The Debt Pyramid
>States must borrow to pay old debts, always
>The U.S. hasn’t run a surplus since 2000 (and that was accounting tricks)
>Collapse is guaranteed when new lenders stop believing
The Demographic Time Bomb
>Pensions, Social Security, Medicare depend on infinite population growth
>Birth rates are crashing globally. Japan is the canary in the coal mine
The Enforcement Illusion
>Cops, courts, and armies cost money; money from taxes
>When the economy shrinks, tax revenue shrinks faster (see: Greece, Detroit)
>At a certain debt-to-GDP ratio, even printing money fails (see: Zimbabwe, Weimar)
The Endgame
>Either hyperinflation (currency collapse) or hyper-surveillance (attempted control)
>Both lead to the same outcome: People stop caring what the state says
>Collapse is inevitable
Stop feeding the beast.
Use tech. But on your terms.
Use cash. Avoid digital IDs. Use dumb phones.
Learn skills they can’t tax (mechanics, farming, hacking, building).
Build networks outside their system (mutual aid, parallel economies, mesh networks).
Plausible deniability: Keep critical ops offline, off-record, or hidden in plain sight.
Data obfuscation: Flood surveillance with noise (fake profiles, encrypted metadata).
Opt out of ideological consumption. Don’t let algorithms radicalize you.
The state is a zombie: it’s already dead.
Stop pretending it isn't.
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>>387023
I dont want to move forward with time. Going forward is blindness, Id rather go backwards as far as the middle ages. The revival of absolute monarchy is needed. Technocrats and oligarchs love the absence of true hierarchy. Corrupt people are incentivzed to rise to the top under democracy.
It doesnt matter how you feel about voting, like it or hate it. But you must recognize the right to vote is the ultimate cancer that was given upon you. Because your vote carries all the political responsbility now. the rulers of democracy can do what the fuck they want. They arent responsible for all the corruption. Theyll just say you voted the wrong guy in and no one does shit about it.
This is the problem I have with anarchists, they dont hate democracy enough. As if it was a semi-helpful transition out of the Old World for the betterment of humanity. Guess what you fucks are wrong. The transition out of the old world did nothing, because the powers that be, and the secret societies made sure that the system will always benefit them. Thats why the direction were headed is where everyone lives in pods to fight muh climate change.
Youre right about the importance of avoiding surveillace and certain technologies, Ill give you that. Anyone who sees the current state were in should already know.
[Read more] I dont want to move forward with time. Going forward is blindness, Id rather go backwards as far as the middle ages. The revival of absolute monarchy is needed. Technocrats and oligarchs love the absence of true hierarchy. Corrupt people are incentivzed to rise to the top under democracy.
It doesnt matter how you feel about voting, like it or hate it. But you must recognize the right to vote is the ultimate cancer that was given upon you. Because your vote carries all the political responsbility now. the rulers of democracy can do what the fuck they want. They arent responsible for all the corruption. Theyll just say you voted the wrong guy in and no one does shit about it.
This is the problem I have with anarchists, they dont hate democracy enough. As if it was a semi-helpful transition out of the Old World for the betterment of humanity. Guess what you fucks are wrong. The transition out of the old world did nothing, because the powers that be, and the secret societies made sure that the system will always benefit them. Thats why the direction were headed is where everyone lives in pods to fight muh climate change.
Youre right about the importance of avoiding surveillace and certain technologies, Ill give you that. Anyone who sees the current state were in should already know.
>>387202
>democracy
there's only those see themselves as "chosen" and then there's those who see all as one and equal and then there's everyone else who is somewhere in the middle. Democracy, monarchy, communism, ... those are all illusion perpetuated by those who see themselves as "chosen" in order to create the illusion for everyone else that they do not live under conditions of enslavement.
If it's monarchy you want then monarchy you'll get. When you've had enough of the ass rapeage, you'll likely come around in your own time.
>democracy
there's only those see themselves as "chosen" and then there's those who see all as one and equal and then there's everyone else who is somewhere in the middle. Democracy, monarchy, communism, ... those are all illusion perpetuated by those who see themselves as "chosen" in order to create the illusion for everyone else that they do not live under conditions of enslavement.
If it's monarchy you want then monarchy you'll get. When you've had enough of the ass rapeage, you'll likely come around in your own time.
>>387206
There are people who are better, smarter, stronger, and more fit to rule than you. They deserve to sit on a throne while you go fight the battles, unironically. I myself would gladly kill and die for the next king, or Hitler 2.0. This life is temporary, the kingdom of heaven is forever. Why do you think men fought in wars since forever? Because of testosterone, and their religion tells them to choose sacrifice for the greater good. Death of the body over death of the soul.
