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Among the biggest societal symptoms of narcissists and narcissism is the inappropriate degree to which narcissistic manipulation has infected dominance hierarchies, replacing competence and integrity with cronyism and self/group-serving and protecting behaviors, where the needs of the team/faction outweigh the interests of the group as a whole. A person can be the most functional and diligent participant in a group, and still find themselves ostracized, maligned, and defamed simply for not aligning with the interest of a/the narcissist and those in thrall, regardless of how effectively their efforts align with the group's professed intent.
>pic related
/mlpol/ can readily observe this dynamic in places such as derpibooru and even 4chan its self, even without knowing the names and identities of the players, as well as far more obvious examples such as news and media. Hell, even Congress has 'the squad', which while being a largely ineffective attempt at making/maintaining such a dynamic still indicates an attempt to exalt a small group above others while being a highly illegitimate 'authority'.
Narcissism is everywhere and has infected every aspect of society without exception, and my premise is that one can only hope to navigate all of it with knowledge (and it is my hope that experience be unnecessary).

So let's go over the basics.
What is narcissism
Narcissism - often confused with self love relating to Narcissus of Greek lore - is typified by a few characteristics. The first and foremost is the perception that everything the narcissist does is justified, reasonable, and appropriate, even when a preponderance of evidence indicates otherwise. To a narcissist, the ends always justify the means, and no abuse of propriety, rules, norms, etc. can change or upset that position. Additionally, narcissists display an observable lack of empathy (though they can be seen to affect the appearance of empathy in their manipulations).
It is important to point out that there are unclassifiable types of narcissists due to their behavior patterns, and this thread is particularly focused toward the malignant narcissist; the person who will coerce your behavior through threats, demands, and decrees, and will gladly/readily punish you in covert/overt ways in response to any 'misbehavior'.
Narcissists are inherently lacking in self esteem, which is largely why they seek to control other's behaviors as the ability to and perpetuity of manipulation gratified and justifies any control methods employed. If the narcissist 'knows better' than others (without qualification) then 'of course' it is right and proper that they dictate to others. However, a narcissist's insinuation of control often has little/nothing to do with their ability and competence as a leader and more to do with their complete aversion to NOT being in control. The third video highlights how narcissists are the result of adverse circumstances beyond their control at one or more points in their development, however this does not justify predatory behavior on others in the aftermath.

To summarize then, narcissism is a mix of things. It begins as a coping strategy designed to minimize adversity in a person's experience. Along the way, in whatever capacity it devolves into the perception that only through direct control of a situation can it be likewise controlled in order to eliminate negative consequences to the narcissist. In short, narcissism isnt about self-love, it's about selfish predisposition to one's own interests and desires, to the direct exclusion of those not similarly aligned, and we unto those who defy the narcissist, because in many cases NOTHING is off the table.

>>3867
It's certainly logical. People with bloated egos are naturally drawn to positions of power over others, however small that power may be.

>>3913
While that's true, narcissism goes way beyond bloated ego. If one hasnt experienced one (with the 'mask' off) it can be difficult to imagine. These are people for whom the only 'rule' that exists is 'what they want is justified' (no matter how unjustifiable). Often what that amounts to is power, control, and a steady supply of thralls but at the heart of it is a very fragile and easily upset sense of self which once upset triggers a feeling of self-loathing for which a narcissist will do anything and everything to be rid of; nothing is off the table. Their feelings are ultimately what drives them, and the elimination of bad feelings means FAR more to them than whatever injuries and damage they cause to others.

Now let's take a moment to look at Narcissist enablers (I call them thralls, but enablers is the technical term)
[YouTube] 6 things narcissist enablers say to you [Embed]

I don't really understand what you're trying to say. Are you trying to give tips on how to resist narcissists from manipulating you?

I already reject simping, e-celebs, etc. What power does a narcissist have over chad rule 8?

>>3924
The intent is to make available a selection of videos and concepts so that anon can avoid being manipulated by a narcissist, as well as engage in any relevant discussion.
People are often conditioned and/or coerced into rationalizing a narcissist's manipulations and behavior as being less onerous than it is, and will subject themselves to this behavior at no benefit and often more or less injury without even knowing it. Imagine a person who likes to play tennis. They know a person who has their own tennis court and has a regular group that they play with. Now imagine that another tennis court is made available. Some players like the idea of playing more tennis, but the original court owner is a narcissiat.
The narcissist doesnt like the idea of competition, they are rather offended and insulted by it, and may display a series of behaviors. They might forbid any in their active group from playing at this new tennis court. They might send one of their enablers/flying monkeys to spy on the other group and report back anything that goes on, or they might even try to directly (or through proxies) sabotage the other tennis court/group.
In this scenario, the issue is not one of tennis, the issue is the narcissist's pride and entitlement, and the duplicitous and observably inappropriate behaviors and expectations they are wont to employ.
But the bigger issue is not the narcissist's behavior, it's the response from the other tennis players. Some of them may not realize or recognize the behavior as inappropriate, or perhaps some of them do but are more afraid of the narcissist's reaction should they confront them.
In this scenario the connection to the narcissist is not as severe as say a sibling or a parent, but many people (being that depending on geography narcissism has a prevalence of 5-40%) have already been conditioned by a narcissistic person to view this dynamic as 'normal', and may accept these manipulations later in life. Unless exposed to informative material, a person can go their entire lives at the behest and under the thumb of one or more narcissists, resulting in all manner of physical and emotional/psychological injuries throughout. Naturally a person is responsible for their own choices, but at the very least it does no one any harm (excepting the narcissist) to be more well-versed on the topic especially for individuals who may be entirely nescient through no fault of their own.
Thank you for asking
[YouTube] The 5 types of narcissistic parents [Embed]
[YouTube] Narcissistic siblings [Embed]
>Chad rules
Unless you're referencing a different set of rules, I fail to see how limiting exposure to women later in the week (unless sex is guaranteed) has any bearing on the topic.

This video more precisely addresses what I was trying to get at in my previous post. Theres literally hundreds of videos, so please bear with
[YouTube] This cognitive trap keeps people stuck in relationships with narcissists [Embed]

What causes narcicism?
I'm aware of NPD, but can it also be caused by bad upbringing?

>>3927
A very good question. Rarely do narcissists come from a completely viable upbringing. In some cases they were conditioned by a narcissistic parent or caregiver, in other instances they were in an otherwise healthy environment that was lacking in one or more aspects. There's no cut and dry 'if X then narcissist' equation, at least not that is available by contemporary analysis.
But at its core, narcissism is a behavior pattern and disposition that tends to emerge as a result of a conditioning phase (whether childhood or even into adulthood) that was adverse and unhealthy. What that means is, narcissism is its self an attempt at a self defense mechanism. Having said, when it comes to a point where a person A. feels entitled to, and B. actively manipulates, controls, undermines, gaslight, etc. those they interact with that the relationship becomes toxic/predatory.
In short, narcissists are themselves the product of troubled (but often to the outsider appearing 'normal' or even admirable) upbringing, who then conclude that in the pursuit of avoiding negative feelings/emotions, they are justified in causing trouble for others.
[YouTube] How a Narcissist is Created [Embed]

[YouTube] The narcissist and the straw that breaks the camel's back [Embed]
[YouTube] What are "boundaries"? (Glossary of Narcissistic Relationships) [Embed]
The ultimate tool to navigating and mitigating a narcissistic relationship really boils down to boundaries and enforcement. A person ought to be very firm in their resolution/conviction of what is acceptable and appropriate, AND be willing to either leave the situation or confront it head on. 'When' a person reaches that point varies by individual and temperament, and people with a recognizable history of narcissistic abuse are often the most sensitive and quick to address/confront later instances involving narcissists.
And of course, depending on the degree of control/influence a narcissist has in a given context, that confrontation can often result in the complete dismissal or loss of status/position for the person confronting it. In a workplace for example, a person who confronts a narcissistic co-worker or boss is all but guaranteed to be gaslit, undermined, and defamed to all the people the narcissist has in their grip, resulting in unfair disciplinary practices, demotions, and even termination (and in a few cases, legal action) simply for setting and enforcing clear, stable, and reasonable boundaries.

