I would like to discuss this topic in a proper manner because over on 4chinz the related thread is simply dogshit.
I'll start with a question from the get go.
What are the rules for manifestation? As in what can be manifested by an individual?
As there are certain things that are simply not possible to manifest therefore there is a rule set. One example would be bringing back the dead.
After reading and watching videos it looks like there is a field of possible objectives that are easy to manifest due to one's immediate circumstances/environment while more complex objectives take longer to achieve or outright impossible due to unknown reason(s).
Is there a way to determine this somehow? To find out the complexity of the wish:is it just a simple deduction of how many actions are needed to reach certain stages that lead to the desired outcome,something else?
I asked myself whether it's valid making such distinction between outcomes regarding their "complexity" or not but even in the Gateway Experience document under "Patterning", they make such a distinction.
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>>174919
The long and skinny is that you're filling paperwork of what you want to have happen.
There's a problem, everyone is already compromised to some degree.
We can't fill out paperwork perfectly.
In doing so other lesser beings also file paperwork in an attempt to advance their schemes.
Erecting what some might call an impossible to besiege city of schemes and botched paperwork.
>What do?
Jesus solved this issue and many others.
The Holy Spirit corrects someone who He is living in. While also making continuous prayer perfectly.
The perfect paperwork.
Here's the thing, many aren't asking, and they aren't letting The Holy Ghost be who He is or any actions or any permissions.
LOA sends a fragment of paperwork with all sorts of weird flaws and nonsense and possibly intentional or not lies.
The Holy Ghost is God.
LOA can't replace God. All sorts of beings may fulfill the Earthly request and or by proxy.
It can't save anyone in a meaningful way.
It's like the unjust steward trying to seek a home elsewhere by illicit dealings.
The long and skinny is that you're filling paperwork of what you want to have happen.
There's a problem, everyone is already compromised to some degree.
We can't fill out paperwork perfectly.
In doing so other lesser beings also file paperwork in an attempt to advance their schemes.
Erecting what some might call an impossible to besiege city of schemes and botched paperwork.
>What do?
Jesus solved this issue and many others.
The Holy Spirit corrects someone who He is living in. While also making continuous prayer perfectly.
The perfect paperwork.
Here's the thing, many aren't asking, and they aren't letting The Holy Ghost be who He is or any actions or any permissions.
LOA sends a fragment of paperwork with all sorts of weird flaws and nonsense and possibly intentional or not lies.
The Holy Ghost is God.
LOA can't replace God. All sorts of beings may fulfill the Earthly request and or by proxy.
It can't save anyone in a meaningful way.
It's like the unjust steward trying to seek a home elsewhere by illicit dealings.
>>174922
pretty based, ngl.
There are alot of details that go into manifestation, but comparing it to permit, legal, administrative, and legislative action is particularly apt.
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And of course, the quintessential question in all of metaphysics/manifestation!
Why?
What gives you the right to affect change upon the cosmos? What grand 'need' is satisted by the otherwise interference of your will on all of creation? In what way are not only you, but the grand simple minority of life across time, made to benefit by what you: this pitiful and wretched sack of flesh deigns to assume is 'better' than what is otherwise inevitable?
Beyyond that, it depends on what triggers you; what gets your fluids going no homo/lewd? Are you a song and dance (ritual) user? Are you rhythm and blues (meditation/trance)? Maybe you're improv/jazz (chaos/spontaneous)?
Blah blah books, but theres one time a master told his student to learn to focus the will that when he found himself dreaming that jhe would turn his palms up and look at his hands, still in the dream
pretty based, ngl.
There are alot of details that go into manifestation, but comparing it to permit, legal, administrative, and legislative action is particularly apt.
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And of course, the quintessential question in all of metaphysics/manifestation!
Why?
What gives you the right to affect change upon the cosmos? What grand 'need' is satisted by the otherwise interference of your will on all of creation? In what way are not only you, but the grand simple minority of life across time, made to benefit by what you: this pitiful and wretched sack of flesh deigns to assume is 'better' than what is otherwise inevitable?
