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Among the biggest societal symptoms of narcissists and narcissism is the inappropriate degree to which narcissistic manipulation has infected dominance hierarchies, replacing competence and integrity with cronyism and self/group-serving and protecting behaviors, where the needs of the team/faction outweigh the interests of the group as a whole. A person can be the most functional and diligent participant in a group, and still find themselves ostracized, maligned, and defamed simply for not aligning with the interest of a/the narcissist and those in thrall, regardless of how effectively their efforts align with the group's professed intent.
>pic related
/mlpol/ can readily observe this dynamic in places such as derpibooru and even 4chan its self, even without knowing the names and identities of the players, as well as far more obvious examples such as news and media. Hell, even Congress has 'the squad', which while being a largely ineffective attempt at making/maintaining such a dynamic still indicates an attempt to exalt a small group above others while being a highly illegitimate 'authority'.
Narcissism is everywhere and has infected every aspect of society without exception, and my premise is that one can only hope to navigate all of it with knowledge (and it is my hope that experience be unnecessary).

So let's go over the basics.
What is narcissism
Narcissism - often confused with self love relating to Narcissus of Greek lore - is typified by a few characteristics. The first and foremost is the perception that everything the narcissist does is justified, reasonable, and appropriate, even when a preponderance of evidence indicates otherwise. To a narcissist, the ends always justify the means, and no abuse of propriety, rules, norms, etc. can change or upset that position. Additionally, narcissists display an observable lack of empathy (though they can be seen to affect the appearance of empathy in their manipulations).
It is important to point out that there are unclassifiable types of narcissists due to their behavior patterns, and this thread is particularly focused toward the malignant narcissist; the person who will coerce your behavior through threats, demands, and decrees, and will gladly/readily punish you in covert/overt ways in response to any 'misbehavior'.
Narcissists are inherently lacking in self esteem, which is largely why they seek to control other's behaviors as the ability to and perpetuity of manipulation gratified and justifies any control methods employed. If the narcissist 'knows better' than others (without qualification) then 'of course' it is right and proper that they dictate to others. However, a narcissist's insinuation of control often has little/nothing to do with their ability and competence as a leader and more to do with their complete aversion to NOT being in control. The third video highlights how narcissists are the result of adverse circumstances beyond their control at one or more points in their development, however this does not justify predatory behavior on others in the aftermath.

To summarize then, narcissism is a mix of things. It begins as a coping strategy designed to minimize adversity in a person's experience. Along the way, in whatever capacity it devolves into the perception that only through direct control of a situation can it be likewise controlled in order to eliminate negative consequences to the narcissist. In short, narcissism isnt about self-love, it's about selfish predisposition to one's own interests and desires, to the direct exclusion of those not similarly aligned, and we unto those who defy the narcissist, because in many cases NOTHING is off the table.

>>3867
It's certainly logical. People with bloated egos are naturally drawn to positions of power over others, however small that power may be.

>>3913
While that's true, narcissism goes way beyond bloated ego. If one hasnt experienced one (with the 'mask' off) it can be difficult to imagine. These are people for whom the only 'rule' that exists is 'what they want is justified' (no matter how unjustifiable). Often what that amounts to is power, control, and a steady supply of thralls but at the heart of it is a very fragile and easily upset sense of self which once upset triggers a feeling of self-loathing for which a narcissist will do anything and everything to be rid of; nothing is off the table. Their feelings are ultimately what drives them, and the elimination of bad feelings means FAR more to them than whatever injuries and damage they cause to others.

Now let's take a moment to look at Narcissist enablers (I call them thralls, but enablers is the technical term)
[YouTube] 6 things narcissist enablers say to you [Embed]

I don't really understand what you're trying to say. Are you trying to give tips on how to resist narcissists from manipulating you?

I already reject simping, e-celebs, etc. What power does a narcissist have over chad rule 8?

