/mlpol/ - My Little Politics

>>205224
>this is not the end of my little pony
Nigga can you read?

>applejack's face
it appears quick euthanasia was too easy in (((their))) opinion, opting instead for the slow, painful death before g5 rolls around

>>205224
How did this fandom start anon?
It started back in 2011 when a bunch of autists realized mlp:FIM was a good show, started watching it and then found each other on the internet.
It was obvious that FiM won't last forever, but the fandom can live on, this is not the end of FiM, this is the end of hasbro's monopoly, without hasbro on the way, and with enough content creators, we can just fix all the mess they have done and put FiM on the right track again, made by ponies, for ponies, just like the mentally advanced series but more serious.

>>205274
Yeah, this. I been thinking about it for a while now. I have wanted the series to end because it only adds bad stuff to the original series and calls it canon.
Death note ended forever ago and yet there is still new fancontent created for it.

>>205224

The fandom is still there to care for the universe we took a liking to thanks to the first seasons. If the writers and director's board, whatever it's called, decides to go "ethnic" with the main cast and to do away with Applejack the fandom can still create works featuring her, and, hopefully, show our ire towards this possible decision to do away with Applejack and go anti-White identity politics with the cast and the MLP universe.

>>205274
I still think a fan-animated series would be worth watching. 3D animation would probably be the quick and dirty solution which I'm sure we'd get used to if the writing was good. Plus there's always fan comics and fan fiction.

>>205277
Please don't remind me of the existence of that ever again.

>>205300
I'm making a pony game that's not a pony game, but could easily have pony models added into it.

>>205277
Why the fuck do I look related to the retard on the left? I was picked out of the genetic shit of the gene pool.

>>205319
You don't look bad, only lacking a manly jaw.
Put on some muscle on your body and GG

>>205319
Nat Wolff is very likely a jew so I guess you should get a bathtub to avoid trauma.
I do look more related to the one on the right. Yeah, nigga! My ass is black as the night yo! Muthfukarz!

>>205274
>>205277
This is what I always hoped for and thought would happen since 2011, but I fear there'll be too many people jumping ship like in twilicorn for it to be sustainable

>>205365
MLP newfag here. What was so bad about Twilicorn that caused so many to bail on the series? I thought it was alright.

>>205224
If there's even a little bit of autistic blood in your veins, you should fight with everything you have to stay on the ride.

>>205266
How can a single picture fill my heart with so much sadness and rage?

The ride doesn't ends as long you keep drawing the ponies you want to see.
The furry fandom didn't end when many artists left, when Jim Hardiman or Doug Winger died.
Digimon changed since 1999, and for twenty years people still draw Gatomon and Renamon, Impmon and the characters they love.
It's the same for every fandom. From the original starwars series, to the reboots and the re-reboots. With startrek through the generations. I don't know but the pokemon fandom also has changed a lot. A base, an universe is here to stay and in our case, the fandom will not be altered by anything that will be decanonized or defaced by inonoclasts.

I've been into MLP since the eighties, against my will.
Someone in my family bought me a G1 pony, I always shunned this toy but since my Lucky Luke didn't had a horse... meh. I gave them away to my cousin in the early 90's along with cardboxes full of legos and electric trains as the SuperNES replaced everything else. I really regret this.

Ponies have been present in Disney's Fantasia, this is what inspired Bonnie Zacherle. Hell, Digimon also had unicorns and pegasus. Many furries or just anthro, or feral artists had some kind of pony OC too long before MLPFIM.

Ponies aren't what Hasbro creates. We are the ponies.

Hasbro or anyone else won't always shit what you want to see so let's get to the basics. Write. Draw. Use the leaked assets .fla to create everything you need, it's already here, you have everything you need.
The end of MLPFIM is the real beginning of the fandom. You are all grown-up now, you no longer need to get spoonfed by DHX, Allspark, Boulder, Hasbro, IDW and all that.

>>205390
For once, based tripfag.

>>205390
>A base, an universe is here to stay and in our case, the fandom will not be altered by anything that will be decanonized or defaced by inonoclasts.

>Ponies aren't what Hasbro creates. We are the ponies.

THIS is badass. I like your reasoning based filly!

>>205390
>leaked assets
>.fla
Got a .zip m8?