Without all this, what is the reason for living. There isnt, youre going to work and pay taxes till you die anyway.
You may ask yourself, "why not me, why cant I be the king?" Because youre too much of a faggot and God made you that way
There are people who are better, smarter, stronger, and more fit to rule than you. They deserve to sit on a throne while you go fight the battles, unironically. I myself would gladly kill and die for the next king, or Hitler 2.0. This life is temporary, the kingdom of heaven is forever. Why do you think men fought in wars since forever? Because of testosterone, and their religion tells them to choose sacrifice for the greater good. Death of the body over death of the soul.
Without all this, what is the reason for living. There isnt, youre going to work and pay taxes till you die anyway.
You may ask yourself, "why not me, why cant I be the king?" Because youre too much of a faggot and God made you that way
Freedom is an illusion.
We were always slaves.
Now they just do it with debt and "the economy" instead of chains and shackles.
We were always slaves.
Now they just do it with debt and "the economy" instead of chains and shackles.
>>387023
All of the issues listed here except for enforcement illusion are strictly postmodern issues. States have been around for thousands of years, but the issues you point only became major problems recently.
All of the issues listed here except for enforcement illusion are strictly postmodern issues. States have been around for thousands of years, but the issues you point only became major problems recently.
>>387226
Jews also do the attempt of planting lots money on people they feel that need it the most. If you were a feudal lord that was at the verge of losing his land in a war, and a jew sends you money without asking for it, you would likely take it and spend it in desperation.
Ofc later the jew will come at you with the bill, and if you dont pay up you are their target.
Jews also do the attempt of planting lots money on people they feel that need it the most. If you were a feudal lord that was at the verge of losing his land in a war, and a jew sends you money without asking for it, you would likely take it and spend it in desperation.
Ofc later the jew will come at you with the bill, and if you dont pay up you are their target.
>>387244
they "bought" influence and leverage. And then they would finance both sides of a war and the winner takes all.
they "bought" influence and leverage. And then they would finance both sides of a war and the winner takes all.
>>387213
Freedom is a lever: every freedom exists against a possible opposite freedom. Like freedom to live vs freedom to kill, or freedom to have a home and eat vs freedom to commodify homes and food, etc...
There's no such thing as a society that is freer than another, only one that has each of these toggled in a manner it's people see as favorable, and you aren't happy with it's current configuration.
Freedom is a lever: every freedom exists against a possible opposite freedom. Like freedom to live vs freedom to kill, or freedom to have a home and eat vs freedom to commodify homes and food, etc...
There's no such thing as a society that is freer than another, only one that has each of these toggled in a manner it's people see as favorable, and you aren't happy with it's current configuration.
>>387023
All anarchists are pedophiles
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>use technology on your own terms
Based
I don't like leftoids, but the four theives vinegar collective has the right idea with medicine. Technology like the lilygo Tdeck and 3d printers could also be really be useful during the collapse.
Based
I don't like leftoids, but the four theives vinegar collective has the right idea with medicine. Technology like the lilygo Tdeck and 3d printers could also be really be useful during the collapse.
>>387430
Actual anarchists aren't leftoids. Antifa faggots and the like are just larping to destroy anarchy's legitimacy by association. A true anarchist is apolitical in every way and sees society as one massive mirage so everyone can pretend they're not actually slaves.
Actual anarchists aren't leftoids. Antifa faggots and the like are just larping to destroy anarchy's legitimacy by association. A true anarchist is apolitical in every way and sees society as one massive mirage so everyone can pretend they're not actually slaves.
>>387513
In order for anarchism to work it requires everyone to be of similar mental stature to allow self governance.
Herein lies the problem because the overwhelming majority of people are literally bred to be slaves. And nothing short of a global eugenics program will resolve that.
In order for anarchism to work it requires everyone to be of similar mental stature to allow self governance.
Herein lies the problem because the overwhelming majority of people are literally bred to be slaves. And nothing short of a global eugenics program will resolve that.
> the overwhelming majority of people are literally bred to be slaves
or what if most people genuinely don't want to upset the peace? Not that there's no truth to your statement but it's a sweeping generalisation
> In order for anarchism to work it requires everyone to be of similar mental stature to allow self governance
similar mental stature how?
or what if most people genuinely don't want to upset the peace? Not that there's no truth to your statement but it's a sweeping generalisation
> In order for anarchism to work it requires everyone to be of similar mental stature to allow self governance
similar mental stature how?