>>3924
The intent is to make available a selection of videos and concepts so that anon can avoid being manipulated by a narcissist, as well as engage in any relevant discussion.
People are often conditioned and/or coerced into rationalizing a narcissist's manipulations and behavior as being less onerous than it is, and will subject themselves to this behavior at no benefit and often more or less injury without even knowing it. Imagine a person who likes to play tennis. They know a person who has their own tennis court and has a regular group that they play with. Now imagine that another tennis court is made available. Some players like the idea of playing more tennis, but the original court owner is a narcissiat.
The narcissist doesnt like the idea of competition, they are rather offended and insulted by it, and may display a series of behaviors. They might forbid any in their active group from playing at this new tennis court. They might send one of their enablers/flying monkeys to spy on the other group and report back anything that goes on, or they might even try to directly (or through proxies) sabotage the other tennis court/group.
In this scenario, the issue is not one of tennis, the issue is the narcissist's pride and entitlement, and the duplicitous and observably inappropriate behaviors and expectations they are wont to employ.
But the bigger issue is not the narcissist's behavior, it's the response from the other tennis players. Some of them may not realize or recognize the behavior as inappropriate, or perhaps some of them do but are more afraid of the narcissist's reaction should they confront them.
In this scenario the connection to the narcissist is not as severe as say a sibling or a parent, but many people (being that depending on geography narcissism has a prevalence of 5-40%) have already been conditioned by a narcissistic person to view this dynamic as 'normal', and may accept these manipulations later in life. Unless exposed to informative material, a person can go their entire lives at the behest and under the thumb of one or more narcissists, resulting in all manner of physical and emotional/psychological injuries throughout. Naturally a person is responsible for their own choices, but at the very least it does no one any harm (excepting the narcissist) to be more well-versed on the topic especially for individuals who may be entirely nescient through no fault of their own.
Thank you for asking
[YouTube] The 5 types of narcissistic parents [Embed]
[YouTube] Narcissistic siblings [Embed]
>Chad rules
Unless you're referencing a different set of rules, I fail to see how limiting exposure to women later in the week (unless sex is guaranteed) has any bearing on the topic.

This video more precisely addresses what I was trying to get at in my previous post. Theres literally hundreds of videos, so please bear with
[YouTube] This cognitive trap keeps people stuck in relationships with narcissists [Embed]

What causes narcicism?
I'm aware of NPD, but can it also be caused by bad upbringing?

>>3927
A very good question. Rarely do narcissists come from a completely viable upbringing. In some cases they were conditioned by a narcissistic parent or caregiver, in other instances they were in an otherwise healthy environment that was lacking in one or more aspects. There's no cut and dry 'if X then narcissist' equation, at least not that is available by contemporary analysis.
But at its core, narcissism is a behavior pattern and disposition that tends to emerge as a result of a conditioning phase (whether childhood or even into adulthood) that was adverse and unhealthy. What that means is, narcissism is its self an attempt at a self defense mechanism. Having said, when it comes to a point where a person A. feels entitled to, and B. actively manipulates, controls, undermines, gaslight, etc. those they interact with that the relationship becomes toxic/predatory.
In short, narcissists are themselves the product of troubled (but often to the outsider appearing 'normal' or even admirable) upbringing, who then conclude that in the pursuit of avoiding negative feelings/emotions, they are justified in causing trouble for others.
[YouTube] How a Narcissist is Created [Embed]

[YouTube] The narcissist and the straw that breaks the camel's back [Embed]
[YouTube] What are "boundaries"? (Glossary of Narcissistic Relationships) [Embed]
The ultimate tool to navigating and mitigating a narcissistic relationship really boils down to boundaries and enforcement. A person ought to be very firm in their resolution/conviction of what is acceptable and appropriate, AND be willing to either leave the situation or confront it head on. 'When' a person reaches that point varies by individual and temperament, and people with a recognizable history of narcissistic abuse are often the most sensitive and quick to address/confront later instances involving narcissists.
And of course, depending on the degree of control/influence a narcissist has in a given context, that confrontation can often result in the complete dismissal or loss of status/position for the person confronting it. In a workplace for example, a person who confronts a narcissistic co-worker or boss is all but guaranteed to be gaslit, undermined, and defamed to all the people the narcissist has in their grip, resulting in unfair disciplinary practices, demotions, and even termination (and in a few cases, legal action) simply for setting and enforcing clear, stable, and reasonable boundaries.

[YouTube] What happens to the scapegoat in adulthood? [Embed]
Im'a keep posting these. With any luck they only pertain to my experience, but on a statistical level I highly doubt it

>>3944
Experience? Do share.

>>3945
Father is a covert narcissist, mother was a codependent enabler who spent most days passed out drunk, older brother was physically abusive with no respect for boundaries who was also a golden child (so why would he?) and me being the scapegoat/black sheep. My role was cemented in place because I quite embarrassingly (social/family reputation and all) went and got physically/sexually abused by a caregiver for most of a year at age 4, who had developed unaddressed narcissism/low-functioning sociopathy because she had been likewise physically/sexually abused by her father as a child.

