They were expected to uphold not just the country, they were to uphold the noblest ideas possible at a time when half the entire world was being organized, by bolshevik kikes no less, against them.
Even if you prove that at least six million jews were killed by any means, this is just normal, WW2 body count is 80 million, 30 to 40ish million civilians, if it's 6 million jews who died, it's nothing! dozens of millions of Brits, French and more died ,Millions and millions of German civilians too. Let's bury the holohoax with this argument.
>>241592 I might be misinterpreting >>241606, but if he is saying that the Waffen SS was only elite units then he is misinformed.
The Ukrainians in the Waffen SS weren't great but they weren't terrible either. They made up the bulk of recruits for the 14th SS Volunteer Division "Galacia" as well as a few MP units. There wasn't that many to begin with because the German leadership treated them like shit. Here is what Himmler had to say about the Ukrainian SS men (quoted from German Defeat in the East:1944-45), >Ukrainians are soft inside and fickle, and they lack much in comparison to fighting German soldiers
>>241606 >>241608 The Waffen SS is better described as a "mixed bag" depending on the time during the war and which unit you are talking about. Of course units like the 1st SS Leibstandarte Division were the cream of the crop, but the Waffen SS had to compete with the regular Heer for resources and manpower. It isn't realistic to think there weren't compromises made for the quality and training of Waffen SS units as Germany began to lose the war.
>>241611 This is a point potentially useful, if applied correctly, with the correct nuance:
"Yes, we believe your account of six million dead in the Shoah, this despite the fact that all the camps examined by American investigators in the time leading up to the war crimes tribunals at Nuremburg were found to be labor camps for criminals and enemies of the state only, and 'extermination camps' existed only in Soviet claims, in camps in Soviet-occupied territory they allowed no one else to examine. But yes, we believe you. We also believe that Kemal Ataturk and the Young Turks killed four and a half white Christian Armenians, people just like us, fifteen years before the war--and no one cared. Certainly no one in power in any Western nation saw fit to speak seriously about waging a holy war against the Turks to avenge the Armenians, who ended up having to take refuge in the USSR because no one else would even take them in. Less than a decade before the war, between ten and thirty million white Christian Ukrainians, up to half the population, were executed on Stalin's orders by the NKVD--which, by the way, was over 75% Jews. This was documented well in the West. No one even cared enough to impose a trade embargo on the USSR to signal their disapproval, much less wage war against Bolshevism halfway around the planet. In China between 1958 and 1976, the Communist dictatorship of Mao T'se-Tung--installed by and still praised enthusiastically by American Jews--systematically murdered one sixth of the population, over a hundred million people, in the bloody purges of the 'Great Leap Forward' and the 'Cultural Revolution.' Who seriously proposed declaring war on China and starting World War III to stop them? Between 1845 and 1849, the English deliberately starved to death a million British subjects in Ireland. No one proposed waging war against the British Empire to stop it. Over the course of the 18th and 19th Centuries European and US troops waged war against the native Indian tribes, killing perhaps as many as half a million across the continent in two hundred years of continuous warfare, all but annihilating them. No one cared, then or now. How is it, then, that you claim a special status for the Jews, such that any insult or injury done you anywhere in the world must be answered with a pitiless war of extermination, in which all the white nations of the world must pour out rivers of blood and treasure, in a merciless war of 'unconditional surrender,' a war not for our benefit but for yours, until you are satisfied? How can it be that we owe you this? How do you make such a bizarre claim with a straight face? Are you serious, man?"
>>241959 Addendum #1: the total losses of both South American and North American native peoples is highly contested due to religious-controlled politics. The losses in South America are at minimal estimate at least 4,000,000 while the losses in North America range between 3,000,000 and 5,000,000. Both of these were caused by the judeo-catholic ideological foundation of "Manifest Destiny", a religious doctrine which boils down to: 'might makes right, whomever conquers another for the (((church))) shall be judged as rightful in their conflict', which was the direct precursor to both judeo-capitalism and judeo-communism ideologies written down later on. Addendum #2: in the midst of MULTIPLE consecutive Famines from 1772 until 1897, from 3.9 to 4.4 million Irish were starved, executed, tortured to death, beaten to death, raped to death, imprisoned/worked to death, sold to kikes only to become slaves, or simply listed as "KIA/MIA". Ireland's population was once close to 8 million, however that number has not recovered since. Of particular note during this period is that all food produced in Ireland was seized and sent elsewhere, around 300,000 to 600,000 tons worth per year, while the cuckqueen refused all foreign aid shipments greater than the pathetic amount of less than 10,000 tons she 'diverged to Ireland'. The same exact treatment occurred in numerous regions before and after through Europe. Few if any records of this incidents were made or survive to present day. Addendum #3: under the orders of judeo-bolshevik 'capitalists' in britcuckland using Winston Cuckshill as their vehicle, an absolute minimum of 4.1 million Bengalese were starved to death in WW2. An unknown number were sold as slaves during this period. This same exact event occurred in Ukraine at the same exact time. Addendum #4: during the latter portion of WW2 the Philippine islands were subjected to judeo-bolshevik styled US military rule. Mass food shortages, starvation, public beatings, public rape, public executions, etc. etc. etc. were imposed upon a populace that did not want to suffer the fiat taxation of a bolshevik owned central bank. Much the same occurred to Japan while the Chinese were hailed as "patriots and heroes defending themselves from unwarranted aggressions". The Philippines have still not recovered. Addendum #5: the "EurAsian Civil Wars", "Asian Civil Wars", "South American Civil Wars", and "African Civil Wars" throughout the early 1950's until the current year feature all the above save for one change: interference by the illegal, unlawful, unrecognized (((United Nations))) which was formed by the World Jewish Coalition. That body has imposed equally illegal & unlawful rules, regulations, laws, trade embargoes, and frequent denials of foreign aid.
I'm attempting to read through everything in this thread, go through the factual claims, trying to discern what's claims and fact. It is difficult and some claims are read as baseless by me or irrelevant.
