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Chaos Ascending: Order Descended
Anonymous
D4XVt
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No.111710
111712 111715 111724 111775
Welcome to thread two of AnCap's Epic Pony Adventure.

As we left off last time, the party of ponies and a cow had been teleported away by Discord. They are waking up in the back of a wagon, as a creamy colored pony with a multihued brown mane gazes at them over the wagon's edge.
844 replies and 86 files omitted.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113022
113023
>>113021
Yes, it does say "a warded cleric". It does NOT say "a cleric who wards themselves". And no, I don't play clerics.
>>113020
Literally who?
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113023
113024
>>113022
Oh please. As if that line was meant to exemplify a party with two freaking Clerics.
You have played a Cleric. I know you have, both of them used Sanctuary on themselves. One was a unicorn, the other was an elf.

Another example is a Demilich. A demilich gets harm as an at-will SLA. In it's description, it says it uses Harm usually to heal itself. Harm is a touch-range at-will necromancy spell. That is right there an example of a creature using a touch-range spell on itself.
Anonymous
fP/oi
?
No.113024
113026
>>113023
>a cleric and a unicorn
You're clearly mistaking me for someone else
"Yeah, he's never played a cleric dude"
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113026
113034 113036
>>113024
Oh come on. I remember distinctly when a certain rogue attempted to attack a certain NPC unicorn Cleric, only to have her knife slip right through (with no saving throw) because said Cleric had warded itself with Sanctuary. I also remember the time when another Healbot schizophrenic elf had used Sanctuary on itself because it wasn't allowed to participate in the melee.

You're just being anal about this. It's really starting to piss me off now.
This is common sense RAI, and unquestionable RAW. The description for touch says nothing about not touching yourself, at all. Touch range spells are spells that can be cast on creatures within touching range. A spellcaster, even the one casting the spell, is a creature in range.
Do you really think that Clerics can't use Cure Light wounds on themselves because the range is touch? Video game adaptations let paladins and clerics use all their healing tools on themselves. Clerics have healed themselves in D&D CRPGs going back to Pool Of Radiance.
Then there's just about every low-level spell you see on the list of typical potions (potions have to be touch range spells), like Darkvision, Jump, Mage Armor, Endure Elements, Spider climb, etc. Do you really think that one of those spells effect the caster?
The Description for Permanency says that Darkvision (touch Range) is one of the few spells that can be made permanent on a creature. Not only does it say that it can be made permanent, but that the caster can only make it permanent on himself; so it'd be absurd for them to say that if the caster couldn't first cast darkvision on himself as a touch range spell.
Then there's mage armor: a touch range creation spell that gives an armor bonus to AC equivalent to a chainshirt, that does not stack with actual armor. If a spellcaster couldn't cast Mage Armor on himself, what good would the spell be? It's not useful for creatures already proficient in light armor. It'd certainly make being an Abjurant Champion suck if they couldn't use Mage Armor on themselves.
Do you think that Paladins get Resist Energy (touch) to only protect other party members from dragonfire, instead of using it on themselves to tank the attack? Do you think that they get Eagle's Splendor to increase another party member's Charisma, instead of using it to buff their own Charisma-based class features?
How is a Druid supposed to melee damage a creature with X/magic DR if he can't cast Magic Fang (yet another touch range spell) on himself?
Do you think that Assassins get Jump, Spider climb, Nondetection, or Pass Without A Trace for the sake of using said spells on anyone but themselves?

If you're going to bitch about what my character does, at least get it right. It's quite frankly none of your business. If you think this is okay, why don't you show me your character sheet so I can point out any of the questionable rule interpretations there?
Anonymous
fP/oi
?
No.113034
113035 113036
>>113026
>unicorn
Oh, you mean the game where I expressedly bastardized half the rules, openly and flagrantly?
>elf
Oh, you mean the character that was thrust on me against my better judgement?
yawn
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113035
>>113034
I'm done arguing about this. I cited plenty of relavant examples, and I don't think you'd be convinced either way.
Pardon me for ending with a bad faith argument, but I really don't believe you even think touch range spells work that way.
If you think stacking Persist with Extend for a 1 hour buff spell for the sake of preparing more spells was too cheesy, that's one thing, but don't bullshit me with absurd interpretations of spell range.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113036
113039
>>113034
>>113026
Ash's argument makes sense.
I think you're deliberately arguing this only to cause drama at this point.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113039
113043 113076
>>113036
Indeed, the permanency/darkvision argument is reasonable and sound. The text of permanency makes clear that with the initial spell (darkvision) you have to cast it on yourself immediately prior to casting permanency on yourself.
The implication is that while there are no other overt references that contest the written word of range spells, that the individuals who compiled the core rules intended it to be that way.
But that's all a moot point now for two reasons. The first is that GM already told him no, and the second is that,... well you'll hear soon enough.
Don't kid yourself into thinking this is an isolated issue though.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113043
113046
>>113039
>GM already told him no
Do you have the post to confirm it?
What about the other examples presented like Cure X Wounds?
I feel it's not, but sounds more like interpretations more than absolute truth from either party in this situation.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113046
113048
>>113043
Why don't you ask him?
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113048
>>113046
I'd rather not. This is quite unproductive all things considered.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113076
113091 113092
>>113039
You know, I'm fine with whatever the DM says, but when you make an incorrect assertion that supposedly applies to all touch range spells and abilities, I'm going to speak up about it.

Can I please just ask that you just mind your own character? It's really not your call to make.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113091
113092
arguing.jpg
>>113076
>You know, I'm fine with whatever the DM says
Sure you are

Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113092
113093 113095
>>113091
>>113076
Stop this nonsense already.
You're both on the same team, for God's sake.
Respect eachother's boundaries for the remainder of this session.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113093
>>113092
That's a good point.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113095
113098
>>113092
And in character, we are
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113098
113105
>>113095
OOC, too.
At least in things related to the campaign.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113105
113108
>>113098
>OOC, too
Explain
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113108
113109 113112
>>113105
You do want your character stop Discord, right? Or do you want to fail intentionally and make the cowe sad and bitter?
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113109
113113 113130
>>113108
I'd love to.
I'd also like to know how Ash's player justifies a 60 Wis
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113110
113113
Oh wait, "that's none of my business"
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113112
113113 113116
ninja_cow_by_nebbzangelsinferno_d2yx9bw-fullview.jpg
>>113108
Ninja Cowe didn't seem like a bitter individual to me, but I don't really know very much about her yet. She's rather cryptic.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113113
>>113109
>>113110
This is why I said OOC, you're a team, too.
Let Ash talk it out to the GM.
Because for all intents and purposes, he's the one with the authority to accept or reject any PCs actions, since he's the God of this world.
>>113112
I honestly don't care about individuals' personalities or emotions in this instance. This dumb stuff needs to be stopped at the roots, because this only increases tensions between players in the long run.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113116
113119 113130
>>113112
Ninja cowe is dealing with a bunch of ponies she's never met before, doesn't know that she can trust, against a foe beyond her current comprehension.
Oh sure, she can bust some crazy moves and damage, but getting Thanos-snapped into a sunscreen bottle is outside her area of expertise. And no, she's not an extrovert when it comes to expressing herself.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113119
113123 113130
>>113116
She does know the kirin dragonborn, and the unicorn-dragon-earth poner trio do want to stop Discord. Why would she distrust those ones after being placed in the same situation as her?
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113123
113125 113130
>>113119
At this point, she doesn't know anything. She knows that the Kirin has amazing powers, but Discord had amazing powers.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113125
113127 113136
>>113123
Oh. She's disheartened over the foe before her.
But she did witness Discord's entire arm being disintegrated as if an actual Thanos-snap deleted it.
She should therefore know that they are the key to restoring balance/order/harmony to the land and not all hope is lost.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113127
113136
>>113125
By the gemstone Discord touched.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113130
113136
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>>113109
Increasing Ability stats with spells at epic level isn't hard at all. I can get a +32 untyped bonus to Strength with Giant Size as a personal Domain spell, and an additional +12 enhancement bonus to Strength With Bite Of The Weretiger, to myself or to a party member. If you add that to a Legendary Bear Or Spinosaurus's 36 racial Strength score, you're looking at 80 Strength right there, 85 after the +5 inherent bonus. A Garngroth has 46 racial strength, so that can get up to 95. If I can think of any 8th or lower Cleric spell that gives a Sacred bonus to strength, it could possibly be 100+, if the need arose for such a mega-hyper-overkill boost to raw strength. I could persist all of those spells right now with the Tome Dragon's Free metamagic, but that'd feel unnecessarily abusive...
And with an epic spell using the Fortify seed, there's no upper limit to how much i could increase my stats with enough mitigation. A permanent +30 Enhancement bonus to Wisdom is technically within my reach, but it's not like my character has time to develop such spells to increase her personal power when she's busy playing whack-a-mole with chocolate clouds. Also, that'd be simply too cheesy, and I know Epic Spellcasting is ludicrously broken so I'm a bit wary of pushing it's boundaries (which is why I haven't developed my own spell yet...).