Beyyond that, it depends on what triggers you; what gets your fluids going no homo/lewd? Are you a song and dance (ritual) user? Are you rhythm and blues (meditation/trance)? Maybe you're improv/jazz (chaos/spontaneous)?
Blah blah books, but theres one time a master told his student to learn to focus the will that when he found himself dreaming that jhe would turn his palms up and look at his hands, still in the dream
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>>174923
>Right to affect change?
Do you not know God? It is He who moves, allows and lives.
It is Him.
LOA doesn't give Him what He deserves in the way He said He desires.
He has given freedom to choose.
He has multitudes of amazing things to shower you with in LOA you're filled a lifeless paperwork to pull out a tiny bit of grime and vomit.
>>174919
I will say God can make use of the slime and wretched and minuscule in ways that would boggle the imagination.
So should a person do that stuff so God has more material? No, because He had something much better planned.
And it's better for you, forever and ever.
>>174924
>this pitiful and wretched sack of flesh deigns to assume is 'better' than what is otherwise inevitable?
We are all intended to be a blessing to everyone and everything that we reach, and with God that reach extends to the fullness He desires.
LOA doesn't put God first, so what is doled out doesn't have that positive permanence He wanted to give.
So where's all the stuff?
Where's your stuff?
The Adversary basically stole it, and is hoarding it away from everyone.
God put desires into people so He could spoil us all per se. He comes first in everything and in all decisions and all positions and all ownership, and He wants to fill us up with all the good things and interactions He has planned.
LOA is the boring Monkeys Palm, you get what you wanted maybe a bit of what you need, but it's missing what ought to be.
>details that go into manifestation
That's all filler space for the different colored crayons, the corruption means pulling at dregs to gather enough anything to try filling out a legal document to withdraw something. Proper writing is hard and is to be delegated.
With the Fall the way He designed everything is twisted, with the fallen angels trying to usurp God's place. When for them is to be paper pushers and shit shovelers and our subordinates all under God.
>grand 'need'
Seeking the fulfillment of what God put in a person is reason enough. It's supposed to be found by seeking and being with God always.
>otherwise inevitable?
Should I say to a starving man trying to gather food, "Begone, do you not know you will die anyway? Cease trying to live by submitting worthless requests, it's filling the inbox too high."
No, that's crazy.
I will say come to my Father He has been crying out that you might hear Him. He has food and water.
>will on all of creation
That's childish. It's what children do.
And that's who the kingdom of Heaven is for.
Prayer is just asking in whatever language or means.
LOA is building on shifting sands, at somepoint a collapse occurs.
>Why doesn't extremely large undertakings occur?
But they do.
LOA has several failure points, it can't stand up to metaphysical disasters.
We're seeing a collapse happening right now.
Bigger and more insane and out of box impossible the less likely it'll be interfered with.
Prayer works better, it's a conversation and can be done in more mediums than anybody can think of.
So how big should prayers be?
Most 'magic' when practically beyond the purview of the enemy goes more or less alright. Bigger, longer, weirder is the name of the game.
Prayer is better because God's continually invited to join in. You're having a conversation, He's actually talking with you.
Again, bigger, weirder, and letting God do His thing means some amazing suprising awe inspiring happenings happen.
But also He has better things in mind.
So asking for the high position in whatever job setting or billions of dollars might not be what He had in mind because He has something better for you.
He's thinking of forever and ever and ever, building you up. And He knows all our needs and wants and wants to satisfy us. Not the parasite of sin, but who He made and loves.
When I was hungering for God, but knew not that is who I needed to look towards.
I went big, and weird, and if you look at it funny long term and strange to have stuff occur.
By the metrics of magic it's far more successful than I expected and better than what established evil practitioners could do.
That's nothing compared to Him.
Do you gain anything of substance by having a background in magic? No.
All anyone needs is Him. The relationship with God and He'll build you up.
Pray bigger, and stranger and weirder and more impossible because He can.
Everything is given to us from Him.
It's by His grace.