[YouTube] What happens to the scapegoat in adulthood? [Embed]
Im'a keep posting these. With any luck they only pertain to my experience, but on a statistical level I highly doubt it

>>3944
Experience? Do share.

>>3945
Father is a covert narcissist, mother was a codependent enabler who spent most days passed out drunk, older brother was physically abusive with no respect for boundaries who was also a golden child (so why would he?) and me being the scapegoat/black sheep. My role was cemented in place because I quite embarrassingly (social/family reputation and all) went and got physically/sexually abused by a caregiver for most of a year at age 4, who had developed unaddressed narcissism/low-functioning sociopathy because she had been likewise physically/sexually abused by her father as a child.

[YouTube] The #1 Way To Identify A Narcissist [Embed]
Here's another guy. Hes got a PHD in psychology and works as a psychotherapist with emphasis on narcissism. He tends to ramble a bit more than Dr. Ramani, but his content is decent.

[YouTube] 8 Cues Narcissists Watch For As They Seek Narcissistic Supply [Embed]
And one more for good measure

>>3866
How can i tell if i'm a narcissist?

>>3957
Easily. Do you want to be a good person?

>>3958
Yea i do

>>3958
No, this is anything but an actionable criteria. This seems like the watered down criteria by which a person excuses themselves from narcissism 'cuz some guy on the internet said it'.
>>3958
Tough question. Theres no easy answer or quick rubric by which to gauge.
The problem is one of perspective. Let's take >>3958 this perspective for example.
A narcissist sees their intentions and desires as being 'good', thus any person who aspires to the same ends that they aspire to would appear 'good', and summarily any who detract from the narcissist are 'bad'. Therefore, perception is an insufficient guideline hy which to gauge or refute narcissism.
If I (and you, no offense) were being honest, how many attempts have you made to manipulate and control othera' behavior? To what degree have you manipulated and/or conditioned others to comply with your will?
The biggest eliminator of narcissism as a possibility is the degree to which a person will accept and allow ignominy/dishonor, from a socialized standpoint. Narcissists cant bear for their reputation/social-image to be tarnished, and wont abide being alone (because alone means no narcissistic supply). Social perception is directly tied to a narcissist's
Self image, which when threatened is probably the BEST indicator.

If/when things dont go your way, do you respond by restricting/demanding from others? Have you ever used your dissatisfaction of a situation as a justification to impose unacceptable limits or expectations on others?
If we're being honest, and again I mean no offense hy this line of inquiry, how often has YOUR satisfaction depeneded on the compliance of others? Does compliance even enter into your worldview?

Tl;dr. Rigorous honesty. Narcissists are ALL about rationalization (not to say that non-narcs dont display uhm,.. 'mental blind spots' for their own machinations and agendas), so the best test one can self-impose pertains to one's own bullshit. If one is willing/able to fearlessly address their own failings without resorting to excuses, rationale, or other tactics, it's a good sign of an absence of narcissism. I could point to other traits, but can't articulate them in a manner that doesnt offer an easy out for a narcissist.

Heres a bigger and more generalized rhetorical question. When adverse situations arise, how often is it 'someone else's fault'? Taking and owning responsibility is something that a narcissist can only appear to do. Personal integrity is key.

Whoops, second citation was supposed to be directed at >>3957

>>3960
Further to my point
[YouTube] Affirmations You Won't Hear From a Gaslighting Narcissist [Embed]

[YouTube] Is your dad a narcissist? [Embed]
Fin

Hello, everyone! Have I posted in this thread before?

>>3866
It's not the narcissists here, it's you, you sick sonofabitch. You just attack all these "narcissists" because you, shall we say, looked at the mirror a bit too much yourself and let some jew doctor finish the job? Now you've really been backed into a corner here, because if you stop attacking people to get a momentary hit of relief from the psychic pain you're most certainly going through, you're gonna have to follow through with that little plan you've been thinking about, the one that involves you sucking on lead instead of your next cock?

Isn't that right Ninjas? The truth hurts, doesn't it buddy. But the clock's still ticking, pal. This isn't a question you can run from; not for much longer anyway. Are you gonna do the right thing, or are you gonna wipe yourself from the planet and try to take as many people closest to you as you can? With the way things have been going, I'd put my money on your continuance in taking the latter option. But I guess I'm open to being surprised. Stranger things have indeed happened than a self-professed nazi tranny. Than a militant troon getting himself out of dire straits.

And hey. If you don't like someone going out of their way to help you, please. Keep it to yourself. You might have convinced yourself with surging levels of E that you're the one helping people here, but if you ever did get off of it, I think you'd take a more realistic perspective of what's going on. You're trying to fix people like a naggy woman would and are basically just trying to fuck with their emotions and bust their nuts, but with the rage stemming from that problem I've alluded to up above you're not able to act like a lady would and keep her peace at the very least on occasion. Which kind of goes with the territory of "straddling the line gets you nowhere," that sort of thing. But I suppose you could've already guessed that one, what with your general disposition and all.

I hate your fucking guts, you're the scum of the earth as far as I'm concerned, the worst of the worst. Degenerate and sadomasochist beyond measure. But I assume like everyone else here does, I respect that you've got a screw loose and are generally pissed off enough to make implicit threats here and there, dig into your deep well of rage about some poor decision you made alongside the excuse that you don't like the cut of someone's jib. Unstable mentally speaking, pretty much. All in all I can most definitely say that it's been a massive displeasure ever knowing you and I very well hope that this is the last time we ever have any contact with each other whatsoever. At this point I couldn't care less what you do as far as getting better or joining the 41% is concerned, and I suppose that's saying quite a lot. To put it lightly. I'd rather you hurry up and skip the foreplay, but I guess that's not really up to me.

Well, good luck, I guess. Or not. This is the point where I'd say it'd been nice knowing you, but, you know. It's been anything but.

>>4370
You get angry at OP for overplaying the effects of narcissism, but you seem to have taken this thread awfully personally... Curious.

>>4370
I feel like youre having trouble opening up, that youre putting up walls to avoid speaking your mind. Its okay anon, you can say what you really feel

>>4370
What the fuck nigger. It's been 60 days more or less. Unless you're referencing something else.
Go here next time
>>2676 →
Then reference the post(s) or something. Otherwise it's a shot in the dark. Or don't.

>>4370
>>4373
Imagine having an ego so fragile that you'd bump a thread that hasn't been posted to in two months, because you can't handle the thought that you might be narcissistic.

From the screenshot just posted at >>>/mlpol/320710 →

>>4377
mixed nuts 2. I had expressed an interest in it being deleted several months ago, but it wasnt until I started openly naming narcissists (and an oddly intervening time period) that it seems to have finally been deleted.
How odd, the archive for /vx/ doesnt seem to be operating. It couldnt be that I said some things in that thread that individuals want not to be seen. It probably isnt, but its still 'funny' that the archive seems to have neglected /vx/. It works for /üb/, I cant imagine what the issue could be.
But enough of that, this thread is about narcissists and narcissism and as OP (he's not wrong) I do a disservice by engaging derailing conversations and inquiry.

>>4379
Four seconds to go to the “search” bar, type in “mixed nuts 2,” and click on the most recent result.
https://mlpol.net/vx/145842#145842

Addendum
After painting myself 6 shades of idiot, I have to publicly acknowledge several oversights, including that mixed nuts 2 is not gone. I wont attempt to excuse the fault, Ill just acknowedge it and move on, while retracting the premature speculation that resulted.

>>4374
Me >>4373 and other Anon >>4370 are different users.
There wasn't much for me to say itt. Uhhh Political Ponerology is nice to know.

>>4383
Wifi fuckery atm

>>4439
What the fuck?
I know Rand said these fuckers want us to die more than they want to live and want us to starve more than they want to eat, but...
Holy shit.
Those demons actually want to be slain, and they hate us for not putting them out of their misery.