I'm fascinated by the discussion regarding how violent, sadistic, and characters of questionable moral fibre was considered. Just as I am interested in knowing how much genocidal intent there really was, and why such acts occurred if the military structure and authority were against wanton violence and strived to behave civilized.
If the Germans never intended an outright genocide, then why did it happen?
If the Germans were against the brutal and uncivilized treatment of prisoners then why did it happen?
If the Germans did intend to genocide the Jews, why did it happen?
How much guilt does the German have regarding the death of prisoners?
How much guilt can be put on the Allies?
It is close to impossible for me to sort the information and process it. Part of this is because I do not know where to find information that lacks political and identitarian considerations that the author/researcher allowed to affect their work. An example of this would be the works of Jared Diamond that are tinted by his anti-Western and anti-White sentiment, especially in , , where he argues Whites were lucky due to geography and largely discounts European intellectual efforts to strengthen his argument of muh magic soil.
>>247103 I won't be able to post today it seems and I will have a hard time to really engage in this discussion. We will see though. I should be able post my own input tomorrow. My expertise is not in the holocaust so I might not be able to provide as in depth explaination as others who our better. Those exist since they actually have read books I haven't about the subject. But I will do what I can. This is due to my approach to argumentation as I avoid basing my arguments on sources that are not common or shared by everyone. For example, historical, statistical, and scientific arguments are things I avoid using. It is nice knowing them but I don't use them. This is because people who don't know this knowledge can just dismiss them. Like the holocaust, for example, I am not afraid to say that I don't believe in it but I don't dvelve deeper into it than that. It is kinda distracting from the question at hand which is usually about our current situation. I try to convince people through common sense and in extension logic so that everyone who hears about it cannot deny it. Like a person can dismiss something because it comes from a certain place as a lie without even checking but, unless they are dishonest, they cannot rationalize a contradiction. Like, "If these immigrants are such a blessing, why are all the areas which they rule over turned to shit?", "If homosexuals are oppressed, we do they occupy every town in the entirety of Sweden each year?", and "Why is it that every western country has problems with black populations in their countries?" Of course some of these require a bit of knowledge regarding what people know. But I think most people know these days what damage the immigrants cause. Anyway, I'll get back to you. Clearly, if I can write this much spontanously, I can write you a proper response. Just don't expect an awesome explaination for my standpoint since this is not my area of expertise. So I am sorry if I can't provide you with the knowledge or proof you are looking for but that is for the future to decide.
>>247117 Redpill memes are all fine and good, but if you're looking for evidence - and if you're giving this a fair hearing you ought - then I'll re-emphasize the hdot.org link here >>218620 and the holocaust reprogramming course here >>222679 are two of your best bets.
>>247103 The Holohoax is one of those things I disbelieve but do not start arguments over unless to provoke. There are a handy facts that put doubt into the official narrative; while I accept some Jews were killed (mainly because of subversive or criminal activities like sabotage in Slovakia, or because of some Hilfswilige who held a grudge) there's no reason to believe that the great bulk were treated any worse than Japanese-Americans were during the War. There's simply no real motive behind it: Jews by their own admission were a necessary labor component in industry-starved Germany and mass murder, especially in regards to claims that it had started while the Germans were still winning, doesn't make any sense. The Red Cross found no evidence of such things happening in Auschwitz of all places and according to official documents it seems that concentration camps were a temporary measure to prevent sabotage by Jewish operatives or pogroms/second Kristellnacht against Jewish communities.
Of course we've all seen the pictures of walking skeletons but that is a horror of war. The exact same thing happened in POW camps during the American Civil War because a complete collapse in supply lines led to severe shortages, and given the necessary choice you must feed the guards first.
However, I withhold former judgement until I actually peruse all important sources from both sides. Given that I'm not a historian and this is a monumental undertaking, that's not happening for many years. I don't consider it significant because 1) it's a very poor way to redpill people because of inherent sensitivity and the permanent tarnish being labeled a "denier" is, 2) it's easier to downplay its significance by pointing out equally bad or worse atrocities by the Soviets, Japanese, and even Western allies that have gone unpunished, and 3) the only people you can realistically discuss it with in a non-anonymous setting are already red-pilled or very open-minded. Also, I don't consider myself a NatSoc and have other moral objections including economic policy, the anti-traditional nature of Lebensborn and Aktion T4 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4). Ironically, things like Aktion T4 get (((ignored))) because they reduce the share of victimhood for Jews (just as how it's claimed six million Jews died out of 13.5 total victims, just so they're in the majority and get automatic consideration as the primary victims).
About what I do, I do not deny any of it in a general situation because the topic is very sensitive. Where I've found at least one open-minded I may if the topic is brought up naturally discuss the event and mention that the official figure is not supported by evidence. Another way I treat this historic event is to put it in a context or compare it to other atrocities; denying it outright is to label yourself as an undesirable. In this day and age, there are things you simply don't do. It doesn't benefit the wish to discuss the topic in a critical manner either. A stance that seems to nettle a few on the forum enough to treat me with condescension.
Never heard about Aktion T4 until now. Just reading about it gives me the chill. I can understand euthanasia for people who are terminally ill and suffering severely, but not for those with certain mental illnesses that can be cared for in institutions. This part of the population is vanishingly small and caring for them is hardly a bigger toll on the system than the criminal population with no such ailments.
>>247187 I appreciate your position, and when people are presented with the idea that the Holocaust is a lie, their first reaction is to indicate that people did die. There's no refuting that, the issue is painting the Nazis as deliberate and methodical exterminators who's sole intention was to kill as many of the Jews as possible. This myth persists to present day, and is used as the staple excuse to denounce any nationalist or white initiative worldwide. As though anyone who would have any racial pride - something that is encouraged in all races except white - is out to murder another 6 gorrillion.
