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>>374855
>DJT stocks went up after the assassination attempt. You lose money by shorting a stock that goes up in value. You go long on a stock that you expect to rise in value, you short a stock that you expect to go down.
Are you trolling? Where would the stock have gone if that 'one' bullet was a mm or two to the left?
Theres plenty of possibilities that apparently (you) arent willing to entertain, including:
- Blackrock hired the kid expecting/knowing he'd fail
- Blackrock hired the kid and he still fucked it up
- SS is blatantly incompetent
- SS has become victim of weaponized incompetence
- SS is maliciously incompetent
... and many more!
I know, the world is scary when you entertain ideas outside your own beliefs and preconceptions
>DJT stocks went up after the assassination attempt. You lose money by shorting a stock that goes up in value. You go long on a stock that you expect to rise in value, you short a stock that you expect to go down.
Are you trolling? Where would the stock have gone if that 'one' bullet was a mm or two to the left?
Theres plenty of possibilities that apparently (you) arent willing to entertain, including:
- Blackrock hired the kid expecting/knowing he'd fail
- Blackrock hired the kid and he still fucked it up
- SS is blatantly incompetent
- SS has become victim of weaponized incompetence
- SS is maliciously incompetent
... and many more!
I know, the world is scary when you entertain ideas outside your own beliefs and preconceptions
>>374897
>where would the stock have gone if he hadn’t missed?
Even higher. When people die, people tend to be more sympathetic towards them. When they are blatantly martyred, as Trump would have been, even more so.
>BlackRock hired him expecting he would fail
No, they wouldn’t have, because trying always carries the risk of success. While Matthew Crooks missed in multiple shots, 125 yards is still very close. He almost hit, and in fact very likely would have if Trump hadn’t turned his head.
>SS hired the kid and he fucked it up.
They would have hired someone who can shoot
>SS is blatantly incompetent
Correct.
>SS has become the victim of weaponized incompetence
Possible, though I think it’s more likely that it’s just regular incompetence
>SS is maliciously incompetent
Possible
>the world is scary when you entertain ideas outside your own beliefs and preconceptions
K. But if you believe that Blsckrock is this hyper competent organization that paid a 20 year old inbred who doesn’t know how to hide or shoot a gun to kill a former president, all so they can lose money on their short of Donald Trump’s company, then you’re believing what you want to believe, and not what facts and logic would suggest
>where would the stock have gone if he hadn’t missed?
Even higher. When people die, people tend to be more sympathetic towards them. When they are blatantly martyred, as Trump would have been, even more so.
>BlackRock hired him expecting he would fail
No, they wouldn’t have, because trying always carries the risk of success. While Matthew Crooks missed in multiple shots, 125 yards is still very close. He almost hit, and in fact very likely would have if Trump hadn’t turned his head.
>SS hired the kid and he fucked it up.
They would have hired someone who can shoot
>SS is blatantly incompetent
Correct.
>SS has become the victim of weaponized incompetence
Possible, though I think it’s more likely that it’s just regular incompetence
>SS is maliciously incompetent
Possible
>the world is scary when you entertain ideas outside your own beliefs and preconceptions
K. But if you believe that Blsckrock is this hyper competent organization that paid a 20 year old inbred who doesn’t know how to hide or shoot a gun to kill a former president, all so they can lose money on their short of Donald Trump’s company, then you’re believing what you want to believe, and not what facts and logic would suggest
>>374898
>Even higher. When people die, people tend to be more sympathetic towards them. When they are blatantly martyred, as Trump would have been, even more so.
No, no, no. The only reason Truth Social has any value is because Donald Trump uses it. The only reason anybody uses Truth Social instead of Twitter is because Donald Trump uses it. The only reason DJT has any projected value is because people anticipate that Donald Trump will use it for the entirety of his presidency and announce all of his policies through it like he did on Twitter throughout his first term.
If Trump were gone, Truth Social would be worthless and nobody would buy it. Everyone would sell because they would know that the app would have no further potential to expand and would implode as the person people went there to see stopped using it.
>They would have hired someone who can shoot
He was able to shoot. Had Trump not turned his head in the split second that the trigger were pulled, it would have been a perfect headshot.
>Even higher. When people die, people tend to be more sympathetic towards them. When they are blatantly martyred, as Trump would have been, even more so.
No, no, no. The only reason Truth Social has any value is because Donald Trump uses it. The only reason anybody uses Truth Social instead of Twitter is because Donald Trump uses it. The only reason DJT has any projected value is because people anticipate that Donald Trump will use it for the entirety of his presidency and announce all of his policies through it like he did on Twitter throughout his first term.
If Trump were gone, Truth Social would be worthless and nobody would buy it. Everyone would sell because they would know that the app would have no further potential to expand and would implode as the person people went there to see stopped using it.
>They would have hired someone who can shoot
He was able to shoot. Had Trump not turned his head in the split second that the trigger were pulled, it would have been a perfect headshot.
>>374898
>Even higher. When people die, people tend to be more sympathetic towards them. When they are blatantly martyred, as Trump would have been, even more so.
I need to talk to your dealer, cuz hes got the good shit
The dude bled yo. I dont see how you can claim incompetence when by all metrics it should have succeeded.
The DC on that evasion diceroll was a nat 20. Yes, Trump landed it, but let's not pretend that cracking jokes about the failed shooter was the probable outcome OR that because he landed it that its impossible that this wasn't a more complicated instance
Never attribute to malice, that which can be explained by stupidity
- Hanlon's Razor
Never dismiss as stupidity, that which can be substantiated as malice
- Adeline's Retort
>Even higher. When people die, people tend to be more sympathetic towards them. When they are blatantly martyred, as Trump would have been, even more so.
I need to talk to your dealer, cuz hes got the good shit
The dude bled yo. I dont see how you can claim incompetence when by all metrics it should have succeeded.
The DC on that evasion diceroll was a nat 20. Yes, Trump landed it, but let's not pretend that cracking jokes about the failed shooter was the probable outcome OR that because he landed it that its impossible that this wasn't a more complicated instance
Never attribute to malice, that which can be explained by stupidity
- Hanlon's Razor
Never dismiss as stupidity, that which can be substantiated as malice
- Adeline's Retort
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>>374902
>The DC on that evasion diceroll was a nat 20.
Trump really rocked that Uncanny Dodge. This is what Legendary Unarmored AC looks like.
>The DC on that evasion diceroll was a nat 20.
Trump really rocked that Uncanny Dodge. This is what Legendary Unarmored AC looks like.
>>374904
I can't help but sympathize with people who called it an act of God. He literally, unironically dodged a bullet in real time.
I can't help but sympathize with people who called it an act of God. He literally, unironically dodged a bullet in real time.
>>374905
Yeah, don't you worry, the book of revelationists are gonna have a field day about that whole "struck a felling blow but survived" part
Yeah, don't you worry, the book of revelationists are gonna have a field day about that whole "struck a felling blow but survived" part
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>>374902
The question you really have to ask yourself is, does this look more like someone who is in a position of power with much foresight and planning put him up to it, or does this look more like the school shooter decided to try his hand at political assassinations?
>It would have been the perfect headshot but for luck
>losing wasn't the probable outcome
But luck works the other way, too.
Matthew Crooks was damned lucky to get as far as he got, and there were several instances were a very marginally more competent shooter (like a PTSD afflicted suicidal veteran our country has thousands of) would have done better
First and most importantly, Crooks had no stealth at all. He was noticed by spectators, who even filmed him. He was noticed by law enforcement. There was even a Secret Service sniper trained on his position, who shot him a couple seconds after he shot at Trump. The only reason Crooks got as far as he did, I am sure, is because the Secret Service really did not want to kill a kid, and wanted to resolve the issue without shooting him. If that sniper had not hesitated, and shot Crooks as soon as the threat was beyond obvious, he would not have made off that first shot. A law enforcement officer is said to have even gone up, and then retreated when Crooks pointed his rifle at him. Crooks got lucky they did not take the situation more seriously. A more competent shooter probably would have used a longer range rifle and good have shot from further away. Or perhaps they would have been hidden. Or perhaps they would have had a plausible cover story as to why they were on the roof, like being a construction worker. Anything other than gambling on the secret service doing nothing.
