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Mixed Nuts - 'THAT' Pen and Paper RPG Thread
Anonymous
3FC3c
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No.13314
13316
Quick Rundown:
This(these) thread(s) started as an experimental attempt to determine whether a D&D type game could be possible over an anonymous imageboard. The results have exceeded my wildest expectations. During the week, these threads consist of game meta discussion, shitposting, bants, and more shitposting. On the weekend its on, and its something far more intense than standard pen and paper; I'm still trying to figure out all the aspects and elements.
New players are welcome at any time, and with that let me tie up the previous questions.
>>13269
Nevermind that, I was trying to help you get the unicorn right away, but its gone now.
>>13270 →
First off, you're BOTH wrong. Its an Archmage, but no one outside the Archmage knows that so spoilers.
>>13279 →
>>13282 →
Just because a race or species is listed as 'Outsider' doesn't mean they cannot migrate to other planes/realms.
>inb4 Trump says something about going back or w/e
Additionally, these factions (there are many, above/beyond the ants) have been written into the story, have been there the whole time. The ants were part of all previous 'boots' of the story, and have had successful and beneficial relations with several iterations of the active party.
The travel ban on outsiders limits those who's home is/remains any of the outer planes from entering willfully OR being summoned from interally.
Meaning, it is impossible to summon foreign ants from their home plane, but one can readily interact with ants 'from' this plane.
>13285
>13286
The scroll will come up in the future, its relevance has to do with a particular location which will be obvious after inspection. As for the potato, I'm sure he will never be heard from again. Ever.

And with that, the Game continues.
852 replies and 70 files omitted.
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13640
13642
>>13638
>so no need to pray for him to deliver one.
That doesn't mean he couldn't see you.
Also, I read the Paladin description. Where does it say they have access to domain spells?
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13642
13643
>>13639
>there's a skill that allows someome to fit in 2 inches
Wait what.
>>13640
Right here http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/3.5e_Paladin_Feats and here http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Devoted_to_a_Cause_(3.5e_Feat)
It's a feat named "devoted to a cause." The description is:
>You gain access to one of your deity's domains. You gain the domain's granted power and you may add the domain's spells to your Paladin spell list, up to the level that you are able to cast. For purposes of this domain only, your cleric level is equal to your character level.
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13643
13644
>>13642
Oh, I never saw the class feats before. It doesn't show up in the wiki I use...
Would've liked Kick 'em While They're Down..
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13644
13645
>>13643
>Kick Em' While They're Down
Can't you take that anyways though? The only requisite I see for it is the "sneak attack" feat, which you probably get for free as a Rogue
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13645
>>13644
Idk how class feats work, but I'd like that one.
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13647
13648
>>13646
Do we care?
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13648
>>13647
idk. Ask GM.
Anonymous
NDJq0
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No.13649
13653
>>13629
To be fair, Torc is the only reason hhe did that shit....
Shit that puts him in worse light
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13652
13653 13676
How many points does it take to max-out a skill?
SKXd0
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No.13653
13654 13655
>>13649
I geniunely think I can completely slavage the situation if only given about three rounds worth of talking without things actively getting worse. If Tourcil wants to cast a "Now hol' the fuck up" spell that freezes all pirates (and preferably player characters) for a small number of rounds, should the pirates indicate they want to fight, it would be appreciated.

But seriously, like what the hell on some of these spells? With a 45% probability of overcoming a saving throw, I can perfectly mind control a Cauchemar in a single round. If only I can keep them within 60 feet of me for 10 minutes, I can geas player characters with 60% probability of overcoming a saving throw. But charm a unicorn into sleeping with me? Nope.

>>13652
It's player level plus 3 at least for me.
\r
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13654
>>13653
I can charm Korak though
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13655
13656
>>13653
> like what the hell on some of these spells?
They're Domain spells: spells of God (think Moses in the Exodus). That's what it means to be a Cleric: Clerics have to be devout to their patron deity's creed (one slip and they lose their powers; not unlike a Paladin staying Lawful Good), and they have to pray for their spells in advance to use the God's powers (GM just cut out that part, because he wanted to steamline things). That Homebrew you referenced was basically a mechanic that shattered the divide between the two classes.
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13656
13657
>>13655
>Thinks I'm opposed to daily prayer
The Denver Broncos are the sole proprietors of the football cup. In the days before football, there were no cups, no Football, and no Broncos. The Ponies wandered in darkness, for there was no light to guide them, and they did fornicate with each other for they knew not what else to do with their time.