>>205373
Note that I'm fairly new to MLP, and wasn't around when the actual shitstorm went down, so others could probably give much more thorough and well reasoned answers. This should be enough to at least point you in the general direction though.
Also note, as with all writing, anything can conceivably be written well, even if the idea doesn't seem like a good one at first. Most of the people I've seen who are opposed to Twilicorn (myself included) seem like they wouldn't have minded it very much if it had been written differently, even though they still wouldn't be keen on the idea.
To start, Twilight only fixed a mess that she herself made, and shouldn't be rewarded for that. She pretty much ruined her friends lives with that spell, so fixing it is the absolute bare minimum a friend should do. It's not some amazing act of kindness or loyalty or any other element(s) at all. Also, Celestia's note said to wait 'till the next day when Celestia herself would be there to go over the spell with Twilight, but Twilight didn't, and things went badly.
It's also an example of Twilight getting special treatment above and beyond the rest of the mane 6, which was already going on with her being Celestia's special student and all of that. If anypony could have conceivably turned into an alicorn, why Twilight first? She didn't even want friends in the beginning, and yet at that point most of the other ponies had been living their element for years. At best, Twilight becomes a better pony than she used to be, but not necessarily better than any of the others, and yet she alone gets turned into a demigod.
It also wasn't even really implied to be possible or led up to. Cadence had only just shown up at the end of Season 2, so we went almost two full seasons with only two alicorns, and then in just over the length of half a season (S3 was only 13 episodes, instead of 26) we jump from two alicorns, to four of them. The number of alicorns has doubled, in essentially no time at all.
And, of course, it further degrades Alicorns into being less godlike. Cadence obviously did this first, so Twilight is another hit at a sore spot, in addition to everything else. Even with Cadence, at that point in the series it's quite easy to just headcannon Cadence as actually being a unicorn or pegasus or something like that, as nothing in A Canterlot Wedding actually required she be an alicorn. Twilight though, would obviously still be a very frequent character, and so they'd have to keep writing her as an alicorn, constantly. This is especially jarring because allowing regular ponies to turn into alicorns creates tons of questions that are never addressed at all (at least, they haven't been up to the beginning of Season 5, which is as far as I've gotten). If alicorns are not the Equestrian equivalent of gods, what are they? Why are Celestia and Luna the ones ruling and raising the sun and moon if anypony could conceivably become an alicorn? Were Celestia and Luna alicorns originally? If not, why aren't there more alicorns around, if so, why is Celestia only creating more alicorns now? Will Luna create any alicorns? Was Celestia grooming a replacement for Luna, and Luna's escape an unexpected hiccup? What is even going on?
That's all the main objections I can think of off the top of my head (though I'm sure I'm forgetting some), so I'll end by reiterating that anything can conceivably be written well, and an alicorn Twilight isn't necessarily awful, it just needed to be handled with more care, build up, and attention to detail, than can probably be expected from a kids' show owned by a toy company that's trying to sell toys with it.

>>205580
You want "AssetsLicensor.zip"
For converted .png files from that, for anyone who doesn't have or want to deal with a flash animation program, you'll want "MLP Show Bible.zip".

Google them.
In the results for AssetsLincensor.zip, thread 30201103 (not this site) has a working link.
For the converted .png's, just search for MLP Show Bible.zip" in quotes, and it should be the only result.

>>205583
Thank you for responding. I don't begrudge you your opinion, but I disagree. Let me try and articulate in response.
>To start, Twilight only fixed a mess that she herself made, and shouldn't be rewarded for that
You're looking at it all wrong. Its not that she was rewarded for fixing a mess she made, its that she was dabbling with powerful magic that alluded to the fundamental nature of ponykind, and by responding correctly to the situation she found herself in grew into something beyond what she was.
>It's also an example of Twilight getting special treatment above and beyond the rest of the mane 6
Again, its not a matter of merit, its a matter of cause and effect. I rather appreciate that the alicorn mutation (or whatever) isn't based entirely on popularity. In this case, Twilight (by her own actions, regardless of whether she was following instructions or not) potentiated a rite of passage which she successfully surmounted.
>It also wasn't even really implied to be possible or led up to

>>205587
God dammit, my fucking trackpad
Continued
No of course it wasn't implied to be possible, it was entirely unknown. Celestia said this herself.
>we jump from two alicorns, to four of them
Waaah, that's a poor objection IMO.
>If alicorns are not the Equestrian equivalent of gods, what are they?
This question assumes that the viewer is entitled to a full and comprehensive explanation, which I find to be pretentious at best. Reasonably speaking, the worst that this does is possibly burst preconceptions about the world, which are the fault of the viewer and not the writers.
>Why are Celestia and Luna the ones ruling and raising the sun and moon if anypony could conceivably become an alicorn? Were Celestia and Luna alicorns originally? If not, why aren't there more alicorns around, if so, why is Celestia only creating more alicorns now? Will Luna create any alicorns? Was Celestia grooming a replacement for Luna, and Luna's escape an unexpected hiccup? What is even going on?
Which is more important? An answer to all these questions, or maintaining an appreciation for the show?
I'm picking on you because you responded, but my question stands. I find that alot of the fandom who fell in love with the show did so quickly (self included) but many developed a sense of ownership over the show that they grew to love, but started crying like idiots when things happened that they didn't approve of.
Lets be real, no one set out to be a horsefucker, and yet upon exposure they did so. But when the show went in a direction that defied their preconceptions of what should happen, people bailed? How cursory and superficial was their involvement then?