The question really is, do you think that if BlackRock had put a shooter up, they would have bet on him just being allowed to sit on a roof with a rifle? No. They would not have. But if this were just a school shooter trying to be Brutus, would they do this? Yes. Yes they would.
The second thing to keep in mind is that Crooks didn't take one shot. He took about four shots. And after the first shot, which missed, he didn't come close. The type of gun and caliber that Crooks was using, the 5.56 and the AR15, is basically designed to allow for accuracy in rapid fire. Making accurate follow up shots on the AR15 is not that hard. And he failed at it. Had he been actually trained to use a 5.56 caliber rifle - like literally any veteran would have been - he likely would have been at least closer to hitting Trump on the follow up shots. Remember that Lee Harvey Oswald made the headshot on the third shot, not the first.
Ask yourself, if this was a shooter hired by an analyst company, would they be poor at double tapping and follow up shots? Maybe, but there's no reason to think that they would. And if it were just a school shooter, would they suck at follow up shots. Well... yeah, probably.
And as for the shot that missed, yes, if Trump hadn't moved his head, he probably would have been hit in the skull by the bullet, and he maybe would have died from it. However, the shot was not well positioned in the center of his head. A shooter who was a better shot would likely not have missed on that first shot anyways, even with the slight turn of the head. And a better centered shot is more likely to cause fatal brain damage rather than a (serious) wound.
Again, do you think that this suggests a hired shooter, or a school shooter?
And finally, why use his daddy's AR15 at all? The 5.56 bullet is pretty deadly, but this is an operation you can't afford to fuck up. Why not use a 7.62 bullet from an M1A or AR10? A 7.62 would be surer to kill in the event of a hit. It would have been less moved by the wind, which may have been why the bullet missed. And it would be accurate at a longer range, which would have allowed for a shot from further away. Also, a proper scope could have allowed for adjustments for windage.
BlackRock wouldn't need daddy's gun. But if you're just a wanna be assassin, no shit you use daddy's gun. It's what you have, and it's right there.
And no, I don't think that the Secret Service were trying to allow Trump to be killed. And for a simple reason. They shot the shooter shortly after he made his first few shots. If they wanted him to succeed, all they had to do was nothing for a bit longer, and let him have a fifth, sixth, or so chance to hit Trump. And it's not like Trump was running away to hide. He stood up again after the shots and gave the shooter another chance, or would have if the Secret Service hadn't already shot Crooks
So again, if someone had hired a shooter to kill Trump, is this what it would have looked like? No. There is so much room for improvement, it strains belief. Just look at Lee Harvey Oswald, the excellent-shot former marine who posed as a worker, and who was hidden from view basically until after he killed a cop in his escape. And if Matthew Crooks were basically a school shooter, it would look like... exactly what we got.
>>374902
The question you really have to ask yourself is, does this look more like someone who is in a position of power with much foresight and planning put him up to it, or does this look more like the school shooter decided to try his hand at political assassinations?
>It would have been the perfect headshot but for luck
>losing wasn't the probable outcome
But luck works the other way, too.
Matthew Crooks was damned lucky to get as far as he got, and there were several instances were a very marginally more competent shooter (like a PTSD afflicted suicidal veteran our country has thousands of) would have done better
First and most importantly, Crooks had no stealth at all. He was noticed by spectators, who even filmed him. He was noticed by law enforcement. There was even a Secret Service sniper trained on his position, who shot him a couple seconds after he shot at Trump. The only reason Crooks got as far as he did, I am sure, is because the Secret Service really did not want to kill a kid, and wanted to resolve the issue without shooting him. If that sniper had not hesitated, and shot Crooks as soon as the threat was beyond obvious, he would not have made off that first shot. A law enforcement officer is said to have even gone up, and then retreated when Crooks pointed his rifle at him. Crooks got lucky they did not take the situation more seriously. A more competent shooter probably would have used a longer range rifle and good have shot from further away. Or perhaps they would have been hidden. Or perhaps they would have had a plausible cover story as to why they were on the roof, like being a construction worker. Anything other than gambling on the secret service doing nothing.
The question really is, do you think that if BlackRock had put a shooter up, they would have bet on him just being allowed to sit on a roof with a rifle? No. They would not have. But if this were just a school shooter trying to be Brutus, would they do this? Yes. Yes they would.
The second thing to keep in mind is that Crooks didn't take one shot. He took about four shots. And after the first shot, which missed, he didn't come close. The type of gun and caliber that Crooks was using, the 5.56 and the AR15, is basically designed to allow for accuracy in rapid fire. Making accurate follow up shots on the AR15 is not that hard. And he failed at it. Had he been actually trained to use a 5.56 caliber rifle - like literally any veteran would have been - he likely would have been at least closer to hitting Trump on the follow up shots. Remember that Lee Harvey Oswald made the headshot on the third shot, not the first.
Ask yourself, if this was a shooter hired by an analyst company, would they be poor at double tapping and follow up shots? Maybe, but there's no reason to think that they would. And if it were just a school shooter, would they suck at follow up shots. Well... yeah, probably.
And as for the shot that missed, yes, if Trump hadn't moved his head, he probably would have been hit in the skull by the bullet, and he maybe would have died from it. However, the shot was not well positioned in the center of his head. A shooter who was a better shot would likely not have missed on that first shot anyways, even with the slight turn of the head. And a better centered shot is more likely to cause fatal brain damage rather than a (serious) wound.
Again, do you think that this suggests a hired shooter, or a school shooter?
And finally, why use his daddy's AR15 at all? The 5.56 bullet is pretty deadly, but this is an operation you can't afford to fuck up. Why not use a 7.62 bullet from an M1A or AR10? A 7.62 would be surer to kill in the event of a hit. It would have been less moved by the wind, which may have been why the bullet missed. And it would be accurate at a longer range, which would have allowed for a shot from further away. Also, a proper scope could have allowed for adjustments for windage.
BlackRock wouldn't need daddy's gun. But if you're just a wanna be assassin, no shit you use daddy's gun. It's what you have, and it's right there.
And no, I don't think that the Secret Service were trying to allow Trump to be killed. And for a simple reason. They shot the shooter shortly after he made his first few shots. If they wanted him to succeed, all they had to do was nothing for a bit longer, and let him have a fifth, sixth, or so chance to hit Trump. And it's not like Trump was running away to hide. He stood up again after the shots and gave the shooter another chance, or would have if the Secret Service hadn't already shot Crooks
So again, if someone had hired a shooter to kill Trump, is this what it would have looked like? No. There is so much room for improvement, it strains belief. Just look at Lee Harvey Oswald, the excellent-shot former marine who posed as a worker, and who was hidden from view basically until after he killed a cop in his escape. And if Matthew Crooks were basically a school shooter, it would look like... exactly what we got.
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>>374913
>>374913
Investment firms have been trying to short-sell DJT for months. Just do a google search. Here's one from May talking about mass-shorting of Trump Media shares
https://www.barrons.com/articles/djt-trump-media-stock-price-buy-sell-66bf9310
Here's an article from April about short selling Trump Media
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/03/business/trump-media-short-selling.html
Another article from March of this year
https://investorplace.com/2024/03/trump-media-pop-is-giving-djt-stock-short-sellers-a-run-for-their-money/
And 12 Million shares is also a pitifully small about of money to be gained, relative to how big an assassination is. In a short, the most that you could possibly make from it is the full value of the stock, and you'd never make that much. It's worth about $36 a share. That means that the most to be made off of that is about $43 Million. That's the same amount that Elon Musk pledged to donate to the Trump campaign each month after the assassination attempt. Joe Biden raises about half that much in a single donor meeting. And the cost of the political campaigns is in the billions. $43 million is pitifully small by comparison. There are much better ways to make money off a political assassination that short selling a moderately popular social media site. And again, they've been short selling it for a while.