>>4440
Yup.

The following video was taken during an interview with Paul Bernardo, a convicted sex offender and murderer.
[YouTube] What manipulative behavior looks like [Embed]
This video takes place 17 years after his conviction and was conducted in trying to investigate for any info that might help solve a number of associated cases.
But where it shines is by it making a stunning case for the incorrigibility of a narcissist, regardless of the circumstances they find themselves in. Observe how he avoids any acknowledgement of responsibility or fault, even though his guilt has long since (17 years) been concluded.
This is the level of honesty and responsibility one can expect from a narcissist. Any apparent consolation is a manipulation int3nded to try and control the situation by.
Obviously, not all narcissists are so heinous, but the manipulations and the why (control) are the consistent variables.

Narcissists are sexy.
I want an emotionally-unstable mare with a crystal ego who refers to herself in third person.

>>4687
I want to crush Trixie's fragile ego like a soda can.

[YouTube] Lessons for anyone who was scapegoated by a narcissist (Narcissistic Family Roles) [Embed]
>A scapegoat is a person who is blamed for the mistakes or sins of another person.
>Scapegoating is often done to get the scapegoater off the hook, leaving the scapegoat holding the bag, and the beat goes on.

This video focuses on scapegoating in a family dynamic, specifically in childhood; however, in observance that - outside lengthy processing and individual work - people tend to play out the roles in adulthood that they are familiar with from childhood, it can equally apply to the environments that narcissists foster whether professionally, economically, socially, etc., as well as the permissiveness a scapegoat may apply when finding themselves in such a dynamic later in life.

>Prof. Edward Dutton: The Jolly Heretic
>Is There A Narcissism Epidemic and, if so, Why?
[YouTube] Is There A Narcissism Epidemic and, if so, Why? [Embed]
Mirrors:
https://odysee.com/@JollyHeretic:d/is-there-a-narcissism-epidemic-and-if-so:a
https://www.bitchute.com/video/LN2V7DOwLfs/ [Embed]

>>4751
Loved it, thanks. Alot of good info and observations, but the cherry was
>positive and negative ethno-centralism
as a concept and how it relates to whether a society or group is socially adaptive or maladaptive. In a historical context it beautifully summarizes alot of what made Nazi germany successful, and I also feel it is essential to creating and establishing healthy networks in our communities by which to prepare for and adapt to many of the sociological changes that (ahem) many of us see 'coming down the pipe'.

>>4752
Yup. Dutton has the talent to be eloquent, concise and go straight to the point without to enter into obscure terminologies.

While not sold on his test, theres some valid analysis here of a more generalized narcissistic approach that is especially easy to detect through digital (text, chat, post, etc) conversation if one knows what to look for.
[YouTube] The Fastest, Easiest Test For Narcissism --- Up to date: "The Smiling No Test" [Embed]

Today's video covers the Covert Narcissist, sometimes known as the Fragile or Vulnerable narcissist. This is a narcissist who is NOT an 'alpha' or a domineering narcissist, and who's position of power is either tenative or uncertain. This type can be especially confusing because they WILL make admissions, convey guilt and vulnerabikity, bit as a manipulation tactic in order to achieve control over their situation in a goven context, bit once their narcissistic supply is achieved, they will then display the classic traits of a grandiose narcissist until they reach a position of depletion. This one is especially tricky because to the untrained eye they will cyclicly go through periods of 'improvement', but those phases are lapses in supply, and the efforts to seemingly improve are periods of manipulation to prime the targrt for later exploitation.
>Common phrases
'I need you', 'I depend on you', 'I cant do this without you', etc., geared toward incrntivising, coercing, and guilt-tripping the targrt into compliance.
[YouTube] Covert Narcissists SECRET CrazyMaking Communication Weapon They Use To ABUSE [Embed]

>>3868
Narcissists often behave like babies. I think they ARE overgrown babies, people for whom neural pruning has pruned the ability to grow the fuck up and behave maturely due to disuse.

>>3927
Out of the narcissists who were actually studied (sorry, don't remember the study's name), only 25% of them grew up in "normal" families. 75% had narcissistic, abusive, or similarly incompetent parents.
So yeah, it's mostly caused by bad upbringing.
>>3957
Can you admit that you, personally, to no one else's fault, fucked up? Can you accept your own fault when it's to your own detriment as opposed to benefit?

Narcissism is a self-sustaining pattern of behaviour: to change the pattern requires admitting first that there's a problem, and narcissists are physically incapable of doing so. They will do absolutely anything in their power to avoid experiencing the feeling of being in the wrong.
>>3960
"Attempts to manipulate/control others" aren't a good self-diagnosis indicator either because a narcissist will just dance around and try to redefine words.
Honestly, nothing is a good self-indicator: a narcissist will never do anything that will stop them from being a narcissist. Said attempts to weasel out are however a good indication of narcissism to others.

If you CAN admit fault, but still have behaviors matching a narcissist, congratulations! You've got fleas from being raised by dogs. It's fixable but it requires getting the fuck away from the actual narcissists so they can't sabotage and undermine your efforts to grow up.
>>4763
>because they WILL make admissions
No they won't. They'll make up bullshit that SOUNDS, to the uninitiated, as an admission of guilt, but if actually looked at, blames others. The "nonpologies". Stuff like "I'm sorry you got upset with me". Not "I'm sorry I did [shit] that upset you".
A genuine narcissist (i.e. one who is incurable) is completely uncapable of saying "I have fucked up by doing [x], I am sorry that I've done [x] and will try to avoid doing so in the future".
Someone who can say that, but still does narcissistic behaviours, has them learned and thus can have them unlearned, if (s)he actually faces, analyzes, and makes an effort to change them.

>>4888
First off, those digits.
Your post is virtually uncontestable. The only point of contention is to do with the degree of sophistication that could (unlikely) be employed in the nonpology (great word btw). A true apology involves corrective effort over time in aftermath of the admission, and in that one can differentiate the sincerety

Sorry, what I mean is that there are certain narcissists who can appear entirely genuine and sincere, and only by analyzing the degree that their actions are more or less consistent with the conviction of their words.
Not to say all who so err are narcissists, but it then falls in the realm of unrefuted possibility.
Also
>75% had narcissistic, abusive, or similarly incompetent parents.
Getting shit on doesnt excuse shitting on.

>>4889
>>4890
>A true apology involves corrective effort over time in aftermath of the admission, and in that one can differentiate the sincerety
Yes, I just can't actually remember the full list of parts of the genuine apology, so every time I mention it, I forget some of them.
>Getting shit on doesnt excuse shitting on.
True, my point was that narcissism is very much nurture AND nature, and runs in families.
It's not even getting shat on, most narcissists are the golden children, who were outwardly pampered and placated and hence grew up to be spoiled assholes even less fit for child-raising than their parents.

Starscream from Transformers is the perfect example of a true narcissist, he is highly selfish and deceptive with his own goals as his first and foremost important above the lives or interests of anything else. His egotistical self importance matters more than whether his incompetent leadership is successful.

>>5076
There is no 'perfect example' of a narcissist, and a cartoon for an example is of little use as its a caricature.
If you want a glaring contemporary example, look at Juicy Sommoulier. Or Alec Baldwin. Or Nigel.

>>5076
How is starscream a narcissist?

>>5081
Starscream is as much of a narcissist as Tigger from Winnie-the-Pooh. Its counter produtive and muddies the water to psychologically analyze fictional characters, as everything of them is literally dictated by the author.
But for those who wish to, I found a video that should appeal for a variety of reasons.
[YouTube] Starscream, Megatron, & Imperfect Abuse Narratives [Embed]

For further clarity, Starscream is a caricature of what passes contemporaneously as a narcissist in popular culture. The depiction of narcissism as having an overblown sense of vanity and self-importance isnt inaccurate, but Starscream is far more in the neighborhood of a borderline personality, in that he cant differentiate between what will benefit his agenda versus what will satisfy his ego. While this is a behavior pattern observable in SOME narcissists, it has alot of overlap with other disorders and condititons, and a determination based only on those characteristics is premature and invalid.
Tl;dr Starscream is as 'perfect' an example of narcissism, as Ginger Beer is of what different flavors of soda taste like.

