https://www.scribd.com/document/345554966/2017-04-18-Pomona#
>"This is not an argument rooted in Heather’s loss of “free speech” or academic freedom. She is a well-known public figure, her views are well documented. Rather, our praxis is focused on not allowing her anti-Black platform to be legitimized in front of an audience, which she does not have the right to. Engaging with her, a white supremacist fascist supporter of the police state, is a form of violence."
I'm pretty sure that all Americans have the right to assembly, as per the 1st amendment. She can stand on a soap box and talk to a wall (as long as she's invited or asks to be there), but you can't stop her from talking wherever she wants to talk.
>"Protest that doesn’t disrupt the status quo is benign and doesn’t function to overthrow systems of oppression, which is the ultimate goal."
Ultimate goal of whom? I am not your brutha, Holmes. Don't lump me in with your Black Panther wannabe movement. I'm not going to advocate your attacks against me just because I'm white, nor should I pity you just because you're black. I should celebrate your successes - not bend over and take losses.
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>>11633
If I was the dean or president of that school I would be shaking my head and if I was of the leftist persuasion I would be weeping as I had failed in my futile attempt to teach these kids logic.
>we invite you to respond to this email by Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 4:07pm
>4:07 pm
>then lots of demands…
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
If I was the dean or president of that school I would be shaking my head and if I was of the leftist persuasion I would be weeping as I had failed in my futile attempt to teach these kids logic.
>we invite you to respond to this email by Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 4:07pm
>4:07 pm
>then lots of demands…
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>11635
I would just respond with those two arguments. Maybe throw a tactical N-bomb in there.
Why should blacks fear the success of white men, and why should whites fear the success of black men?
In order for you to believe that either is bad, then you must believe you are at war. If we are at war…well, that brings up a lot of things.
Speaking of the original Bill of Rights though, I've always wondered why the 3rd Amendment doesn't apply to the NSA and their spying. I mean, that counts as stationing government agents in your house, right?
I would just respond with those two arguments. Maybe throw a tactical N-bomb in there.
Why should blacks fear the success of white men, and why should whites fear the success of black men?
In order for you to believe that either is bad, then you must believe you are at war. If we are at war…well, that brings up a lot of things.
Speaking of the original Bill of Rights though, I've always wondered why the 3rd Amendment doesn't apply to the NSA and their spying. I mean, that counts as stationing government agents in your house, right?
>>11636
That is a very good worded response and way more subtle and restrained than what I would have written.
>sorry for long answer, got myself into a rant
I don't think the NSA does covert surveillance of houses (place bugs inside house etc), I think they only send a "letter of suggestion" to the FBI/CIA, an they do it for them. When it comes to tapping phones I think they can do it because the telecompanies "allows" them into their systems. Or they can probably "force" some communication to be rerouted via relays in Canada or the servers that handles communication from outside the US. This way they can say they are only monitoring communication designated to go in and out of the US witch they can. Either way I guess they have some technical loophole they are using. Or there is some war that isn't technically over. I.e. the US is still at war with Britain or North-Korea or something like that because some document isn't signed. This way they can do what they want even thou there is no actual war happening. Or the "War on drugs/terrorism" actually constitutes as an deceleration of war.
That is a very good worded response and way more subtle and restrained than what I would have written.
>sorry for long answer, got myself into a rant
I don't think the NSA does covert surveillance of houses (place bugs inside house etc), I think they only send a "letter of suggestion" to the FBI/CIA, an they do it for them. When it comes to tapping phones I think they can do it because the telecompanies "allows" them into their systems. Or they can probably "force" some communication to be rerouted via relays in Canada or the servers that handles communication from outside the US. This way they can say they are only monitoring communication designated to go in and out of the US witch they can. Either way I guess they have some technical loophole they are using. Or there is some war that isn't technically over. I.e. the US is still at war with Britain or North-Korea or something like that because some document isn't signed. This way they can do what they want even thou there is no actual war happening. Or the "War on drugs/terrorism" actually constitutes as an deceleration of war.