>>374913
Investment firms have been trying to short-sell DJT for months. Just do a google search. Here's one from May talking about mass-shorting of Trump Media shares
https://www.barrons.com/articles/djt-trump-media-stock-price-buy-sell-66bf9310
Here's an article from April about short selling Trump Media
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/03/business/trump-media-short-selling.html
Another article from March of this year
https://investorplace.com/2024/03/trump-media-pop-is-giving-djt-stock-short-sellers-a-run-for-their-money/
And 12 Million shares is also a pitifully small about of money to be gained, relative to how big an assassination is. In a short, the most that you could possibly make from it is the full value of the stock, and you'd never make that much. It's worth about $36 a share. That means that the most to be made off of that is about $43 Million. That's the same amount that Elon Musk pledged to donate to the Trump campaign each month after the assassination attempt. Joe Biden raises about half that much in a single donor meeting. And the cost of the political campaigns is in the billions. $43 million is pitifully small by comparison. There are much better ways to make money off a political assassination that short selling a moderately popular social media site. And again, they've been short selling it for a while.
>>374915
>Functionally-illiterate people should not be allowed to use computers
We agree
>>374917
You seem resolved to the idea that theres nothing to see here, so good luck with that. Regardless what your precious interpretation suggests, DT has a pillow where part of his ear was. That alone suggests that the threat was more credible than you in the very clear aftermath are willing to accept.
>Functionally-illiterate people should not be allowed to use computers
We agree
>>374917
You seem resolved to the idea that theres nothing to see here, so good luck with that. Regardless what your precious interpretation suggests, DT has a pillow where part of his ear was. That alone suggests that the threat was more credible than you in the very clear aftermath are willing to accept.
>>374923
You're not getting it. This absolutely could have resulted in Trump dying, and almost did. That's why I am sure that it wasn't staged by Trump's campaign or anyone to be a failed assassination attempt - the risk that Trump could have died was too great. But if it was intended to be a real assassination, there are so many places that they could have done better, that they certainly would have done better.
It's like getting a 65 on a test. You "almost" passed. But if you were trying to pass, you almost certainly would have done better than a 65, at least with the resources available to BlackRock or a well funded assassin group. But if you were trying to fail, you would have done worse than a 65, because 65 is very nearly passing. Ergo, the most likely scenario is that someone who didn't have access to decent resources - like a lone gunman, or a gaggle of leftist youths in conspiracy - was trying to assassinate Trump, rather than a conspiracy by well connected and well funded individuals either to assassinate Trump or to fail to assassinate him.
You're not getting it. This absolutely could have resulted in Trump dying, and almost did. That's why I am sure that it wasn't staged by Trump's campaign or anyone to be a failed assassination attempt - the risk that Trump could have died was too great. But if it was intended to be a real assassination, there are so many places that they could have done better, that they certainly would have done better.
It's like getting a 65 on a test. You "almost" passed. But if you were trying to pass, you almost certainly would have done better than a 65, at least with the resources available to BlackRock or a well funded assassin group. But if you were trying to fail, you would have done worse than a 65, because 65 is very nearly passing. Ergo, the most likely scenario is that someone who didn't have access to decent resources - like a lone gunman, or a gaggle of leftist youths in conspiracy - was trying to assassinate Trump, rather than a conspiracy by well connected and well funded individuals either to assassinate Trump or to fail to assassinate him.
>>374925
>That's why I am sure that it wasn't staged by Trump's campaign
Who suggested it was?
Are you suggesting that the only explanation for a failed assassination on Trump is that Trump (or someone close) orchestrated it? Are you mental?
>That's why I am sure that it wasn't staged by Trump's campaign
Who suggested it was?
Are you suggesting that the only explanation for a failed assassination on Trump is that Trump (or someone close) orchestrated it? Are you mental?
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>>374876
Reality is stranger. Also at times simple.
Many who seek positions of power are unburdened by morals, except as a tool for public support.
People have high points and low points, in cognition and efficacy.
Long term planning can be done by whoever wants it (satan jews and muslims and any one else that can contented with those two interest groups for that long) in exchange for immoral short term gains.
Now sometimes the short term gains fuck up the long term and vis versa.
However the short term actors get their fix from the long term planners they just do a general guideline sometimes with specific instructions.
Getting into the loop is a matter of who you know, how useful you are and if you meet their criteria.
Useful retards are given extremely short term gains, such as antifa. They get feeling and most of that psychological conditioning. Just as easily disposed of... usually.
The longer term asset against how short term gains that they can get is how disposable they are.
There are differing factions within those groups and between short term and long term and various counter workings with long term vs long term.
They all think (You) as you currently are is a problem, especially if you have children raised in a loving environment.
Short term, because they can't enslave, diddle or sacrifice them ect. ect. as easily as they want.
Long term, because either you or your successors will fuck them up.
With the mentally unhinged as easy to grow and dispose pawns it's a matter of which long term group can more readily move them to do their bidding.
That's not to say the short term groups don't band together more often then not, but it's based on all them maintaining their place and ready to backstab till they expire.
Expanding this to each connected chain where subordinates have subordinates or call on useful idiots.
Some with totally legal moves. And others that just need to never be caught.
The competence of the chain is more like mercenary or auction work, whoever can get it done, their reputation of getting stuff done and the price of payment. A fluid sort of structure of sorts.
New talents can come in, and old talents and bring in some into the family trade.
Some are actually talented at what they do. More often than not is the low skill but long term positioning to do one thing. Some can't do it.
If they can't they get removed one way or another or they get to try again.
Also groups can subcontract out to other groups.
Thus in short the web of intrigue with a wide array of skill, competence, morals, desires and micro-networks.
Some are retards, some have to not be totally retarded to keep the wheels greased.
So yes it is possible to have a vast conspiracy full of fuck tards and lock step competence.
Maintaining that needs some dark deeds done daily. The logistics network for that, can be broken.
If the short term fucks don't get their fix, they turn to whoever can, and if not they become more self destructive.
Up and up the chain and networks it goes the consequences of a ruined logistics network.
One thing to note is that interpersonal rivalries or enemies can and do occur, but being less useful to others means they're more likely to be replaced and the rival or personal enemy wins.
Reality is stranger. Also at times simple.
Many who seek positions of power are unburdened by morals, except as a tool for public support.
People have high points and low points, in cognition and efficacy.
Long term planning can be done by whoever wants it (satan jews and muslims and any one else that can contented with those two interest groups for that long) in exchange for immoral short term gains.
Now sometimes the short term gains fuck up the long term and vis versa.
However the short term actors get their fix from the long term planners they just do a general guideline sometimes with specific instructions.
Getting into the loop is a matter of who you know, how useful you are and if you meet their criteria.
Useful retards are given extremely short term gains, such as antifa. They get feeling and most of that psychological conditioning. Just as easily disposed of... usually.
The longer term asset against how short term gains that they can get is how disposable they are.
There are differing factions within those groups and between short term and long term and various counter workings with long term vs long term.
They all think (You) as you currently are is a problem, especially if you have children raised in a loving environment.
Short term, because they can't enslave, diddle or sacrifice them ect. ect. as easily as they want.
Long term, because either you or your successors will fuck them up.
With the mentally unhinged as easy to grow and dispose pawns it's a matter of which long term group can more readily move them to do their bidding.
That's not to say the short term groups don't band together more often then not, but it's based on all them maintaining their place and ready to backstab till they expire.
Expanding this to each connected chain where subordinates have subordinates or call on useful idiots.
Some with totally legal moves. And others that just need to never be caught.
The competence of the chain is more like mercenary or auction work, whoever can get it done, their reputation of getting stuff done and the price of payment. A fluid sort of structure of sorts.
New talents can come in, and old talents and bring in some into the family trade.
Some are actually talented at what they do. More often than not is the low skill but long term positioning to do one thing. Some can't do it.
If they can't they get removed one way or another or they get to try again.
Also groups can subcontract out to other groups.
Thus in short the web of intrigue with a wide array of skill, competence, morals, desires and micro-networks.
Some are retards, some have to not be totally retarded to keep the wheels greased.
So yes it is possible to have a vast conspiracy full of fuck tards and lock step competence.
Maintaining that needs some dark deeds done daily. The logistics network for that, can be broken.