>>205585
>rome silvanus link
You know his public Hasbro stuff got nuked by a C&D, right? You'll have to use his BTSync to get to it now.
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>>205390
Replace "inonoclasts" with "iconoclasts"!
otherwise, all good.

>>205587
>I don't begrudge you your opinion, but I disagree.
No prob. It's been long enough since the event that I imagine a civil conversation about the whole thing shouldn't be too hard.
>its that she was dabbling with powerful magic that alluded to the fundamental nature of ponykind...
Which is entirely conjecture. Which is the problem. There are so many unknowns that it all boils down to if someone likes or dislikes the change on a gut level, and anything can then be justified either way.
>Its not that she was rewarded...
Not by a pony, sure, but definitely by the universe she lives in. Her actions resulted in a significant benefit to her, and so she will be more inclined to take similar risks in the future.
>its not a matter of merit, its a matter of cause and effect
Except this is a TV show written by people, and is not merely uncaring mechanical reality. The writers create the rules of the universe, and those rules have benefited Twilight above and beyond the other ponies. They may not have intended them to, but that is what happened. The writers of a work are the gods of that universe, and anything that happens is their responsibility.
>it was entirely unknown. Celestia said this herself.
That makes the whole thing worse. First, it means that the existence of Cadence can't possibly have foreshadowed Twilight's transformation, and Twilight is thus the recipient of magical powers that literally nopony knew about, and which had not been foreshadowed to the audience either.
Imagine if in Lord of the Rings, they didn't know what the ring was or that it had any connection to Sauron, and then they decided to launch a desperate sneak attack on Sauron's tower with a handful of warriors hoping to slay him, and Sauron just died when somebody dropped the ring in Mt. Doom on a whim.
Or imagine if in The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe, nobody mentioned Aslan at all, and he just suddenly showed up during one of the battles and killed the White Witch.
This is what happens to Twilight. She just becomes an Alicorn, and apparently even Celestia herself had no idea it was possible.
Surely you can see how this would, at the very least, be rather jarring to many people.
>a rite of passage
That sounds fancy and all, but is purely conjecture. Surely, throughout pony history, there must have been somepony else who figured out, whatever it was, and didn't need to destroy their friends lives in the process. Why is Twilgiht special? There is no answer to that in the actual work, so the only thing that leaves is even further conjecture, which cannot be expected to convince anyone who doesn't already like the idea of Twilght becoming an alicorn. That is the entire problem with how it was handled.
>to a full and comprehensive explanation, which I find to be pretentious at best
It does nothing of the kind. It asks the work to have coherent rules, so that it is understandable. According to your own comment, Celestia did not know ponies could become alicorns, so at the very least her and Twilight should be asking themselves some of these questions.
For example, oughtn't Luna or Celestia be worried that Twilight might use an alicorn's power for selfish reasons, as even Luna herself, being much older and wiser, still fell for that temptation. Does an alicorn even have more power? Nopony in the show knows or cares, even though they really ought to.
>or maintaining an appreciation for the show
>many developed a sense of ownership over the show
>people bailed? How cursory and superficial was their involvement then?
You've just done the reverse, though, and implied that the show has ownership over the affections of the audience. If the show does something people don't like, they have absolutely no obligation to just power ahead and stay with it. The writer also, has no obligation to do what the audience wants.
In fact, the writer has an obligation to write what they themselves want to write, and the audience has one to stop if they don't like it. Anything else would be sacrificing the integrity not just of the party concerned, but probably of artistry itself.
>a direction that defied their preconceptions
That is so wrong it's bordering on dishonest. It went in a direction some people *didn't like*, not merely somewhere unexpected.
For example, how many people dislike the show because Fluttershy got mad and very, very, sternly talked down the dragon causing the smoke? Or because dragons physically eat gems? Or because Luna became more lighthearted and fun-loving than Celestia? Or because Applejack has lots of hats? Or because changelings were introduced? Or because Discord existed?
Heck, the Discord finale could not possibly have been what anypony was expecting, and yet Discord is a pretty well like character. Even his reformation seems to mostly just be disliked because it was crammed into such a short time, and so shortly after his defeat.