The Enemy flees at any sign of resistance, claiming the inheritance that serpent was standing on.
So what would be a tactically advantageous inheritance to deprive the Enemy of?
The Enemy uses Earthly things so what if it was reclaimed.
What if it was reclaimed also on the behalf of another?
Since God can have a man can do it for one more, then about about two or three or groups or large swaths of people.
So about to turn the 0.000001% of world wealth owners to new management.
How?
Prayer, and seeking God cause He's worth far more than anything the enemy could ever offer.
Hello new managment what will you do with the mega riches incoming?
Granted it's split over a far larger distribution of people than it was before.
I would recommend getting to know God better.
We're removing idols and so called sacred cows. The alternative is God does it by Himself.
How will the idols and cows be dashed?
God's setting up the opportunity that can't be missed.
Here's a question what happens when large swaths of the world has to file for insurance at the same time. I don't mean the average joe, I mean corporations and other entity groups. What happens when THE bubble bursts world wide?
God delivers.
The obvious solution the enemy will employ afterwards is communism to reswindle the inheritance from those not in God or in truth.
Stand by God.
One of the so called insane and impossible happenings draws near.
>Right to affect change?
Do you not know God? It is He who moves, allows and lives.
It is Him.
LOA doesn't give Him what He deserves in the way He said He desires.
He has given freedom to choose.
He has multitudes of amazing things to shower you with in LOA you're filled a lifeless paperwork to pull out a tiny bit of grime and vomit.
>>174919
I will say God can make use of the slime and wretched and minuscule in ways that would boggle the imagination.
So should a person do that stuff so God has more material? No, because He had something much better planned.
And it's better for you, forever and ever.
>>174924
>this pitiful and wretched sack of flesh deigns to assume is 'better' than what is otherwise inevitable?
We are all intended to be a blessing to everyone and everything that we reach, and with God that reach extends to the fullness He desires.
LOA doesn't put God first, so what is doled out doesn't have that positive permanence He wanted to give.
So where's all the stuff?
Where's your stuff?
The Adversary basically stole it, and is hoarding it away from everyone.
God put desires into people so He could spoil us all per se. He comes first in everything and in all decisions and all positions and all ownership, and He wants to fill us up with all the good things and interactions He has planned.
LOA is the boring Monkeys Palm, you get what you wanted maybe a bit of what you need, but it's missing what ought to be.
>details that go into manifestation
That's all filler space for the different colored crayons, the corruption means pulling at dregs to gather enough anything to try filling out a legal document to withdraw something. Proper writing is hard and is to be delegated.
With the Fall the way He designed everything is twisted, with the fallen angels trying to usurp God's place. When for them is to be paper pushers and shit shovelers and our subordinates all under God.
>grand 'need'
Seeking the fulfillment of what God put in a person is reason enough. It's supposed to be found by seeking and being with God always.
>otherwise inevitable?
Should I say to a starving man trying to gather food, "Begone, do you not know you will die anyway? Cease trying to live by submitting worthless requests, it's filling the inbox too high."
No, that's crazy.
I will say come to my Father He has been crying out that you might hear Him. He has food and water.
>will on all of creation
That's childish. It's what children do.
And that's who the kingdom of Heaven is for.
Prayer is just asking in whatever language or means.
LOA is building on shifting sands, at somepoint a collapse occurs.
>Why doesn't extremely large undertakings occur?
But they do.
LOA has several failure points, it can't stand up to metaphysical disasters.
We're seeing a collapse happening right now.
Bigger and more insane and out of box impossible the less likely it'll be interfered with.
Prayer works better, it's a conversation and can be done in more mediums than anybody can think of.
So how big should prayers be?
Most 'magic' when practically beyond the purview of the enemy goes more or less alright. Bigger, longer, weirder is the name of the game.
Prayer is better because God's continually invited to join in. You're having a conversation, He's actually talking with you.
Again, bigger, weirder, and letting God do His thing means some amazing suprising awe inspiring happenings happen.
But also He has better things in mind.
So asking for the high position in whatever job setting or billions of dollars might not be what He had in mind because He has something better for you.