If the short term fucks don't get their fix, they turn to whoever can, and if not they become more self destructive.
Up and up the chain and networks it goes the consequences of a ruined logistics network.
One thing to note is that interpersonal rivalries or enemies can and do occur, but being less useful to others means they're more likely to be replaced and the rival or personal enemy wins.
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>>374926
Dude, read the post.
I am saying that the best explanation for the result that we got is that Matthew Crooks, acting alone, or in conspiracy with people of talent and resources similar to his own, tried to kill Donald Trump. The evidence is not consistent with a failed attempt by a well-funded and well-connected conspiracy to kill Donald Trump. The evidence is also not consistent with a staged assassination attempt.
>Who
People have suggested that it was staged. It's not a popular opinion in this thread, but people have said it.
Dude, read the post.
I am saying that the best explanation for the result that we got is that Matthew Crooks, acting alone, or in conspiracy with people of talent and resources similar to his own, tried to kill Donald Trump. The evidence is not consistent with a failed attempt by a well-funded and well-connected conspiracy to kill Donald Trump. The evidence is also not consistent with a staged assassination attempt.
>Who
People have suggested that it was staged. It's not a popular opinion in this thread, but people have said it.
>>374929
>the evidence is not consistent with a failed assassination attempt OR a legitimate assassination attempt
I'm eager to hear you validate that point
>the evidence is not consistent with a failed assassination attempt OR a legitimate assassination attempt
I'm eager to hear you validate that point
>>374930
It's not consistent with a failed or legitimate assassination attempt by someone with resources and connections. I'm pretty sure we are in fact looking at a failed, legitimate assassination attempt, carried out by a 20 year old leftist activist whose most notable accomplishment is a math award, and who was blessed with a very not-trigger happy Secret Service detail to be up against.
Where am I wrong in >>374917 >>374898
>>374855 ? Do you have any arguments as to why we should believe this is a failed assassination attempt by a group with solid connections and resources? Or in the alternative, that this was staged?
It's not consistent with a failed or legitimate assassination attempt by someone with resources and connections. I'm pretty sure we are in fact looking at a failed, legitimate assassination attempt, carried out by a 20 year old leftist activist whose most notable accomplishment is a math award, and who was blessed with a very not-trigger happy Secret Service detail to be up against.
Where am I wrong in >>374917 >>374898
>>374855 ? Do you have any arguments as to why we should believe this is a failed assassination attempt by a group with solid connections and resources? Or in the alternative, that this was staged?
>>374931
>I'm pretty sure
Oh, well that makes all the difference in the world, doesnt it?
>Where am I wrong in
Because you assume a comprehensive perspective, while ignoring perpsectives
>I'm pretty sure
Oh, well that makes all the difference in the world, doesnt it?
>Where am I wrong in
Because you assume a comprehensive perspective, while ignoring perpsectives
No one (that I know of) said "believe" anything, except you who's mind seems quite made up. Im just offering different perspectives. Thats still allowed, yes?
>>374929
Plausible deniability.
A mostly useless asset was in position. On the off chance they fuck up, which they shouldn't it's some radical nutjob which is true but the ties can be discredited via the usual means and methods.
Mostly cheap and easy to give it a shot. And either way won't have to be paid because he's dead either way. On the off chance he survives it's worth it for them to remove such a strange player.
That doesn't mean all the long term groups were on board or short term groups, but enough to have the ball rolling and fuck it up.
Enough to try it with whatever they pulled.
>Staged.
Then there's some strange bedfellows making it look staged and real enough.
>Deliberately miss (which could actually kill the president) or have an alternative means to wound and kill the bystanders.
Which would require a higher order of competence from more people, and equipment and with all the other potential digital recordings accounted for.
<reality is a strange place.
Plausible deniability.
A mostly useless asset was in position. On the off chance they fuck up, which they shouldn't it's some radical nutjob which is true but the ties can be discredited via the usual means and methods.
Mostly cheap and easy to give it a shot. And either way won't have to be paid because he's dead either way. On the off chance he survives it's worth it for them to remove such a strange player.
That doesn't mean all the long term groups were on board or short term groups, but enough to have the ball rolling and fuck it up.
Enough to try it with whatever they pulled.
>Staged.
Then there's some strange bedfellows making it look staged and real enough.
>Deliberately miss (which could actually kill the president) or have an alternative means to wound and kill the bystanders.
Which would require a higher order of competence from more people, and equipment and with all the other potential digital recordings accounted for.
<reality is a strange place.
>>374937
The thing is that there were alternative possible shooters that would have had an equal amount of plausible deniability, but would have had a greater chance at success that it's very hard to believe that Crooks would have been chosen by a larger conspiracy. Of course someone like a former Navy Seal Sniper would have drawn attention, but that's unnecessary. There are so many better options
Look at Lee Harvey Oswald; he's a pretty good example. Lee Harvey Oswald was a former US Marine who undertook actual firearms training. He was trained as a shooter, and qualified as a "sharpshooter. It is a well known story that a shot that was graded as a "miss" in a test was very likely a hit that went through the hole of previous bullet. He was employed at the Texas School Book depository. Lee Harvey Oswald was all around a more likely candidate to succeed at assassinating a president than Crooks ever was, but still plausibly just a cooky communist.
I went to school with a former US Airforce security guard who was a hell-bent committed Democrat. I know several Democrats who are avid gun owners and shooters. People who hate Trump but also actually know how to use a gun are not that uncommon. There are tens of thousands, and likely millions of liberals who own firearms, know how to use them, or even have military experience using firearms.
Matthew Crooks didn't have much range experience. He was not in the ROTC, he wasn't a veteran. He didn't even have his own gun. The price of failing at this assassination attempt for anyone trying is very high - they would have taken it seriously and wouldn't have risked it on Matthew Crooks. There are so many better candidates that are equal in plausible deniability, like that old classmate of mine.
The thing is that there were alternative possible shooters that would have had an equal amount of plausible deniability, but would have had a greater chance at success that it's very hard to believe that Crooks would have been chosen by a larger conspiracy. Of course someone like a former Navy Seal Sniper would have drawn attention, but that's unnecessary. There are so many better options
Look at Lee Harvey Oswald; he's a pretty good example. Lee Harvey Oswald was a former US Marine who undertook actual firearms training. He was trained as a shooter, and qualified as a "sharpshooter. It is a well known story that a shot that was graded as a "miss" in a test was very likely a hit that went through the hole of previous bullet. He was employed at the Texas School Book depository. Lee Harvey Oswald was all around a more likely candidate to succeed at assassinating a president than Crooks ever was, but still plausibly just a cooky communist.
I went to school with a former US Airforce security guard who was a hell-bent committed Democrat. I know several Democrats who are avid gun owners and shooters. People who hate Trump but also actually know how to use a gun are not that uncommon. There are tens of thousands, and likely millions of liberals who own firearms, know how to use them, or even have military experience using firearms.
Matthew Crooks didn't have much range experience. He was not in the ROTC, he wasn't a veteran. He didn't even have his own gun. The price of failing at this assassination attempt for anyone trying is very high - they would have taken it seriously and wouldn't have risked it on Matthew Crooks. There are so many better candidates that are equal in plausible deniability, like that old classmate of mine.
>>374866
Oh, heck, I'm retarded. Forget about it.
On a side note. It would be kinda surprising if the remotely detonated explosives were actually in a functional state. I wouldn't call it a lone wolf hit if that's the case.
Oh, heck, I'm retarded. Forget about it.
On a side note. It would be kinda surprising if the remotely detonated explosives were actually in a functional state. I wouldn't call it a lone wolf hit if that's the case.
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some other crap developing
https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/trump-rally-shooter-thomas-matthew-crooks-discord-account-deleted-company-issues-statement-article-111737768
>shitcord roleplays police and decides to delete suspects account declaring nothing to see there
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/15/trump-rally-shooting-suspect-phone-fbi
>Phone cracked
https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/trump-rally-shooter-thomas-matthew-crooks-discord-account-deleted-company-issues-statement-article-111737768
>shitcord roleplays police and decides to delete suspects account declaring nothing to see there
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/15/trump-rally-shooting-suspect-phone-fbi
>Phone cracked
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and as speculations have started to fly from all sides to all directions, lets add some stuff in that pile
>>374939
Another theory is that a minor section wanted to be more influential called the resources it has on call, but didn't want to pay an exorbitant price for a suicide mission so penny pinched to a minimum viable stooge. Or for a ritualistic purpose. Or for reputation.