Essential reading: #1: Other Losses: An Investigation into the Mass Deaths of German Prisoners at the Hands of the French and Americans After World War II #2: Gruesome Harvest #3: GERMANY’S WAR: The Origins, Aftermath & Atrocities of World War II #4: The Assassination of James Forrestal #5: Prolonging the Agony: How The Anglo-American Establishment Deliberately Extended WWI by Three-and-a-Half Years #6: Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution: The Remarkable True Story of the American Capitalists Who Financed the Russian Communists #7: Against Our Better Judgment: The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel #8: 200 Years Together by Alexandr Solzhenitsyn. Not fully translated yet: https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/06/13/kevin-macdonald-translation-of-solzhenitsyns-in-the-camps-of-gulag-chapter-20-of-200-years-together/
>The Church Of England Officially Blames Christians In General For Contributing To The ‘Holocaust’ >The very nature of real Christianity is anti-jewish, and no amount of hand ringing, apologies, or changing of doctrine is going to change that. Christ rejected the Jews and everything they stood for, and by demanding that today’s Christians embrace the Jews is tantamount to demanding that Christians reject Christ, which is exactly what the Jews want. >The plan is to replace the suffering of Christ with the alleged suffering of the Jews during World War II. Holocaustianity has replaced Christianity in the hearts of atheistic western Europeans, and their new overlords are ruthless jewish bankers. >Those who refuse to be ruled by Christ are destined to be ruled by the Jews. Just ask the 60 million dead Russians what that will be like. https://christiansfortruth.com/the-church-of-england-officially-blames-christians-in-general-for-contributing-to-the-holocaust/
Theres a video called "one third of the Holocaust". It covers the camps that weren't Auschwitz. 4 hours, i remember it being decent. You should find it on bitchute and youtube. Another interesting video, that isnt related to the Holocaust, but to the ostfront, made by the myth of the 20th century on bitchute
>>216509 I know its unwise to reply to an old post like this. But i do wonder how this efficiency has taken place. There is no way i can think of where preheating simple ovens like that cause them to consume barely any fuel. I dont think energy consumption works like that, especially if you're on a time limit, and need to use temperatures hot enough to turn bone into ash. Sure a hot oven can start cooking faster, but thats because the oven itself has absorbed heat from the coke. Heat that has to be transferred to the body, or replenished by the coke. Plus 2 bodies would take longer to cook wouldn't they? Less surface area would be touching the flames.
>Anne Frank's step-sister and Holocaust survivor Eva Schloss claims photos of the Soviet liberation of Auschwitz are FAKE because soldiers hadn't brought cameras and were taken at other camps >Eva was sent to Auschwitz aged 15 with her mother, Fritzi and father and brother >Says pictures showing Russian liberation of Auschwitz aren't real, as none exist >The survivor has alleged that pictures of Soviet Red Army liberating the camp are fake, because Russian soldiers hadn't brought cameras, and says there was a heavy snowfall at Auschwitz at the time, which isn't shown in pictures. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7933509/Anne-Franks-step-sister-claims-photos-showing-liberation-Auschwitz-FAKE.html
Soap argument is personally my favorite. I wonder if (((they))) know it wasn't produced on a mass scale, wasn't made from camp prisoners bodies and it was just some kind of experiment produced in literally one laboratory? (((wikipedia))) may be not the best source but it explains everything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_made_from_human_corpses
But even if what you say is true and it was all jewish lies then what about Poles? Did almost 2 millions of native polacks just killed themselves when the war started?
>>259722 >But even if what you say is true and it was all jewish lies then what about Poles? Did almost 2 millions of native polacks just killed themselves when the war started? I don't have the statistics on the subject but I would wager the primary causes for most Polish deaths were 1) Soviet occupation which was in half of what was then Poland due to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and which was even worse than Germany's, and 2) in the latter part of the war Poland was a warzone with all the hazards that entailed, including lack of basic necessities and rampaging Soviets. No doubt though that occupation under Germany was quite harsh as wartime occupations tend to be, particularly as focus on the Soviet front meant there was very little tolerance for being a thorn in the side.
>>259733 Maybe you are right. For the victorious country partisans are nothing more but terrorists polnische banditen but you cant justify all german war crimes like Wola massacre (40 000 civilians killed). I'm not trying to derail this thread but even if hololol wasn't real it still doesn't prove Nazis were the good guys. Have you read about Hitler's plans for eastern europe?
And it's kinda funny that poles saved a lot of jews during wwii yet they still hate them. Are poles the ultimate cucks?
>>259737 There are no good guys on a war, are there? But there's a desired outcome, and a not so fortunate outcome. What would have happened if hitler won? Hard to say, but his ideals and methods sure seem better than what wr got now.
The word holocaust comes from Latin holocaustum (which comes from Greek ὁλόκαυστος Holocaustum literally mean "a burnt offering wholly consumed by fire" t. Wiktionary ( also https://archive.is/iD7zi ) But a offering to whom??
>>259834 Show your flag you propaganda fellating dipshit. The implication of Baal being the (((lord of flies))) is solely due to early jews calling them "dung". Don't use biased judeo-cuckstain sources for your claims, either.
>>259932 forgive me, my faith in (((YHWH))) and (((Vatican))) has been shaken recently. are you implying that Ba'al is a benevolent god? this subject might belong in a different thread. perhaps the magick thread? >>>/vx/98688 →sorry, for derailing
>>261245 In a war, the morally right side is the one that will create a better world than the niggers. If we genocided all niggers and broke all our moral boundaries in doing so, we would still be better than them because an all-white world (or all-white world with the Japs spared for anime) would be better than an all-brown niggerized earth.
>>262604 What if the only way to beat the marxists is to declare that absolutely all women are now men?
Suddenly, none of them get a say in whether they can or can not have abortions done, because they're men. All those special protections and privileges they spent years fighting for at the expense of men, like the privilege to ruin a man's life and get away with it? Down the drain, because now everyone's a man, even the chicks. Everyone gets to have it exactly as rough as the men have it, and to say "This is nonsense" is to realize that it's always been nonsense.
>>262604 >photo album made of jewish skin >Ruptly And the hoax goes on and on. Daily reminder that all the allegedly "dead camps" were located on Soviet occupied land, but it's just another cohen-cidence. Also Ruptly as well most other Russian outlets like RT and Sputnik are ran by kikes, exactly the same than in the West.