He's thinking of forever and ever and ever, building you up. And He knows all our needs and wants and wants to satisfy us. Not the parasite of sin, but who He made and loves.
When I was hungering for God, but knew not that is who I needed to look towards.
I went big, and weird, and if you look at it funny long term and strange to have stuff occur.
By the metrics of magic it's far more successful than I expected and better than what established evil practitioners could do.
That's nothing compared to Him.
Do you gain anything of substance by having a background in magic? No.
All anyone needs is Him. The relationship with God and He'll build you up.
Pray bigger, and stranger and weirder and more impossible because He can.
Everything is given to us from Him.
It's by His grace.
The Enemy flees at any sign of resistance, claiming the inheritance that serpent was standing on.
So what would be a tactically advantageous inheritance to deprive the Enemy of?
The Enemy uses Earthly things so what if it was reclaimed.
What if it was reclaimed also on the behalf of another?
Since God can have a man can do it for one more, then about about two or three or groups or large swaths of people.
So about to turn the 0.000001% of world wealth owners to new management.
How?
Prayer, and seeking God cause He's worth far more than anything the enemy could ever offer.
Hello new managment what will you do with the mega riches incoming?
Granted it's split over a far larger distribution of people than it was before.
I would recommend getting to know God better.
We're removing idols and so called sacred cows. The alternative is God does it by Himself.
How will the idols and cows be dashed?
God's setting up the opportunity that can't be missed.
Here's a question what happens when large swaths of the world has to file for insurance at the same time. I don't mean the average joe, I mean corporations and other entity groups. What happens when THE bubble bursts world wide?
God delivers.
The obvious solution the enemy will employ afterwards is communism to reswindle the inheritance from those not in God or in truth.
Stand by God.
One of the so called insane and impossible happenings draws near.
>>174926
>Do you not know God?
Im sure you'll tell me I don't
>we are intended
Did you get that from the horse's mouth?
>Do you not know God?
Im sure you'll tell me I don't
>we are intended
Did you get that from the horse's mouth?
>>174926
Something to consider: a person can be knowledgeable about the practice of something such as the principles behind LOA without being a practitioner or adherent. You appear to draw all manner of assumptions based on a biased and ignorant interpretation of things minimally and/or loosely researched. For one, you appear to conflate the use of LOA with material/resource, status, or other form of gain.
Thought exercise: A person uses LOA to pursue their own betterment such that they become a more formidible/competent person to the benefit of themselves and those around them; the definition of emergence. Would I be correct in the assumption that you feel that unless that person is directly/specifically pursuing God in the manner/practice you agree with and appeal to, they are somehow not pursuing God?
Something to consider: a person can be knowledgeable about the practice of something such as the principles behind LOA without being a practitioner or adherent. You appear to draw all manner of assumptions based on a biased and ignorant interpretation of things minimally and/or loosely researched. For one, you appear to conflate the use of LOA with material/resource, status, or other form of gain.
Thought exercise: A person uses LOA to pursue their own betterment such that they become a more formidible/competent person to the benefit of themselves and those around them; the definition of emergence. Would I be correct in the assumption that you feel that unless that person is directly/specifically pursuing God in the manner/practice you agree with and appeal to, they are somehow not pursuing God?
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>>174927
>I'm sure you'll tell me I don't
Well He for sure knows you. You both do talk.
>horse's mouth
Yes.
It's listed as some of the stuff God promised.
>>174928
Yes LOA and other magics can be used to change yourself to an extent.
I used to do that, there are results.
Just like using it for material stuff it tries to ignore His everlasting touch.
>somehow not pursuing God?
Going through a window doesn't make anyone an heir, it's being a thief, I know from experience.
The only way is through Jesus.
I will say He opens far more and far better ways to get in touch.
This is always between our Father, Jesus, The Holy Ghost and (You).
He'll establish in all ways He desires. He'll increase in all manner of areas erecting permanent positive change.
Could anybody do LOA and be better off in an Earthly sense physically, mentally, materially? Sure, but God has better things for us all.