Another theory is that a minor section wanted to be more influential called the resources it has on call, but didn't want to pay an exorbitant price for a suicide mission so penny pinched to a minimum viable stooge. Or for a ritualistic purpose. Or for reputation.
>>374928
>staged
>when literally people died
>when bullets have to fly in the general direction of the man
No matter how competent one is with a gun, both are just such massive coin flips that no sane human being/org would ever cook it up. Now who's the one all conspiracy-theorizing?
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that this whole event is genuinely divine intervention, cuz the reverberations knocking off the masks of these evil people all through the world borders on supernatural.
>staged
>when literally people died
>when bullets have to fly in the general direction of the man
No matter how competent one is with a gun, both are just such massive coin flips that no sane human being/org would ever cook it up. Now who's the one all conspiracy-theorizing?
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that this whole event is genuinely divine intervention, cuz the reverberations knocking off the masks of these evil people all through the world borders on supernatural.
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/07/18/former-classmate-shooter-insinuated-he-was-stupid-for-supporting-trump/
>another classmate said the shooter wasn't a loner and hung out with friend group that threatened to shoot up their school
>also was a know-it-all
>another classmate said the shooter wasn't a loner and hung out with friend group that threatened to shoot up their school
>also was a know-it-all
>>374963
Oy vey goy twelve millions? Wasn't it twleve thousands? Overcharging twelve hundreds?
How much was it Moshe?
As yes it was twleve uhhh shares.
It was some goys falt too.
We did it on the... twelfth.
Yes goy it's all just a big misunderstanding, nothing to see here.
Oy vey goy twelve millions? Wasn't it twleve thousands? Overcharging twelve hundreds?
How much was it Moshe?
As yes it was twleve uhhh shares.
It was some goys falt too.
We did it on the... twelfth.
Yes goy it's all just a big misunderstanding, nothing to see here.
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Time Magazine has removed the Evan Vucci picture of former President Trump from their upcoming issue, claiming it is "photoganda"
Combined with Wikipedia making frantic moves to ban any uploading or display of that image, I look forward to it becoming the photo that never happened and every effort being made to just delete it from reality.
Considering the massive newsstand surges of previous "Event Covers" such as 9/11, the Kennedy assassination, Princess Diana's funeral, etc., it is interesting that Time is willfully forfeiting tens of millions of dollars in revenue from checkout sales to stand by their political principles.
Axios has an interesting piece interviewing numerous journalists saying that Vucci was wrong to even release the photo and should have simply discarded it when he realized how much it would help Trump, but he is a freelancer and needed a paycheck
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/16/trump-shooting-photos-photographers-view
Combined with Wikipedia making frantic moves to ban any uploading or display of that image, I look forward to it becoming the photo that never happened and every effort being made to just delete it from reality.
Considering the massive newsstand surges of previous "Event Covers" such as 9/11, the Kennedy assassination, Princess Diana's funeral, etc., it is interesting that Time is willfully forfeiting tens of millions of dollars in revenue from checkout sales to stand by their political principles.
Axios has an interesting piece interviewing numerous journalists saying that Vucci was wrong to even release the photo and should have simply discarded it when he realized how much it would help Trump, but he is a freelancer and needed a paycheck
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/16/trump-shooting-photos-photographers-view
>>374855
Most points seconded. Any chucklefuck could have easily caused far worse. This entire situation is far too fluid to have been planned large scale in any manner.
Also fuck everyone at Uvalde and all acorn copniggers.
>>374876
THIS. zog is utter nepotism that encourages complete laziness, extreme ignorance, extreme arrogance, and blind devotion, combined with the ultimate inferiority-superiority conflict.
Most points seconded. Any chucklefuck could have easily caused far worse. This entire situation is far too fluid to have been planned large scale in any manner.
Also fuck everyone at Uvalde and all acorn copniggers.
>>374876
THIS. zog is utter nepotism that encourages complete laziness, extreme ignorance, extreme arrogance, and blind devotion, combined with the ultimate inferiority-superiority conflict.
>>374928
>Fucking Chatoyance here to bitch about the assassination attempt being a failure.
Faggot, you created a giant fanfiction series about ponies doing dystopian human-to-pony-conversion bullshit that was completely antithetical to the message of Friendship. You're one to fucking talk.
>Fucking Chatoyance here to bitch about the assassination attempt being a failure.
Faggot, you created a giant fanfiction series about ponies doing dystopian human-to-pony-conversion bullshit that was completely antithetical to the message of Friendship. You're one to fucking talk.
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Also, let me propose a quandry:
Donald Trump's assassin was either:
A. Competent, and it's a miracle divine jesus magic that he survived
B. Incompetent, and should feel bad, and omfg Donald got shot by this newb
Donald Trump's assassin was either:
A. Competent, and it's a miracle divine jesus magic that he survived
B. Incompetent, and should feel bad, and omfg Donald got shot by this newb
>>375019
False dichotomy, tbh. He had an incredibly clear shot. He didn't need to be competent to hit him.
False dichotomy, tbh. He had an incredibly clear shot. He didn't need to be competent to hit him.
>>375019
It was a combination of both, from what I've heard. The idiot in question was using an AR15 build that had an effective range of ~600 meters, so the shot wouldn't have been an issue if it was made by someone who could A) account for wind, and B) take a good shot instead of trying to wait for a perfect one.
It was a combination of both, from what I've heard. The idiot in question was using an AR15 build that had an effective range of ~600 meters, so the shot wouldn't have been an issue if it was made by someone who could A) account for wind, and B) take a good shot instead of trying to wait for a perfect one.
>>375021
Avoiding being shot in the head because of a split second turn of the head is pretty miraculous.
Avoiding being shot in the head because of a split second turn of the head is pretty miraculous.
>>375056
https://web.archive.org/web/20240718173413/https://austinprivatewealth.com/news-and-events
archive link to their news page having that announcement
https://web.archive.org/web/20240718173413/https://austinprivatewealth.com/news-and-events
archive link to their news page having that announcement
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>>375088
the "divine intervention" part comes from the shooter hesitating for half a second too long and the wind being just enough to blow the bullet off course into his ear. If he had been standing completely still on a day where there was no wind, even that incompetent idiot could've pulled off that shot.
the "divine intervention" part comes from the shooter hesitating for half a second too long and the wind being just enough to blow the bullet off course into his ear. If he had been standing completely still on a day where there was no wind, even that incompetent idiot could've pulled off that shot.
>>375091
Yes, I don't know why that's hard to understand. You can be mugged by a nincompoop who's never been in a fight in his life, but if he has a weapon you can still easily die to it.
Yes, I don't know why that's hard to understand. You can be mugged by a nincompoop who's never been in a fight in his life, but if he has a weapon you can still easily die to it.
>>375092
It is hard to understand divine intervention being necessary if the shooter was as incompetent as is being suggested.
I argue that divine inter-fucking-vention being entirely unnecessary if the shooter was incompetent. Competence means success, and if divine intervention is the difference between success and failure, then I dont know how you can argue incompetence.
It is hard to understand divine intervention being necessary if the shooter was as incompetent as is being suggested.
I argue that divine inter-fucking-vention being entirely unnecessary if the shooter was incompetent. Competence means success, and if divine intervention is the difference between success and failure, then I dont know how you can argue incompetence.
>>375091
the shooter was incompetent, yet knew enough of his own incompetency to try to compensate with choice of gun. after all, he took that first near-perfect shot and then sprayed into a crowd instead of going back to aim at Trump's center-mass
the shooter was incompetent, yet knew enough of his own incompetency to try to compensate with choice of gun. after all, he took that first near-perfect shot and then sprayed into a crowd instead of going back to aim at Trump's center-mass
>>375093
Then it's a matter of semantics. I'd argue that competence is not a synonym of success, since you can do everything perfectly (most people would call this competence) and still fail due to random chance. The shooter's lack of capability (what we are calling incompetence) and chance events both contributed to the miss. That's all we're saying.