I even prepared Extended Owl's Insight again today even though it'll last 48 hours for me, in case another party member needed a buff. I prepared Bite Of the weretiger too, even though my Shapechanging abilities don't leave me wishing for anymore strength.
>>113116
>>113123
Does Cowe wish to join the legendary battle? Cowe could succeed if she made some good friends that could buff her up to Hercules level strength.
>>113119
And the kirin is very, very convicted in her plight to get rid of the jackass who's been making the bubblegum clouds rain chocolate.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113132
113134
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I need an opinion.
Which mane color looks better?
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113134
>>113132
I prefer the darker tone, but the light based one is ok in my book.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113136
113137 113143
>>113125
>>113127
That doesn't translate into confidence in her apparent allies
>>113130
She already has herculean strength, thanks to an artifact item GM-approve-stacked with another item. That's not the point. Also, those bonuses don't stack outside GM's approval. And THAT is the crux of my objections.
>85
>95
>fucking 100+
If you think this is how the game mechanics were intended, we're clearly playing different games
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113137
113138 113141
>>113136
What's the alternative? Fight the chaos deity on her own? Why not take advantage of the bold/stupid ponies who are clearly intent on fighting the discordant element with or without her? One clearly hammered the cultist who summoned her while the other summoned a huge ectoplasmic beast out of nowhere and has both a dragon, an Earth Pony and thousand of followers. It should be enough to at least convince cowe to stick by them.
Although I would get it if she's not so sure about Candy, since she didn't have a chance to show her powers.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113138
113141
>>113137
*who summoned Discord while
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113141
113144
>>113137
>>113138
As far as she knows, that pegasus got a pinched nipple and naught much else. You're still neglecting the major issue here. Cowe has far less reservations about this than I do
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113143
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>>113136
Nothing in the game works outside of GM approval.

RAW, those bonuses absolutely stack, but it's not like I've actually done it or intend to do it unless the sudden need arose to throw a mountain-sized object into the sun, since it eclipses class niches and that's lame. It was just an example of how bonuses can go really high if buffed by an epic spellcaster. At epic level, literally anything is plausible. An Optimized War Hulk + Hulking Hurler can throw planet sized objects and deal damage that scales by strength. A lvl 25 Necromancer could potentially develop a spell that could channel all of the souls on the planet into one gem and use said souls to grant himself an infinite enhancement bonus to int.
Also, you came into the game with an artifact item as starting equipment and now you're accusing me of questionable conduct? You don't see me complaining.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113144
113145 113147 113296
>>113141
>pinched nipple
Have you forgotten the turtle literally doing a fireworks show by using its 47 spell slots on her?

I ask again. What alternative do you have? You alone don't have the capacity to fight everything by yourself.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113145
maxresdefault.jpg
>>113144
Spellfire. Quite the interesting power, despite the crappy 3.0 mechanics.
The damage sucks, and I wouldn't normally consider the feat on any other character, but boy is it fancy.
Anonymous
U+nsw
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No.113147
113148 113149
>>113144
Are you done? That never was the point
Anonymous
QVCkh
?
No.113148
113150
>>113147
What point?

Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113149
113150
>>113147
What is the point then?
Does Cowe want to fight Discord?
Anonymous
U+nsw
?
No.113150
113151 113152
>>113148
>>113149
Oh, okay, we're playing dumb then? Have fun with that.
Anonymous
QVCkh
?
No.113151
>>113150
Is it simply due to 'reservations'?
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113152
>>113150
No, you're just not communicating.

What do you even want?
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113153
113155
And it looks like game night is cancelled... Too bad, I was really hoping to play tonight.
Anonymous
QVCkh
?
No.113155
113157
>>113153
Me too.
However, he may appear in a moment's notice. It's too early to call it over for today.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113157
>>113155
I guess that's true.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113162
[meditates in Druidic]
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113164
113166
*dabs on Phosphorus*
Anonymous
QVCkh
?
No.113166
113169
>>113164
TRIGGERED
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113169
113170
FB_IMG_1564651083601.jpg
>>113166
[Insert Draconic translation here]
>"Lol get dabbed-on, gemboi."
Anonymous
QVCkh
?
No.113170
113171
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>>113169
[Insert Draconic translation here]
>"Imma tell Topaz you're bullying me. She'll kick your flank, you overgrown fern!"

Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113171
113172
>>113170
>overgrown fern
Oof...
*Combs mane*
[Insert more Draconic banter here]
>"Lol u gonna run over to your mommy, fence-sitter?" XP
[smug Dragonborn noises]
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113172
113173
>>113171
[claw digging intensifies]
>"S-shut up! You're just jealous I have a caring owner"
*dragon rubbing unsuspecting unicorn in progress.
"You really are quite energetic today, Phospy."
*pat pat*
>"Check mate, insect homestead."
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113173
113174
>>113172
Oh shit.
Well now I'm jealous.
*sectarian violence escalates*

[Draconic banter of a 750 year old unwed mare]
>"I-I-I.. I don't need that. Jealousy is beneath me. Bahamut be praised."
*Kicks the soil slightly*
Anonymous
QVCkh
?
No.113174
113177
>>113173
[Smug dragon grin intensifies]
"You aren't getting into trouble now, are you, Phospy?"
[Smug dragon grin stops. Commecing sweating and intense shaking of the head.]
"...you're awfully wetter than you usually are. You haven't been messing with the nice kirin, have you?"
[Sweating intensifies]
>"S-she star-"
"None of that, you say sorry right now."
>"B-bu-"
"No buts! Go say sorry!"
*whimper*
>"S-sorry for being not nice, quadruped."
*kicks the soil slightly*
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113175
113176
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Best language.
Anonymous
QVCkh
?
No.113176
>>113175
Indeed.
Good thing Topaz knows it.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113177
113178
>>113174
*Banishes impure thoughts*