I recommend asking God about it.
>I'm sure you'll tell me I don't
Well He for sure knows you. You both do talk.
>horse's mouth
Yes.
It's listed as some of the stuff God promised.
>>174928
Yes LOA and other magics can be used to change yourself to an extent.
I used to do that, there are results.
Just like using it for material stuff it tries to ignore His everlasting touch.
>somehow not pursuing God?
Going through a window doesn't make anyone an heir, it's being a thief, I know from experience.
The only way is through Jesus.
I will say He opens far more and far better ways to get in touch.
This is always between our Father, Jesus, The Holy Ghost and (You).
He'll establish in all ways He desires. He'll increase in all manner of areas erecting permanent positive change.
Could anybody do LOA and be better off in an Earthly sense physically, mentally, materially? Sure, but God has better things for us all.
I recommend asking God about it.
>>174929
>Abrahamic dogmatism
Spare me. Every person is an individual part of the infinite manifestation of a singular metaphysical entity. I celebrate the validity and essential necessity of your opinion/position, but your conclusions exist on a very different layer of perception.
>Abrahamic dogmatism
Spare me. Every person is an individual part of the infinite manifestation of a singular metaphysical entity. I celebrate the validity and essential necessity of your opinion/position, but your conclusions exist on a very different layer of perception.
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"Have faith in God.
For verily I say unto you, that whosoever shall say unto this mountain, be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
Therefore I say unto you, what things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses."
>>174930
If you were to look at the /vx/ magic thread you'd know that was where I used to be at.
An evil tree is drying up.
I see Him in my life, because He gave me eyes in which to see and a new tender heart.
In Him is perfect love, and perfect love removes all fear.
I ask and I recieve and I thank because He already knew from before the very beginning. He helps me ask what I ought to ask, and helps me recieve what He wanted me to recieve.
Large part of the problem isn't just in asking or doing paperwork, it's recieving.
How do you open up what is delivered?
Sometimes a person includes shipping instructions, but at times it won't be delivered that way.
Other times it's exactly as filled out in the paper work and it'll hurt you.
So skip all the middle managers all the esoteric paperwork.
He has the cure ready.
For verily I say unto you, that whosoever shall say unto this mountain, be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
Therefore I say unto you, what things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses."
>>174930
If you were to look at the /vx/ magic thread you'd know that was where I used to be at.
An evil tree is drying up.
I see Him in my life, because He gave me eyes in which to see and a new tender heart.
In Him is perfect love, and perfect love removes all fear.
I ask and I recieve and I thank because He already knew from before the very beginning. He helps me ask what I ought to ask, and helps me recieve what He wanted me to recieve.
Large part of the problem isn't just in asking or doing paperwork, it's recieving.
How do you open up what is delivered?
Sometimes a person includes shipping instructions, but at times it won't be delivered that way.
Other times it's exactly as filled out in the paper work and it'll hurt you.
So skip all the middle managers all the esoteric paperwork.
He has the cure ready.
>>174931
Im pleased you have found a,... what might you call it,... progressive leap(?) in your experience.
Getting back to the LOA
>prayer
Is a way of utilizing the LOA! It doesnt appear so, as one isn't specifically asking for a specific outcome*, they ARE in that they are formulating a desire for the (context) to be resolved in some manner.
(* - theres technically no such thing as exhaustive specificity, in that the nuance of context that propels inevitability is its self infinite)
The person praying doesnt know the specific circumstances necessary to resolve the concern, and so thy appeal to the principle as it were. This is directly comparable to the thought-experiment example posted earlier, where the person - not knowing what will lead to emergence but seeking it - deliberately attracts the circumstances that will bring it about. In both cases, what is attracted comes from God (or am I correct that you wou
d disagree to the latter being so?).
Im pleased you have found a,... what might you call it,... progressive leap(?) in your experience.
Getting back to the LOA
>prayer
Is a way of utilizing the LOA! It doesnt appear so, as one isn't specifically asking for a specific outcome*, they ARE in that they are formulating a desire for the (context) to be resolved in some manner.