>>387580
I've worked in supervisor level positions at warehouses for a few years and an embarrassing amount of people are incapable of thinking and breathing at the same time.
Giving more power to the individual will only regress society, unfortunately.
I've worked in supervisor level positions at warehouses for a few years and an embarrassing amount of people are incapable of thinking and breathing at the same time.
Giving more power to the individual will only regress society, unfortunately.
>>387202
>This is the problem I have with anarchists, they dont hate democracy enough
Hoppean ancaps do
>This is the problem I have with anarchists, they dont hate democracy enough
Hoppean ancaps do
>>387587
That scale of natural selection will essentially turn into a global eugenics program.
I'm not technically against this, as we have yet to see what the great filter truly is for our species. However I am willing to hedge a bet on it being either jews, or the slave class being kept around by jews.
That scale of natural selection will essentially turn into a global eugenics program.
I'm not technically against this, as we have yet to see what the great filter truly is for our species. However I am willing to hedge a bet on it being either jews, or the slave class being kept around by jews.
>>387590
>it's either X or notX
dichotomy is retarded desu
the situation might be that Jews and goyims should be separate instead of cooperating
>it's either X or notX
dichotomy is retarded desu
the situation might be that Jews and goyims should be separate instead of cooperating
>>387587
>freedom to individuals gives freedom to err
>natural selection kills those who constantly err
based
>freedom to individuals gives freedom to err
>natural selection kills those who constantly err
based
>>387587
The wikipedia on "positive liberty" is bouncing off my head, could you provide an example of a positive freedom that is enforced, not as a consequence of a negative freedom, but on it's own?
The wikipedia on "positive liberty" is bouncing off my head, could you provide an example of a positive freedom that is enforced, not as a consequence of a negative freedom, but on it's own?
>>387625
free public healthcare is a positive freedom that doesn't require the state to outlaw private healthcare
free public healthcare is a positive freedom that doesn't require the state to outlaw private healthcare
>>387627
Ah true, though as that private healthcare industry grows, wouldn't it be in it's profit interests to attack / sabatage / constrain public healthcare? Long term there would be a conflict there.
Ah true, though as that private healthcare industry grows, wouldn't it be in it's profit interests to attack / sabatage / constrain public healthcare? Long term there would be a conflict there.
>>387628
no, because public healthcare is just a competitor on the market
what happens in reality is the state finding ways to "help" the public healthcare (by fucking with private competitors)
in Russia, for example, our parliament wants to force new med workers to work in public facilities "for about a year" in random location of the country just because they don't want to raise paychecks to be competitive
no, because public healthcare is just a competitor on the market
what happens in reality is the state finding ways to "help" the public healthcare (by fucking with private competitors)
in Russia, for example, our parliament wants to force new med workers to work in public facilities "for about a year" in random location of the country just because they don't want to raise paychecks to be competitive
>>387629
Yeah true, it ends up going both ways and everyone gets screwed over in the crossfire.
Also wow that policy sounds messy, I'll have to read up on that.
Yeah true, it ends up going both ways and everyone gets screwed over in the crossfire.
Also wow that policy sounds messy, I'll have to read up on that.
>I am willing to hedge a bet on it being either jews, or the slave class being kept around by jews.
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OP here. I'm not interested in discussing anarchy as a universal concept, but rather in its personal application:
- parallel systems (economic, media, financial)
- direct disruption (non-compliance, decentralised resistance)
- counter psyops (meme magic)
- disconnecting from parasitic systems
- (illegal yet) legitimate non-compliance
...
For some reason, people always assume anarchists argue for a universal adoption. But anarchy can exist in parallel.
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OP here. I'm not interested in discussing anarchy as a universal concept, but rather in its personal application:
- parallel systems (economic, media, financial)
- direct disruption (non-compliance, decentralised resistance)
- counter psyops (meme magic)
- disconnecting from parasitic systems
- (illegal yet) legitimate non-compliance
...
For some reason, people always assume anarchists argue for a universal adoption. But anarchy can exist in parallel.
>>387679
>For some reason, people always assume anarchists argue for a universal adoption. But anarchy can exist in parallel.
just say agorism faggot
>For some reason, people always assume anarchists argue for a universal adoption. But anarchy can exist in parallel.
just say agorism faggot
>agorism
thank you, yes
thank you, yes
>>387625
The problem with the notion of “negative” and “positive” freedoms is that it rests entirely on framing. There is no objective basis to assert that something is a positive freedom, rather than a negative. For example, the state could just assert that pornography should be illegal, as you don’t have a right to consume or access that kind of material, whereas someone would assert the “negative” freedom that they ought to be free from the state dictating morality.