>"An I apologize as well, for being boorish..."
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113178
113179
>>113177
"Now hug it out, you two."
>"W-what?! I'm n-"
"Do you want me to repeat myself?"
>"N-no..."
*opens arms for possible kirin hugs*
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113179
113181
>>113178
*Puffs out chest fluff*
*Hugs*
Anonymous
QVCkh
?
No.113181
113182 113183
>>113179
[Flustered Dragon noises]
>"D-don't expect it to become normal or anything."
*giggling gem-named unicorn in close vicinity*
t2DcA
?
No.113182
113183 113184
[1d20+25 = 43]
>>113181
Rolling Proffesion (masseuse) to hug dragon gently.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113183
113184
>>113181
>>113182
[*God-like* hugging noises]
Anonymous
QVCkh
?
No.113184
113186
>>113182
>>113183
[Steam exhaling intensifies.]
>"F-fine! We can do this once per day."
*Chuckling unicorn*
"He likes you."
[Even more flustered dragon noises]
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113186
113187 113188
>>113184
*Pets neutral-aligned dragon*
>"Hmmph. You're not so bad now are you."
Anonymous
QVCkh
?
No.113187
113188 113190
>>113186
*steamy exhale*
>"S-stop it! I am a dragon! I am to be feared and respected!"
*Topaz pets neutral-aligned dragon*
>"N-not you too!"
*whimper whimper*
Candy Swirl
jYX4M
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No.113188
113190 113194
>>113187
>>113186
[Giggling unicorn artificer noises]
She says in Draconic
"Ash and Phopsy sitting in a tree, H u g g i n g."
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113190
113191 113194
>>113187
*Petting intensifies*
>>113188
*Turns you into a newt*
Candy Swirl
jYX4M
?
No.113191
113192 113194
>>113190
Giggling newt noises
"Then comes love, then comes marriage then comes another kirin in a baby carriage."
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113192
113194
>>113191
*YEETs newt*
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113193
113196
*watches newt fly over the horizon*
"Alcoholism.. not even once."
Anonymous
QVCkh
?
No.113194
>>113188
>>113190
*Giggling Topaz intensifies*
>"N-no, s-stop it~"
[Embarrased dragon noises]
*wriggle wriggle*
>>113191
>>113192
[Flustered dragon noises]
*Topaz stroking intensifies*
>"Cease, please! I'll do anything to stop this tortuous interaction!"
*steam intensifies*
Candy Swirl
jYX4M
?
No.113196
>>113193
An iron golem catches the newt.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113206
I just realized I forgot to specify my 10th level spells.
I guess it'll be Time Duplicate and Crown Of Vermin then.
Anonymous
2/QLc
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No.113213
113215 113222
So this is where you’ve been spending your time.

Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113215
113217
>>113213
That's an admittedly creepy thing to say without context.
Anonymous
2/QLc
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No.113217
113218
>>113215
He dares to speak
Not good. NOT GOOD!
SILENCE! You have no authority here
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113218
113221
>>113217
You're technically correct, my good sir.
I am but a humble player in the grand cosmos. What business brought you here, stranger?
Anonymous
2/QLc
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No.113221
113228
>>113218
Vanish, fool
Roll saving throw, CL 42
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113222
113225
>>113213
Wtf?
Anonymous
2/QLc
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No.113225
113226
>>113222
You know
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113226
113229
>>113225
o_O
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113228
113233
>>113221
CL 42? I think that's not what you think it means.
I guess I'll roll, sure.
[1d20+26 = 29]
<???
Anonymous
2/QLc
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No.113229
>>113226
Come now player, it hasn’t been THAT long. Or has it? I can never tell
No good will come of this. ~_~
Anonymous
2/QLc
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No.113233
113234 113236
>>113228
Caster level? Yes it means precisely that
A purplish form with bright pink hai coalesces in the sky.
What? Gm abdicated, so there is nothing preventing me from manifesting.
>>113228
By the way, you are eliminated down to your very essence. I do hope someone in the periphery can wish you back, not that it’s of any concern to me
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113234
113236 113239 113242
>>113233
When did GM abdicate?
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113236
>>113233
Oh. Good thing I'm Legion tho.
This is a bit weird all things considered.
You sure sound rattled.
>>113234
He seems like an impatient individual.
Anonymous
2/QLc
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No.113239
113240 113243
>>113234
You have one chance, use it
Anonymous
2/QLc
?
No.113240
>>113239
You talk big for one who doesn’t exist
Anonymous
2/QLc
?
No.113242
>>113234
It’s Her
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113243
113244 113245
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>>113239
>No GM
Well I guess I'll just stop time, planeshift into the Astral plane, use Shapechange and Time Duplicate to use a Sarrukh's Manipulate Form on myself, make it a free action, and grant myself every ability of every monster and every class, become immune to every possible attack, and gain infinitely high stats in every category.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113244
Hm...
This seems a bit forced in my opinion.
I know it can get boring out there, but creating something is better than mere destruction of others' belongings.
>>113243
Kek. Nice move.
Anonymous
2/QLc
?
No.113245
113246
>>113243
Come now, don’t hold back on me now
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113246
113247
punpunposter.jpg
>>113245
I am Pun Pun. I fear nothing.
Anonymous
2/QLc
?
No.113247
113248 113249
>>113246
Kirin fool, you waste my time!
<whoooof>
Initiate maneuver, Time Stands Still
You’re not gonna make me draw this out are you?
Candy Swirl
jYX4M
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No.113248
113252 113262
>>113247
Was that a jojo reference?
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113249
>>113247
There is no power above Pun Pun.
Give me your worst.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113252
113255 113262
>>113248
9th level diamond mind Maneuver that gives you a second full round of attacks the turn you initiate it.
Pun Pun can do it too, as a free action, as many times per turn as he pleases.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113255
113257 113263 113264
>>113252
And what about that random saving throw?
I assume he did it because he was spooked of my character and what it could do.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113257
113260
>>113255
He's just flaunting his OC's character level. That's an SLA with a caster level based on total hit dice.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113260
>>113257
Understandable.
I do have to wonder how does he actually know the GM abdicated.
Anonymous
2/QLc
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No.113262
113267
>>113248
*Grabs Candy by the scruff*. You and I have unfinished business!
This strange entrant glares at everyone.
This one is mine!
>>113252
Yes, after her round is resolved
<whooof>
Aaaaand she’s gone. As the whisps that we’re her form dissipate, her disembodied voice taunts: Too bad you’re not Pun pun fagit! Ha! Not only did I take what I wanted, but you also revealed your hand! Get gud fgt!
And with that, the crazy bitch Hey! vanishes with Candy in tow. For now.

Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113263
>>113255
*Creates infinite identical copies of Candy*
Anonymous
2/QLc
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No.113264
113265 113266
>>113255
No, you definitely died. Destruction, Caster Level 42
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113265
>>113264
Caster level doesn't matter for Destruction for any purpose other than to overcome spell resistence. It's a Charisma-based Fortitude save DC.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113266
>>113264
Eh, dying is subjective.
Besides, who did you even kill?
Candy Swirl
jYX4M
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No.113267
>>113262
"Wee!"
Anonymous
2/QLc
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No.113271
113273
And Thez has her way. Again. Sheesh
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113273
113278 113279
>>113271
I honestly don't know what you were expecting at this point.
You know Ash is the most competent and knowledgable on spells, and you're delving in the most complex area of Epic Level Casting(TM). You're basically screwed even if you wield an OC with immense power, because she knows any and all counters.
Anonymous
2/QLc
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No.113278
113279 113284
>>113273
It’s so sad that you think that. Oh well, ignorance is bliss after all. She got what she came for you will still need a resurrection btw
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113279
113284 113285
>>113273
Nah, he knows what he's talking about. It's just some late-night shitposting.
It's not really a contest anyway. Becoming Pun Pun was just a joke about "the DM abdicated". A lvl 4 character can become omnipotent in one round if you abuse infinite loops.
The only creature that can theoretically beat Pun Pun is the Omnificer: a lvl 4 elf Artificer that threw himself off a cliff with Masocism and Favor Of The Martyr to sustain an infinite damage loop and instantly grant himself infinite stats. And even so, the way he beats Pun Pun isn't even clear. It's just evident that the lvl 4 omninipotent onicient character being slightly more impressive than the lvl 5 one.
>>113278
*Wishes everything back to normal*
Anonymous
qK6uc
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No.113283
>>113280
Oh to be so naive
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113284
>>113279
>>113278
GG
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113285
113286
>>113279
To be fair, it does not exactly sound like shitposting. It has an air of uneasiness to it.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113286
113287 113288
>>113285
That it does.. I only know it's shitposting because I have a tiny bit of context.
It seems as though Anon let his Tulpa out of the box again.
Anonymous
qK6uc
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No.113287
113288 113289
>>113286
Ding
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113288
113289
>>113286
>>113287
I suppose it's not a Jackie Chan one. He would've at least tried to Drunken Fist everyone.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113289
113290
>>113287
It's nothing but irritating to a person who doesn't know what's going on though, Mrs. Disassociative Identity.
>>113288
Nah, it's sort of like that.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113290
113291
>>113289
I did read my share of Tulpa stories, but they usually turn comical or are otherwise LARPers with extra steps.
I must admit, it's quite the boring one overall.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113291
113292 113293
>>113290
Idk what to say right now.

It's almost 3 AM where I am and my brain has almost completely turned to mush now so that I can't really formulate a rational response to any of this autism.
I'm going to try to force myself to sleep. I'm only still up because I pumped a bunch of different energy stimulents with the anticipation of playing games all night.

Goodnight, Anons.
Candy Swirl
jYX4M
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No.113292
>>113291
Night
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113293
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>>113291
Night Anon.
Anonymous
K3TRc
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No.113296
113297 113298 113299 113309
I guess, I will throw in my interpretation of what he meant.
I think our Cowe player meant that his character had some minor reservations to join the party in its fight against Discord just as my character has. I think his real problem, however, is that he doesn't like that Ash is over powered and that is what his main point is.

Let me just say that, Ash is actually my favorite chracter in the party, personality-wise. I guess, it is because she values things I value, like: Religion, higher ideals, dedication, children, and nature. So obviously, I like her, however.

She is a Mary Sue. Maybe this is a consequnence of playing on such a high level but Ash has no weakness she hasn't covered. She can only be overpowered (Discord) not outmanuvered (Example: The GM expoits her weaknesses in an encounter). I can point to several examples on why I think this throughout this thread but I will just use the fact that she could teleport the elements of harmony to her. Ending the campagin before it really began.

>>113144
>You alone don't have the capacity to fight everything by yourself.
Yes, that is true but the reverse question is more intresting. Would Ash be able to finish this campagin solo by herself? Yes, I can totally see that happening.

So, like I am a newbie so I can't tell you which ones' interpretation of the rules is right when it comes to touch and personel teleportation. I thought the arguments against teleportation through touching yourself were stronger but I am in no position to know so I won't touch on it. My opinion doesn't matter. However, I don't think that's the main issue here.

It is the ridiculous flexibility of Ash's powers. I would have said that they cheapen the story's tension if we weren't fighting against Discord himself. Now, the only problem I see with it is also proabably the problem the Cowe player sees. Because of the wide range of powers Ash posses there is nothing Cowe has that she could add to the team, no specialization that Ash doesn't already have. Ash is probably better than Cowe in everyway. Ash has made Cowe extranous to the adventure and therefore there is no intrest for that player to play the game.

To a degree this is okay with me because I am fine with playing a side chracter while someone else plays the main character but I can see why some others would have a problem with it and in this case, I might be projecting from my limited understanding of the game, it seems my character would add nothing to the progression of the plot.

Okay, this might be a bit cunty and passive agressive but I think this vid is basically what I mean, I think. Not everything applies to the this situation, of course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHCGiqrblqg


Anonymous
K3TRc
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No.113297
>>113296
Nothing personal. Just my tow cents.
Anonymous
K3TRc
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No.113298
>>113296
I guess the counter-argument for this is that this is an epic level campagin so obviously your character can do everything. This is kinda the reason I am thinking about quit playing this campagin because playing such a powerful chracter does not intrest me.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113299
113309 113310
>>113296
No, that pretty much sums it up for me. Here's a snippet of a Discord conversation between me (Cowe) and Ash's player, that in his own words illustrates my frustration.
C: "Oh? How many times did your character get age bonuses?"
A: "Twice."

For reference characters gain stats as they age - specifically Intelligence and Wisdom - in exchange for a loss of Str, Dex, and Con,... unless they reverse age themselves, then they get to keep the bonuses but recoup the losses, which was apparently done twice, a flagrant sploit by any measure.

"And you know what, I'll admit that I really did pump up my PCs capabilities. [...] I replaced her Exalted Feats with Epic feats using the Dark Chaos Feat Shuffle method. I gave her her ability to turn undead, making her CaDzilla. I went ahead and picked the best ways to increase my stats, or at least as far as I could within the limits of Vow Of Poverty (which I considered to be a handicap that favored flavor over power). I took the most powerful PrC available to druids. I built her so that she could potentially kill a deity, because I expected we might have to. Sue me.
Thing is, when I made this character, I didn't just mean to make her a typical Ascetic Druid, like she was in the other game. I built her to represent the oldest and strongest druid in history, fit for an epic adventure. She was meant to be a time-traveling planar guardian Messiah figure with the mission to protect the world from the greatest of evils [...] to represent the oldest and strongest druid in history, fit for an epic adventure. She was meant to be a time-traveling planar guardian Messiah figure with the mission to protect the world from the greatest of evils"

Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113309
>>113296
>>113299
*wakes up from nap*
Give me a moment to respond.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113310
113313
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>>113299
And yet the last time I dared to mention Discord, I found that my posts had been edited/deleted...

I am peeved.

Can I just say, could you give me a fucking chance? All this time, you've been complaining about how potentially derailing my character might be by virtue of her tier 1 class powers, when this game has barely even started, and the party hasn't even been faced with any major battle. Sure, my PC is optimized, but it's not like I was intentionally trying to derail the game or make it all about myself like some kind of massive turbo-faggot. We haven't entered combat even once yet, so why has all this dick-measuring started so early? Do you think that just because I played a tier 1 caster who could fill any role, that I wouldn't leave any role open to the players who wanted them? You seem to believe that I'm going to just hog all of the spotlight and flex on everpony because I supposedly have so sense of self-control or fun? If I wanted to do the whole campaign by myself, i wouldn't play D&D; I'd just write a fantasy novel. Do you think I'm such a terrible sport that this game can't be fun just because my character is high-OP?

But I have to say, should you really be complaining about balance when you chose to play a monk in a party that had 4 spellcasters? You know as well as I do that 3.5e isn't even close to balanced when it comes to base classes. A low-OP druid is always going to be more powerful than a high-OP monk; that's just a failure of game design. Despite that, it's still completely possible to play a good game, so long as every party member focuses on their PC instead of dick-measuring with the others. Everybody in the party is supposed to have their particular role; how powerful each PC is in their particular niche shouldn't necessarily be problem for the rest of the party.