>>11646
Those declarations of war still shouldn't allow you to station troops ins someone's home, though.
>No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in manner to be prescribed by law.
You could read that as "Soldiers will not be quartered in a private home while at peace, or at war - but shall be quartered as prescribed by law."
In other words, if there is ANY program or capability for the government to station eyes and ears in your home, it is illegal - in time of peace, or war.
Those declarations of war still shouldn't allow you to station troops ins someone's home, though.
>No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in manner to be prescribed by law.
You could read that as "Soldiers will not be quartered in a private home while at peace, or at war - but shall be quartered as prescribed by law."
In other words, if there is ANY program or capability for the government to station eyes and ears in your home, it is illegal - in time of peace, or war.
>>11648
Basically my rant was that there is likely some loophole they are using or there is some "unknown" or "seldom used" (publicly) law that makes what they do lawful. Or they don't give a shit and will just say "wops our bad" if caught and that will be that.
But if they can reroute traffic they want to listen to via relays/nodes/routers outside the US I assume they can legally listen to that information.
All the secret firmware they installed on Cisco system is probably within their "right" as a pre-emptive measure so if they ever need to use it they can, but now they "don't use it" so therefore they aren't doing anything "wrong".
Government agencies never actually do anything wrong. If worst come to pass the congress/senate/president (or whoever) can pardon or make a new law retroactive and thus noting illegal was done.
Basically my rant was that there is likely some loophole they are using or there is some "unknown" or "seldom used" (publicly) law that makes what they do lawful. Or they don't give a shit and will just say "wops our bad" if caught and that will be that.
But if they can reroute traffic they want to listen to via relays/nodes/routers outside the US I assume they can legally listen to that information.
All the secret firmware they installed on Cisco system is probably within their "right" as a pre-emptive measure so if they ever need to use it they can, but now they "don't use it" so therefore they aren't doing anything "wrong".
Government agencies never actually do anything wrong. If worst come to pass the congress/senate/president (or whoever) can pardon or make a new law retroactive and thus noting illegal was done.
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>>11651
True.
Which makes me ANGRY. Which makes me feel POWERLESS. Which makes me feel…
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True.
Which makes me ANGRY. Which makes me feel POWERLESS. Which makes me feel…
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>Thus, if “our mission is founded upon the discovery of truth,” how does free speech uphold that value?
I about fucking lost it there. It almost makes me pine for the days of McCarthyism when lefties had their lives destroyed if they spoke out a tad bit too loudly. If you can't respect your rights then you don't deserve them.
>>11648
The loophole in the amendment is:
>but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Which basically translates to the government needing a court order (a warrant) to conduct any kind of surveillance on a US citizen.
The problem with the system is that for anything national security related (which could be just about anything) all surveillance requests go through a secret court where the records never get released and there's probably little to no oversight. Most likely all of the FBI/CIA/NSA's requests get greenlighted without any real effort.
I about fucking lost it there. It almost makes me pine for the days of McCarthyism when lefties had their lives destroyed if they spoke out a tad bit too loudly. If you can't respect your rights then you don't deserve them.
>>11648
The loophole in the amendment is:
>but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Which basically translates to the government needing a court order (a warrant) to conduct any kind of surveillance on a US citizen.
The problem with the system is that for anything national security related (which could be just about anything) all surveillance requests go through a secret court where the records never get released and there's probably little to no oversight. Most likely all of the FBI/CIA/NSA's requests get greenlighted without any real effort.
>>11651
The NSA has gotten corrupt as fuck in the past few years ands it's reached the point where we really just need to dissolve the organization and destroy their archives of illegally collected data.
The NSA has gotten corrupt as fuck in the past few years ands it's reached the point where we really just need to dissolve the organization and destroy their archives of illegally collected data.
what is this? i havent read this thread
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