(* - theres technically no such thing as exhaustive specificity, in that the nuance of context that propels inevitability is its self infinite)
The person praying doesnt know the specific circumstances necessary to resolve the concern, and so thy appeal to the principle as it were. This is directly comparable to the thought-experiment example posted earlier, where the person - not knowing what will lead to emergence but seeking it - deliberately attracts the circumstances that will bring it about. In both cases, what is attracted comes from God (or am I correct that you wou
d disagree to the latter being so?).
Read through the comments and i'm not really sure i can or even want to reply to them.
From my viewpoint: We are all given the chance to do whatever we want as long as it leads to a positive outcome in one way or another regarding to ourselves and/or to others.
Also i think using the principles of LOA can be achieved via different methods, prayer is one of them i would say.
And with that i'll go back to my original comment about that there are certain things that cannot be achieved therefore there are only finite amount of possibilities one can wish for. How to figure out whether what i wish for is in this realm of possibilities or not?
From my viewpoint: We are all given the chance to do whatever we want as long as it leads to a positive outcome in one way or another regarding to ourselves and/or to others.
Also i think using the principles of LOA can be achieved via different methods, prayer is one of them i would say.
And with that i'll go back to my original comment about that there are certain things that cannot be achieved therefore there are only finite amount of possibilities one can wish for. How to figure out whether what i wish for is in this realm of possibilities or not?
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>>174952
>And with that i'll go back to my original comment about that there are certain things that cannot be achieved therefore there are only finite amount of possibilities one can wish for.
>How to figure out whether what i wish for is in this realm of possibilities or not?
Part of it is a bootstrap problem, knowledge, wisdom, skill, experience and success.
The other part is which tool kit you use.
LOA is stripped Planetary Magic.
You send the message up to the theoretical pinnacle for the stuff to be made till it's fully manufactured, letting the various stages fill out without your direct input.
Some of the places for some requests are efficient.
Some places get into deadlocks and development hell and mismanaged fuckery.
Most of the issue is a logistics chain problem.
However by just sending the mssage (LOA) one can aquire some wisdom, knowledge, skills and experiences.
What I mean is you can do A B testing to probe what is easily doable in which timeframe without touching or changing or getting into anything else.
One of the big problems is needed transit time, part of the solution is to send the message to the past of sorts.
So we send the message outside of time and so the whatever is completed and sent at a specific chronological date.
Each person's logistics route is more or less similar, the thing is what kinds of blockages and interruptions there are.
Which brings me to the tool of choice analogy.
LOA is to an email
Planetary Magic is to a computer
Chaos magic is to a programmer
Being one with Jesus is akin to being a family business multi-megacorporations soon to be owner with everything being top of the line and subject with clear hard guidelines and I'm understateing the riches and personnel at hand.
Prayer is a fancy way of saying you're having a chat with the family and friends.
<I have a clear preference.
Before I have made it an important point to not be seen/noticed by any hostile powers, it's important. The time and energy wasted trying to deal with whatever fuckery is annoying.
It greases the wheels and makes stuff churn out smooth, making it far less dangerous.
Now it's reversed where it's technically always dangerous all the time, but all hostile forces run the fuck away as fast as possible, and everything is more smooth, safer, faster, secure and meaningful.
>And with that i'll go back to my original comment about that there are certain things that cannot be achieved therefore there are only finite amount of possibilities one can wish for.
>How to figure out whether what i wish for is in this realm of possibilities or not?
Part of it is a bootstrap problem, knowledge, wisdom, skill, experience and success.
The other part is which tool kit you use.
LOA is stripped Planetary Magic.
You send the message up to the theoretical pinnacle for the stuff to be made till it's fully manufactured, letting the various stages fill out without your direct input.
Some of the places for some requests are efficient.
Some places get into deadlocks and development hell and mismanaged fuckery.
Most of the issue is a logistics chain problem.
However by just sending the mssage (LOA) one can aquire some wisdom, knowledge, skills and experiences.