>>5078
How often do you feel the urge to remind people Trump is blonde? You would not have spent five years reminding people you think I am a narcissist if you did not feel it was necessary to wear them down over the years before they agree with you.
>inb4 "denouncing nigel isn't off topic but it is off-topic for him to reply with anything"
In any case, while fictitious characters can display traits of real-world mental problems, an authentic depiction of these problems rarely takes priority over the story being told with these characters. People are still arguing over whether Powder/Jinx from Arcane has schizophrenia and PTSD or bipolar/borderline personality disorder or abandonment issues and whether her clingy behaviour pre-Jokerfication behaviour means anything.

>>5086
I havent promoted the idea of you being a narcissist (an idea that seems so overwhelmingly consistent with the literature that even I as an unlicensed individual can make the determination) except for the last year and a half.
Stop lying.
I havent worn anyone down.
Stop lying.
I HAVE however, strategically explained your behavior (directly and indirectly) for sufficient consistency and duration, achieving comprehensiveness such that people who used to disagree and contest can now only accede to the accuracy of the overview I have detailed. Moreover, I havent even argued the point, I've taken the time to assert authortative info at interval and have allowed the content (and your behavior, thanks for that) to argue on my behalf.
Next, Trump ISNT blonde, at least not naturally. He used to have dark hair, so any appearance of blond is artificial; whether hair implants, dyes and treatments, I neither know nor care.

Now then
>In any case, while fictitious characters can display traits of real-world mental problems, an authentic depiction of these problems rarely takes priority over the story being told with these characters. People are still arguing over whether Powder/Jinx from Arcane has schizophrenia and PTSD or bipolar/borderline personality disorder or abandonment issues and whether her clingy behaviour pre-Jokerfication behaviour means anything.
Please explain how this is in any way on topic.

>>5078
>There is no 'perfect example' of a narcissist, and a cartoon for an example is of little use as its a caricature.
I believe that fictional representations of narcissism is worthy of consideration than that of real people who are insufferably full of themselves, since a character is more of a canvas for what a narcissist could be rather than actually is, such as Starscream. Even Megatron could be classed as having similar features but more so to a further extreme.
Either that or one can completely disregard any and all characters that aren't real for the sole purpose that they do not exist.
>If you want a glaring contemporary example, look at Nigel.
Of course this place has it's very own self obsessed attention addicts, him and several anons here exhibit such personalities.
>>5081
I'm referring to the original Generation 1 Starscream, by the design of him he is obviously cunning and has ulterior motives that are fueled by his own desires. If you wish to differ than that is by your own personal choice of disagreement.

>a character is more of a canvas for what a narcissist could be rather than actually is, such as Starscream
I encourage everyone to marvel in that amalgamated phrase. I dont know, but it it is amazing.
Meanwhile, reminder that this is the Narcissism thread, geared toward providing actionable information and material of/pertaining-to narcissists, and NOT trying to tag random cartoons with otherwise definitive and severe terms to muddy the water, waste everyone's time, or otherwise insert an unwarranted (((nose))) into the mix.

>somebody had to rope Nigel into what was otherwise an informative conversation
It's all so tiresome.

pic unrelated

>>5090
I know I shouldn't give you the time of day if you're going to talk to me like that. I know it's "feeding the troll" to waste my time trying to reason with somebody in this state. You're shit-slinging hysterically again, trying to wear everyone down again, hoping it will upset me. Maybe you'll feel validated if somebody joins in on your shit-slinging by calling me a faggot, how tiresome. I don't have to explain why you're wrong. But fuck it, your bait is just too fucking stupid. Might as well get this over with.

Allow me to explain.

It would not matter if Starscream was or was not a good example of narcissism. And he is not a good example, because he is a one-note meme character to sell pieces of plastic to little boys and bad movies to boomers who want to cum inside Megan Fox. Replying to a topic conversation someone else is derailing not mean I am posting off-topic, especially not when I am trying to get the topic back on topic. When a writer writes a story about something other than mental illnesses, accurately depicting the mental illness is not the author's top priority. The topic of whether a toy-selling cartoon character depicts a mental illness accurately or not, or even the pop-culture nigger's view of it(which nobody was talking about) is irrelevant to a discussion on real-world narcissism, how to handle narcissists, how to deal with narcissists in the real world, and so on.

It's like blabbering about Phoenix Wright and How To Get Away With Murder in the middle of a discussion on real-world courtroom bullshit. Talk of narcissism in media is off topic in a thread about real-world narcissism and dealing with narcissistic people IRL.

You want to talk about TV? Does someone else want to talk about TV? Whoever brought up Starscream, do you really want to talk about TV shows on this site? There are shows about narcissism. There are shows with more narcissistic characters. There are shows with characters who personify real narcissism better. Like that bitch mom from Arrested Development, or whatshername from this video, the old hag of a mother. [YouTube] Loki, the MCU, and Narcissism [Embed] Starscream is a faggot who exists to suck and fail 99% of the time, just as the Decepticons exist to suck and fail and betray each other to make the heroes and their friendship and kindness look superior. Even though Optimus is kind of a bitch for letting his people die "nobly" instead of trying to make more of them like Negatron(At least I think that was the lore last time a gf candidate made me sit through a lore video). Loki is a better discussion topic for the pop-culture view of Narcissism as a trait intended to be "Endearing". Loki has the "Sanitized" pop-culture version of Narcissism where it serves as a character quirk rather than a character flaw. And isn't that a strange thing? Narcissism is something unhealthy. It's the sin of pride, really. And yet Hollywood loves to glamorize it as something the truly successful, stylish, cool characters are allowed to have because they've "earned" it.

There is also BBC's Sherlock, an obnoxious narcissistic prick who gets away with everything because he's a Gary Stu with bullshit Bat Deduction levels of "Intelligence", being an intelligent character written by retards who view "Intelligence" as something magical. If you want to talk about Narcissism In The Media, we can talk about it. Perhaps we could talk about it in a separate thread, specifically about Narcissism In The Media? I could rant about BBC's Shlock for hours, but I can't imagine anyone would want to see that here.

>>5093
I'm tired of that guy trying to drag me into shit-flinging contests too. Doesn't he have a job or life to get back to? And to think, he calls me the crazy one.

>>4763
>>Common phrases
>'I need you', 'I depend on you', 'I cant do this without you', etc., geared toward incrntivising, coercing, and guilt-tripping the targrt into compliance.
I've witnessed this in the behavior of people I've met who I anecdotally consider to have gone through narcissistic phases.
It's also a common behavior in domestic among abusers.
>>3957
The term "narcissist" might not be the best term, because it implies that the mentality is easily categorized. Narcissistic mindsets and behaviors can occur in varying degrees and for varying periods of time. There are people who behave narcissistic, people who do so chronically, and people who are painfully messed-up (this could be considered a narcissistic personality disorder). The problem with the term "narcissist" is that the concept of a negative label drives away the very people who need it the most to consider it for themselves.
Narcissist of any kind is a mental health struggle, and although any person can struggle with behaviors associated with narcissism, some struggle more than others.
The fact that you seem willing to ask it shows that you have the self-awareness to consider yourself one. In the end, the only person who can answer the question is you, through periods of self-reflection.
Instead of asking yourself if you are "a narcissist" consider asking yourself "How can I be less narcissistic?"

>>5092
>I encourage everyone to marvel in that amalgamated phrase. I dont know, but it it is amazing.
You flatter me, it is simply my expression of interpretation.
>Meanwhile, reminder that this is the Narcissism thread, geared toward providing actionable information and material of/pertaining-to narcissists, and NOT trying to tag random cartoons with otherwise definitive
Of course this was never meant to be fixated solely on fictionalization of narcissism but instead the noticeable signs to look out for among everyday people that one may come across.