Then it's a matter of semantics. I'd argue that competence is not a synonym of success, since you can do everything perfectly (most people would call this competence) and still fail due to random chance. The shooter's lack of capability (what we are calling incompetence) and chance events both contributed to the miss. That's all we're saying.
>>375099
You're jumping through alot of hoops there. How's about you admit that if God felt necessary to intervene then MAYBE - however improbably - that the shooter was more credible of a threat than is being acknowledged?
Simple. Did God change the trajectory of the bullet? Does God change the trajectory of bullets that aren't a threat?
At what point are you going to acknowledge that divine intervention rises to the level of extreme threat? Like, do you understand the concept of divine intervention?
You're jumping through alot of hoops there. How's about you admit that if God felt necessary to intervene then MAYBE - however improbably - that the shooter was more credible of a threat than is being acknowledged?
Simple. Did God change the trajectory of the bullet? Does God change the trajectory of bullets that aren't a threat?
At what point are you going to acknowledge that divine intervention rises to the level of extreme threat? Like, do you understand the concept of divine intervention?
>>375102
Anyone with a gun can be a threat. Like they say, "God made men, but John Moses Browning made men equal."
And when we say it's divine intervention, it can be a statement of faith or it can be hyperbole to describe an improbable event, depending on who's saying it. The only two things the shooter did incompetently (and I mean in terms of bad on-the-spot decisions) was that he didn't account for the wind and he aimed for the head rather than center mass. If he had done either of those things, then he would have hit his target. So yes, incompetence saved Donald Trump.
It's also a fact that despite the shooter's lack of proficiency, the bullet would have lethally hit Trump if Trump hadn't turned his head in a split second. This was sheer luck, or, as one might put it, "divine intervention." So Trump was saved by that too.
All of these factors had to be combined for Trump to survive, and so it's fair to use both terms.
Anyone with a gun can be a threat. Like they say, "God made men, but John Moses Browning made men equal."
And when we say it's divine intervention, it can be a statement of faith or it can be hyperbole to describe an improbable event, depending on who's saying it. The only two things the shooter did incompetently (and I mean in terms of bad on-the-spot decisions) was that he didn't account for the wind and he aimed for the head rather than center mass. If he had done either of those things, then he would have hit his target. So yes, incompetence saved Donald Trump.
It's also a fact that despite the shooter's lack of proficiency, the bullet would have lethally hit Trump if Trump hadn't turned his head in a split second. This was sheer luck, or, as one might put it, "divine intervention." So Trump was saved by that too.
All of these factors had to be combined for Trump to survive, and so it's fair to use both terms.
>>375103
Yes, that is precisely the double-think I was talking about.
>sweating_hero_button_meme.png
<God intervened in Trump's assassination
>Trump's assassin was incompetent, except for God's intervention
Yes, that is precisely the double-think I was talking about.
>sweating_hero_button_meme.png
<God intervened in Trump's assassination
>Trump's assassin was incompetent, except for God's intervention
>>375019
Pause. You have too limited of options.
A. Competent, no miracle.
B. Incompetent, no miracle.
C. Competent, miracle.
D. Incompetent, miracle.
These are too broadstroke but let's explore them anyway.
A) Can hit a target shooter had publicly known little training has enough experience to compensate for various factors.
The target turning and leaning just at the right time and with at least neutral wind conditions.
Target lives due to forseen factors taken into consideration, the behavior and movement accounted for till a random impulse through off the expected behavior. Possible foreseen or unforseen side effects of drugs kicked/kicking in.
Other various errors accumulate. Possibly arising too fast to be accounted for at the moment of execution.
B. Ree Tardy Oswald had everything going alright, for some reason the left-wing media is there, getting into position and just staring at the sniper looking right at him and scaring off a police. So far it's a breeze. Perfect moment too for a lucky perfect shot.
Annnnd, failed. The target using chromosome kung-fu read the itchy finger of the extra chromosomes to look better at a powerpoint to add insult to injury, lining up for multiple photogenic operations.
C. God knows all this, just have the target move a tiny bit. As the shooter had totally cemented his decision, and point out that shot is technically a perfect shot.
D. It's C, but I'll add fun posting. Jonah burning on the roof went to go send a message, and did a bit of malicious compliance. Instead of using words it'll be with a manufactured stone propelled with fire. God seeing the alternative messaging system decides to help him out a bit and give him the ear so the message can be more readily heard.
In a fury of actuality doing the point of sending a message but failed in the malicious compliance keeps shooting.
Giving a slap on the cheek as the last message of declaring all bets are off. The rounds hit the bystanders. One's a punch in the gut dropping the message off quick, the next ones have near fatal repercussions. Stopping the fire fight a figher fighter stopped a bullet. Earning some rest from the upcoming shitstorm.
There's quite a lot of flexibility and where the scope grows or concentrates.
E adding some schizo logic. This wasn't a hit piece on the president, but to target the fire chief and other targets behind the aforementioned president. By barely missing attention is fully diverted to the very successful hit disguised as a botched assassination. Unless it was supposed be someone else in which case very bad hitjob.
>>375104
Don't try to limit how God can intervene He does the highest quality shitposts, jokes and prevention.
Pause. You have too limited of options.
A. Competent, no miracle.
B. Incompetent, no miracle.
C. Competent, miracle.
D. Incompetent, miracle.
These are too broadstroke but let's explore them anyway.
A) Can hit a target shooter had publicly known little training has enough experience to compensate for various factors.
The target turning and leaning just at the right time and with at least neutral wind conditions.
Target lives due to forseen factors taken into consideration, the behavior and movement accounted for till a random impulse through off the expected behavior. Possible foreseen or unforseen side effects of drugs kicked/kicking in.
Other various errors accumulate. Possibly arising too fast to be accounted for at the moment of execution.
B. Ree Tardy Oswald had everything going alright, for some reason the left-wing media is there, getting into position and just staring at the sniper looking right at him and scaring off a police. So far it's a breeze. Perfect moment too for a lucky perfect shot.
Annnnd, failed. The target using chromosome kung-fu read the itchy finger of the extra chromosomes to look better at a powerpoint to add insult to injury, lining up for multiple photogenic operations.
C. God knows all this, just have the target move a tiny bit. As the shooter had totally cemented his decision, and point out that shot is technically a perfect shot.
D. It's C, but I'll add fun posting. Jonah burning on the roof went to go send a message, and did a bit of malicious compliance. Instead of using words it'll be with a manufactured stone propelled with fire. God seeing the alternative messaging system decides to help him out a bit and give him the ear so the message can be more readily heard.
In a fury of actuality doing the point of sending a message but failed in the malicious compliance keeps shooting.
Giving a slap on the cheek as the last message of declaring all bets are off. The rounds hit the bystanders. One's a punch in the gut dropping the message off quick, the next ones have near fatal repercussions. Stopping the fire fight a figher fighter stopped a bullet. Earning some rest from the upcoming shitstorm.
There's quite a lot of flexibility and where the scope grows or concentrates.
E adding some schizo logic. This wasn't a hit piece on the president, but to target the fire chief and other targets behind the aforementioned president. By barely missing attention is fully diverted to the very successful hit disguised as a botched assassination. Unless it was supposed be someone else in which case very bad hitjob.
>>375104
Don't try to limit how God can intervene He does the highest quality shitposts, jokes and prevention.
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Here is where my coin is now. Basically he was lone nut, but with a twist.