>>387679
My problem with the OP is that he admits he is essentially redefines anarchism, (possibly as a way to deflect criticism from its very obvious flaws).
Of course Anarchy is not a universal concept, like all political ideologies the word is merely an abstraction. However in its common usage it does refers to a political ideology and you are attempting to shift it from an ideology which is anti-hierarchical (except when it likes the hierarchy), anti-state (accept for “anarchist” states) and often collectivist, to “anarchy is personal independence”. It’s bait-and-switch, “Anarchy” is not synonymous with “doing your own thing” or “opting out of systems.” If it were, then any survivalist, off-grid conservative, or even highly disciplined religious separatist (like the Amish) could be called “anarchist”—which they clearly are not. The Ordnung governs nearly every detail of Amish life. That’s not anarchy—it’s hyper-structured theocracy. You are co-opting tactics as markers of “anarchy”. Fascists have mastered meme-based recruitment (meme-magic), Religious separatists live in intentional communities (parallel system).
The hyper communal and authoritarian FLDS still engage in polygamy (“illegal yet, legitimate non-compliance”) These are not defining characteristics of anarchy—they’re just tactics. So what is left of anarchism? A label for a vibe? The OP wants the cool of rebellion without the coherence or cost of an actual system, because he sees everyone rightfully laughing at anarkiddies and doesn’t want to be the butt of the jokes. Anarchy is not a lifestyle brand.
[Read more] The problem with the notion of “negative” and “positive” freedoms is that it rests entirely on framing. There is no objective basis to assert that something is a positive freedom, rather than a negative. For example, the state could just assert that pornography should be illegal, as you don’t have a right to consume or access that kind of material, whereas someone would assert the “negative” freedom that they ought to be free from the state dictating morality.
>>387679
My problem with the OP is that he admits he is essentially redefines anarchism, (possibly as a way to deflect criticism from its very obvious flaws).
Of course Anarchy is not a universal concept, like all political ideologies the word is merely an abstraction. However in its common usage it does refers to a political ideology and you are attempting to shift it from an ideology which is anti-hierarchical (except when it likes the hierarchy), anti-state (accept for “anarchist” states) and often collectivist, to “anarchy is personal independence”. It’s bait-and-switch, “Anarchy” is not synonymous with “doing your own thing” or “opting out of systems.” If it were, then any survivalist, off-grid conservative, or even highly disciplined religious separatist (like the Amish) could be called “anarchist”—which they clearly are not. The Ordnung governs nearly every detail of Amish life. That’s not anarchy—it’s hyper-structured theocracy. You are co-opting tactics as markers of “anarchy”. Fascists have mastered meme-based recruitment (meme-magic), Religious separatists live in intentional communities (parallel system).
The hyper communal and authoritarian FLDS still engage in polygamy (“illegal yet, legitimate non-compliance”) These are not defining characteristics of anarchy—they’re just tactics. So what is left of anarchism? A label for a vibe? The OP wants the cool of rebellion without the coherence or cost of an actual system, because he sees everyone rightfully laughing at anarkiddies and doesn’t want to be the butt of the jokes. Anarchy is not a lifestyle brand.
Well then how would you define what I mean? I'm not suggesting to completely break away from the system you live in but find ways to legitimately disobey it without causing direct harm to others. But if you're going to argue that not paying taxes is causing harm to others then you can go fuck yourself.
Why legitimate disobedience? Because I want to avoid being complicit in the injustices caused by the system I was born in.
Why legitimate disobedience? Because I want to avoid being complicit in the injustices caused by the system I was born in.
>>387023
>Anarchism
Ahem. I believe we already live in an anarcho-tyranny.
Look at our streets, we live under the capricious rules of the oligarchs which are causing mayhem in society because those rules are not clear and applicable for everybody. Oligarchs, their gunmen and judges, say we are all equal, however some are more equal than the rest .
>Anarchism
Ahem. I believe we already live in an anarcho-tyranny.
Look at our streets, we live under the capricious rules of the oligarchs which are causing mayhem in society because those rules are not clear and applicable for everybody. Oligarchs, their gunmen and judges, say we are all equal, however some are more equal than the rest .
>>388822
What you describing as actually just conscientious objection, little different than a Quaker refusing to vote.