In the three weeks before the campaign began, the rest of us were having fun trying to make the most awesome characters, but you wouldn't say anything about your character or how to improve your build. I asked you multiple times what role you wanted your character to play in the party. I did so persistently because I wanted to avoid eclipsing your desired party niche, like let you handle 80% of the melee, or stealth missions, or reconnaissance, or grappling, or whatever it is you wanted to do in this game. Every time I asked you, you only gave me cryptic, unproductive, sometimes ominous responses while saying you were "foreshadowing". You refused to tell the group anything about what you wanted to do, and even two weeks into the game you still hadn't made your character sheet, and now you wonder why my PC, and the rest of the party, seems so powerful compared to yours? What did you expect? What did you even want out of this, if it took you so long to bring it up?
And after all this, why is it my character in particular that bothers you so much? Sure, she's optimized, but not even a quarter as powerful as she could have been if i decided to use items. We've got a Queen-of-All-Psions with 2000+ believers, who commands two other characters. We've got an artificer with the capability to replicate the powers of every spellcasting class (including mine) if given the resources. I'm not the only player high-power player here.
All the significant story actions my character has performed so far are:
>cast a heroes feast to give the party and town a free meal/buff
>dispel a few bubblegum-chocolate clouds
>Gate in Topaz's believers, for everypony's convenience
>Try to scry on one of the quest items in the dragonlands, only to find that (shocker) there was a dragon there
>Attempt to pinch one of the main villains to death, knowing very well that I couldn't kill her
>try to summon a monster to guard the town while we were away
>Cast one (1!) buffing spell on herself to prepare for the next fight
Of these actions, do any of them really seem so game-breaking unbalanced? I was just trying to fill roles i saw that the rest of the party may have not wanted to; and did my best to progress the story along smoothly. If i wanted to be an ass, I would have just teleported to the dragonlands alone and tried to finish that part of the quest all by myself, but I didn't because I'm not a faggot. And very little of this had anything to do with how optimized my character was; any Wizard, Cleric, or Druid could have done those things. If my character is so overpowered to the point that it eclipses the party, how has it shown?
And with all this, you've still repeatedly focused on my character instead of yours. With you it's always "he shouldn't have that!" instead of "can I get in on that?". When I cast one of my many, many potential buff spells on myself, you immediately started complaining that I shouldn't be able to use it, instead of asking to be buffed yourself. I even prepared the same exact spell for the day because i thought your character in particular could benefit from an Insight Bonus to Wisdom; I did that, because it's normal and polite for casters to buff their allies, because that's how teamwork works. Why does this have to be all about me?
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113312
Holy shit. I know my character is much stronger than yours; I'm a Druid and You're a Monk. That doesn't mean there's nothing for your character to do in the story though. Characters don't need to be balanced to have a fulfilling campaign. Why do you think my character is so imbalancing when we haven't even entered combat? Did you think I did not also promise GM that I wouldn't break the game, even if my character could?
What on earth do you expect me to do in order to make an Epic Druid on the same level of balance as a monk? Should she throw herself off a cliff and become quadriplegic? Even if I used Psychic Reformation to replace half of her feats with Skill Focus (underwater basket weaving), cut her primary casting stats in half, replaced all of her class levels with vanilla druid, and a paralyzed my PC from the waist down, she'd still be more powerful an optimized Monk; and quite frankly, I don't think you'd be satisfied with it.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113313
113315 113318
>>113310
>Why didn't you talk about your character
Because that's literally meta. Our characters don't know one another, what their capabilities are, etc. and any meta-discussion would have colored any interactions or story progression. Considering that the party literally just met one another, what each character is capable of - especially their 'finishing moves' and/or A game - is not something that would be openly discussed, outside an after-battle "Hey, what you did there was awesome, how did you do that" or other such dialogue. And in my particular case, Monks don't tend to broadcast their moves to strangers, that shit is a closely guarded secret.
In our last session, my character literally concluded that "Well, these are my allies, I guess I'll make the best of it", and I was perfectly willing to just go with it. As far as the touch/personal argument, I had previously admitted that the permanency argument was sound and I was rethinking my position. With that said, as the rulebooks are literally written, your interpretation of spell range seemed to be contradicted in a way that drastically changes the gameplay style. And when GM made an official (on discord) ruling YOU are the one who wouldn't stop pressing the issue.
Beyond that - and this may come as a surprise to you - but its not unheard of for non spellcasters to be wary of spellcasters and magic in general outside what they can identify/comprehend with their own two eyes, since spellcasters are the bane of melee fighters.
In character, my character's first impression of Ash was one of brashness and arrogance, first running off to attack Discord without knowing the full extent of the situation and then she completely ignored her when she introduced herself afterward. In her mind, the situation with Discord could have been handled in a way that didn't result in everyone getting turned into beach-items, and she only learned Ash's name when she decided to make a grand, spectacular display to the townsponies (NOT the party), and no she didn't eat the food because sometimes that's a good way to get killed.
As for the psion character, I have issues with 2000 followers as well both in and out of character, but I don't have almost 2 years of experience playing with Argentina and was willing to see how it played out. (you) on the other hand, I have the benefit of countless hours of playing with, including an observable disregard for other players.
I get that druids are more powerful than monks but you're not playing a druid, you're playing a God-killer druid in anticipation of having to kill a God, which is meta AF.
As for my delayed character creation, I'm trying to run a business as well as other activities pertaining to the site as you well know and in the numerous PMs between me and GM, he expressed a willingness to accommodate my schedule. So yes, I took my time to ensure that I was painting precisely within the lines and on the rare occasion that I went outside the lines I was given express approval to do so in advance. (cont?)
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113314
113315
I'm not holding my breath nor are you obligated to offer an explanation, but if you think that a 60 Wis isn't absurd, then we're clearly at an impasse. I'm sure there are plenty more elements that are if not blatant then implicit exploitations of the rules, but that's an aside.
And if when Ash did something that seemed to violate either the letter or the spirit of the rules and I asked GM about it he had said "Its fine, I know about it" or some indication that he was aware of the possibility and could therefore factor it in, I wouldn't have said "boo", but every time I asked him something he expressed nescience and confusion.
As Sven aptly pointed out, having an extremely powerful character in the party results in one of two scenarios:
Either the BBEG has to be so powerful in order to supply a challenge to the party that a balanced (read: having weaknesses) character is rendered irrelevant, or the uber character eliminates the challenge of participating in the scenario.
If you could go a single session without gloating about having spare wishes if the party wants one, or otherwise going on about what you can do when you sploit this supplement combined with that supplement and a host of others I could have kept my mouth shut. But since I can't help but be bombarded with all sorts of unwanted information (including dodgy shit) about your character especially during actual game-time (which ruins the immersion) I opted to say something.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113315
113317
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>>113313
>that's literally meta
That's just preparing for a game. I'll admit that my experience with offline d&d isn't that vast, but every time involved everyone in the group planning and chatting about what role they wanted to play in the story.

>>113314
To be real, my character is not as powerful as she could be. I could easily get to 60+ Wisdom without having to sacrifice 7 turn undead attempts if I had afforded my character the ability to use epic items (after all, my enhancement bonuses only progress by level). If I had made my PC neutral instead of good, she could cast both sanctified and corrupt spells. My PC is only about 1/4th as powerful as an optimized tier 1 caster could be (without exploiting infinite loops), but i didn't just build her for power, I built her to accurately represent the role I wanted to play. I only took this stupidly under-powered Vow Of Poverty feat because playing an artificer left me with a subtle disdain of how unapologetically broken the 3.5e item system is.