Then the light of John Elway came unto them, and he brought forth the cup from which all blessings flow, and he did bade them to drinketh from that cup, and that which they drank was Football. And so it did fill their cute widdle pony bodies with the heavenly goodness of Football, and their eyes were open.

Thence no more did they fornicate with each other, but did fornicate with John Elway, who bade them go forth and fornicate with Anon, for to fornicate with a pony is to fornicate with Football.

Football.
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13657
13659
>>13656
Well, that's fine, although the regular game drawback would be you had to also decide and prepare (there are materials for rituals in some versions) which spells you were going to use for the day.
A Paladin is the same, although their spells are much more limited (no domain spells in canon), and they prepare them through morning meditation.

If you wanted to multi-class a a Cleric to get more divine spells, you probably could, although you wouldn't be able to level-up a a Paladin anymore, due to Paladin's special restriction.
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13659
13660
>>13657
>Multi-class as a cleric
Without this feat I think access to the spells would be impossible, because most of these spells require something like 9 levels in Cleric, which would be basically impossible and not worth giving up the added levels in Paladin.
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13660
13662 13664
>>13659
Well, it's up to GM to decide these thing.
Imo, if you wanted two classes worth of divine spells, you may as well have just been a wizard.
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13661
13675
infernius studying.png
Forgot to post a nice pic I found for Infernius.
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13662
13663
Capture.PNG
>>13660
We can say the same thing about all of your special requests
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13663
>>13662
touche'
Anonymous
NDJq0
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No.13664
13665
>>13660
>you may as well have just been a wizard
Or a meme mage
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13665
13666
maxresdefault.jpg
>>13664
Anonymous
NDJq0
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No.13666
13667
>>13665
True art
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13667
petting kek.jpg
>>13666
Digits confirm.
Anonymous
NDJq0
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No.13668
13669
GM, what magical meme powers can I get from pic related?
Anonymous
NDJq0
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No.13669
13670 13672 13676
Spoilered
>>13668
Fucking hell, forgot the pic
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13670
13671
>>13669
I'm pretty sure an item like that burns the hand of any non-Chaotic, non-Evil wielder...
Otherwise: the power to effortlessly smite all your enemies and take over the entire world.
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13671
>>13670
Gosh, I've been making only awful jokes all night...
Anonymous
UILY4
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No.13672
13673
image.png
>>13669
Gah! Nuke it from orbit
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13673
13674 13682
Spoilered
>>13672
"..Use me, Flashy..! I can make you God Emperor..!"
Anonymous
UILY4
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No.13674
>>13673
FUCKING KEK that's a good one
"I've always wondered what it was that Primarch Horus was offered that could make him, the Emperor's finest, stray from the light; betray his oaths. Now... Now I know..."
Anonymous
/tbMl
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No.13675
>>13661
needs less horns.
Anonymous
3FC3c
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No.13676
13680 13682
>>13612 Fort Refl Will
Trump +9 +5 +5
Torcuil +5 +5 +9
Tracy +6 +8 +4
Infernius +9 +5 +9
>>13639
Oh? You're not? That's a shame, I'd have let you.
>>13652
18
>>13669
LIke I'm gonna tell you in advance

Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13680
13684
>>13676
I absolutely was later on, I just wasn't about to start an argument with him about that.
>tfw Will-let
..Y-you can't control me..!
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13681
13684
Love conquers all.png
>>13201 →
>be ghost-pony
>be Assassin
>be stalking high-rank target
>Almost have it in the bag
>Was able to get all the way into his private chamber by phasing through walls
>Be sneaking up behind him, with perfect stealth check
>be ready to stab the mofo, knife in maw
>'oh no he's wearing masterwork armor! My awesome back-stab won't work.'
>lol, not a problem
>become ethereal
>Phase into his body with ghost-powers
>He doesn't notice because materialfag
>materialize inside his bowels with supernatural talent
>wait a few minutes for right moment
>Target is relaxing, if not a bit constipated
>then suddenly-
>a fucking horse bursts out of his midsection in a grizzly whirl of blades
>he's dead before he even knew what happened
>Guards hear explosion and burst into the room
>they see seemingly innocent pony
>continue to look for assassin, until they realize the "innocent" pony is covered in blood
>try to seize monster-pony
>lol no
>phase through floor, waving 'goodbye'
>guards don't know wtf just happened or what to do
>GhostPonies=1; MaterialCucks=0
>mfw the Four Horses Sisterhood has a signature killing jutsu
Anonymous
NDJq0
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No.13682
13683 13696
>>13673
T K
O E
P K

>>13676
I don't understand what these stats mean

Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13683
13696
hide the body.jpg
>>13682
>I don't understand what these stats mean
Neither do I, but I don't object: it looks reasonable.
Anonymous
UILY4
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No.13684
13687
image.png
>>13680
>>13681
I'm watching you
Anonymous
Q3hfR
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No.13687
13688
>>13684
Better rank-up on Spot then, 'cuz I'm invisible.
Anonymous
UILY4
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No.13688
13689
>>13687
I have multiple ways of finding you telepathically
Anonymous
Q3hfR
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No.13689
13690
>>13688
>telepathically
How?
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13690
13694 13696
>>13689
If she falls to Dominate Monster, the caster would have the ability to experience what the target is experiencing, short of sensory input, besides the ability to give orders.