[YouTube] The #1 Way To Identify A Narcissist [Embed]
Here's another guy. Hes got a PHD in psychology and works as a psychotherapist with emphasis on narcissism. He tends to ramble a bit more than Dr. Ramani, but his content is decent.

[YouTube] 8 Cues Narcissists Watch For As They Seek Narcissistic Supply [Embed]
And one more for good measure

>>3866
How can i tell if i'm a narcissist?

>>3957
Easily. Do you want to be a good person?

>>3958
Yea i do

>>3958
No, this is anything but an actionable criteria. This seems like the watered down criteria by which a person excuses themselves from narcissism 'cuz some guy on the internet said it'.
>>3958
Tough question. Theres no easy answer or quick rubric by which to gauge.
The problem is one of perspective. Let's take >>3958 this perspective for example.
A narcissist sees their intentions and desires as being 'good', thus any person who aspires to the same ends that they aspire to would appear 'good', and summarily any who detract from the narcissist are 'bad'. Therefore, perception is an insufficient guideline hy which to gauge or refute narcissism.
If I (and you, no offense) were being honest, how many attempts have you made to manipulate and control othera' behavior? To what degree have you manipulated and/or conditioned others to comply with your will?
The biggest eliminator of narcissism as a possibility is the degree to which a person will accept and allow ignominy/dishonor, from a socialized standpoint. Narcissists cant bear for their reputation/social-image to be tarnished, and wont abide being alone (because alone means no narcissistic supply). Social perception is directly tied to a narcissist's
Self image, which when threatened is probably the BEST indicator.

If/when things dont go your way, do you respond by restricting/demanding from others? Have you ever used your dissatisfaction of a situation as a justification to impose unacceptable limits or expectations on others?
If we're being honest, and again I mean no offense hy this line of inquiry, how often has YOUR satisfaction depeneded on the compliance of others? Does compliance even enter into your worldview?

Tl;dr. Rigorous honesty. Narcissists are ALL about rationalization (not to say that non-narcs dont display uhm,.. 'mental blind spots' for their own machinations and agendas), so the best test one can self-impose pertains to one's own bullshit. If one is willing/able to fearlessly address their own failings without resorting to excuses, rationale, or other tactics, it's a good sign of an absence of narcissism. I could point to other traits, but can't articulate them in a manner that doesnt offer an easy out for a narcissist.

Heres a bigger and more generalized rhetorical question. When adverse situations arise, how often is it 'someone else's fault'? Taking and owning responsibility is something that a narcissist can only appear to do. Personal integrity is key.

Whoops, second citation was supposed to be directed at >>3957

>>3960
Further to my point
[YouTube] Affirmations You Won't Hear From a Gaslighting Narcissist [Embed]

[YouTube] Is your dad a narcissist? [Embed]
Fin

Hello, everyone! Have I posted in this thread before?

>>3866
It's not the narcissists here, it's you, you sick sonofabitch. You just attack all these "narcissists" because you, shall we say, looked at the mirror a bit too much yourself and let some jew doctor finish the job? Now you've really been backed into a corner here, because if you stop attacking people to get a momentary hit of relief from the psychic pain you're most certainly going through, you're gonna have to follow through with that little plan you've been thinking about, the one that involves you sucking on lead instead of your next cock?

Isn't that right Ninjas? The truth hurts, doesn't it buddy. But the clock's still ticking, pal. This isn't a question you can run from; not for much longer anyway. Are you gonna do the right thing, or are you gonna wipe yourself from the planet and try to take as many people closest to you as you can? With the way things have been going, I'd put my money on your continuance in taking the latter option. But I guess I'm open to being surprised. Stranger things have indeed happened than a self-professed nazi tranny. Than a militant troon getting himself out of dire straits.

And hey. If you don't like someone going out of their way to help you, please. Keep it to yourself. You might have convinced yourself with surging levels of E that you're the one helping people here, but if you ever did get off of it, I think you'd take a more realistic perspective of what's going on. You're trying to fix people like a naggy woman would and are basically just trying to fuck with their emotions and bust their nuts, but with the rage stemming from that problem I've alluded to up above you're not able to act like a lady would and keep her peace at the very least on occasion. Which kind of goes with the territory of "straddling the line gets you nowhere," that sort of thing. But I suppose you could've already guessed that one, what with your general disposition and all.