>>5076
I don't really like using cartoons as examples of narcissists, because they're not really useful as examples, and it echoes reddit-tier Marvel/HP references in real life.
Especially Starstream, who is not only a non-human character, but a robot character who's inhuman mindset is an aspect of his concept. He is clearly meant to be narcissistic, but his narcissism isn't easily compared to real life people in any useful way.

>>5098
>I don't really like using cartoons as examples of narcissists, because they're not really useful as examples, and it echoes reddit-tier Marvel/HP references in real life.
Suit yourself. In whatever manner the plebbit capeshit referencing has to do with this, it has no significance for it's mentioning because it is irrelevant to what is happening here.
>Especially Starstream, who is not only a non-human character, but a robot character who's inhuman mindset is an aspect of his concept.
Although it is very much akin to several other personas in the real word, like the other Transformers are characterized impersonations. This could go on and on yet it would invariably be a waste of time due to it's irrelevance to the baseline topic.
>He is clearly meant to be narcissistic, but his narcissism isn't easily compared to real life people in any useful way.
It boils down to whether someone can compare or not the similarities between fiction or reality in a useful manner to their own evaluation of other humans in a analytical way, not everyone can be easily deduced if their actions and words have not been thoroughly studied in retrospection.

>Prof. Edward Dutton: The Jolly Heretic
>Can You Tell a Narcissist Just From His Eyebrows?
https://odysee.com/Can-You-Tell-a-Narcissist-Just-From-His-Eyebrows_:8
Mirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/4klZQhWCmZdX/ [Embed]

[YouTube] The most common test for narcissism [Embed]
Short video on the overall method and interpersonal dynamic with a narcissist

The most glaring example of a narcissistic dynamic and how tox8c it can be that I could possibly ask for is the now-notorious scenario that culminatez with Will Smith bitch-slapping Chris Rock.
I'd like to say 'nuff said' since it would be preferable to going into detail about how this bitch is crazy and the real source for alot of the shit to do with the situation, but I will go deep into it if really desired. Theres just so much to cover, and yet I dont want to leave it at 'Iykyk'. I also dont want to have to go back and find all the memes and videos and photos which display the obvious (if youre looking) social, behavioral, body-language and facial tics, and other red flags/cues.
The sbort version is, she's a vulnerable narcissist in that relationship, which is only made worse by his overwhelming success. Im not calling him a victim, he made his bed and she slept with another man in it.
But you can see over-done gestures like pic 2, which can seem innocent enough by themselves but collectively paint a very predatory picture.
[YouTube] jada lied [Embed]
Dont be Will Smith, they be hella Jada Pinkets out there.

[YouTube] 11 Warning Signs of Gaslighting in TANGLED [Embed]
If anons are interested in authentic fictitious depictions of narcissism

>>5277
If you were will smith how would you have handled the situation?

>>5277
I think that whole situation is a shame. Guy gets in one little fight, and suddenly his wife is sending him off to live with his auntie and uncle in Bel Air.

>>5327
>what would you do if you were a multi millionaire hollywood celebrity
Nigel, please. We all know you love intellectually-masturbatory questions of 'what if'. Kindly keep your masturbation to yourself.

>>5353
Nigger

>>5354
You were all talking about glorified niggers acting like niggers anyways.

>>5356
>zero discernment
>cant see the narcissism, only sees the niggers
>mad about it
Some day, you will realize that the correct thing to do when you have nothing to say is to say nothing.

>>5357
>narcissism
Are these narcissists in the room with us right now?

Wow, gaslighting in the Narcissism thread. How poetic

>>5360
It's just me screwing around again, nothin' serious.

>Its just a joke bro
This pretense was covered in narcissism 101. The ahort version is, you're full of shit and dont know how to act, so you veil your shitty demeanor in 'excusable'/'nonchalant' pretense.
(You) should fuck off.

Would the poners tone it down a bit.

>>5363
The topic hasnt changed, and neither will my posture. You intuit upset, where there is resolved opposition. The two are not the same.

>>5363
In any case, am neither noigel, nor transformerfag. If anything, this is a bit hilarious from my perspective.
>>5362
Whatever you want to believe mate. I get why you reacted that way, don't worry.

>>5365
>literally depicts narcissistic abuse in the literal narcissism thread
No one knows or cares who you are. If not for your posts, you wouldnt even register. Congrats, your only significance is shitposting on mlpol. Hope it was worth it.

>>5366
You should calm down a bit. Others are trying to take advantage of my little push.

>>5367
>Calm down
Yet more gaslighting. I suppose I should thank you for providing organic examples of a narcissist making excuses for themself? Any more examples you wish to provide? Perhaps you'd like to emphatically profess how your posts are a contribution? Or maybe you'll opt to play the coquette? In any case, if your previous is anything to go off of then you wont be able to resist depicting precisely what this thread was intended to illustrate, so by all means continue.

>>5368
Literally backing you up over there, but alright.

>>5369
Which one is backing me up? Is it this one?
>>5356
Maybe its this one?
>>5361
Or maybe you're the type pf fuck who backhands people and pretends its fond and appreciative?
Again, please keep posting. I tire of having to provide examples all on my own.

This thread was cool until all of the shit flinging started.

>>5371
Funny how that happens

>>5370
I might have refrained from further postin' if you hadn't reacted like a buffoon.
Also, I meant the pub's boogaloo thread here. >>5369
It might be hard to believe, but am not enjoying this. Please, it's time for you to reconsider.

>>5374
Shitposting aside, spare yourself; I reiterate the irony of engaging in narcissistic behavior - both attacks and rationalizations - in the narcissism thread.
[YouTube] Do NOT Buy Into These Narcissistic Rationalizations [Embed]

When people hear the word 'Narcissism', they often misconstrue it with Vainglory and Megalomania (technically synonymous). Media has done little service in promulgating this false perception, most notably through otherwise fictional depictions in TV and Movies.
Narcissism is not about vanity, though thats not to say that a narcissist can't be vain. It is about a mental predisposition toward the individual's desires and motivations, and the will to manipulate, coerce, and control others to fit their preference or agenda. For a narcissist, there is no question in their mind that they are correct in/for doing whatever they have convinced themself they are entitled to. Excepting in the case of a grandiose narcissist, most examples don't involve fawning over themselves and emphasizing their accomplishments, and as such a large percent of the population can't recognize narcissism for what it really is.
It really goes all the way back to the naming of the Narcissus flower; ostensibly named after a mythological character who fell in love with his own reflection and died gazing at it.
This story brings to mind the idea of an absolute love/fascination/fixation with one's self. And this is true for a clinical narcissist, but a bit of word parsing is necessary to get the right idea.
The self-love of both the Narcissist and the namesake is not amorous and idealized, its possessive and controlling.
Narcissus couldnt leave his reflection, not because he was in awe of his own beauty, but because in his self obsession he would not permit his own visage to leave his gaze.
The narcissism is not manifest in adoration, but in injurious control, even at the cost of his own life.
For this reason, a significant percent of people dont know they are dealing with a narcissist and not seeing their behavior as vanglorious, many narcissists can easily and readily rationalize their behavior as anything but what it actually is.

[YouTube] How Narcissists Ultimately Implode [Embed]
A particularly insightful video, though I'd say that about most videos ITT

>>5462
So very, very this. Ive lost count of the number of times an active/potential abuser denounced me as being 'autistic', 'driven' (in an unhealthy context), 'fixated', 'obsessed', or any number of terms/phrases that at the end of the day amount/result to/of holding them accountable for their words and actions.
You know you're 0ver the target when you start taking flak.

>Ender's Game
As much as can be said of narcissism, in preparation/response for them, many things can be said of their utility.
Conditioning of/by a malevolent narcissist can be the most elite training one can experience.
Peter was a narcissist. This plays out more in the books than the movie, but take my word for it.
And Ender. Ender is insurmountable, because he was subject to a narcissist during his formative years.

>>5462
Damn straight!