There is also another way, but I don't want to name it.

And besides those two, I'll find something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhMwUeVawng
Anonymous
Q3hfR
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No.13691
13693 13696
Was Tracy able to find any worthwhile info in the atlases in the Library during the period before the next round? I want to find more info about the continent and exploit the local knowledge skill.
Also, I've chosen the two Special Rogue abilities for Tracy at level 13:
>Bonus Feat: Improved Overrun
>Bonus feat: Dire Charge
>>13551
Not sure if this was seen, but is there a way to rank-up this ability to transform more freely?

One more question: Does Magic Vestment oil actually transform the clothes into heavy armor, with all mobility drawbacks?
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13693
13696
Alright, I definitely want "Devoted to a Cause" as a feat, with John Elway granting Trumpaladin access to spells and the power of the Charm Domain. If not, I'll give up on it as soon as it is explained where in D&D canon a rogue can transform at will and with no spells into an extraplanar monster and back again, or can psionically control chains, or any number of other things I can and will find.

Besides that, I will be selecting Leadership, Negotiator, and Quick Draw as feats. That would leave me two open feat spots hat I have not yet filled.

I would like to ask if feats like "Great Constitution" and other "epic" feats like that are restricted to those with 20 levels in a class or higher.

I will be allotting my skill points as follows (tentatively, I may change).

Diplomacy: 18
Sense Motive: 18
Profession (Businessman):18
Knowledge (Royalty and Nobility): 5
Knowledge (Religion): 10

I will be adding +1 point to Strength so
S 14
D 11
C 12
I 13
W 14
Ch 16
Plus 2 points I want to wait to allot until I have specific information
>>13691
I think the next round is going to have to start immediately, or within 10 minutes of where the last round ended off. Making giant skull armor, going to the library, studying or whatever, is going to have to wait until a lull in the action, which I think could happen after the immediate pirate situation is resolved, but before the next stage of the action.
>>13691
Are you willing to make a deal on the ladybug charm?

Anonymous
Q3hfR
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No.13694
13695
>>13690
>Wanting to wear girly charms
It's a wife's duty to defend her husband's masculinity. Just what kind of deal with Tracy's Faggot would you be proposing to overlook that?

Also where was the post where the new gear received after the Soros battle were listed? I'm in the middle of typing my own sheet.
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13695
13697
>>13694
Can I ask Tracy really nicely to let him borrow it indefinitely?
Anonymous
3FC3c
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No.13696
13709
>>13682
>>13683
Its a table depicting fortitude, reflex, and will saving throw modifiers by character.
>>13690
Yes, I'm definitely glad I made Trump Good.
>>13691
>Vest oil
No, it doesn't increase the weight or encumbrance, just the armor bonus. Thez uses Magic Vestment, and she's neked.
>>13693
>I'll give up on it as soon
Dammit, he's onto me. I'll allow a partial skull breastplate because it was inquired about some time before characters were in the current advancing timeline with Korak, so I'll let Tracy have it.
>>13691
Soon, very soon. As for transforming, some skill points would make sense.
Anonymous
Q3hfR
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No.13697
13698
>>13695
Don't bother asking. She'd keep it from you for your own good.
>wanting girlish charisma
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13698
13699
>>13697
>Not willing to dress nicely for a husband whose work depends on image
And you really should rethink your bone armor. Just yuck
>>13697
I'll let you keep taking GETs, trips and quads. You know that's a bannable offense on /1ntr/