>>262604 >(((buyer))) >(((smell))) >somehow (((smells bad))) after 76 years >"obviously as a gift for SS men" >those (((degenerate Germans))) >(((woe to muh 6 gorillion)))
That is clearly not human skin. I'd say to shill harder, but if this is their master plan at attempting to gain sympathy? No. Let it sit. Allow the niggerjews and their brainlet huwhite cucks to cry harder.
>>262711 For the most part? Yes. 1 month in open air on a table is more than enough to eradicate all scent from leather of any source. 50 years on a table or bookshelf, all forms of leather which have not been sufficiently oiled would be falling apart quicker than a freshly minted comic book left out on an open front porch in Jew York Shitty. This is a laughably retarded kike shitshow of blatant lies. The condition that 'book' is supposedly in has ridiculously high suspicion potential. Human skin was used on thousands of judeo-xtian & judaic books, some of which still survive to this day. In particular are those dating back to the massacre of the Cathars where the various judeo-xtian schism churches of the time committed >200,000 instances of ritual cannibalism, human sacrifice, and slavery. Common examples from that era were destroyed by order of mainstream judeo-xtian churches from pre-(((manifest destiny))) years until the 1910's, yet collectors refused to do so on account of preserving historical records even though most were 100% religious propaganda.
Problems: the appearance of human skin is similar to porkskin though has far greater surface area-to-hair quotients (roughly 2,500% more), highly DISTINCT numbers of pores per square inch (where porkskin has perhaps 5-10 per square inch, humans have 100-200 depending on bodily region), absorbs dyes more readily (porkskin is rarely used as treated leather outside of gloves due to poor durability), cannot withstand basic elastic testing to determine origin (human skin is more elastic though has far lower tensile strength), though dry-rots far less readily than human skin. That is far more likely to be painstakingly prepared, preserved young sheepskin or goatskin since both were in abundance at the time. There is a chance it may be avian skin, such as goose, swan, or crane, however, the lack of easily procured preservatives for such in Germany at the time brings even that into severe, nearly impossible question.
>>262814 Those fucking Jews are lying to us, and that book has to be fake. In fact, I think these props were made recently. Because if they already existed, then they would have shown them off more in schools. Remember those times in schools when some (((famous Holocaust Survivor))) would be paid the big bux to come to your school and tell all you schoolkids about how awful the holohoax was for him/her? Surely, renting one of these prop books would be cheaper than renting a professional liar. Just imagine how easy it would be for this prop's owner/manufacturer to drip some foul-smelling chemicals on this book every so often to refresh the smell, rent it out to teachers so they can pass it around to kids and disgust them, and then after taking this book back say "That book was made of human flesh". The kids would be disgusted. Some would freak out. Some would say "Cool!" and get punishments for that. But the most disgusted ones would remember this stomach-turning moment every time someone brought up the nazis. Like being disgusted by a CGI video of some soldier dying from gas weapons, but worse.
>>262950 There is 0% doubt that "book" is a pathetic recreation of a German World War Jew era volume. Simply put: those few books which do have human leather coverings are such obscene, unique rarities that they require extensive chemical treatment to survive longer than 30 years beyond their so-called issue date. Human leather is the single worst offender for longevity considering that the few remaining Cathar (((heresy))) era books were noted to have been animal oiled once per five years to prevent them from succumbing to dry rot with such an ease that it makes cheap comics appear to be long lasting in comparison.
Fully agree with your conclusion on the (((eww that's horrible))) factor of (((exposing "Nazi" war crime))) angle. Since 1954, those efforts have been historically prove to spread succinctly unique styles of amerimutt & britcuck propaganda than outright visual or audible sources combined.
After rewatching the video 5 times, there are likewise zero doubts that it is a forgery of an early in-termis, post-WW2 propaganda piece that was created in the same manners as the (((human skin lampshades))) or (((human skin soap))). This meets the total of 15 potential hallmarks for the B.I.T.E. model's religious cult control mechanisms (RCCM) in attempting to retain control of gullible judeo-xtian muppets and acquire potential supporters of the (((holocaust hypothesis))).
>Meet Eli Rosenbaum, the Justice Department's Nazi Hunter >The New York Times is reporting somewhat ruefully that “The Mission to Hunt Nazis Has Become a Race Against Time.” The U.S. Government’s zeal in going after alleged former “Nazis” began in 1979 when the Office of Special Investigations (OSI) was established within the Justice Department. In 2002, OSI included 13 attorneys, almost all of whom were Jewish, backed up by 10 “historians.” In 2010 it merged with the Criminal Division’s Domestic Security Section to create a new unit, the current Human Rights and Special Prosecutions Section (HRSP). >HRSP engages in a range of enforcement activities, but one of its principal focuses is the arrest and repatriation of claimed human rights violators associated with the German concentration and prison camp system preceding and during the Second World War. In the cases of those individuals linked to the camps, the HRSP has reportedly pursued the cases with some urgency because “These people are old, and they’re dying,” suggesting that the pursuit of World War II’s possible surviving criminals is more about revenge than justice. The Times article describes it as a “race against natural life spans.” >suggesting that the pursuit of World War II’s possible surviving criminals is more about revenge than justice. https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/meet-eli-rosenbaum-israeli-american-nazi-hunter/
>>262962 It's stupid for them to do shit like this. We already have memes that debunk the holohoax. Speaking of which, I had this idea for a new board, except it's not a discussion board. /arm/, the Armoury. A board full of threads on politically-relevant topics, each thread filled with a supply of fact-spreading memes on that topic. Holocaust memes, race and IQ "Hate Facts" memes, and so on.