[YouTube] Isn't it possible to get along with the narcissist? [Embed]
>Is it possible to just 'get along' with a narcissist?
No, because 'getting along' with a narcissist means being willing to tolerate, abide, and allow for a narcissist's manipulations, expectatins and demands. The narcissist will never 'stop' playing their games nor maintaining their control of the situation, which among less confrontational people means that the narcissist's games are and become part of the status quo. The narcissist is entirely unwilling to relinquish any control they have over a g8ven situation ESPECIALLY on the topic of levelling the playing field or allowing others their own agency.
However one should be aware of the effect that being unwilling to play the narcissist's tune will have. Quite readily/immediatrly, the narcissist will turn perspective to castigate a person as being difficult, argumentative, unreasonable, etc. and people will readily go along with it, simply for having boundaries, for maintaining autonomy, and for being unwilling to be manipulated.
While not the best example, as it involves elements of borderline personality, look at the situation with Amber Heard and Johnny Depp; she abused him on a number of levels fornyears, butbwhen he finally had enough she turned around and accused him of precisely the abuse she had been inflicting on him.
And people STILL believe her, in spite of audio recordings, video, countless testimony from unbiased and otherwise uninvested witnesses, et al.
In a weird sense, one might suggest that manipulations and control methods are part of the narcissist's manifested integrity, in that it is integral to their presentation, and one which they will defend/deny (unless a suitable incentive - and I mean a literal incentive, not a conceptual or ideological one - outweighs whatever extant incentive that ordinarily governs their behavior) on principle, even in the face of incontravertable proof.

How does clinical narcissism interact with Borderline Personality Disorder? They have a lot of similar symptoms.
A lot of people are aware of narcissism, but fewer people are aware of BPD.

>>5530
To clarify, I mean that, like NPD, BPD individuals have some similar symptoms when it comes to relationships in that they may take grievances or gestures very personally:
>Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment.
>A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and evaluation
>Markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self.
>Transient, stress-related paranoia or severe dissociative symptoms.
>Chronic feelings of emptiness
That's not to say that NPD and BPD are similar themselves, as they are in fact very different psychosis, but a person who interacts with a borderline patient and witnesses these few symptoms may mistake them for a narcissistic person. Both are prone to behaviors that some may consider 'abusive', but while narcissistic person's are egotistical and concerned with self-image, borderline individuals are mostly afraid of abandonment and are spooked at any bumps in relationships. Narcissistic people are too concerned with themselves to consider others perspectives, but their sense of self-worth isn't necessarily unhealthy. Borderline individuals care neurotically about maintaining relationships and fear suggestions of abandonment/betrayal, which can appear egotistical if they're in positions to interact with a lot of people; their personal sense of self-worth is often fragile.
Misattributing these behaviors or misdiagnosing the symptoms may have caused a lot of strife for these patients, because the ways to address them in therapy and life coaching are very different, in addition to how to interact with them on a personal basis (personality disorders can't be cured, so if you care about someone you might want to just accept some behaviors as disabilities).

>>5531
Hard to answer authoritatively, having never (knowingly) interacted with BPD; the gist/summary is somewhat parallel to NPD.
Mix the absolute self-obsession of a narcissist, and then add the instability Bipolar disorder - with the extreme highs and lows and the behaviors that result - and you get Borderline, afaik.

>>5532
I was moreso getting at that some of narcissism could actually be mistaken BPD.
>absolute self-obsession of a narcissist
See, that's a common misconception of BPD people. Their fear of abandonment and manipulative behavior is often mistaken for self-obsession, but actually they want to feel connected to people, rather than just wanting attention from anyone. It's for that reason that they don't hesitate to act like total cringelords and emo crybabies to get pity out of people they want to feel connected to, whereas narcissistic people tend to be a bit more refined in their image.
Really, they're both incredibly sad psychosis. Mental illness is a tragic thing.

>>5533
>Mental illness is a tragic thing
Checked

When the narcissist says "You can't take criticism" she isn't saying the quiet part out loud, which is "You won't take my critcism as gospel, chase my approval, and treat my opinion as your new God".

[YouTube] I want revenge on the narcissist... does that mean I'm a narcissist? [Embed]
The short version is, no

Narcissists love to say "Your principles aren't real if I can't exploit them forever at will" but dressed up in narcissist shitspeak. Even Jesus could get angry. Tolerance of evil is not a virtue.

>>5572
That's not inherently narcissistic. It's just a normal common shit take.

>>5573
On the one hand, hes trying; on the other hand, without name-dropping... ya know

>>5574
What?

>>5574
I don't understand. What do you mean?

>>5573
I have only narcissism claim "Your principles are not real" when they cannot be exploited forever.

>>5577
>"Your principles are not real"
It sounds like gaslighting.

>>5577
*have only heard
>>5578
Yeah. They desperately want you to try and change into someone more exploitable.

>>5579
Except, anon is right; you're not necessarilt describing a narcissist, and your example is uselessly specific

>>5580
It's a good example of the shit narcissists do. They want to exploit you and believe they have the right to do so. They attack you, undermine you, and believe they have the right to treat you like dogshit while you don't have the right to object or complain.

>>5581
It's really not though. It's lazy, non-specific, and really only conveys that you don't like narcissists; 'useful' though that may seem on paper (and sympathetic though that position may be), there are far more effective materials ITT that are actually useful and good for the user.

Perhaps the following fits here:

>One of the things satanists are said to have to do at a certain high level is publicly manifest both themselves AND their plans.
>Diabolical Narcissism
https://www.barnhardt.biz/2022/06/07/one-of-the-things-satanists-are-said-to-have-to-do-at-a-certain-high-level-is-publicly-manifest-both-themselves-and-their-plans/
[YouTube] They are announcing it in the clear [Embed]

[YouTube] Watch out for THIS when looking for a therapist to help you cope with a narcissistic relationship [Embed]
While openly advocating for the utility of therapy, not all counselors are created equal nor are all therapists specifically and directly... useful in recovery. Due diligence is still a thing, and one should interview a prospective therapist/counselor before opening up to them.
While there is a significant percent that have their client's best interests involved, the field of.mental health is also fraught with individuals who have distinct mental issues of their own. I dont necessarily mean dysfunction, but neither can it be ruled out.

"Why is your pain any more important than my pleasure?" -Marquis de Sade from whom the term 'sadism' was coined.

[YouTube] What Camille Vasquez Teaches Us About Dealing With Toxic People [Embed]
This video hilights the manner in which Camille Vasquez impeaches Amber Heard on the witness stand.
>Amber Heard vs. Johnny Depp
You knew I was going there, I knew I was going there, this whole trial and process has been a goldmine for narcissistic behavioral analysis. Yes, Heard was diagnosed Borderline/Hysterionic, but that only applies to her specific motivations for engaging in narcissistic behavior; the gaslighting, the absolute refusal to take any responsibility and deflect it on others, the ansolute adherence to depicting herself as being a particilar 'way' when literally depicting herself contrary, etc ad nauseum (literally).
But theres plenty of that sort of stuff ITT.
THIS video focuses on how to cut through the bullshit when dealing with such a narcissist, when you are fully aware and prepared for the narcissist's manipulations and strategies.
Ngl, I found it very validating, as it hilights tactics I have developed and used both on and off board to expose narcissistic intent, behavior, and method.
As hilighted, the first aspect is to know what the truth is, be direct about it, and not be distracted or diverted into arguing the narcissist's premise; they will say anything and everything to obfuscate the truth even when holding or looking at proof that they are lying.
The next aspect is to be very clear with your expression. Feigning incomprehension is another common tactic to try and weasel out of exposure, and when a person expresses this to very clear and precise language, it shows. It shows that either A. they're an idiot and can't comprehend precise specificity, or B. they're engaged in manipulation in an attempt to maintain their false public persona, by trying to distract from the specific phrasing or questioning.
Appreciate, one is never going to get any sort of admission from a Narcissist. Ever. This is why when unavoidably dealing with one, the person's objective can't be to reason with them; the objective is to get THEM to illustrate for the AUDIENCE who/what they are.
Outside of a courtroom, that's really hard to do without being smeared, defamed, etc., and presumably why the videographer advises avoiding such people/encounters at all cost; she's not wrong.
But for those unavoidable, inevitable, or 'something important is on the line' sorts of scenarios, Ms. Vasquez makes for an excellent primer on how to do it like a pro.