>>205638
>Which is entirely conjecture
Except that its evident. Celestia herself said that it was a powerful spell that not even Starswirl was able to complete. Hence it was powerful magic, and as evidenced by the effect of the spell which was (by effect) to challenge the caster's comprehension of the importance of cutie marks, which does pertain to the fundamental nature of ponykind, the assertion is not conjecture at all.
>Not by a pony, sure, but definitely by the universe she lives in
If by this you mean 'managed to avoid horribly screwing over all of Equestria', then yes she was rewarded,... with more responsibility, which continues to plague her to this day, as she's regularly faced with situations where she has no prior resources to draw on.
>Except this is a TV show written by people
And yes, you have made your reception to their writing evident (as have I). You haven't however iterated why it is bad that Twilight gets more screen/story time than other ponies, except that its not your preference.

Oh boy
>First, it means that the existence of Cadence can't possibly have foreshadowed Twilight's transformation
Unfounded. We don't know how Cadance's transformation took place. We know she wasn't born an alicorn, as Flurry Heart was the first alicorn-born according to Twilight. So then, we can assume that Cadance was probably a Unicorn at first, but by the time she's referenced as Twilight's foal-sitter, she was already an alicorn.
>Twilight is thus the recipient of magical powers that literally nopony knew about
Uh yeah, there apparently has never been a princess of friendship.
>which had not been foreshadowed to the audience either
And? Does everything have to be implicitly indicated in advance in order to be receptable?
>Surely you can see how this would, at the very least, be rather jarring to many people
First, I fail to see how your examples are comparable. Secondly, if people were jarred by the transition, I suggest they had invested far too much in a different outcome
>That sounds fancy and all, but is purely conjecture. Surely, throughout pony history, there must have been somepony else who figured out, whatever it was, and didn't need to destroy their friends lives in the process
No, my statement was a generalization based on the type of thing that occurred. YOUR statement however, IS conjecture. Again, I refer to my earlier statements about Cadance.
While I'm at it, do we even know if Celestia and Luna were born alicorns? Do we even know how old either of them are? Is it possible that we don't know the first thing about them and they (and alicorns in general) are still in an unspecified grey area where attempting to draw conclusions about them is premature?
>Why is Twilgiht special?
Let's see.
She is a powerful enough magician to have completed a spell that a legendary powerful magician failed at.
After doing so, she used her knowledge of the magic involved (Friendship) to fix the problem that had surfaced.
>You've just done the reverse, though, and implied that the show has ownership over the affections of the audience
Quite the opposite actually. I'm saying that the show has no obligation to proceed in accordance with the wishes of the fans, particularly because in advance there would have been no way of knowing how the fandom would respond and that it would have been far worse to try and undo or reverse the course they had set out on.
> It went in a direction some people *didn't like*, not merely somewhere unexpected.
That doesn't give their reception any legitimacy. I reiterate my point, except I'll amend my question per your specification.
But when the show went in a direction that they didn't like (because it defied their preconceptions of what should happen), people bailed? How cursory and superficial was their involvement then?

>>205638
>>205640

>It was entirely unknown, Celestia said this herself.

Just gonna say this quick; didn't Sunset got mad because Celestia didn't wanted to turn her into an Alicorn.

>>205224
No

>>205490
>>205487
for example... they could keep the stories going in the comics

season 2 is trash

>>206261
The first EQG movie was far better than Rainbow Rocks.

>>206289
Now you're just being silly.