>History Teacher Fired For Allowing Students To Question "Holocaust" Loses Lawsuit On Appeal >The students were questioning the Holocaust and the legacy of Hitler on their own. Ali only encouraged the students to engage in critical thinking without ideological input. >Public schools supposedly protect the First Amendment, yet in this case, Ali was punished for merely allowing the students to read their papers outloud. >One of the papers was based on the documentary "Adolf Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told," showing just how far revisionists have come in impacting the debate over the Second World War. An English teacher overheard it being discussed and informed on Ali and his students to adminiistrators. >After being interrogated by Zega and Lottman on why he didn't punish the students for "denying" the Holocaust, Ali affirmed the right to question everything. He was then fired. https://national-justice.com/teacher-fired-allowing-students-question-holocaust-narrative-loses-lawsuit-appeal
A McInnes-looking faggot covered the Madagascar Plan, essentially rehashing Wikipedia's statements that it would be annudah Shoah. Any good responses to this? www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8T_m09N1yE The problem I see is it's a "just-so" story. The Madagascar Plan didn't actually happen so whether Jews would have died during its execution is pure conjecture. This conjecture is based on statements from planners and a look at contemporary resources on the island. In reality it would probably be no different from the colonization of Australia but how do you go about proving that? Nonetheless it's quite pernicious because the Madagascar Plan has been quite useful in introducing doubt to the Holocaust conspiracy theory and this video inoculates an ignorant mind against such questioning from that angle.
>>268192 Seems like some people in the comments section of the video are bringing up the Anit-Kike laws existed before Germany invaded, and that majority of the inner political struggles on most of the other nations was over the countries trying to retain the sovereignty while dealing with Germany to the West and Russia to the East. Also, there are things like the Haavara Agreement: https://infogalactic.com/info/Haavara_Agreement
>>218620 >nice compilation of propaganda How is this a nice compilation if it objetively peddles lies like the anne frank diary? You realize the author admitted to the scam in order to extend the copywrite yes?
>Germany will spend £450million to help 240,000 Holocaust victims around the world struggling due to coronavirus >Survivors suffer medical issues due to poor treatment in their early life >Many are isolated, having lost their families, and suffer psychological problems >Each survivor will receive two payments of £1,082 over the next two years >In addition to the coronavirus-related funds, Germany agreed in the recently concluded round of annual negotiations to increase funding for social welfare services for survivors by 30.5 million euros (£2.75million), to a total of 554.5 million (£498million) for 2021, the Claims Conference said. >As a result of negotiations with the Claims Conference since 1952, the German government has paid more than £61.4billion in Holocaust reparations. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8839683/Coronavirus-Germany-spend-450million-help-240-000-Holocaust-victims-pandemic.html Holohoax. A very juicy scam.
>Facebook to ban holocaust truth and direct users to “credible sources” >What is happening here is that Facebook has finally given in to the combined pressure from the ADL, Yad Vashem “World Center” and the 'World' Jewish Congress to accept them as the arbiters of the truths and falsehoods about “the Holocaust,” even though they represent and work solely in the interests of Jews. And further, in removing what these organizations call “holocaust denial” (actually holocaust truth) from the Facebook site, they will replace free speech with links to web sites and sources of “credible information” which will all be Jewish, since I don't know any “believer” sites or sources that are not Jewish—and that includes the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM) and any other holocaust museum in existence. https://carolynyeager.net/facebook-ban-holocaust-truth-and-direct-users-%E2%80%9Ccredible-sources%E2%80%9D
>Lawyer Horst Mahler released from prison in Germany after serving 10 years for doubting the holohoax. >THE 84-YEAR-OLD LAWYER WAS RELEASED FROM A PRISON IN THE EASTERN STATE of Brandenburg on Monday afternoon, Oct. 26, a spokesman for the Brandenburg Justice Ministry said. >He was released under strict security conditions, which may have included 'no welcoming party' because it seems there is practically a news blackout on the whole affair. >Mahler was jailed in 2009 after being given a 10-year-plus sentence for “incitement to racial hatred” and for Holocaust denial — which is a crime in Germany. https://carolynyeager.net/lawyer-horst-mahler-released-prison-germany-after-serving-10-years
And there's this little gem: “What a joy and relief and sense of security to be once more on American soil! The nightmares of horrors through which I have passed in those two weeks in Europe, listening to the heartbreaking tales of refugee victims, beggar description. I deeply appreciate your enthusiastic greeting on my arrival today, which I quite understand is addressed not to me personally but to the holy war in the cause of humanity in which we are embarked." "As our ship sailed up the bay today past our proud Statue of Liberty, I breathed a prayer of gratitude and thanksgiving that this fair land of freedom has escaped the curse that has descended upon benighted Germany, which has thereby been converted from a nation of culture into a veritable hell of cruel and savage beasts." "Now or never must all the nations of the earth make common cause against the monstrous claim that the slaughter, starvation and annihilation, by a country that has reverted to barbarism, of its own innocent and defenseless citizens without rhyme, reason or excuse is an internal affair against which the rest of the world must stand idly by and not lift a hand in defense. I have seen and talked with many of these terror-stricken refugees who have had the good fortune to escape over the border, though forced to leave their property behind them, and I want to say to you that nothing that has seeped through to you over the rigid censorship and lying propaganda that are at work to conceal and misrepresent the situation of the Jews in Germany begins to tell a fraction of the frightful story of fiendish torture, cruelty and persecution that are being inflicted day by day upon these men, women and children, of the terrors of worse than death in which they are living. When the tale is told, as it will be some day if the impotent League of Nations ever sufficiently awakens from its Rip Van Winkle slumbers to the realization of its power and duty to prosecute an investigation into the facts, the world will confront a picture so fearful in its barbarous cruelty that the hell of war and the alleged Belgian atrocities will pale into insignificance as compared to this devilishly, deliberately, cold-bloodedly planned and already partially executed campaign for the extermination of a proud, gentle, loyal, law-abiding people." "But why dwell longer upon this revolting picture of the ravages wrought by these ingrates and beasts of prey, animated by the loathsome motives of race hatred, bigotry and envy. For the Jews are the aristocrats of the world. From time immemorial they have been persecuted and have seen their persecutors come and go. They alone have survived. And so will history repeat itself, but that furnishes no reason why we should permit this reversion of a once great nation to the Dark Ages or fail to rescue these 600,000 human souls from the tortures of hell as we can with the aid of our Christian friends, if we have the will to act." "The Hitler regime originated and are fiendishly prosecuting their boycott to exterminate the Jews by placarding Jewish shops, warning Germans against dealing with them, by imprisoning Jewish shopkeepers and parading them through the streets by the hundreds under guard of Nazi troops for the sole crime of being Jews, by ejecting them from the learned professions in which many of them had attained eminence, by excluding their children from the schools, their men from the labor unions, closing against them every avenue of livelihood, locking them in vile concentration camps, starving and torturing them, murdering and beating them without cause and resorting to every other conceivable form of torture, inhuman beyond conception, until suicide has become their only means of escape, and all solely because they are or their remote ancestors were Jews, and all with the avowed object of exterminating them." "Each of you, Jew and Gentile alike, who has not already enlisted in this sacred war should do so now and here. It is not sufficient that you buy no goods made in Germany. You must refuse to deal with any merchant or shopkeeper who sells any German-made goods or who patronizes German ships or shipping." Excerpts from a speech given by zionist leader Samuel Untermyer in Jew York shitty, August 7th 1933
>>207682 There's a bit of a math error in the second image. 300,000 corpses times 3lb of ash each = 900,000 pounds of ash, not one million tons. 900,000 lb is still 450 tons of human remains. At one ounce of teeth per corpse, that adds up to another ten tons of human teeth. Call it 460 tons total, as an estimate. And that is one hell of a lot of human remains to vanish without a trace.