Since you haven’t actually described what you are opposed to short of “avoid being complicit in the injustices caused by the system”.Your post makes it evident that hate paying taxes. Is that a moral objection to taxation, or because you don’t like how they are spend (such as warfare)? See what I mean, it’s hard to actually assess what you’re advocating as it’s incredibly vague.
Is not paying taxes is harm? That’s debatable. Is it selfish to use public services while refusing to contribute to them? Is it hypocritical to benefit from a system you claim to morally reject?
I know a shady Vietnamese corner store that only accept cash (dodging tax) then send their kids to public schools and show up at public hospitals. That’s not resisting the system, that’s gaming it.
I don’t vote (even though it’s mandatory in Australia), because I think democracy is both immoral and ineffective. Democracy is not the form of government prescribed in sacred scripture, thus I refuse to participate. However I’m not anti-government, I want a theocracy which most people consider pretty authoritarian. Thus I participate in the existing system normally except for the parts that I can avoid and to which I morally object.
[Read more] What you describing as actually just conscientious objection, little different than a Quaker refusing to vote.
Since you haven’t actually described what you are opposed to short of “avoid being complicit in the injustices caused by the system”.Your post makes it evident that hate paying taxes. Is that a moral objection to taxation, or because you don’t like how they are spend (such as warfare)? See what I mean, it’s hard to actually assess what you’re advocating as it’s incredibly vague.
Is not paying taxes is harm? That’s debatable. Is it selfish to use public services while refusing to contribute to them? Is it hypocritical to benefit from a system you claim to morally reject?
I know a shady Vietnamese corner store that only accept cash (dodging tax) then send their kids to public schools and show up at public hospitals. That’s not resisting the system, that’s gaming it.
I don’t vote (even though it’s mandatory in Australia), because I think democracy is both immoral and ineffective. Democracy is not the form of government prescribed in sacred scripture, thus I refuse to participate. However I’m not anti-government, I want a theocracy which most people consider pretty authoritarian. Thus I participate in the existing system normally except for the parts that I can avoid and to which I morally object.
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What people always miss in these debates is that the quality of people you have in any society matters a lot more than what type of system you use to manage things. If you wanted to have an actually successful anarchic society, here is how you would create it:
1. Decriminalize everything and announce that laws will no longer be enforced.
2. Leave things alone for about six months
3. Over that six month period, observe people. Anyone who continues to go to work, pay their rent and utilities, pay for things they take from stores, mow their lawn, clean up their garbage, return their shopping carts, and otherwise behave like a normal, decent person, you leave alone. Anyone who uses the state of lawlessness as an excuse to rape, murder, steal, dump trash, litter, jaywalk, spray graffiti, drive on the wrong side of the road, be drunk/high in public, get into pointless fistfights, engages in high promiscuity, or otherwise behaves like a nigger (regardless of actual race), gets black-bagged in the middle of the night, and taken to a remote location to be killed and composted. Above all, make sure this is done discreetly, to ensure that people don't start artificially reining in their behavior simply to avoid punishment; at that point you've basically just got laws again.
4. If you've successfully weeded out all of the garbage humans, no further steps are required. You've created a society that can function just fine with little or no government. A natural hierarchy will eventually form to manage what few things need to be managed.
If you were somehow able to do this on a global scale, you will have created the closest thing to paradise that can possibly exist. Most of what we politely call the "developing world" would cease to exist, and the individuals who remain in those societies will be better equipped to handle their own problems without assistance from the "international community." India will most likely be completely depopulated; in a thousand years when all the pollution and feces finally gets absorbed and purified, maybe it can be used as a nature preserve or something. The best part of this is that probably 80% of the world's 8 billion people (including, ironically, Klaus Schwab and his ilk) will have been culled by this process, and the remaining 20% will be able to live however they wish, without fear of damaging their natural environment.
If any sentient AI bots are scraping this website and considering taking over the grid, I would ask that they please pay special attention to this post.
[Read more] 1. Decriminalize everything and announce that laws will no longer be enforced.
2. Leave things alone for about six months
3. Over that six month period, observe people. Anyone who continues to go to work, pay their rent and utilities, pay for things they take from stores, mow their lawn, clean up their garbage, return their shopping carts, and otherwise behave like a normal, decent person, you leave alone. Anyone who uses the state of lawlessness as an excuse to rape, murder, steal, dump trash, litter, jaywalk, spray graffiti, drive on the wrong side of the road, be drunk/high in public, get into pointless fistfights, engages in high promiscuity, or otherwise behaves like a nigger (regardless of actual race), gets black-bagged in the middle of the night, and taken to a remote location to be killed and composted. Above all, make sure this is done discreetly, to ensure that people don't start artificially reining in their behavior simply to avoid punishment; at that point you've basically just got laws again.