>>205640
>that not even Starswirl was able to complete. Hence it was powerful magic
Or just really weird magic, or possibly magic that nopony cared about enough to bother with, or maybe Starswirl was smart but weak, or dumb but lucky, or any number of other things. You're assuming things that are not shown.
>which was (by effect) to challenge the caster's comprehension of the importance of cutie marks
No, the effect was to swap the cutie marks (but not Twilight's, for some reason). And since the spell was clearly stated to be unfinished, we don't even know what it was supposed to do, especially since when Twilight cast the "correct" version, the only thing that happened was returning the cutie marks to the correct ponies. You are, again, assuming many things which have not been shown. We do not know how ponies assumed cutie marks worked, and there is no reason to think that "challenging their comprehension" of cutie marks was in any way important to anything.
You are 100% conjecturing. Which is fine if you would just be aware of it.
>If by this you mean 'managed to avoid horribly screwing over all of Equestria'
No. First, it was just Ponyville that was in a mess, not all of Equestria. Second, that was the act of fixing the mess she made. After fixing the mess, she turned into a mother-feathering alicorn princess. Which was not in any way required to fix the mess, and is an extra bonus on top of the status quo. Things did not go back to normal, they went to better than normal. You know this.
>with more responsibility, which continues to plague her to this day
Yep, she definitely isn't still going on adventures with her friends exactly like they always did. No sir. And she never had to solve anypony's problems before, ever. And she never had to worry about Equestria getting taken over by somepony, or the town of Ponyville being destroyed, or anything else.
Oh wait, it's almost like nothing changed at all.
>she's regularly faced with situations where she has no prior resources to draw on.
I too, remember how she was able to just call in the royal guard to deal with Nightmare Moon, and then spent the night at the spa while they handled it. And how she had lots of experience dividing limited resources and was able to easily negotiate who would be able to go to the gala in a mutually satisfactory way. And how she was able to call on her years of diplomatic experience and easily handle the buffalo affair with no incidents. And so on and so forth.
Oh wait, she's never had prior resources or experience for the problems that crop up, because if she did they wouldn't have been a problem in the first place.
>screen/story time
And, you know, turning into an alicorn princess. But really, as you've established, that's far more of a curse than a blessing, so why would anypony want that?
>than other ponies, except that its not your preference.
It's almost like there are several other main characters, and when one of them gets put on a pedestal so often and so much it irritates everyone who likes some of the other characters.
They're called the mane six, not the mane one. If they wanted to write "The Twilight Show About Twilight", then they should have changed the name so everyone at least knew what to expect from it.
>Unfounded. We don't know how Cadance's transformation took place.
Uh... That's literally the exact reason that Cadence being an alicorn can't foreshadow Twilight's transformation. We don't (or at least, didn't at the time) know why or how Cadence was an alicorn, so there was no way to extrapolate from that to whether or not other ponies could become alicorns or if Cadence had just been born one, or anything else.
>Uh yeah, there apparently has never been a princess of friendship.
There had been multiple other alicorns, however, and multiple other princesses. Somepony somewhere should have had at least an inkling that this was possible, if it was.
>Does everything have to be implicitly indicated in advance in order to be receptable?
>I fail to see how your examples are comparable
How is this a question? Stories are supposed to lead the audience somewhere, not just suddenly appear somewhere that's completely unrelated to anything they've ever heard of.
Twilgiht just becomes an alicorn, with no lead up or any idea that such a thing is even possible. That is exactly what my examples were about.
Sure, technically not every single itty-bitty thing needs some lead up or foreshadowing, but turning into an alicorn princess when for over a thousand years (and just under two seasons) there were only the two of them, that sure as hay needs some lead up.
Tartarus, even that finale itself didn't lead up to Twilight becoming an alicorn. There's not a single glimmer in it that any such thing is possible, and then wham, it just happens. That's bad writing. If you can't see that, then there's nothing I cay say to make it more comprehensible to you.

>>207189
>>205640
>I suggest they had invested far too much in a different outcome
Which is more feathering conjecture! How many people have you talked to who said that the reason they didn't like it was that they were so heavily invested in something else? How many? I'd reckon it's zero. But here you are impugning their integrity!
Is anyone doing that to the fans of Twilicorn? Maybe someone somewhere is, but I'll freely admit I can see the potential appeal of turning a character into an alicorn, even though I'd personally prefer it not to have happened. Heck, I can even see why some people like Twilight the best, even thought I'm not really fond of her.
You though, you're not even attempting to give the benefit of the doubt to anyone, or attempting to see things from any other angle.
>a generalization based on the type of thing that occurred
Really? Seen a lot of unicorns turn into alicorns have you? Just 'cause you think it's a reasonable conclusion doesn't mean it's anything other than 100% conjecture. We've seen an event like this one single time, and nothing in the show to that point has been rite-of-passage-y, and the target audience would be rather young for that kind of thing anyway.
And fine, technically me assuming that somepony else would have figured it out before Twilight, is technically conjecture, but at least it doesn't jump straight into assuming that somepony is a special snowflake who's found some profound insight that the immortal rulers of Equestria didn't even know about, insight which just somehow magically turned them into an alicorn for no explained reason.
>Is it possible that we don't know the first thing about them
We actually do know a reasonable amount about them. We know that for season one and most of two, things were constant with only two alicorns ever mentioned, both of whom we learn about at the same time, in a matched pair of sun and moon, who are, if not immortal, at least have a lifespan of over a thousand years, and they rule Equestria, and the alicorns are treated with great awe and respect by ponies (except for Pinkie, anyway, who isn't exactly nice to Luna that one time).
That's not a ton, but its more than we know about pretty much anypony other than the mane six themselves.
>are still in an unspecified grey area where attempting to draw conclusions about them is premature?
And yet you asserting that Twilgiht turning into an alicorn is just some laws-of-physics-y consequence of learning that cutie marks don't control your destiny *isn't* premature?
Come on now.
>She is a powerful enough magician to...
And Applejack is a very dedicated apple farmer who works hard year after year to ensure that her family has food and a home, even working herself to the point of exhaustion if needed.
And Rainbow Dash is a determined enough pony to keep pushing her limits constantly to get better, and through pure determination she can go so fast that it creates a rainbow explosion.
And the list goes on.
Nothing you mentioned is in any way indicative that one could become an alicorn, because there was never any indication that a pony could become an alicorn to begin with. It's just things that Twilight is good at. Well, guess what, lots of ponies are good at lots of things, and yet being good at something was never a reason that anypony else turned into an alicorn.
>I'm saying that the show has no obligation to proceed in accordance with the wishes of the fans
Nobody said that it did! Neither does the audience have any obligation to accept what is put forth if they don't like it!
>(because it defied their preconceptions of what should happen)
I literally railed against your "defied their preconceptions" rubbish in the exact paragraph you're quoting, and instead of even considering for a moment that it might be a matter of different tastes, you just plow right on with "they're just prejudiced" and ignore everything I said other than to change some minor irrelevant wording.
>How cursory and superficial was their involvement then?
In literally your previous paragraph you claim that you are *not* saying that the show is owed affection by the audience, and yet now you appear to be reiterating some garbage insinuating that anyone who doesn't like Twilicorn isn't a "true fan" or some similar nonsense. Either you are lying and do believe that the show is inherently owed something by the audience, or you are phenomenally bad at expressing yourself to such a degree that it boggles the mind.