Germany: >Political Dissident Ursula Haverbeck Sent Back To Prison; May Become Oldest Female Inmate In The World >Just weeks after finishing a two and a half year prison sentence for "Holocaust denial," 92-year-old Ursula Haverbeck has been convicted again by German courts, this time for an interview she gave in 2018 that affirmed her view that Jews were not systematically killed during World War II and that the gas chambers at Auschwitz are a politically motivated lie. >If the federal court's sentence of one year in Haverbeck's newest case holds up, Germany will have the dubious distinction of imprisoning the oldest female inmate in the world, a title previously held by American Lucille Keppen, who was incarcerated for shooting her neighbor and was released at age 93. >The German government has been dragging Haverbeck to court for decades for disputing Jewish claims of gas chambers and systematic murder. Haverbeck has famously protested the kangaroo courts that humiliate and defame elderly war veterans using bogus testimony from "survivors." https://national-justice.com/germany-political-dissident-ursula-haverbeck-sent-back-prison-may-become-oldest-female-inmate-world
Don't be an idiot. Holocaust did happen. But it shouldn't be your downfall when someone rubs it in your face. In russia, we have the same trend of saying that during WW2 russian soldiers never stole anything during the infamous Berlin takeover back in 1945. Seriously, it's just retarded. Of course we did steal valueables and raped german women whenever we had a chance. Stop fetishizing your love and embrace the truth, you faggot. Nazis did kill jews and it was, although inhumane and reckless, a mostly vengeful and satisfactory deed. Accept your flaws instead of using a fucking uno card, dude. This is a queer move in the leftist LGBTQ book. And although, it's inhumane and sardonic to say that it was damn good killing those jews, with enough time spent on TV seeing their agendas destroying your country, it becomes argueably less possible not to say so.
White shaming is now a thing where basically all whites are being discriminated against and made fun of, not the specific racist ones. It's called prejudice and nazis are guilty of it. End of the line.
Fan fact number one: Jews were shot with wooden bullets because they do not deserve a noble death of steal penetrating their weak ugly bodies.
Fan fact number two, Martin Luther wrote a book called "on the jews and their lies" and everything in it has materialized accordingly as Hitler himself followed suit with all his suggestions.
As someone who has read the bible's old testament, a book of jewish history gone viral, I know that jews were enslaved two times: one in Egypt and one in Rome. Nazist Germany should be proud of making it the third time around, because they reminded God's chosen people of their cultural legacy - being slaves. If anything, Jewish people should be thakful for being sent to death camps. Now that they are leeching off every single country, weakening nations worldwide and holding every single government in custody, they might have absolutely forgotten their old ways, their simple life. Nazis are that spark in their history that teaches about being the giving humble man, working senseless for nothing, being poor, being treated like an animal, something that a common jew has never learned to accept. Nazis are there to remind them of that. It's their outmost sacred duty.
>>303315 Please don't make me sit through something of a comedic value. I am not in the mood. Yesterday ukrainian people started beating up russian street performers again so I'm not moody to be entertained.
If this video has made such a great inpact on your views, you might hold to it dearly. You probably can point out the most crucial evidence from the get go without someone in doubt being forced to watch it instead.
It's true that the holocaust phenomenon is getting shoved up children's butts in schools. That much I can relate to. I also agree that the exaggeration of actual numbers and facts is also taking place. But just because jews doesn't like debunking holocaust, doesn't make the holocaust fake by definition. If we define holohoax as a jewish scheme targeted at manipulating the new generation into hating a certain ideology, then I will agree to that. But you can't just blindly follow the theory out of principles rather than a determined outcome of historic events that justify your point.
I mean, in the internet you certainly can. I can as well say I'm Derpy Hooves who switched bodies with anon for a day to type misleading shit. I have nothing to back it up, yet you have nothing to prove me wrong. Take it or leave it.
>6 million doesn't make sense at all. -If made up numbers don't make sense, you may consider it puzzling indeed. >gas chambers. wooden doors. -Don't underestimate the human desire to cut the budget. >no chimneys If burning the jews isn't as effective as the video states it is, it's only logical those nazis came up with alternatives to keep up with a 2 thousand per day pace. >photos >Reminds me of when eric showed the japanese leaders who really dropped the Hiroshima bomb. Cows and chickens.
Huge thanks goes to whoever photoshopped both good and bad nazi photos. He might be laughing his ass off.
>"I saw no gas chambers" from Western front. Reading between the lines, eh?