Anonymous
Q3hfR
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No.13699
13700
>>13698
Oh no, she'll wear it, she just wouldn't let you wear it, because she knows you're a man with high standards.
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13700
>>13699
Well, should someone's bone armor happen to be thrown in the trash, or should someone's flag be changed to Canadian...
Anonymous
Q3hfR
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No.13701
13702 13705 13709
>>13567
How do I apply racial modifiers to hit dice?
Last I checked, she was a fiendish warpony, so her species hit dice should be 2d8+8 (17 hp) but I have no idea how much that is...
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13702
>>13701
Let the GM do that
Anonymous
3FC3c
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No.13705
13707
>>13701
see >>13564
Anonymous
Q3hfR
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No.13707
13708
>>13705
Got it (although I'm still having trouble understanding) I'll figure it out.
Anonymous
3FC3c
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No.13708
13709 13710
>>13707
13d6 is rogue hp, 2d10 is blackguard. Tracy gets no constitution bonus. The values are not set, and while I reserve the right to modify HP rolls, I'm leaving it up to players to make the actual rolls.
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13709
13711
>>13696
>Trump Good
Playing Lawful Good is very difficult because everyone is evil here and everyone deserves to be purged. But when you play like that, like Tourcil did with the slaves, it just has bad consequences for everyone. It robs you of allies and resources you need for later for fights against more important and more evil enemies. So you pretty much have to narrow your focus on what evils you want to fight, and adopt a sort of "The enemy of my enemy dies second" attitude and tolerate the existence of a great many evils so long as it is necessary to achieve a long-term, over-arching goal.

I'm basing this in large part on the foreign policy of Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, which was focused around doing anything necessary to fight a great and dark evil, overlooking numerous smaller evils in the process. I also take inspiration from the civilizational goals of the George Bush and William McKinley foreign policy, which sees America as an ideal worth spreading to others. Donald Trump's Domestic policy, especially in Immigration, also forms a large part of my understanding of American good.

Of course, I included a hell of a lot of Donald Trump's actual life in the way I play this (am I the only one who has read "Art of the Deal"). The paranoia and megalomania are a personal touch.
>>13696
>Tracy have breast plate
Shouldn't the characters start that scene naked or almost? Is there a moment to put on Armor?
>>13701
So there is nothing for which you would be willing to bargain the ladybug?
>>13708
So... I can have "Devotion to a cause"? Besides this, are feats like "Great Constitution" available to those with less than level 20?

Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13710
>>13708
Does Trump get any bonus, racial or otherwise, to his 15d10 HP?
Anonymous
3FC3c
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No.13711
13713
>>13709
>Devotion
Yes
>Great Constitution
Epic = lvl 20+
>bonus
Yes, a combined +15 to total (+1 con for each level)
Anonymous
Q3hfR
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No.13712
13713 13714 13716
What's Tracy's Con Stat again?
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13713
13714 13716
>>13711
Is this feat possible for a Paladin? http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Inquisitor
>>13712
Is there nothing for which you'd be willing to bargain the ladybug?
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13714
>>13713
>>13712
Anything
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13715
13716
GM

HOW DO I GET THIS
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Power_Armour

I kind of just assumed I had something at least aesthetically similar
Anonymous
3FC3c
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No.13716
13717
>>13712
11
>>13713
A Psionic Paladin
>>13715
smh
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13717
13718
>>13716
Her Char was also 11, right?
Anonymous
3FC3c
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No.13718
13719
>>13717
Correct
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13719
13720
>>13718
Noted

Do you have any idea how many rounds ago the post that listed the new gear was? I'm trying to make a character sheet.
Also >>13618 I'm taking a sword.
Anonymous
3FC3c
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No.13720
>>13719
Uh, new gear? I don't follow.
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13723
>>13722
*cries in corner*
Anonymous
3FC3c
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No.13724
>>13721
Oh, that post. Yeah, that works, although I'm waiting for Tracy to actually dig through the ducats before I go into any more detail; there IS more detail after all.
>>13722
She did, and she even gave you the combination. See above.
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13725
13726
>>13721
>apartment
Aren't the characters at the the tower?
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13726
13729
>>13725
No, it's a very different building. One in town
Anonymous
/tbMl
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No.13728
13729
is the map maker done with my map?
Anonymous
3FC3c
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No.13729
13730 13731
>>13728
Yep.
>>13726
Trump and Tracy are at the apartments, Torcuil is at the tower, and Infernius is,... not specified at the moment.
>>13727
Now I'm confused again
Anonymous
/tbMl
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No.13730
>>13729
cool cool are we in cinema mode?
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13731
>>13729
>I'm confused
I will say nothing except that this slight has been noted and will be remembered

Inferius should be outside of the apartment building, which does not have a specified location but should be near the main plaza. You will be able immediately to join with Trumpaladin, Tracy, and Korak and all of the pirates as they go to the harbor. Or go immediately to the map shop