>>205224
You know what pisses me off about Twilicorn?
They did the "People Swap Xs" thing.
The WHOLE POINT of this plot is so that when Pinkie and Rarity have their bodies swapped, THEY LEARN SOMETHING NEW ABOUT EACH OTHER, AND ABOUT BEING EACH OTHER, AND BECOME CLOSER FRIENDS WHILE GROWING AS PEOPLE, then they switch back but they stay friends.
Twilight swapping destinies? She just made five ponies suck at each other's jobs, then she swapped them back by taking them to their workplaces and saying "NO, YOU ARE THE ___ PONY AND YOU DO ___".
Then this, this is enough for her to "Evolve" and we get this scene where Celestia tells Twilight she's so proud of her and how far she's come.
Sure, this scene is great. It really wants you to feel proud for Twilight and how far she's come. But this musical episode is hardly "The gym battle that makes your Pokemon evolve".
Thing is, the writers had two choices here.
>Twilight is changed, she has new Princess duties as the Princess of Friendship! She only gets to be herself on weekends and must do heroic duties on weekdays!
>Twilight is not changed, Twilight wants to keep learning friendship with her friends so she'll be ready for proper royalty one day!
And what do the writers choose?
...They don't. Different writers decide her Princesshood means different things, but they all try to write her as a "More Mature" character, which means instead of the snarky good-hearted "Straight Man" we've come to know and love, she's written as this generic bland Vanilla Protagonist who isn't allowed to snark relatably any more.
It feels like the real Twilight is trying to act like the Twilight she thinks Equestria wants. But the writers don't know that's what they're doing. They're just coasting on this pony show's brand name recognition.

>>205589
>>If alicorns are not the Equestrian equivalent of gods, what are they?
>This question assumes that the viewer is entitled to a full and comprehensive explanation, which I find to be pretentious at best. Reasonably speaking, the worst that this does is possibly burst preconceptions about the world, which are the fault of the viewer and not the writers.
Uh... No.
It's the writer's job to say what the farmers do, if farmers are introduced. Same goes for the big important mutant royal ponies and what they do/are. After nine fucking seasons, it makes sense that we wouldn't get a one-off episode about the daily life of unimportant side characters like Snips and Snails, but you'd think we'd get SOMETHING about Celestia.
Besides one terrible episode where the two are suddenly bickering assholes who don't respect each other, Glimmer is shoehorned in as the one to try and fix it, and everything that could have stakes or tension happens in her dreams, where she can actually lose and get scared when Daysun Sun happens.
Drop the wannabe reddit "Teehee teh bronis are crying like eejits because da show doesn't line up wiv deir headcannins" tone, if you don't mind.
There's nothing 'clurserey' or superficial about having a real, genuine love for a show, and being able to recognize that its later seasons, made by different writers and different showrunners with different priorities, is inferior to the real deal.

>>207189
>>207190
Wew! This is some Nigel-level sperging! I'm not having that but here, have 'em.
>>207212
Speak of the devil, no you're actually wrong on this. This is precisely the pretension that I was referring to about claiming to comprehend what the writer's job is, and if you ever begin to grasp that, your writing may actually improve.

>>207257
I'd be interested in hearing what you believe a writer's job is. I've never seen anyone contest what it is before, just seen people disagree about how well they think the writer's doing it.