Arguing over such illegitimate standpoints falls into the same debuckery as complaining about getting a shitty kebab in a bistro. I mean... you sure can complain all you want but that's just what this place has to offer, foolish to expect otherwise. Evidence in this video is twisted in such a way that it supports a narrative with the greater half of material being memed into existence. Memes were funny, agreed. But showing a png and saying the line with a funny accent is not enough to win Ivan over. Ivan wants more facts. Ivan wants actual orders given by Hitler or his representstives about setting up a working envirenment for people he so passionately hates, who he wishes to see squeal in agonizing pain. that's what I want to see. But alas. It's fine if you find sollace and comfort in sticking it to the jew by calling on his lies. Afterall, it's more about finding truth rather than out of fury and hate for a certain someone pulling the strings.
>>303326 Is that as far as you got in the video before pussying out? You're a wimpy little cuck, aren't you? Dismissing the video's points smugly is not the same as countering them. Keep watching the video. There's a part with some pictures you should see.
>>303327 That reminds me, are you aware that Intersectionality is the religious "struggle" to cherrypick whatever confirms the left's baseless delusions about white people keeping them down while ignoring all the ways they assist and enable you at their own expense?
>>303333 That's some nice deductive reasoning you did there, assuming I didn't watch the full video based on how little I said about the photos. I only wish the video had done the same kind of outstanding job as you just did.
You are wrong, sadly. I did watch the whole video and to me the arguments it presented came off just as weak as my penis trying to harden watching your mom. Video relies on wishful thinking rather than making a strong concise point, facts are presented in such a way, it leaves me with nothing to work with, much so it belittles me to even try incerting my "but's" and "no's". It almost feels like arguing with Miles Edgeworth who just called your autopsy reported outdated.
And as much as I am concerned, no. I am not cucking out. you are. You use the material as your mouthpiece since you have nothing else to add to this conversation, which brings you to the level of your average nodding NPC. Do you cincerely believe those accused of jew massacres were fully innocent? are you literally claiming there werent a single death camp, not even an instance of it? I admit, I'm just an average lazy idiot without anything to back up my own claims neither, but at least I have common sense. If I were in a room with someone who ruined my country;s economy, resulting in me being fired, my family starving, I would at very least have negative thoughts about him. Not talking about the whole jewish hatred in Poland. Germans hated jews, don't you agree?
Eh... what am I doing. As Jesus have said, don't spill out the truth to those who don't seek it, as they will throw it on the floor and stomp it to dust before your eyes.
>>303396 Being a Christian means you put your faith in God, the incorruptible, not the words of man which deceive. There is enough proof that at least some part of what has been told to us has been fabricated, which puts into doubt every account and must be thoroughly examined, not believed at face value.
I think I am moving off-topic here. Let me correct myself. I have no doubts that holocaust is a lie and will be looking forward to learning in detail about this subject to be certain. Unlike the holocaust, the siege in Leningrad did happen and it wasn't a pleasant experience. My grandma watched thousands of corpses being thrown into the Neva river as countless people died from starvation. Leningrad was completely cut off from the rest of the world. Nazis made sure to attack innocent civilians who were risking their lives to bring food supplies in town. The "road of life" route was the only way to provide food and nazis bombed it, along with the landmarks, churches, schools and monuments. I don't blame the Nazis for this travesty as this could have happened enywhere around the world. I only blame the unintelligible folk twisting the truth in any way they like it, to feel less guilty.
Nothing is as idealistic as it often likes to present itself. Being a follower of nazism means much more than beliving in zog and the jewish problem. It also mean accepting the truth to its fullest extent without sugar coating its most vital parts. The most horrifying and disturbing ones. Any nation in history is guilty of the same crime. Every single one. There has naver been a perfect civilised society in which people lived in harmony, sticking to the rules and rejecting the lesser evil. And by glorifying nazis to an extent of making them almost perfect, you come off as obnoxious as a derpibooru mod saying that they are all good guys without flaws.
>>303399 >>303400 These are fair criticisms, and as you assert no one's hands are clean. No one contests that people - specifically noncombatant civilians- died horribly on both sides. Having said, the holocaust; the specific, deliberate, and industrial extermination of jews en masse as a precept of National Socialism, that is a lie. In particular it is an artifice cooked up by the allies to astroturf a number of war crimes committed by the allies. The very allegations of death camps and furnaces was due to Stalin (who had legitimate death camps) fitting out camps so to appear to have purpose other than supply manufacturing. The allegations of zyklon b are laughably easy to refute, as the mass graves were due to typhus outbreaks due to allied bombings of critical supply lines to and from the camps. Zyklon b is actually an industrial grade fabric delousong agent (which is why there are no locks or seals on the gas chambers... cuz there wasnt people in them, there were carts full of camp inmate clothing). The fact that zyklon b is alleged for wholesale massacre is doubly ironic, because it was the ABSENCE of zyklon that resulted in jews (and others) dying off to the numbers that they did (which is still orders of magnitude less than the jews would have you believe, which has fueled almost a century of reparations to the jews and israel).
>>303310 >Raped German Women whenever we had a chance Most rapists were mongols >>303399 >The siege of Leningrad Probably pissing off the finns wasn't a good idea either >>303400 >Why don't we just drop optics entirely and just say, yes, and they fucking deserved it.
As much as i hate the russo-philia developing last year on the internet, and Putin's WW2 propaganda as it relates to their performance and their war-crimes, i can understand why the need for such propaganda when it would all inevitably be used to justify the demise of the ethnic russian population, which would be engulfed in self-destructing white-guilt.
That said, what must be understood is that natsoc in WW2 it's an important piece to understand our current situation, the reality of the global finantial cartel, and international jewry, you are mature enough to understand why such harsh measures can be justified because no collective of man can be completely clean and pure on this realm that has been subjected to lucifer for so long, but you are rather the exception even in these narrow communities.
"Cleansing" the reputation of the Soviet Union in such period of time however does not offer the understanding we're looking for, besides maybe Stalin of course, as i've already pointed out elsewhere.
>>305540 Fuck off Styx, Ivan said he was a Christian and everyone knows the Bible says earth is under the devil's control, someone out of the millions of Germans absolutely had to be a deranged wicked man, this is just the nature of man and no collective on earth can be completely clean, furthermore, righteous anger and desperation can indeed motivate bloody vengeance. This dosen't mean the other factions are better, in fact an objective look will point otherwise, for this to be the case, best-Germany does not need to be perfect and was certainly not perfect, but i can see the optics on fighting dirty and disingenously to try to make it out to be that way, as the enemy has been doing so since the outbreak of the war.