Starting from this >>374965 , if that means that he was part of this >>374784 then it would make this also very viable part >>374782 . So from this he was most likely having main character syndrome from that school shooting hurrdurr when someone else went to jail for it. Then it has been getting worse by shitposting in circlejerk holes where idiots go. Eventually delusions grew to point that it was time to do his real life action movie starring. As there were news that he was scouting and going around venue well before event and not stopped that time, most likely made everything worse. Then comes the day where he will shoot former president and do miraculous escape afterwards, by blowing up explosives as distraction or something. He is crawling on roof and he can hear people yelling that there is guy on roof, but no-one is stopping him so it affirms to him that he is main character. Now he is taking aim and haven't felt more excited ever before and of course he is going for head shot as that's what is coolest shot, just like in action movie. Then Trump suddenly turns his head and he pulls on trigger on reflex. Shot misses, his heart sinks and he tries to shoot more with no aim, before bullet slams into his head and story ends. True nose ending >>374651 (There are lots and lots of studies of jews having all kind on mental problems).
So effectively he was lone nut executing his "perfect plan" with no outside assistance or grooming, from his viewpoint that is. So here comes the twist.
From that school shooting threat time he was already totally on radar and under surveillance. And all his retardation was followed down to fated day. So there is someone that is going to be taking shot at high profile target without any grooming. So basically some incompetent idiot thought that this is perfect crime material and decided to green light this attempt. So what this means is that then on purpose security was told to effectively be very unresponsive by giving instructions that be very very sure that you are right before taking any action and other possible instructions that would distract security oriented from not paying attention to things they should and act on them fast (like giving instruction to only pay attention to middle aged and older men). So basically why retard first had free roaming with his scouting and then when shit goes down he had free movement to act. So it doesn't really require everyone in security detail to be in plan. And honestly Trump SS detail pretty much looked like as most expendable meat shields SS can could find from its ranks that day.
Problem then is that incompetent idiot that green lighted whole shit got greedy and has more incompetent idiot friends who spread inside info, resulting to anomalies in reporting activity and predatory attempts at money.
This basically fits into observations aside of incompetent idiots side as that is still black box and all factual data is observing how security acted.
Then other fun stuff that came out of this, like Iranian influence and explosives. Why did he have explosives and remote detonator and where did he get them? So here is my asspull on these, this was what they thought to be their grand cover for things, Trump getting killed by some Iranian influenced guy in revenge or something, badbimbadaboom, war in Iran. Basically their perfect plan would had required Trump to get killed, then kid get killed and explosives to go off to emphasize on terror aspect. Effectively suspect had detonator, but no-one said its only detonator, so it wouldn't matter if retard gets brains splattered before he manages to make explosives go off. Also incompetent retards gone all in, so now they have lot of greedy shit to clean up.
>CNN still running with it
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/16/politics/iran-plot-assassinate-trump-secret-service/index.html
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/17/iran-blasts-us-accusations-of-trump-assassination
Starting from this >>374965 , if that means that he was part of this >>374784 then it would make this also very viable part >>374782 . So from this he was most likely having main character syndrome from that school shooting hurrdurr when someone else went to jail for it. Then it has been getting worse by shitposting in circlejerk holes where idiots go. Eventually delusions grew to point that it was time to do his real life action movie starring. As there were news that he was scouting and going around venue well before event and not stopped that time, most likely made everything worse. Then comes the day where he will shoot former president and do miraculous escape afterwards, by blowing up explosives as distraction or something. He is crawling on roof and he can hear people yelling that there is guy on roof, but no-one is stopping him so it affirms to him that he is main character. Now he is taking aim and haven't felt more excited ever before and of course he is going for head shot as that's what is coolest shot, just like in action movie. Then Trump suddenly turns his head and he pulls on trigger on reflex. Shot misses, his heart sinks and he tries to shoot more with no aim, before bullet slams into his head and story ends. True nose ending >>374651 (There are lots and lots of studies of jews having all kind on mental problems).
So effectively he was lone nut executing his "perfect plan" with no outside assistance or grooming, from his viewpoint that is. So here comes the twist.
From that school shooting threat time he was already totally on radar and under surveillance. And all his retardation was followed down to fated day. So there is someone that is going to be taking shot at high profile target without any grooming. So basically some incompetent idiot thought that this is perfect crime material and decided to green light this attempt. So what this means is that then on purpose security was told to effectively be very unresponsive by giving instructions that be very very sure that you are right before taking any action and other possible instructions that would distract security oriented from not paying attention to things they should and act on them fast (like giving instruction to only pay attention to middle aged and older men). So basically why retard first had free roaming with his scouting and then when shit goes down he had free movement to act. So it doesn't really require everyone in security detail to be in plan. And honestly Trump SS detail pretty much looked like as most expendable meat shields SS can could find from its ranks that day.
Problem then is that incompetent idiot that green lighted whole shit got greedy and has more incompetent idiot friends who spread inside info, resulting to anomalies in reporting activity and predatory attempts at money.
This basically fits into observations aside of incompetent idiots side as that is still black box and all factual data is observing how security acted.
Then other fun stuff that came out of this, like Iranian influence and explosives. Why did he have explosives and remote detonator and where did he get them? So here is my asspull on these, this was what they thought to be their grand cover for things, Trump getting killed by some Iranian influenced guy in revenge or something, badbimbadaboom, war in Iran. Basically their perfect plan would had required Trump to get killed, then kid get killed and explosives to go off to emphasize on terror aspect. Effectively suspect had detonator, but no-one said its only detonator, so it wouldn't matter if retard gets brains splattered before he manages to make explosives go off. Also incompetent retards gone all in, so now they have lot of greedy shit to clean up.
>CNN still running with it
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/16/politics/iran-plot-assassinate-trump-secret-service/index.html
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/17/iran-blasts-us-accusations-of-trump-assassination
>>375105
A. Evidence does not support
B. Evidence supports
C. Evidence does not support UNLESS you're following that 4chan thread I posted
D. Evidence supports in 1/14000605 cases
Btw, Im surprised no one has memed/shooped that sniper scene from Limitless with Trump yet
A. Evidence does not support
B. Evidence supports
C. Evidence does not support UNLESS you're following that 4chan thread I posted
D. Evidence supports in 1/14000605 cases
Btw, Im surprised no one has memed/shooped that sniper scene from Limitless with Trump yet
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Ooh, the plot thickens!
https://youtu.be/baJPnJMN5eE?si=0R9IIqFtYfyoZKJg
Kinda long, but new info
>eyewitnesses refer to a shooter on the water tower, as well as another alleged shooter at the gymnasium
>hey, whats that camo guy doing while theyre pulling Trump away?
https://youtu.be/baJPnJMN5eE?si=0R9IIqFtYfyoZKJg
Kinda long, but new info
>eyewitnesses refer to a shooter on the water tower, as well as another alleged shooter at the gymnasium
>hey, whats that camo guy doing while theyre pulling Trump away?
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>>374955
new stuff about suspects phone
https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/hyh2wjsur
One 404media article tells that:
>"All android phones except phones whose operating system is still Android 6 (but not a newer version) and Pixel phone models 6, 7 and 8, if their power has been turned off. On Apple's side, Cellebrite cannot hack into iPhones with iOS 17.4 or later."
new stuff about suspects phone
https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/hyh2wjsur
One 404media article tells that:
>"All android phones except phones whose operating system is still Android 6 (but not a newer version) and Pixel phone models 6, 7 and 8, if their power has been turned off. On Apple's side, Cellebrite cannot hack into iPhones with iOS 17.4 or later."
>>375118
So clarification to this, link is about software FBI used to get access to phone. And after that was supposed to be another link to 404Media article that tells what phones said software works on, but link kept giving me "spam detected" so result was that.
So clarification to this, link is about software FBI used to get access to phone. And after that was supposed to be another link to 404Media article that tells what phones said software works on, but link kept giving me "spam detected" so result was that.
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>>375118
>except phones whose operating system is still Android 6
Well, I'm pretty sure you don't even need a paid software for that. Not that there's still that many phones running marshmallow anyways.
>Cellebrite cannot hack into iPhones with iOS 17.4 or later.
<4 now.
Phone security moves at a blindingly fast pace when compared to desktops/laptops. I'm still shocked at how Unlocktool, Chimeratool and those "magic box" companies have been able to keep their business tightly under their control, without much if any opposition.
>except phones whose operating system is still Android 6
Well, I'm pretty sure you don't even need a paid software for that. Not that there's still that many phones running marshmallow anyways.