I hate your fucking guts, you're the scum of the earth as far as I'm concerned, the worst of the worst. Degenerate and sadomasochist beyond measure. But I assume like everyone else here does, I respect that you've got a screw loose and are generally pissed off enough to make implicit threats here and there, dig into your deep well of rage about some poor decision you made alongside the excuse that you don't like the cut of someone's jib. Unstable mentally speaking, pretty much. All in all I can most definitely say that it's been a massive displeasure ever knowing you and I very well hope that this is the last time we ever have any contact with each other whatsoever. At this point I couldn't care less what you do as far as getting better or joining the 41% is concerned, and I suppose that's saying quite a lot. To put it lightly. I'd rather you hurry up and skip the foreplay, but I guess that's not really up to me.

Well, good luck, I guess. Or not. This is the point where I'd say it'd been nice knowing you, but, you know. It's been anything but.

>>4370
You get angry at OP for overplaying the effects of narcissism, but you seem to have taken this thread awfully personally... Curious.

>>4370
I feel like youre having trouble opening up, that youre putting up walls to avoid speaking your mind. Its okay anon, you can say what you really feel

>>4370
What the fuck nigger. It's been 60 days more or less. Unless you're referencing something else.
Go here next time
>>2676 →
Then reference the post(s) or something. Otherwise it's a shot in the dark. Or don't.

>>4370
>>4373
Imagine having an ego so fragile that you'd bump a thread that hasn't been posted to in two months, because you can't handle the thought that you might be narcissistic.

From the screenshot just posted at >>>/mlpol/320710 →

>>4377
mixed nuts 2. I had expressed an interest in it being deleted several months ago, but it wasnt until I started openly naming narcissists (and an oddly intervening time period) that it seems to have finally been deleted.
How odd, the archive for /vx/ doesnt seem to be operating. It couldnt be that I said some things in that thread that individuals want not to be seen. It probably isnt, but its still 'funny' that the archive seems to have neglected /vx/. It works for /üb/, I cant imagine what the issue could be.
But enough of that, this thread is about narcissists and narcissism and as OP (he's not wrong) I do a disservice by engaging derailing conversations and inquiry.

>>4379
Four seconds to go to the “search” bar, type in “mixed nuts 2,” and click on the most recent result.
https://mlpol.net/vx/145842#145842

Addendum
After painting myself 6 shades of idiot, I have to publicly acknowledge several oversights, including that mixed nuts 2 is not gone. I wont attempt to excuse the fault, Ill just acknowedge it and move on, while retracting the premature speculation that resulted.

>>4374
Me >>4373 and other Anon >>4370 are different users.
There wasn't much for me to say itt. Uhhh Political Ponerology is nice to know.

>>4383
Wifi fuckery atm

>>4439
What the fuck?
I know Rand said these fuckers want us to die more than they want to live and want us to starve more than they want to eat, but...
Holy shit.
Those demons actually want to be slain, and they hate us for not putting them out of their misery.

>>4440
Yup.

The following video was taken during an interview with Paul Bernardo, a convicted sex offender and murderer.
[YouTube] What manipulative behavior looks like [Embed]
This video takes place 17 years after his conviction and was conducted in trying to investigate for any info that might help solve a number of associated cases.
But where it shines is by it making a stunning case for the incorrigibility of a narcissist, regardless of the circumstances they find themselves in. Observe how he avoids any acknowledgement of responsibility or fault, even though his guilt has long since (17 years) been concluded.
This is the level of honesty and responsibility one can expect from a narcissist. Any apparent consolation is a manipulation int3nded to try and control the situation by.
Obviously, not all narcissists are so heinous, but the manipulations and the why (control) are the consistent variables.

Narcissists are sexy.
I want an emotionally-unstable mare with a crystal ego who refers to herself in third person.

>>4687
I want to crush Trixie's fragile ego like a soda can.

[YouTube] Lessons for anyone who was scapegoated by a narcissist (Narcissistic Family Roles) [Embed]
>A scapegoat is a person who is blamed for the mistakes or sins of another person.
>Scapegoating is often done to get the scapegoater off the hook, leaving the scapegoat holding the bag, and the beat goes on.

This video focuses on scapegoating in a family dynamic, specifically in childhood; however, in observance that - outside lengthy processing and individual work - people tend to play out the roles in adulthood that they are familiar with from childhood, it can equally apply to the environments that narcissists foster whether professionally, economically, socially, etc., as well as the permissiveness a scapegoat may apply when finding themselves in such a dynamic later in life.