>>305541 >Western nations also took part on the rape-sprees You would notice it's kinda implicit am talking about the rapes in the eastern front, but you have to take a break and try to be a little less of an irrational sperg before anything else.
>Lewdcifer, how cringe
Oh!, come on, can't i add a little aesthetical writing for my christian ruskie?
>>303327 >Ivan wants actual orders I don't quite remember where it is, but I do remember something along the lines of a finnish document saying that the jews were to be collectively deported to madagascar at the war's closing, however it's been years since I've heard about it so I can't remember too much more. Sorry this came a month late, I don't usually scroll this far up in threads to track a discussion.
>>305629 The number of rape you meant are a complete unknown considering how bolshevik'd their masters were compared to western mutt rape tolls which have been rather thoroughly extrapolated. Rather than making an inintuitive accusation about an unknown quantity, make a direct one: "we don't know how many soviet-goyim rapes there were, thus your opinion is equivalent to the asshole of a common chicken."
And,no, judeo-christians along with the rest of their schismatic apostate shit are second-hand traitors for relying on their kiked babble composed of stolen & rebranded myths. Want the flood? Epic of Gilgamesh.. oh, but wait, there were DOZENS of flood myths in the same region long before! If that was your attempt at performing satire.. doing a shitty muppet job of it.
>>305633 The Havaara Agreement, pic related, is what you were recalling.
>>305629 >le smug animu Come back when you can get your terminology straight. Bad enough when leftists use the "throwing out unassociated and unrelated 'bad-guy' names" tactic to try to justify half-baked rhetoric. I thought you were better than that
>>305635 the haavara agreement does look similar, but it was definitely something specifically mentioning madagascar and not palestine so I think it might still be something else. I also kind of remember it being something in relation to the only real example of what "the final solution" meant to people in the nazi hierarchy if we aren't going to make the jewish assumption that it was just to kill them all.
>>305635 >It's impossible to know the actual number of rapes Yup, Soviet stats are even more unreliable than western ones, although if you look at the documented material from Germany, it does regards these "second waves" as the major perpetrators of atrocities.
>>305640 I don't know how to make my point any clearer, Ivan is indeed basically saying, "yes, the holocaust did happened and they deserved it, although the Germans were evil, they were a lesser one", i for one believe that if the holocaust indeed happened, it must have been a measure to regulate the famine that the British blockade brought into axis controlled Europe.
Mine was literally a mere attempt at explaining why beyond factual realities, narratives must still be pushed if we are to stand a chance against an enemy that has been doing so for decades, this is well beyond the holohoax.
>>305673 Because those EVIL Germans killed over 70 quintillion of God's chosen people in the evil nazi meatgrinders, I was personally a prisoner at Auschwitz, Dachau and Buchenwald and every one of the camps had a 100000 foot fall meat grinder that could fit one million Jews inside of it at once, the blades were spinning swastikas that shot out Zyklon B gases and fire it was ABSOLUTELY horrible goyim, I barely made it out alive.
>>305673 To summarize, even tho Germany's war-crimes were at the very least, motivated by a real necessity, namely, literally engaging the partisans, the casualties of which make up the overwhelming majority of the so-called "civilian murders", aswell as the inevitable food shortages caused by the British naval blockade, and thus not comparable to say...mongol rape-sprees that only satisfied the bug-man's urges.
There were still, members that were cruel and brutal, even if that really does not represent the wider movement and collective, we should still downplay it, the same way the Black community does with interracial crime, is dishonest?, yes, and i praise white honesty, but in a kiked, femenine world where nothing short of German soldiers sacrificing themselves and their people for the sake of not hurting their agressor will be met by disapproval, you have to start moving around like a kike, specially when their propaganda makes angels out of the western allies, or for a much recent example, the uppity minorities in the western world.
Anyways, i was trying to reach out to the russian anon, assuming that he is legit because i'm kinda surrounded by Christians of the same sort irl, am Christian myself but you can tell we're not even alike, i apologize because i could have been a lot clearer about my stance, and there are certain ways anons must react to potential shills, and this is more about strategy than anything else, since my input dosen't seem to be helping the thread tho, i guess am leaving right now for the better.
>>305643 Oh, the retarded Madagascar Plan. A little background:then: Haavara failed due to one reason, kikes wanted to kike and not leave Germany where they were surrounded & protected by their fellow juden. Roughly a month before the yellow-bellied frogs were overrun by German forces, ONE specific retro-Weimar Republikike by the name of Franz Rademacher came up with the idea to create a, not even joking: "jewish department of the German Foreign Office". In short terms: "LET US JEW YOU AGAIN GOYIM, I PROMISE YOU WON'T REGRET IT! JUST LET US LEAVE WITH EVERYTHING WE WANT!" In sum, it was a pigshit insane concept that never would have worked... except the timing was oh so good for propaganda purposes. The resources (mostly time and intellectuals being pulled away from war developments) that were spent to consider how moving all those filthy subhuman bootlickers began to cause a split in political circles. That my friend was the Final Solution: how to SEND all the inbred pigfucking jews somewhere that they could do no harm, at least until they could be deprogrammed. Of course, you can 'thank' (((Eisenhower))), (((FDR))) the inbred swedish half-kike, and that rabid bitchdog boy-raping pedophile churchill for interfering.
>>305657 I've seen them. Not impressed with the lack of scholarship and historicity, period. Basque did a much better job of running numbers. Regardless of how pretty those statistics are dressed up they still come out to be: "a rapist mutt is a rapist mutt no matter how you propagandize them after the fact". The only difference between amerimutts, britcucks, and soviets was how and where each group buried their dirty little secrets. Hint: not very well.
>>306104 Does this include the points brought up by that Bitchute video that's the opening theme for "How heavy are the dumbbells you lift?"/Dumbell Nan Kilo Moteru except the lyrics are about the holohoax?