>>207257
Do you believe that when you repeatedly insist that the writer's job is to not worldbuild effectively, cleverly, or consistently, it makes the fact that these new writers worldbuild so poorly okay?
Please drop the "You're just sperging with badname-tier arguments, you have the pretension that I, le reddit intellectual, hath debunbeth" tone. It's gay.

>>207292
you are the last man on earth who has any right to complain about shitty worldbuilding.

>>207189
>>207190
I'll try this one more time. Rewatch the episode, and set aside your preconceptions
That the spell in question was powerful and revolutionary is attested to at length in the episode. First by the fact that Starswirl was unable to complete it. Secondly because it fundamentally changed the destiny of the mane 6, as well as their entire memories of history. Thirdly because Celestia herself said "Twilight has created new magic". There are other indicators, but that's three significant examples. Twilight's entire understanding of friendship is a result of her interactions with the Mane 6.
The spell its self may not have been intended as a rite of passage, but that was the end result of it, because it was a knowledge of friendship that allowed Twilight to set everything right. And because she had developed such a knowledge of friendship, and because she was clearly the most knowledgeable of ponykind with regard to magic, and because Friendship IS Magic, yes she was raised into an Alicorn. Twilight demonstrated that she was the foremost authority on what is liberally indicated in the series as the most powerful form of magic. One may not like how it transpired, and that's your prerogative. To say that it was somehow not effectively or 'properly' scripted and depicted is base arrogance.
Again I assert, the only ponies who even have a chance to know what is involved in becoming an alicorn would be the alicorns themselves, do you think they produce newsletters trying to itemize a list of things one needs to do, in case a pony wanted to become an alicorn?
>>207210
>>207212
You're gay. You're not in a position to dictate whether a plot device is properly used. Can't you make a single argument post without insisting that you're right while referencing Pokemon or YuGiOh or Sanic?
The writer's job is to tell a story. Some writers painstakingly explain everything. Ever read Stephen King?
Other writers leave everything vague, allowing the reader/viewer to draw their own conclusions, while advancing the plot. The viewer can then determine how accurate their conclusions were by how it fits with the storyline. There is no 'proper' way to write, its all a matter of how the audience takes it. But that also depends on how reasonable the audience is in their reception. Just months ago there was that kerfuffle about "Baby Its Cold Outside", were they giving the media a fair reception, or were they approaching it from a heavily biased preconception of what was 'right'?
>>207567
This guy gets it. This isn't a criticism against you Nigel, its a criticism against the mindset that you're any sort of authority. You may not like the new writers efforts to world-build, and they are not beyond criticism, but people in glass houses and all that.
>reddit
Once again, you love to assert that anyone with a different opinion is reddit, in spite of being an unironic redditor. Don't make me take your gibs away.

>>207625
>preconceptions
This is exactly the problem, you just keep assuming that nobody could possibly have an honest disagreement with you, and that they must just be prejudiced against what you believe. Stop doing that.
>Rewatch the episode
You know what, fine. I've got time.
Turns out I didn't remember the episode too well, but your claims about it make even *less* sense now, so congrats on that.
>Starswirl was unable to complete it.
Celestia specifically says this was because Starswirl didn't understand friendship like Twilight did. Which means that, at the very best, we have no idea whatsoever how "powerful and revolutionary" it was.
>fundamentally changed the destiny
Nope. Twilight claims it did, but she also explicitly says "they're not who they were *meant to be* anymore" (emphasis mine), and they are absolute shit at their supposed new destiny, and are still good at their actual talent, and when Fluttershy finds out she's good with animals she even claims that *that* is her destiny, not making ponies laugh, so it seems pretty clear that their destiny didn't change, just their memories and cutie marks.
>new magic
Surprisingly no. I was certain that the "complete" spell had at least restored the cutie marks, but they got those back when the did the things they were actually good at, and Twilight only figured out the "completed" spell after that. Which means that the spell either did *literally nothing*, or is just what teleported Twilight to the mystical starry void. Of course, since Celestia shows up mere moments after Twilight does, even if the "new magic" was teleporting ponies to the void plane, it can't possibly have been all that different from what Celestia herself already knew.
Secondly, while Celestia does claim, very briefly at the end during the coronation, that it's because Twilight created "new magic", during the actual floating void bit where the transformation happens Celestia only says "you've done something that's never been done before" and never actually says what that was. She also immediately drops that and goes on to talk about the lessons Twilight has learned and sing about how much she's grown as a pony. So it was, in fact, meant to be personal merit and not random magical cause-and-effect.
>she was clearly the most knowledgeable of ponykind with regard to magic
>Twilight demonstrated that she was the foremost authority
No. She is shown to be talented, but we aren't given any indicators as to the skill of other ponies who are also skilled in magic, or if there are any others at all.
Also, if anything, Celestia appears to have known a lot about the spell, since she knew that friendship was a key ingredient, and she likely sent it to Twilight for exactly that reason.
>To say that it was somehow not effectively or 'properly' scripted and depicted is base arrogance.
Says the person who dismisses all disagreement out of hand as being merely mean nasty prejudice. Somehow I'm not convinced.
Especially since your memory of the episode is even worse than mine was. For example, you claimed that Twilight's transformation was a surprise even to Celestia, when Celestia clearly states that it was Twilight's destiny to become an alicorn, and has obviously been waiting for the event. You also claimed it was some kind of blind cause-and-effect, when Celestia specifically sings about Twilight's growth as a pony, placing far, far more emphasis on that than the supposed "completed" spell that is never actually shown to do anything.