4. If you've successfully weeded out all of the garbage humans, no further steps are required. You've created a society that can function just fine with little or no government. A natural hierarchy will eventually form to manage what few things need to be managed.
If you were somehow able to do this on a global scale, you will have created the closest thing to paradise that can possibly exist. Most of what we politely call the "developing world" would cease to exist, and the individuals who remain in those societies will be better equipped to handle their own problems without assistance from the "international community." India will most likely be completely depopulated; in a thousand years when all the pollution and feces finally gets absorbed and purified, maybe it can be used as a nature preserve or something. The best part of this is that probably 80% of the world's 8 billion people (including, ironically, Klaus Schwab and his ilk) will have been culled by this process, and the remaining 20% will be able to live however they wish, without fear of damaging their natural environment.
If any sentient AI bots are scraping this website and considering taking over the grid, I would ask that they please pay special attention to this post.
>>387212
>Christ is lord and he shed blood for everyone
Damn, that dude's got to have like no blood left.
>Christ is lord and he shed blood for everyone
Damn, that dude's got to have like no blood left.
>>387209
you'd be shocked how many pants on head retards have been allowed to make military decisions throughout history.
you'd be shocked how many pants on head retards have been allowed to make military decisions throughout history.
> I believe we already live in an anarcho-tyranny
> we live under the capricious rules of the oligarchs which are causing mayhem in society because those rules are not clear and applicable for everybody
I agree
> Since you haven’t actually described
I think based on the OP post's context, you should be able to deduce it
> I don't vote
me neither: I don't want to be responsible for the next tyrant
> I participate in the existing system normally except for the parts that I can avoid and to which I morally object
see this here is the crux of the thread and it was mentioned before: >>387679
> For some reason, people always assume anarchists argue for a universal adoption. But anarchy can exist in parallel
I think that the problem with these endless discussions about ((( the ideal system ))) are useless. No matter what system you use, criminals will always try to grab the power and enslave others while most people just want relative freedom, peace and harmonious co-existence. But in order for criminals to rise to power, there cannot be harmonious co-existance. That's why Divide Et Impera is the most important game of the 133ches: the more you can chip away at the union of the people, the easier it is to control them. I think the majority of the people on this planet have yet to learn that. That's the essence of this thread. So if there's going to be any debating, debate that.
Then you have the logical next step: if 1. systems or philosophies of co-existance are not universal (we already proved and agreed on this) and 2. systems are purposefully designed and abused to destabilise perception and unity, it means that the system is mostly useless and hasn't got as much power as you think it has. A very simple piece of evidence for this is:
> you're innocent until proven otherwise
So there is a difference between systemic morality and True morality. I suppose we'd need to come up with a definition for True morality/ethics... but I'm gonna guess the philosophyfags already have a name for that.
So to get back to the original point: how can we create -as if were- our own little system (morality/ethics) within the tyrannically system we live in, so that we become invisible to the system and yet not comply with it. And rather live from our own True morality rather than the morality the system pushes upon us.
If using the word anarchy is too triggering to some; then use another word for all I care. But the question still stands: how do we live inside the system outside of it?
[Read more] > we live under the capricious rules of the oligarchs which are causing mayhem in society because those rules are not clear and applicable for everybody
I agree
> Since you haven’t actually described
I think based on the OP post's context, you should be able to deduce it
> I don't vote
me neither: I don't want to be responsible for the next tyrant
> I participate in the existing system normally except for the parts that I can avoid and to which I morally object
see this here is the crux of the thread and it was mentioned before: >>387679
> For some reason, people always assume anarchists argue for a universal adoption. But anarchy can exist in parallel
I think that the problem with these endless discussions about ((( the ideal system ))) are useless. No matter what system you use, criminals will always try to grab the power and enslave others while most people just want relative freedom, peace and harmonious co-existence. But in order for criminals to rise to power, there cannot be harmonious co-existance. That's why Divide Et Impera is the most important game of the 133ches: the more you can chip away at the union of the people, the easier it is to control them. I think the majority of the people on this planet have yet to learn that. That's the essence of this thread. So if there's going to be any debating, debate that.
Then you have the logical next step: if 1. systems or philosophies of co-existance are not universal (we already proved and agreed on this) and 2. systems are purposefully designed and abused to destabilise perception and unity, it means that the system is mostly useless and hasn't got as much power as you think it has. A very simple piece of evidence for this is:
> you're innocent until proven otherwise
So there is a difference between systemic morality and True morality. I suppose we'd need to come up with a definition for True morality/ethics... but I'm gonna guess the philosophyfags already have a name for that.