[YouTube] What TOXIC Body Language & Behavioral Red Flags Did Johnny Depp Ignore With Amber Heard? [Embed]
More useful takeaways from the JD/AH trial/fallout, focusing on the warning signs JD ignored, leading to the situation that has now unfolded publicly.
Never fuck crazy.

>>5672
Yes, Heard is a walking shitshow. A perfect sample case, from which unexposed people can see what a narcissist is like. But, in the aftermath, I hope to keep constructive my comments and posts about. I doubt theres more to be gleaned beyond 'what to avoid' and all that. My next post is gonna be a review of Will/Jada/their kid (I forgey his name) and all the onvious signs of natcissism (hint, its all 3).

[YouTube] It's been a minute... [Embed]
Slated for the category of "nobody fucking cares", Will Smith (if you havent heard) made an apology video. Its shit, and theres plenty of people who have made reaction/response videos to that end.
The one thing that so far no one appears to have picked out of the video is this.
>2:21
>There is no part of me that thinks that that was the right way to behave in that moment. There is no part of me that thinks that is the optimal way to handle a feeling of disrespect or or insults
No part? Not one part? Theres nothing in the lizard brain that told him at the time that that was PRECISELY the correct action?
This is just one step removed from claims like "Im not that person" sometimes with the qualifier of "anymore". The correct thing to say would be to admit his fault AND the fact that part of him DID think that was the correct way to act, but after careful consideration he NOW realizes that he is vulnerable to such impulse (as evidenced). But this isnt about progress or work, nor is it about mending fences. This is a publicity stunt, to protect the ego/career of someone who just so happens to have ruined the minds of an entire generation of niggers by promoting the worst aspects of "black culture" during his time playing the Fresh Prince.
He may not be a diagnosable narcissist himself (there are some signs though), but he sure as hell taught people to be one and promoted narcissistic behavior, the reverberations of which are still observable in society.
Fuck this nigger

>Narcissists Destroy Who they cannot Control
>The narcissist has no use for the one he or she cannot control. If the narc in your life cannot control you, you mean nothing to them.
[YouTube] Narcissists Destroy Who they cannot Control [Embed]
Mirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/zgxylCfB3M2H/ [Embed]

I believe the following goes here. It is an amazing insight into the mindset of virtue-signalers.

>Our Biggest Problem? The People of the Lie - (28:52 long)
>Evil Society Leftism Conscience Peck Virtue
>Virtue Signalling, performative 'goodness' and scapegoating are used by people who refuse to confront their conscience. My thoughts on M Scott Peck's book "The People of the Lie".
https://rumble.com/v2ixy94-our-biggest-problem-the-people-of-the-lie.html
Mirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/oo58Z179h31R/ [Embed]

This thread saved my life. Thank you who ever started it.

>>6719
Glad to known fren.

>>6719
You're welcome, glad it was there for you

>>6722
Now it's getting to the psychotic part of my narcissist. I think she stole my meds from a store. She might be going to jail. But for me I have to forgive and move on without here in my life. https://twitter.com/i/status/1660392004675665921 [Embed]

>>6736
>Jim Carrey on the Power of Jesus Christ
>Jim Carrey
This globohomo faggot is literally a satanist great priest in case you didn't know it.
Same path than Ye and many Hollyjew actors claiming to embrace Jesus while participating in black masses and being members of the masonry cult.

>>6737
I profess Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and our living God as the Incarnate. Eventually on a timeline that is infanite and playing outside our space time like Q from Star Trek. [YouTube] Flawless (Fame and Misfortune) | MLP: FiM [HD] [Embed]

>>6739
>I profess Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and our living God as the Incarnate
All of which makes me wonder, wouldn't be Jesus as the anti-thesis of Satan also an artificial duality to manage the masses?
I mean, considering that big chunks of history are fake the narrative of two opposite forces, and we have to choose a side is suspicious.
In the end, Christianity is an ideology that disempowers its followers while promising rewards in the afterlife, interestingly, no one has come back from death to confirm that.
Just saying.

>>6741
The Enemy does everything to burn down 'the orchard'. Numerous chances to turn around and repent.
The Enemy is the falsehood.
Those who actually follow God's Word made flesh who died and rose again, and Who has the best plan(s), and The Holy Spirit who helps and assists in hitting the mark and love God and love one another with a location that lights the love is difficult to find and keep safe from The Enemy at all times.

>>6743
What this means is that the headquarters has to be inside a person. At leasy until Jesus (God's Word and Son) comes back.
The seal is The Holy Ghost.
>>6741
>Control and Dominate the masses
That's The Evil One's whole thing.
Observe Communism it causes immense harm in multiple areas and corrupts.
What Jesus has done is give the supreme weapon (better than a scalpel) to cut seemingly nonphysical things.
And the authority to do so.
However not following in God's perfection and allowing God to do the operation tends to have harmful consequences. In ten yeas, hundred years, thousand or million years.
If a person joins a prostitute and gets AIDS and other sicknesses that's that person's choice. The sickness is the result. All that starts in the unseen, the heart.
God sees the heart and more.
God then has preventative measures, solutions and what happens afterwards and surgical options.
>Confirmation
Well the dead sea did turn red a while ago and other this are happening.
Keep in mind God prefers to cooperate in the reality creation process.

>>6743
>>6744
You are derailing the thread.
There is a Christian containment thread where you can post at will >>>/vx/166839 →

>>6745
Thanks I'll keep it down after this.
>>6741
Admittedly it is off topic starting from, where from Narcissism it strays off.
>>6737
To >>6741
Culminating in my replies.
>>6591
>Narcissists Destroy Who they cannot Control
This also applies to beings unseen.

>>6746
Yeah. I just exposed my covert narcissist. I figured I was a car and pay check to her. My therapist keeps repeating a sociopaths always lie. I saw, that of every one in my family, it was her the who time. The one who was telling lies and manipulating, She is also stealing my medications to get fuck up even more from her "pain" meds, From her pill mill I have a video on her fucked up on drugs. I would love to post it here it is funny as hello.
>>6741
>>6743
>>6745
You need a strong believe system that keeps you from becoming one and keeps you from going into insanity like a person With (NPD) Narcissistic Personality Disorder especially if it was abuse from a parent.

>The Psychology of Psychopaths – Predators who Walk Among Us
>Psychopaths are human predators. They coerce, manipulate, lie, steal, defraud, abuse, and take life, without feeling guilt or remorse. A leading expert on psychopathy, Robert Hare, estimates that 1% of people are psychopaths; while the clinical psychologist Martha Stout suggests this figure is closer to 4%. Studies indicate that psychopaths are over-represented in the corporate executive world and in politics. In this video we are going to explore the psychology of the psychopath as this knowledge can help us minimize the damage they inflict on us, those we care about, and humanity at large.
https://academyofideas.com/2023/07/the-psychology-of-psychopaths-predators-who-walk-among-us/
Video (13:43 long):
[YouTube] The Psychology of Psychopaths - Predators who Walk Among Us [Embed]
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>Christ-cuckery in my Narcissism thread
Careful, one might feel inclined to illustrate the phenomenon of dogmatic narcissism, where instead of the individual, an ideology is asserted to be infallible and/morally unimpeachable.
Think Inquisiion.
Anyway, bumping for visibility

>>7738
>dogmatic narcissism
>where instead of the individual, an ideology is asserted to be infallible and/morally unimpeachable
I'm hard pressed to find a clinical definition of this. Where did you here this from?

>>7739
It's called authoritarianism, anon

>>7740
Narcissism is a psychosis. Authoritarianism is a political/administrative ideology. They are not the same.