Sure, my PC is made to fight gods, but isn't that what the campaign is about? There are a lot of epic monsters who are actual gods with actual deific powers that could wipe out the entire party on the surprise round if unprepared. I built a character with powers appropriate for what I expected to encounter in an epic level adventure. Sealing a reality-warping chaos deity that can thanos-snap you into a turnip with no save requires nothing but an optimized character. I've seen the ELH suggestions for epic level adventures and the Elder Evils adventure modules. Epic level is a high-crunch, powergamed, rocket-tag setting where a single unblocked attack can mean certain doom for an entire party.
A gibbering orb can shoot 24 ray attacks at once, followed by 12 bite attacks, each with a chance for Improved Grab and a chance to swallow whole, then devouring all of the swallowed caster's spells and using them against the rest of the party, as a standard action. To counter that, I made a planar shepherd that had access to incorporeal forms to avoid being zapped, grabbed and eaten and have all of my spells sucked out on the surprise round.
A Protean, which is at exactly this party's CR, can duplicate any extraordinary ability as a free action. That means that it can make iself immune to every kind of spell (wil-o-wisp), split into infinite copies of itself (black pudding), Become incorporeal, gain any kind of damage reduction, duplicate any Ironheart, Stone Dragon, Tiger Claw, or Diamond mind maneuver (those are extraordinary abilities too), give itself temporary access to any feat, make iself immune to any kind of energy damage, change size from fine to colossal, ... etc. Oh, and it regenerates like a Tarrasque, and it has Dimensional Door, Detect Thoughts, and Planeshift at-will. It basically combines all of the nastiest parts of a Phasm, a Chaos Beast, and a Tarrasque, in addition to every other kind of creature that could kill a party member in one round. I strongly expect to fight a bunch of those because they're the epic monsters most closely associated with chaos and randomness. Sure, my character could try to escape from it, but not before it killed-off a party member and/or killed a bunch of innocent poners. To avoid absolute massacre, the only way to counter a monster like that is with immediate action, permanent, and persistent divination buffs, to warn the rest of the party that an nigh-invincible chaos spawn just manifested; then you would need to buff-up all of the party's martial characters so that they could deal enough nonlethal damage in the next several rounds to keep it from concentrating on teleportation so that they can knock it out and a spell-caster could use a wish or miracle to keep it dead. You need a spell-caster for that, and a spell-caster with greater spell-casting capabilities than a druid. Since it looked like there wasn't going to be any wizards or clerics in the party (at the time), I figured i'd try to get access to miracle and warp destiny through the Bonus domain feat. I made a character with Divine Metamagic so I could buff my allies and have those buffs last all day, so they wouldn't be easy-meat for epic monsters.
Then there's Infernal abominations who, thanks to their deific abomination traits, could slip through all of my divinations and defensive wards, grab me, bite me in throat and suck out my spells. How can I counter that? I really don't know. I'd just have to buff up the rest of the party and hope they can defend me from it while i try to pin it down with spells.
Then there's the possibility of a demilich, an optimized wizard, cleric or sorcerer impervious to all magic except for holy smite and kills you if it touches you. That's a monster that possesses all of the abilities my PC has, and much much more. I'd be afraid of fighting that, because the only way to deal with it would be to layer a fuckton of defensive wards and buff the party so they hopefully someone can damage it's astral projection hard enough and quickly enough for it to return to its private demiplane.
But really, there's a lot of stuff in those books that I don't think my PC could handle, let alone defend the rest of the party +2000 believers from. What if a Shape of Fire attacked and burned Topaz's believers and reanimated them all into an endless sea of lavawights? That would kill us unless you had a way to see into the future and stop the catastrophe from happening in the first place.

I built a god-fighter PC because CR 25 means fighting literal gods.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113316
113317
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>body was too long
And then there's Discord himself. He is not only a god, he possesses the most powerful deific abilities. What if he interferes when we're on the quest to find the powers to stop him? If he possesses Alter Reality, which i think he does, he may be capable of duplicating any spell from any class up to 9th level, which makes him practically omnipotent. He might not attack us directly, but he could really send some nasty chaos our way if he felt like it. What if he just snaps my horn away so i lose my magical powers? Idk what I'd do then. It'd be one thing to gather the elements to defeat him, but stopping millions of ponies across the world from dying requires a certain level of intense crunch.
Like, an example one of the earliest stages of an apocalypse could be The Restless Dead, which means every corpse of every creature on the planet suddenly reanimating all at once. Could you stop something like that without optimizing, while trying to prioritize the protection of all innocent creatures? I doubt it.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113317
113323
>>113315
>>113316
You really think GM is so much of a dick as to do any of that?
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113318
113322 113323
>>113313
I don't think it's about being a dick or not. It's about the appropriate challenge between the enemy and us. Since Ash bases herself on CR of our level, then it is quite understandable she prepares against said threats.
Otherwise, it may happen we curbstomp anything that dares oppose us.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113322
113325
>>113318
There's a fine line between being ready to respond to a situation and almost-maxing the character until its ECL is 10+ levels higher.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113323
113326
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>>113317
Those are all monsters as they appear in the epic level handbook. CR 25 is no joke.

Proteans and Gibbering Orbs, being literal manifestations of Chaos, are some of the most appropriate minions for Discord.
Hoary Hunters are CR 25 and always attack in groups. They're share a lot of archytypes with the wendigos from the show. Once they lock target, they will never stop hunting you, no matter how many times you kill them.
And then there's all all the other monsters in the 8 monster manuals.
A tiny shard of Pandorym's mind, which could be chipped from it's psionic crystal prison by a universal catastrophic event, is a CR 25 encounter. It has the power to completely cut off the Divine channel from a divine spell-caster, rendering them powerless: i'd be completely screwed if I failed that will save, so I looked for ways to buff my saves for something monstrous like that. So when I built, i built with the mindset of "how do i not get insta-killed by the ghost of the billion IQ psionic fedora that disproved god; and then stop it from consuming the souls of every creature on the planet before it disipates in 24 hours?"
What if the chaos and corruption in the world causes the hatred of the planet to manifest and awaken the entire continent as a Genius Loci? Who be more suitable for it to enslave than a lvl 25 Druid? What if that druid didn't optimize to ward from Enslavement, so then the Genius loci was able to take control of her mind and an epic level spellcaster in the party suddenly becames evil? That wouldn't end well.
>>113318
CR in d&d is a meme, and usually not a proper measurement of difficulty, but it's also what the book recommends DMs to challenge parties with. I was going to count on half of potential monsters being CR 25 and the rest of the harder encounters being higher.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113325
113326
>>113322
>ECL
ECL is nothing more than a mechanical measurement. It's a meme with no real impact on the game other than making certain races randomly higher ECL than others (like hobgoblins being +1 ECL, as if they were even close to as good as humans).
Like hell a lvl 20 Wizard should count as the same level as a lvl 20 Fighter. Not all levels/HD are created equal. That's why they made LA buy-off mechanics, since being an ogre at lvl 20 isn't the same advantage it it is at lvl 10.
>ready to respond
How do you respond to something that can turn you into a beachball with no save? You saw Discord in the show. He's omnipotent.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113326
113327 113329
>>113323
>>113325
You realize CR refers to individual monsters right? When they're in a group its higher. Look, we can go around and around. I maintain that I was going to let the matter drop after GM said "no", but rather than make a case to him you chose to keep pestering me about it. I admit I may have been wrong on that but its difficult to say because there are implicit contradictions even in just the one book, but I'm not the person who you should take it up with anyway. I'm done arguing this point or any others.
As for Discord, we can assume that his appearance is relatively unprecedented and therefore not something any of our characters could have legitimately prepared for. What actual character travels their respective world expecting that to happen? Moreover, he might not have turned us into beach apparel if you hadn't made like Judge Dredd with your "I am the law!".
P.S. Dying in D&D isn't the end of the world
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113327
d47lx41-6287b748-4736-4610-92f4-f2b0f8634e9d.jpg
>>113326
I built for what i decided was appropriate for the encounters we might face. My PC is far from invincible.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113328
113332
And on top of all of this, I had every part of my PC approved by the DM through every step of the creation process.
It's only you who thinks it's too OP to play.
If you seriously want me to just tear this sheet apart and roll up a new PC, I'd like to at least get through one encounter first.
Anonymous
t2DcA
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No.113329
>>113326
>What actual character travels their respective world expecting that to happen?
An Epic character who's spent the last 200 years doing important epic stuff.
My PC has 25 ranks in 4 different schools of knowledge: Discord may be new to her, but she's aware of the existence of things like Atropals and Xiecials.
Anonymous
t2DcA
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No.113330
113331
And it looks like Game Night is cancelled again...
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113331
>>113330
Seems like it, sadly.
Don't lose hope just yet. Perhaps we can at least reach the dragonlands aka get a description of it.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113332
113333
>>113328
>tear it up
Who said anything about that?

Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113333
113336 113338
>>113332
What do you even want? What is so significant about the build that I spent 3 months perfecting that makes you so butthurt.
If your answer is just "it's too strong", there's nothing about that that will make a significant difference if changed. She's not powerful because of her level of Optimization, she's OP because of her class. This is a mid-op build.
She'd still be astronomically more powerful than your character if every single one of her feats were replaced with Toughness.
Monks suck. Big whup.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113336
113337
>>113333
That. That right there. Contempt. Everything else is a symptom of it.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113337
>>113336
Wtf are you even talking about?
I've done nothing to imbalance the game yet, and I don't intend to, but you're you're acting like I just donkey-punched Loth.
Anonymous
T6uSv
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No.113338
113342 113365
>>113333
If she’s only powerful because of her class, then why not just have a more regular Druid build without a dozen pieces stitched together from various books outside of the SRD? Why have her aged twice - conveniently only after she receives timeless body at level 15, meaning she advanced to level 15 before hitting middle age, but only advanced 10 levels in the next 670 years? Why replace the free bonus feats that come with the Vow of Poverty with free Epic feats. Why calculate her skill levels incorrectly, when increases to Int do not retroactively add skill points. Why not just make a more normal level 25 Druid without a dozen source books, and questionable interpretations of the rules?

Just eliminate those aspects, and the grounds for complaint would be neutralized
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113342
113365
>>113338
I'd be content if the sploits weren't shoved in everyone's face all the time tbh. That and not acting like the issue was about a pissing contest over class power level when its clearly (in my case at least) a matter of one PC trying to abide by the necessary restrictions that get thrown to the wind when combining supplements
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113365
113376
>>113338
Because it's so much cooler this way. I built her character based on what I wanted to play. What other chance would I get to play an epic level Planar Shepherd? a level 25 character has more levels than most gods, so a lvl 25 druid should represent the oldest and strongest druid.
She's not just a Druid; she's a holy Druid of The Blessed Fields, who worships the light at the temple islands of Thalasia, taught by the greatest heroes in all of the realm-space as she served them in their eternal bliss. She's a devoted Ascetic who in her strife attained freedom from want, and believes in only using her gifts to help others and never for personal gain.
And as for the aging thing, it's hardly significant mechanically, because it makes up for the fact that I cannot simply purchase items that grant me a +12 enhancement bonus to stats like everyone else can. I thought being a 750 year old mother-of-all-druids just felt so badass, especially if it comes with the process of casting away one's old identity in favor of being a platinum-scaled dragonborn servant of justice.
She got to lvl 15 before reaching middle age because GM ruled that Kirin age like elves, so she would've had like a hundred years to get there. Her backstory for her first life is similar to the original backstory i wrote for her: at an early age, her father deemed her to be unfit to married off (chronic anger issues), so he sent her off to a monastery to become a shrine maiden. She's been a nun since before she hit puberty.
She's spent centuries serving guardinals, olympians and archons in the upper planes, but left paradise because she was neither dead nor dying, and wanted to return to the earth to make it a better place for the remainder of her extended lifespan (which is close to it's maximum), so she can die knowing she's served her purpose in the universe.

I built it this way because it's 100% awesome, and i thought it felt appropriate for an epic adventure.
I considered dumping planar shepherd to be a druid/sorcerer arcane heirophant theurge, but managing two 9th level spell-casting classes felt like it'd be overpowered and redundant.

>dozen sourcebooks
I used a few sourcebooks, but there's hardly any broken content there. I had everything on my sheet personally approved months ago. Maybe greenbound summoning is a bit too powerful at lvls 1-4, but at lvl 25 it's just a cheap way of putting up shrubberies.
Everyone here used multiple sourcebooks too; GM said in the original OP that we all could. Topaz has a dragon thrall from the MMII (the most broken monster manual). Candy is an Artificer: a base class from the eberron campaign setting.
It's not like vanilla 3.5e is a complete or balanced game anyway. Most martial classes in the PHB are tier 5 garbage; the Tome Of Battle saved martial characters. Most of the most broken and exploitable spells in 3.5e are in the PHB: Gate, Simulacrum, Planar Binding, Shapechange, Polymorph Any Object, Shades, Wish, miracle, etc. Splatbooks aren't a bad thing; they enrich the game, because the game was never finished in the first place.
I took some Unearthed Arcana ACFs, but i had each and every one of them approved by the DM weeks before the campaign started.

Her skill points are calculated Correctly. When you make a PC, you calculate their skillpoints by their current Int, not the int they supposedly "used to" have. Besides, if you apply Psychic Reformation, you'd be able to retroactively gain those skillpoints anyway. It's why every character who increases their int over the course of the game should pay an NPC Psion to Reform their skills.

Replacing Exalted feats with non-exalted feats did indeed increase her power significantly, but most exalted feats are crap, and I don't even qualify for most of them. Replacing them with Dark Chaos Feat Shuffle turned an underwhelming feature of the build into something i could actually make use of. It was approved anyway.
>free bonus feats for free epic feats
If by "free" you mean, "costs all of your worldly possessions" then then sure you could call it that. Vow Of Poverty is an under-powered feat that only works for Druids because druids are powerful enough by themselves.
Epic feats aren't even necessarily that great. The only ones that stand out are Bonus Domain, Improved spell capacity and Epic Spellcasting. The rest are 3.0 garbage that are easily replaced by non-epic feats. The ELH is not a well-written book. I did take bonus domain a couple times though; it rounded-out my spellcasting pallet.

>>113342
If I've been bragging about my stats a lot, I apologize for that... It's just that I worked on this for a really long time, and I get really, really enthusiastic about metamechanics sometimes...
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113376
113377
>>113365
I appreciate you saying that. There then, we've addressed all my reservations/issues.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113377
113379
>>113376
Really?
Okay then, I'll just try to keep my trap shut and not go off about meta shenanigans.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113379
113381 113385
>>113377
Thank you. And I'll refrain from rulecucking in favor of letting GM script the game as he sees fit
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113381
113385
>>113379
That's all I ever wanted.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113385
113391
>>113381
>>113379
Ey! We're now a good ol' team again.
Thank goodness that's over.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113391
113395
02c.png
>>113385
~Yay!
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113395
113397 113454
>>113391
Ur still a faggot tho Xp
t2DcA
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No.113397
113398 113399
[1d20+18 = 19]
>>113395
No u
Rolling to boop cowe
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113398
113399
>>113397
Fug
Anonymous
QVCkh
?
No.113399
113400
>>113398
>>113397
Critical mission failure.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113400
113401
>>113399
I'll get her next time...
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113401
113406
>>113400
[chuckling dragon noises]
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113406
113409
>>113401
*Pets dragon*
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113409
113410
>>113406
[Flustered dragon noises]
t2DcA
?
No.113410
113411
[1d20+25 = 43]
>>113409
Petting check
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113411
>>113410
*Steam level increases*
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113424
113425
2065041.png
>labor day
>campus closed
>hurricane Tuesday
>also closed
Anonymous
/ZDtZ
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No.113425
113431
>>113424
Hmm.
I hope it doesn't mess up your schedule.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113431
113432
2050713.png
>>113425
It doesn't. It just can't use campus resources to study for the next test.