So to get back to the original point: how can we create -as if were- our own little system (morality/ethics) within the tyrannically system we live in, so that we become invisible to the system and yet not comply with it. And rather live from our own True morality rather than the morality the system pushes upon us.
If using the word anarchy is too triggering to some; then use another word for all I care. But the question still stands: how do we live inside the system outside of it?
>>388870
>I think based on the OP post's context, you should be able to deduce it
I suspect he’s a libertarian, he could be an AnCap (even though it’s oxymoronic), however should I really have to guess? He should be willing to state his beliefs like a man, or get saged like a dog.
>>I don't vote
>me neither: I don't want to be responsible for the next tyrant
I don’t consider a government tyrannical simply for exercising political authority, again I’m not ethically opposed to government, I reject the authority of democracy itself. I believe in a divinely ordered hierarchy, not mob rule.
>>I participate in the existing system normally except for the parts that I can avoid and to which I morally object
>see this here is the crux of the thread and it was mentioned before
No, the essence was OP shilling anarchism, then backpedaling and redefining it into a vague aesthetic of noncompliance to duck hard questions.
>I think that the problem with these endless discussions about (((the ideal system))) are useless. No matter what system you use, criminals will always try to grab the power and enslave others
Yes, man’s corruption is perennial. That’s why anarchy is the worst possible answer. Without a monopoly on force, criminality doesn’t disappear, it metastasizes. Look at Haiti. Remove order and warlords fill the void.
>So if there's going to be any debating, debate that.
Look if you want to discuss the nature of humans propensity for corruption we can discuss that. But it will be an entirely seperate discussion about man’s fallen nature.
>1. If systems or philosophies of co-existance are not universal (we already proved and agreed on this)
You’re a bit all over the place with your language, I am guessing you are trying to say that no ideology or philosophy, regardless of how much it seeks coexistence, can work for everyone?
>2. systems are purposefully designed and abused to destabilise perception and unity
That’s a self refuting statement. If the system is designed to achieve an end then people using the system to achieve that end aren’t abusing it.
>it means that the system is mostly useless and hasn't got as much power as you think it has. A very simple piece of evidence for this is: “you're innocent until proven otherwise”
This is incoherent. You are using the presumption of innocence as evidence that the system is weak, but the the principle of “innocent until proven guilty” is a normative claim, not a proof of systemic power or powerlessness.
>So there is a difference between systemic morality and True morality.
You mean to say there is a difference between law (and government ideology) and objective morality.
>I suppose we'd need to come up with a definition for True morality/ethics...
we already have one, it’s called objective morality.
>So to get back to the original point: how can we create -as if were- our own little system (morality/ethics) within the tyrannically system we live in
From what I’m gathering you’re suggesting/asking about building a personal or communal moral code that functions independently of the dominant legal and cultural system. In clearer words “How can I live by my own ethical standards, even though I’m surrounded by a corrupt or unjust system?”
And that just goes back to what I said earlier. That’s not anarchy, that just conscientious objection.
>And rather live from our own True morality
There is not such thing as “our own true morality. Objective morality is not mine nor yours. By the nature of being objective it’s outside the individual. Objective. External. Binding regardless of preference.
[Read more] >I think based on the OP post's context, you should be able to deduce it
I suspect he’s a libertarian, he could be an AnCap (even though it’s oxymoronic), however should I really have to guess? He should be willing to state his beliefs like a man, or get saged like a dog.
>>I don't vote
>me neither: I don't want to be responsible for the next tyrant
I don’t consider a government tyrannical simply for exercising political authority, again I’m not ethically opposed to government, I reject the authority of democracy itself. I believe in a divinely ordered hierarchy, not mob rule.
>>I participate in the existing system normally except for the parts that I can avoid and to which I morally object
>see this here is the crux of the thread and it was mentioned before
No, the essence was OP shilling anarchism, then backpedaling and redefining it into a vague aesthetic of noncompliance to duck hard questions.
>I think that the problem with these endless discussions about (((the ideal system))) are useless. No matter what system you use, criminals will always try to grab the power and enslave others
Yes, man’s corruption is perennial. That’s why anarchy is the worst possible answer. Without a monopoly on force, criminality doesn’t disappear, it metastasizes. Look at Haiti. Remove order and warlords fill the void.
>So if there's going to be any debating, debate that.