What I mean is you can do A B testing to probe what is easily doable in which timeframe without touching or changing or getting into anything else.
One of the big problems is needed transit time, part of the solution is to send the message to the past of sorts.
So we send the message outside of time and so the whatever is completed and sent at a specific chronological date.
Each person's logistics route is more or less similar, the thing is what kinds of blockages and interruptions there are.
Which brings me to the tool of choice analogy.
LOA is to an email
Planetary Magic is to a computer
Chaos magic is to a programmer
Being one with Jesus is akin to being a family business multi-megacorporations soon to be owner with everything being top of the line and subject with clear hard guidelines and I'm understateing the riches and personnel at hand.
Prayer is a fancy way of saying you're having a chat with the family and friends.
<I have a clear preference.
Before I have made it an important point to not be seen/noticed by any hostile powers, it's important. The time and energy wasted trying to deal with whatever fuckery is annoying.
It greases the wheels and makes stuff churn out smooth, making it far less dangerous.
Now it's reversed where it's technically always dangerous all the time, but all hostile forces run the fuck away as fast as possible, and everything is more smooth, safer, faster, secure and meaningful.
>>174953
Okay. Now how does taking an action toward the wish affect the whole process so to speak? Is it required to take action toward the wish,does it depend on the wish itself?
As in my mind i believe getting from current point to another one can be done via many ways.
1)I'm just waiting for the wish to be fulfilled one way or another.
2)I take action to move from current state to another state that's "closer(or perhaps further)" to the end and while doing so i might even shorten the route/time required to fulfill the wish and my action might even make it easier to happen.
And the way you described it,my thinking kind of matches to the logistics chain problem.
There are points/states and to get from one to another an action is needed. So by doing an action i can jump to a state in this chain,whether that's a good thing or not is another question.
However doing "nothing" could count as well depending on the wish?
>You send the message up
It sounds like i can send a badly written message(thus getting something different/bad) if not done correctly?IF i can even write the message to begin with.
Okay. Now how does taking an action toward the wish affect the whole process so to speak? Is it required to take action toward the wish,does it depend on the wish itself?
As in my mind i believe getting from current point to another one can be done via many ways.
1)I'm just waiting for the wish to be fulfilled one way or another.
2)I take action to move from current state to another state that's "closer(or perhaps further)" to the end and while doing so i might even shorten the route/time required to fulfill the wish and my action might even make it easier to happen.
And the way you described it,my thinking kind of matches to the logistics chain problem.
There are points/states and to get from one to another an action is needed. So by doing an action i can jump to a state in this chain,whether that's a good thing or not is another question.
However doing "nothing" could count as well depending on the wish?
>You send the message up
It sounds like i can send a badly written message(thus getting something different/bad) if not done correctly?IF i can even write the message to begin with.
>>174954
>The post.
Sorry, I wrote an hour long post about what I've done in the past, but I was corrected.
The too long didn't read, is that the only good GOD allows all to enjoy things nobody deserves.
That includes what is termed magic or LOA wishes.
As such if you ask Him, He heard you and then created everything from the beginning. Because He is beyond the flimsy grasp of time, so too all messages He listens to.
I strongly recommend accepting what Jesus has done to repair the relationship between everyone and The only living God.
If you want to listen to my previously dead shell visit the early/medium parts of the /vx/ thread.
It's not worth it, because He's more than enough. It's better to have the best relationship with Him, than to slave away with bits and pieces that can't last.
With The Holy Ghost He assists in being perfect. Messages that would be a jumbled mess are course corrected to be how God desires.
You get every promise God made, and you can talk with the creator of everything including you at all times.
The difference between God and LoA is too vast to even compare.
He lives you, and wants you know He's taking care of it.
>The post.
Sorry, I wrote an hour long post about what I've done in the past, but I was corrected.
The too long didn't read, is that the only good GOD allows all to enjoy things nobody deserves.
That includes what is termed magic or LOA wishes.
As such if you ask Him, He heard you and then created everything from the beginning. Because He is beyond the flimsy grasp of time, so too all messages He listens to.