>>207670
>your memory of the episode is even worse than mine was
Hey look, you got something right! Though, aside from my previous post I hadn't rewatched the episode either. Having done so and from reading this post, I can tell you're just buttmad that you didn't get it. Have fun with that!
No, I'm not going to explain it or continue the argument, because you've already displayed an unwillingness to objectively look at the storyline, which if you did you would be in my shoes smiling about how it was a good episode and an natural and understandable development of the series. Don't worry, I'm sure you're not alone.

>>207670
It's a nice song!

>>207798
>Don't worry, I'm sure you're not alone.
Hehe, oh man. Better cover my ass if someone else agrees with him; "Ah! if you comment on me then you are just as stupid and debunked. Got'em!"

But seriously though, the other guy seems genuinely interested in what you have to say and is, by the standards of chans, quite polite. Why do you think he is unwilling to listen? If you don't have more time to discuss that would be another thing but now you claim the problem is on him.

It hit 100 episodes the show can be sold. G4 should be bought by Adult Swim, we can have My Little Pony: Adult Tails. Someone should draw a title graphic for this.

>>209987
Hahhah!
Oh, man it is like that time that one pope retired. It is unheard of!

>>209987
Heil Celestia.

>>209987
Don't cry because it's over.
Smile because it happened.

>>210072
No! Don't say that, Anon. It's not over!
It...it will never be over...
Right?...

Found the official premier of G5

>>210126
I have a friend that would appricate this. Nice meme.

>>210133
Right, because communists edited pictures to fit with their narrative. So what was Applejack to the Soviets?

>>207670
>A breathtaking video clip
I am moved.

>>210036
>>210133
>the left can't meme and when it does, steal the ones made by the right
We have a commie visitor.

>>210004
It is even worse than that. A Pope is only human, but Celestia is an incarnation of harmony, basically a goddess to the ponies. She is destined to be their eternal ruler.

There really seems to be zero reason for Celestia to abdicate if she seeks the well-being of her subjects. It will be interesting to see how the writers mess this up.

>>210157
How are those two leftist memes? One of them is literally Stalin murdering Applejack.

>>210172
Uh, maybe she has confidence in her star pupil's ability to maintain harmony through the magic of Friendship?

>>210173
The second one is typical /leftypol/ infiltration tactic dropping their poison like a random occurrence. In other words, showing its banner without to raise red flags.
The first one lacks of any grace and it is only appealing to a twisted commie mind. In other words, it is not self evident and the creator has a most likely feminine mind, to which such meme makes perfect sense.
By the ways, both memes have been posted by the same individual (you).

>>210176
I didn't realize it had that effect, but that wasn't my intention at all.
I compared Hasbro to Stalin in one post (still salty about what they're doing to AJ), and expressed disdain for what I saw in the trailer in the other.

>>209987
**She should know better than to think the ride ever ends.**
What the hell is she gonna do now?

>>210172
A thousand years is a fucking long time, and Celestia has been the sole monarch for that long, and a monarch for longer than that.
I doubt she'll be out of the picture fully when she does retire. She'll probably still be raising the sun, and Luna the moon, while in retirement, and be available for advice if Twigles ever needs it. Probably mingle with her former subjects, do some traveling she never really had the time to unless it was for official state business, never for leisure.
Too bad we'll never get to see any of it on screen

>>210004
>>210172
>>210205
Celestia never really taught Twi on how to run Equestria tbh, She trained her more as a weapon.
>>210005
Heil.
>>210072
Of course.
>>210126
Das funny.
>>210194
Her friends will back her up.

Overall, am glad that we're finally returning the focus to our six loyal mares.

>>205266
>>205271
the first ride was the dream child of a red haired feminist thot

>>205390
Based and sagepiled.