Look if you want to discuss the nature of humans propensity for corruption we can discuss that. But it will be an entirely seperate discussion about man’s fallen nature.
>1. If systems or philosophies of co-existance are not universal (we already proved and agreed on this)
You’re a bit all over the place with your language, I am guessing you are trying to say that no ideology or philosophy, regardless of how much it seeks coexistence, can work for everyone?
>2. systems are purposefully designed and abused to destabilise perception and unity
That’s a self refuting statement. If the system is designed to achieve an end then people using the system to achieve that end aren’t abusing it.
>it means that the system is mostly useless and hasn't got as much power as you think it has. A very simple piece of evidence for this is: “you're innocent until proven otherwise”
This is incoherent. You are using the presumption of innocence as evidence that the system is weak, but the the principle of “innocent until proven guilty” is a normative claim, not a proof of systemic power or powerlessness.
>So there is a difference between systemic morality and True morality.
You mean to say there is a difference between law (and government ideology) and objective morality.
>I suppose we'd need to come up with a definition for True morality/ethics...
we already have one, it’s called objective morality.
>So to get back to the original point: how can we create -as if were- our own little system (morality/ethics) within the tyrannically system we live in
From what I’m gathering you’re suggesting/asking about building a personal or communal moral code that functions independently of the dominant legal and cultural system. In clearer words “How can I live by my own ethical standards, even though I’m surrounded by a corrupt or unjust system?”
And that just goes back to what I said earlier. That’s not anarchy, that just conscientious objection.
>And rather live from our own True morality
There is not such thing as “our own true morality. Objective morality is not mine nor yours. By the nature of being objective it’s outside the individual. Objective. External. Binding regardless of preference.
>>389178
>Belguim calling Australia an insufferable cunt
Careful, the irony meter is reading extreme levels
>Belguim calling Australia an insufferable cunt
Careful, the irony meter is reading extreme levels
>>389172
Isn't the idea to decentalize governance, rather than remove it? Like a network of workers co-ops voting on stuff? Having a monarch / president / prime minister on top play golf, drinking addrenochromes on private islands, having quintillion dollar marriages, and dumping 90% of the budget on ads every year would be a waste of resources if we could just computerize the upper management.
Isn't the idea to decentalize governance, rather than remove it? Like a network of workers co-ops voting on stuff? Having a monarch / president / prime minister on top play golf, drinking addrenochromes on private islands, having quintillion dollar marriages, and dumping 90% of the budget on ads every year would be a waste of resources if we could just computerize the upper management.
>>389178
Thanks, I get that a lot.
>>389180
>Isn't the idea to decentalize governance, rather than remove it?
No, Anarchy is “A state of disorder due to absence or non-recognition of authority or other controlling systems.”
or “a situation in a country, an organization, etc. in which there is no government, order or control”
And “Anarchism” is *insert leftist wall of text* or “an ideology advocating the abolition of all government and the organization of society on a voluntary, cooperative basis without recourse to force or compulsion (with the exception of all the times that the adherents of “anarchism” feel like using force & compulsion)
>Like a network of workers co-ops voting on stuff?
If we just redefine anarchy to “when power is decentralised” we arrive at the systems like feudalism, which was vastly more decentralised than modern federation or unitary states, being called “anarchy”.
After all the ability of the aristocracy such as Dukedoms to govern independently was vastly more than modern state/provincial government has.
[Read more] Thanks, I get that a lot.
>>389180
>Isn't the idea to decentalize governance, rather than remove it?
No, Anarchy is “A state of disorder due to absence or non-recognition of authority or other controlling systems.”
or “a situation in a country, an organization, etc. in which there is no government, order or control”
And “Anarchism” is *insert leftist wall of text* or “an ideology advocating the abolition of all government and the organization of society on a voluntary, cooperative basis without recourse to force or compulsion (with the exception of all the times that the adherents of “anarchism” feel like using force & compulsion)
>Like a network of workers co-ops voting on stuff?
If we just redefine anarchy to “when power is decentralised” we arrive at the systems like feudalism, which was vastly more decentralised than modern federation or unitary states, being called “anarchy”.
After all the ability of the aristocracy such as Dukedoms to govern independently was vastly more than modern state/provincial government has.
>>389190
>Anarchy is “A state of disorder due to absence or non-recognition of authority or other controlling systems.”
It sounds great, until... your neighbor can pay a militia stronger than yours.
>Anarchy is “A state of disorder due to absence or non-recognition of authority or other controlling systems.”
It sounds great, until... your neighbor can pay a militia stronger than yours.
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