I strongly recommend accepting what Jesus has done to repair the relationship between everyone and The only living God.
If you want to listen to my previously dead shell visit the early/medium parts of the /vx/ thread.
It's not worth it, because He's more than enough. It's better to have the best relationship with Him, than to slave away with bits and pieces that can't last.
With The Holy Ghost He assists in being perfect. Messages that would be a jumbled mess are course corrected to be how God desires.
You get every promise God made, and you can talk with the creator of everything including you at all times.
The difference between God and LoA is too vast to even compare.
He lives you, and wants you know He's taking care of it.
No offense to OP, but at a certain point one can learn to stop asking, knowing - much as one who prays does - that through their choices/behavior they will experience precisely the circumstances, people, and context that will best manifest their best-suited development.
Imo, the best 'prayer' is a song that doesnt involve words; when sung properly, its difficult not to cry, especially in he 3rd verse (the song is Amazing Grace, done in harmonic tuvanese throat singing). The song reminds me how deeply and emphatically I love God. I am grateful for God's ever-presence, I would long have given into permanent foolishness long ago without. Its really hard to think about what you dont have when youre reminded that,... you get what Im saying.
Imo, the best 'prayer' is a song that doesnt involve words; when sung properly, its difficult not to cry, especially in he 3rd verse (the song is Amazing Grace, done in harmonic tuvanese throat singing). The song reminds me how deeply and emphatically I love God. I am grateful for God's ever-presence, I would long have given into permanent foolishness long ago without. Its really hard to think about what you dont have when youre reminded that,... you get what Im saying.
>>174919
Hi. I'm wandering around, wondering where my /fringe/ homies have gone (the board is shit nowadays). I'm just a wandering schizo.
>what are the rules of manifestation
Manifestation works differently to how it is represented most of the time. Neville nailed the how, but nobody really explains the why, and some questions require you to answer it.
The key to your question is in Swedenborg's work. Manifestation is the result of closing in the spiritual (or "moral" as Swedenborg put it) distance. That is, the more similar you can feel to how you want it to be, the more like that it will become.
You can figure out how probable something is to manifest by gauging how easy it is for you to feel it is real. Then things take the path of least resistance to make that short distance you made symbolical to make it literal.
>bring back the dead
If you apply the above, you will see how this one is tricky. You can enter a trance (not really necessary if you are really adept), and spend an hour shifting your feeling to feel as if the person you want to bring back was in front of you, alive, talking to you. The path of least resistance to this will be a more-real-than-real dream experience in which you are with that person, or a mediumistic experience in which you see them. Technically, your feeling became realized (it was always "real"). But you didn't resurrect anyone.
I suppose you could come up with a completely unambiguous, layered "feel" that implied actual resurrection, and didn't allow for any substitute for a literal raising of the dead. But how real would you be able to feel it?
Hi. I'm wandering around, wondering where my /fringe/ homies have gone (the board is shit nowadays). I'm just a wandering schizo.
>what are the rules of manifestation
Manifestation works differently to how it is represented most of the time. Neville nailed the how, but nobody really explains the why, and some questions require you to answer it.
The key to your question is in Swedenborg's work. Manifestation is the result of closing in the spiritual (or "moral" as Swedenborg put it) distance. That is, the more similar you can feel to how you want it to be, the more like that it will become.
You can figure out how probable something is to manifest by gauging how easy it is for you to feel it is real. Then things take the path of least resistance to make that short distance you made symbolical to make it literal.
>bring back the dead
If you apply the above, you will see how this one is tricky. You can enter a trance (not really necessary if you are really adept), and spend an hour shifting your feeling to feel as if the person you want to bring back was in front of you, alive, talking to you. The path of least resistance to this will be a more-real-than-real dream experience in which you are with that person, or a mediumistic experience in which you see them. Technically, your feeling became realized (it was always "real"). But you didn't resurrect anyone.
I suppose you could come up with a completely unambiguous, layered "feel" that implied actual resurrection, and didn't allow for any substitute for a literal raising of the dead. But how real would you be able to feel it?