>Cellebrite cannot hack into iPhones with iOS 17.4 or later.
<4 now.
Phone security moves at a blindingly fast pace when compared to desktops/laptops. I'm still shocked at how Unlocktool, Chimeratool and those "magic box" companies have been able to keep their business tightly under their control, without much if any opposition.
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>>375106
Wrong. He's a (((pure blood))), RE: inbred kike, from a family of kikes, that historically were bankers throughout Ireland and Scotland. Visited pissrael several times too.
Wrong. He's a (((pure blood))), RE: inbred kike, from a family of kikes, that historically were bankers throughout Ireland and Scotland. Visited pissrael several times too.
>>375151
A disturbing quantity of creatures on social media have this idea that Trump apparently deserved it cuz of this bullshit among others. I get that it's difficult to sympathize with politicians with disagreeable ideas, but damn.
As much as I consider Biden and faggots like Gavin Newsom fucking walking disasters, I really cannot stomach wishing/condoning death and suffering on them, let alone voicing them out loud. I'm very concerned that these kinds of people are one bad day from becoming literal terrorists.
A disturbing quantity of creatures on social media have this idea that Trump apparently deserved it cuz of this bullshit among others. I get that it's difficult to sympathize with politicians with disagreeable ideas, but damn.
As much as I consider Biden and faggots like Gavin Newsom fucking walking disasters, I really cannot stomach wishing/condoning death and suffering on them, let alone voicing them out loud. I'm very concerned that these kinds of people are one bad day from becoming literal terrorists.
>A disturbing quantity of creatures on social media have this idea that Trump apparently deserved it cuz of this bullshit among others
There are millions of Americans who are taught by their highschools and universities that to vote for Trump is to vote for the murder, lynching, and torture of random innocent people. Sociology classes and such can not be passed without advocating against even mundane policies such as voter I.D because in the same $400 textbooks they establish that to agree with such a policy means you agree with FASCISM, and GENOCIDE, and being a THREAT TO DEMOCRACY among other bullshit.
>I wish stop children from being put on puberty blockers.
<You want to kill trans kids then, because if they don't have blockers they will kill themselves. killing you would stop you from killing LGTBQIA2+ children.
>I wish to deport border-hopping drug dealers.
<You must want to round up Mexican children (because of their skin color) and throw them in concentration camps then, because these traffikers have kids and moving drugs is the only way they know how to support them. Killing you would stop you from killing Latinx babies and marginalized dreamers
>Want to secure law-abiding citizen right to bear arms?
<Obviously that means you support Adam Lanza, and are OK with arming anyone else who wants to commit mass murder. Killing you would stop you from killing many people by proxy
It sounds stupidly simple and obtuse, but that's the reality these people believe. In their eyes, we're the violent people and we've already made our first strikes, so their violence is reactionary - self-defensive even. With trump you can also factor in all the other strains of Communism and the various mutations of millennial whining. "He's rich, so we must eat him. He was president when COVID-19 killed six million so we must hold him accountable. He speaks loud and with a smile like my dad does so we must defy him".
>I'm very concerned that these kinds of people are one bad day from becoming literal terrorists.
The kid on the roof didn't even have any history of radicalization. No manifesto, no grand scheme. It's likely he was just another academically-instructed Liberal who caught wind that EVIL FUHRER DARK DONALD would be coming to town so he did what he was taught was the right thing to do on a whim. We're lucky most of these self-righteous martyrs are too doped up at all times to actually go out and do more.
There are millions of Americans who are taught by their highschools and universities that to vote for Trump is to vote for the murder, lynching, and torture of random innocent people. Sociology classes and such can not be passed without advocating against even mundane policies such as voter I.D because in the same $400 textbooks they establish that to agree with such a policy means you agree with FASCISM, and GENOCIDE, and being a THREAT TO DEMOCRACY among other bullshit.
>I wish stop children from being put on puberty blockers.
<You want to kill trans kids then, because if they don't have blockers they will kill themselves. killing you would stop you from killing LGTBQIA2+ children.
>I wish to deport border-hopping drug dealers.
<You must want to round up Mexican children (because of their skin color) and throw them in concentration camps then, because these traffikers have kids and moving drugs is the only way they know how to support them. Killing you would stop you from killing Latinx babies and marginalized dreamers
>Want to secure law-abiding citizen right to bear arms?
<Obviously that means you support Adam Lanza, and are OK with arming anyone else who wants to commit mass murder. Killing you would stop you from killing many people by proxy
It sounds stupidly simple and obtuse, but that's the reality these people believe. In their eyes, we're the violent people and we've already made our first strikes, so their violence is reactionary - self-defensive even. With trump you can also factor in all the other strains of Communism and the various mutations of millennial whining. "He's rich, so we must eat him. He was president when COVID-19 killed six million so we must hold him accountable. He speaks loud and with a smile like my dad does so we must defy him".
>I'm very concerned that these kinds of people are one bad day from becoming literal terrorists.
The kid on the roof didn't even have any history of radicalization. No manifesto, no grand scheme. It's likely he was just another academically-instructed Liberal who caught wind that EVIL FUHRER DARK DONALD would be coming to town so he did what he was taught was the right thing to do on a whim. We're lucky most of these self-righteous martyrs are too doped up at all times to actually go out and do more.
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SWEETIEPOSTING IS BACK
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>Secret Service Says It Denied Earlier Trump Requests for More Federal Resources
>In a reversal, a spokesman said the service had turned down requests from former President Donald J. Trump’s team over the past two years, though he said the requests did not include the recent rally in Pennsylvania.
>The Secret Service acknowledged on Saturday that it had turned down requests for additional federal resources sought by former President Donald J. Trump’s security detail in the two years leading up to his attempted assassination last week, a reversal from earlier statements by the agency denying that such requests had been rebuffed.
>Almost immediately after a gunman shot at Mr. Trump from a nearby warehouse roof while he spoke at a rally in Butler, Pa., last weekend, the Secret Service faced accusations from Republicans and anonymous law enforcement officials that it had turned down requests for additional agents to secure Mr. Trump’s rallies.
>“There’s an untrue assertion that a member of the former president’s team requested additional resources and that those were rebuffed,” Anthony Guglielmi, a spokesman for the Secret Service, said last Sunday, the day after the shooting.
>On Saturday, Mr. Guglielmi acknowledged that the Secret Service had turned down some requests for additional federal security assets for Mr. Trump’s detail. Two people briefed on the matter, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly, confirmed that the Trump campaign had been seeking additional resources for the better part of the time that Mr. Trump had been out of office. The denied requests for additional resources were not specifically for the rally in Butler, Mr. Guglielmi said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/20/us/politics/secret-service-trump-shooting.html
https://archive.is/psyDw
>In a reversal, a spokesman said the service had turned down requests from former President Donald J. Trump’s team over the past two years, though he said the requests did not include the recent rally in Pennsylvania.
>The Secret Service acknowledged on Saturday that it had turned down requests for additional federal resources sought by former President Donald J. Trump’s security detail in the two years leading up to his attempted assassination last week, a reversal from earlier statements by the agency denying that such requests had been rebuffed.
>Almost immediately after a gunman shot at Mr. Trump from a nearby warehouse roof while he spoke at a rally in Butler, Pa., last weekend, the Secret Service faced accusations from Republicans and anonymous law enforcement officials that it had turned down requests for additional agents to secure Mr. Trump’s rallies.
>“There’s an untrue assertion that a member of the former president’s team requested additional resources and that those were rebuffed,” Anthony Guglielmi, a spokesman for the Secret Service, said last Sunday, the day after the shooting.
>On Saturday, Mr. Guglielmi acknowledged that the Secret Service had turned down some requests for additional federal security assets for Mr. Trump’s detail. Two people briefed on the matter, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly, confirmed that the Trump campaign had been seeking additional resources for the better part of the time that Mr. Trump had been out of office. The denied requests for additional resources were not specifically for the rally in Butler, Mr. Guglielmi said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/20/us/politics/secret-service-trump-shooting.html
https://archive.is/psyDw
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>people still saying it was staged
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