GM, if I can select actions, I would like to don armor before leaving, at least through the medium level, pick up my arms, and while walking, CALL MOUNT. The time during the walk should be filled with attempts at friendly dialogue
Anonymous
3FC3c
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No.13733
13740 13745 13747 20280
Alright. This is Tracy specific (no one knows this) but here's the quick rundown on Thez' ducats.
There are about 13 pieces of jewelry ~1-1.5k in value, floral patterns and motifs.
There is a little over 1kgp in assorted coin (mostly larger coin, with some pieces and plates of platinum and other metals).
There are dozens of chains of larger and smaller capacity, all totaling about 2kgp in value.
There are several bracelets, bangles, and other assorted jewelry valued at about 3kgp.
There is a matching set of embroidered velvet gloves, "pants", and masquerade mask, totalling 1kpg (gilt, stones, etc.).
There is a pile of earrings, ear cuffs, toe rings, totalling about .5kgp.
There is a small empty skull-shaped bottle with a jewelled stopper (.5kgp), and a larger spherical bottle that is so full there is no air in it, also with a jewelled stopper.
There's a solid-gold garter with rubies along its surface that has the "knife sheath" that she wore openly. The sheath is a sheath of holding, capable of holding anything from a dagger to a claymore as though it were a wee pocket-knife.
There's the frilly-lace and platinum garter which has the array of stones and which is the combination device that holds "the" stones. There's the mounting jewelry that Thez attached the quiver to her tail with, which is an over-the-top piece consisting of fragmented rubies arranged in a manner that makes it look like dragon's scale.
The whole material value of the set is near 100kgp, and if one knows what's inside, the value is more like 500kgp.
Anonymous
/tbMl
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No.13734
13735
>>13732
how do you open locks with no fingers?
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13735
>>13734
stab keyholes with knives
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13736
13738
>>13732
How did this get unspoilered?
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13737
13739
>>13732
>unquenchable... friskiness
...
>Gilded, Silk Adorned saddle that her husband never uses
Maybe if she tried half as hard to woo him as Fae did, she'd get further
Anonymous
/tbMl
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No.13738
13739 13743
>>13736
grrentext dont mix well with spoilers
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13739
13743
>>13738
It was partially spoilered earlier
>>13737
ROUGH DRAFT
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13740
13741 13742 13750
>>13733
What is kgp? We've been using shekels?
>All of this fine jewelry that would look great on a trophy wife but is never used

Why did Thez will almost everything to Tracy
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13741
13743
>>13740
Because she'd keep it safe.
Anonymous
/tbMl
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No.13742
13747
>>13740
for the babby
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13743
13744 13746
>>13739
>>13738
It was just godawful to read completely spoilered. I went to look at it in Edit and there was a "s" but no ending. I edited out the spoiler because it was just awful

>>13741
Sitting on it uselessly like a dragon on a horde or a jew on his gold
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13744
>>13743
Like I said, it was just a rough draft; I didn't intend for other players to read it take it to heart. I just wanted advice from GM.
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13745
13747 13750
>>13733
>Thez wrote me out of the Will
Another slight that will be remembered
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13746
>>13743
Like I said, it was just a rough draft; I didn't intend for other players to read it take it to heart. I just wanted advice from GM.
Anonymous
+Bs2P
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No.13747
13748 13750
>>13742
This.
The foal will have a great upbringing.
>>13745
You can have access to it after you finish the wedding ceremony and become part of the unified family.
>>13733
Is this in the bag, or is it part of the stuff that Tracy would've found in her room and transferred to the treasure chamber in the >RapeDungeon during that week after?
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13748
13749
>>13747
The damage is done. No matter, he does not need Thez any more than he needs you. Not anymore.
Anonymous
/tbMl
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No.13749
>>13748
ouch
Anonymous
3FC3c
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No.13750
13752
>>13740
It wasn't a Will, she just threw it all in her 'pocket', and ended up giving that to Tracy cuz OMFGWTFBBQ
Kgp = 1000gp
>>13745
Are you KIDDING?! She gave u her frickin' sword!!!
>>13747
Purely bag contents, omitting the pieces u know about (dragon crown-thing, butterfly brooch, ladybug charm, etc.).
Anonymous
SKXd0
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No.13752
13753
>>13750
Was the side pocket itself gifted to Tracy?
So is a gold piece a shekel?

Only counts as one item
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>>13752
The side pocket is attached to the quiver, so yes. A gp is a shekel.
>>13752
>only one
What a jew
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>>13753
>What a jew
You clearly see that the items were not distributed even remotely close to evenly

So it's Tracy's quiver?
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Will we have a session tonight? I'm free for the night.
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>>13754
Are you a commie then?
>>13755
Maybe, dunno
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>>13755
same
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>>13756
Why was so much more left to Tracy though?