>>7742
Assuming you are allowing for the distinction between clinical narcissism (pathology) and narcissistic tendencies/traits (conditioned behavior), that's mostly true. What was referred to is when individuals operate in a conclusively narcissistic manner except the 'focus' is something in addition to themselves (an ideology, much as you indicate).
Having said and continuing the example, it seems disingenuously reductive to rationalize the mentality that leads to instances like the Inquisition as being the result of 'administrative ideology', especially when the displayed behaviors and rationalizations - aside from the source/cause - is identical.

>>7743
>especially when the displayed behaviors and rationalizations - aside from the source/cause - is identical.
They are only superficially similar, and that doesn't mean that they are the same thing.
Narcissistic personalities and authoritarian ideologies and institutions have no correlation. Narcissists are evenly distributed throughout the population and political spectrum: you'll find just as many lolbertarian narcissists as you will with the most totalitarian commies.

>>7745
>superficially similar
Perhaps when analyzed superficially, but who said they were the same thing?
The unity is in the perception/fixation that malevolent/abusive behavior is acceptable, justifiable, or even warranted because of the interests/desires of "the thing" (whether that thing is a pathological predisposition to the self or to watever conceptual/ideological thing).
In that at the core of either is lousy rationalization for preying on others and an unwillingness of the perpetrator to consider the possibility that they could be wrong, they're like flip sides of the same coin.

>>7747
>The unity is in the perception/fixation that malevolent/abusive behavior is acceptable
That isn't exclusive to authoritarian systems, if you haven't noticed the ambient malevolence/abuse in our neoliberal status quo.
>whether that thing is a pathological predisposition to the self or to watever conceptual/ideological thing
Narcissism is by definition fixation with that self. Once you deviate from that, it's another psychosis entirely.

>>7747
>justifiable, or even warranted because of the interests/desires of "the thing"
This is absurdly value. Some "things" are worth protecting, like having a functioning society, or the continued existence of your race, even through means that libs would consider "abusive" (violence, discrimination, border control, expulsions, deportations, jailing tiny hat wearing bankers for usury, etc).

>>7749
>value
*vague

>>7749
It's open-ended because narcissism and extreme authoritarianism aren't the only two pathologies that involve a predisposition of righteousness; "the thig" is a placeholder for both and other pathologies.
Quite telling however, that you are wont to suggest there are exceptions to the idea that abuse is never warranted. It is not "protecting" an idea to engage in malevolence, it only undermines the thing (assuming there is any validity, morality, etc. to begin with)
Again, the Inquisition.

>>7751
>It is not "protecting" an idea to engage in malevolence
Define malevolence.
>it only undermines the thing
What thing? Context matters.

Quick follow-up
>violence, discrimination, border control, expulsions, deportations, jailing tiny hat wearing bankers for usury, etc
Assuming by 'violence' you mean reactionary - where one isn't the aggressor - that isn't violence, that's self defense and is among the principle rights of an individual.
The rest of that isn't abuse, so what was your point exacty?
>>7752
>define malevolence
Im sure you can manage a search engine
>what thing
Which would you like to address?

>>7753
>Im sure you can manage a search engine
I know the definition of the word. I'm asking you what your opinion is of "malevolent" things that are never justified.
>Assuming by 'violence' you mean reactionary - where one isn't the aggressor - that isn't violence
No, proactive violence too, especially when removing the long nose tribe from your herd's grazing space.
>The rest of that isn't abuse, so what was your point exacty?
It can easily be considered abusive depending on who you're asking, especially to neoliberals.

>>7754
>I'm asking you what your opinion is of "malevolent" things that are never justified.
Abuse. Pretty sure I said hat more than once.
>No, proactive violence too, especially when removing the long nose tribe from your herd's grazing space.
You couldn't have better illustrated narcissistic/authoritarian rationalization. So which are you: a narcissist, an authoritarian? Both? A flyin monkey, perhaps?
>It can easily be considered abusive depending on who you're asking, especially to neoliberals.
So, because other individuals and groups engage in willful ignorance, using words in clear/obvious opposition to their meaning, that means it's okay for (you)?
That last one (the flying monkey) is particularly common amongst authoritarians

>>7755
>Abuse. Pretty sure I said hat more than once.
Okay, define "abuse" then, particularly in context of authoritarian politics.
>an authoritarian
I do see merit in some policies that could be considered authoritarian by some.
>So, because other individuals and groups engage in willful ignorance, using words in clear/obvious opposition to their meaning, that means it's okay for (you)?
I mean by common colloquial definition.
And I bring up neoliberals, because the status quo is the point of reference by which authoritarianism is defined. In the West, the status quo is neoliberalism, and has been for a while now.

>>7756
Again, that whole search engine thingy. However, if you're looking for examples of abuse with a political context, the weaponization of the IRS on conservative groups and non-profits. Or even easier, the weaponization of the 'justice' department.
>I do see merit
I do recall suggesting you're an authoritarian
>the status quo is neoliberalism
Highly contested but irrelevant and an argument for another time/thread. If you aren't going to use words as theyre defined - especially under the auspices of "they did it first" - then one wonders what your intentions are.

>>7757
>the weaponization of the IRS on conservative groups and non-profits
That's not authoritarianism, that's just illegal misuse of power.
>weaponization of the 'justice' department
Authoritarianism =/= corruption.
These sorts of things aren't authoritarian practices. They appear in neoliberal and libertarian political environments too.
>If you aren't going to use words as theyre defined
The definition of "abuse" is highly subjective and context based, especially when it comes to politics.
>then one wonders what your intentions are
I'm trying to lay groundwork to have a productive conversation.

>>7758
>That's not authoritarianism, that's just illegal misuse of power
It is both. Illegal misuse of power is he buse, and authoritarianism is the philosophy that is used to justify he abuse.
>Authoritarianism =/= corruption.
Who said it did? You know, you're trying to put an awful lot of words in my mouth and doing alot of semantics for someone trying to
>lay groundwork to have a productive conversation
especially with this
>The definition of "abuse" is highly subjective and context based
as it very clearly isn't. Leftoids (not exclusively) love to try and undermine the meaning of words, but I didnt think you'd stopp to it

>>7759
>authoritarianism is the philosophy that is used to justify he abuse
No, you're thinking of totalitarianism, which is a system in which all available institutions are used as vehicles for enforcing ideology. Totalitarianism implies some authoritarianism, but they are not the same thing.
>Who said it did?
You implied it by presenting examples of corruption as authoritarianism.
>as it very clearly isn't
Then we'll have to agree to disagree, because your definition of abuse is clearly not universal.

>>7760
There you go again, trying to put words in my mouth. It'd be nice if you would stop playing semantic games. Like the long-nosed tribe you were on about.
>totalitarianism, which is a system in which all available institutions are used as vehicles for enforcing ideology
Which is A. incorrect, and B., not what I was talking about, gave examples of, or suggested.
>you implied it
Incorrect again. The ACTION was corrupt, but the MOTIVATION was authoritarian. Reading comprehension isnt your forte is it? (Im kidding, it's pretty obvious you're arguing in bad faith,... er, "trying to creatively interpret what I've said to mean something different"). Again, like that longnose tribe.
Think about that

https://www.britannica.com/question/What-is-the-difference-between-totalitarianism-and-authoritarianism

>>7761
>The ACTION was corrupt, but the MOTIVATION was authoritarian
I don't believe you understand what authoritarianism means.
>Like the long-nosed tribe you were on about.
Now you're just resorting to ad homenim. I think there's little left to discuss here.

>>7762
There was never anything to discuss. You clearly feel definitions are subjective.

Whatever you say, faggot

Nothing nurses inadequacy like a smug pony, eh?

>7765
Ahem

Gasp! Not TWO smug ponies, this is unprecedented (butthurt)!

Obsessed.

Do carry on, you're only giving further example to what this entire thread is about

What was >>7777 →

>>7821
That seems entirely unrelated to this thread

Bringing things back into focus per the actual topic, I hope that this video isn't actionable

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