And I'm bored, because that's what I was going to do all day.
Anonymous
/ZDtZ
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No.113432
113433
>>113431
I suppose the Internet can help you with that. Watch some dude explaining the subjects and stuff.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113433
113436
>>113432
Yeah. I got it covered. Just bored.
Anonymous
/ZDtZ
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No.113436
113437 113450
sF2aJWY.jpg
>>113433
Oh. I see.
Well... good luck on your endeavors.
Have cat pic.

Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113437
>>113436
Thanks, Anon.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113450
113454 113458
spin.gif
Well, while the PC's are floating around in a hurricane eye the plane of air for 10 minutes.
>Stormwalk winds sound vaguely like elevator music
>>113436
Sister Ash does her best to position herself in the void
".. This will take some time. I'm not very good at transporting so many creatures at once.." She says, spinning upside down a bit with her legs flailing helplessly
"But while we wait.. Tell me more about yourself. You said that your father was the only one you knew who shared your power?"
[clumsy floating nun noises]
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113454
113460
reverse.gif
>>113450
>>113395
"And you. I don't think I ever got your name."
*Bows upside down*
"I travel as 'Sister Ash'. What should I call you?"
Anonymous
/ZDtZ
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No.113458
113464
>>113450
Topaz is rather unaffected, simply going with the natural order of things as her body rotates in the same way.
"Well... where to start..."
Phospy is trying his hardest not to dizzy himself with his panicked hovering.
"I had a good upbringing, mainly due to my parents. Father was a leader of some sort... He sometimes went away for periods of time with bandages around some part of his body, but inbetween those times he was eager to play with me. From chess and checkers to a simple game of tag."
She snickers.
"He let me win most of the time."
Diamond can be seen doing absolutely nothing aside from blankly staring in front of him.
"At times he couldn't, so he'd ordered some of the house ponies to keep me company. While helpful, they never seemed to be quite... there. Even my mother seemed spaced out. I only started noticing it after I got to the age of 6, when I saw a sort of... thin line coming from mother's head to father's."
Topaz smiles.
"You could guess what happened next."
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113460
113464
>>113454
Cowe activates her mask (casts Fly) to reorient herself so that she and Ash are both aligned vertically, and then lifts her mask like a visor.
"Sonata Deline, Tsuki o tobikoeta ushi the Cow that Jumped Over the Moon, Master of the 6 Disciplines of the Martial Hoof Fist."
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113464
113468 113469
>>113458
Fug. That's creepy.
Sister Ash nods slowly, her expression somewhat callous.
"That's.. rather odd."
>>113460
"Interesting. What brought you all the way to that 'Hub', on this fateful week?"
Anonymous
/ZDtZ
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No.113468
113470
>>113464
She smiles.
"It wasn't that strange when I saw it. At least I understood what was happening after that."
Anonymous
fP/oi
?
No.113469
113470
>>113464
"That's just where I happened to be. I have lived on the road for many years, training and seeking worthy adversaries. I seem to have found one."
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113470
113472 113473
>>113468
"..........Hmmm.. So it is.." Sister replies,
>>113469
"Oh, I'm somewhat of a planeswalker myself, although my experience pertains to places a bit more.. remote..
I was aiming for the prime material plane, but.. I missed.." she says, gritting her teeth a bit.
"I've never in my life missed the material plane before.. I guess it's all the more reason to spend some more time here."
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113471
1855524.gif
forgot pic for first reply
Anonymous
fP/oi
?
No.113472
113479
>>113470
Hold on a sec,... this isn't the prime material plane?
Anonymous
/ZDtZ
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No.113473
113479
>>113470
Topaz cocks her head.
"Are you alright? You seem quited troubled."
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113479
113480 113482
>>113472
Idk. It's unlear what happens during stormwalk. I just know it takes 10 minutes to teleport.

The party met on a private demiplane called "Hub".
>>113473
Sister Ash seems to have been staring intently at Topaz, her purple eyes giving off a slight glow. She's reading her auras.
".. No, there's nothing wrong." she says after abit
"I'm just not familiar with your sort magic(?)..'
Anonymous
fP/oi
?
No.113480
113483
>>113479
e_e
I know what the hub is, but if there was any reference to it I missed it. I thought we started on the prime material plane
Anonymous
/ZDtZ
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No.113482
113483
>>113479
She nods.
"I am not familiar with your powers either. Phospy is the only one who seems to know your kind of power."
The dragon in question can't really grasp losing any sort of friction, leading Topaz to chuckle.
"He's not exactly a manifester of any kind, as far as I know, but they get the ability later on in life. 'A spellcaster', he called you. Magic and the like."

Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113483
113484 113485
>>113480
We started in the Hub, went through a rift into the the plane of chaos (Limbo), then got thanos-snapped into the prime material plane.
Currently, we're in teleportation-space, on our way to the dragonlands.
>>113482
"I prefer the term 'shaman', but yes I am indeed a Magi."
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113484
113487 113490
>>113483
Yes, but it seems its a CITY and not the Hub demiplane >>109901 →

Anonymous
/ZDtZ
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No.113485
113490
>>113483
Topaz is admittedly quite impressed.
"Woah. That's one stylish name. We go by the name of Psions. Mental energy to do whatever we want them to."
She smiles sheepishly
"With limits, of course."
Anonymous
fP/oi
?
No.113487
113490
>>113484
"I don't follow your meaning. We are on the prime material plane." She looks at the storm they are traveling in. "Or at least we were,...."
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113490
113494 113496
>>113484
It was a demiplane city. The city encompassed the entire plane.
I wanted to speak to the plane's ruler, but I don't
>>113485
At the speed Sister is spinning, it's not really possible to tell if she's tilting her head or not.
"Indeed.. I've seen it only a few times among the gatekeepers; it's rather rare among monsters, and even rarer among ponies."
>>113487
Sister Ash shrugs
"Call it a space between spaces. All storms are connected. I just conjured a storm over the town, to link us to another storm in the Dragonlands."
Anonymous
/ZDtZ
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No.113494
113498
>>113490
Topaz simply chuckles.
"That is quite odd. All ponies who follow me actively practices it. Diamond is quite the rough pony when focused."
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113496
113497
>>113490
Sigh If there is a post that validates your position, I'd love to see it.
"That doesn't seem accurate. Yes there are portals to other planes, but the Hub plane I am familiar with is a different place entirely. In any case, we seem to be on the prime material plane, so let's not argue about it shall we?"
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113497
113500
>>113496
see
>>109961 →
>>109963 →
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113498
113507
>>113494
"You quite a few ponies following you." Sister Ash says, obligingly
Anonymous
fP/oi
?
No.113500
113503
>>113497
Fine. I thought you meant the Outlands, but okay
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113503
113505
>>113500
I wonder who created that plane. The creator must be very powerful, or at least very wealthy. Maybe a Mercane.