>Prof. Edward Dutton: The Jolly Heretic
>Is There A Narcissism Epidemic and, if so, Why?
[YouTube] Is There A Narcissism Epidemic and, if so, Why? [Embed]
Mirrors:
https://odysee.com/@JollyHeretic:d/is-there-a-narcissism-epidemic-and-if-so:a
https://www.bitchute.com/video/LN2V7DOwLfs/ [Embed]

>>4751
Loved it, thanks. Alot of good info and observations, but the cherry was
>positive and negative ethno-centralism
as a concept and how it relates to whether a society or group is socially adaptive or maladaptive. In a historical context it beautifully summarizes alot of what made Nazi germany successful, and I also feel it is essential to creating and establishing healthy networks in our communities by which to prepare for and adapt to many of the sociological changes that (ahem) many of us see 'coming down the pipe'.

>>4752
Yup. Dutton has the talent to be eloquent, concise and go straight to the point without to enter into obscure terminologies.

While not sold on his test, theres some valid analysis here of a more generalized narcissistic approach that is especially easy to detect through digital (text, chat, post, etc) conversation if one knows what to look for.
[YouTube] The Fastest, Easiest Test For Narcissism --- Up to date: "The Smiling No Test" [Embed]

Today's video covers the Covert Narcissist, sometimes known as the Fragile or Vulnerable narcissist. This is a narcissist who is NOT an 'alpha' or a domineering narcissist, and who's position of power is either tenative or uncertain. This type can be especially confusing because they WILL make admissions, convey guilt and vulnerabikity, bit as a manipulation tactic in order to achieve control over their situation in a goven context, bit once their narcissistic supply is achieved, they will then display the classic traits of a grandiose narcissist until they reach a position of depletion. This one is especially tricky because to the untrained eye they will cyclicly go through periods of 'improvement', but those phases are lapses in supply, and the efforts to seemingly improve are periods of manipulation to prime the targrt for later exploitation.
>Common phrases
'I need you', 'I depend on you', 'I cant do this without you', etc., geared toward incrntivising, coercing, and guilt-tripping the targrt into compliance.
[YouTube] Covert Narcissists SECRET CrazyMaking Communication Weapon They Use To ABUSE [Embed]

>>3868
Narcissists often behave like babies. I think they ARE overgrown babies, people for whom neural pruning has pruned the ability to grow the fuck up and behave maturely due to disuse.

>>3927
Out of the narcissists who were actually studied (sorry, don't remember the study's name), only 25% of them grew up in "normal" families. 75% had narcissistic, abusive, or similarly incompetent parents.
So yeah, it's mostly caused by bad upbringing.
>>3957
Can you admit that you, personally, to no one else's fault, fucked up? Can you accept your own fault when it's to your own detriment as opposed to benefit?

Narcissism is a self-sustaining pattern of behaviour: to change the pattern requires admitting first that there's a problem, and narcissists are physically incapable of doing so. They will do absolutely anything in their power to avoid experiencing the feeling of being in the wrong.
>>3960
"Attempts to manipulate/control others" aren't a good self-diagnosis indicator either because a narcissist will just dance around and try to redefine words.
Honestly, nothing is a good self-indicator: a narcissist will never do anything that will stop them from being a narcissist. Said attempts to weasel out are however a good indication of narcissism to others.

If you CAN admit fault, but still have behaviors matching a narcissist, congratulations! You've got fleas from being raised by dogs. It's fixable but it requires getting the fuck away from the actual narcissists so they can't sabotage and undermine your efforts to grow up.
>>4763
>because they WILL make admissions
No they won't. They'll make up bullshit that SOUNDS, to the uninitiated, as an admission of guilt, but if actually looked at, blames others. The "nonpologies". Stuff like "I'm sorry you got upset with me". Not "I'm sorry I did [shit] that upset you".
A genuine narcissist (i.e. one who is incurable) is completely uncapable of saying "I have fucked up by doing [x], I am sorry that I've done [x] and will try to avoid doing so in the future".
Someone who can say that, but still does narcissistic behaviours, has them learned and thus can have them unlearned, if (s)he actually faces, analyzes, and makes an effort to change them.

>>4888
First off, those digits.
Your post is virtually uncontestable. The only point of contention is to do with the degree of sophistication that could (unlikely) be employed in the nonpology (great word btw). A true apology involves corrective effort over time in aftermath of the admission, and in that one can differentiate the sincerety

Sorry, what I mean is that there are certain narcissists who can appear entirely genuine and sincere, and only by analyzing the degree that their actions are more or less consistent with the conviction of their words.
Not to say all who so err are narcissists, but it then falls in the realm of unrefuted possibility.
Also
>75% had narcissistic, abusive, or similarly incompetent parents.
Getting shit on doesnt excuse shitting on.

>>4889
>>4890
>A true apology involves corrective effort over time in aftermath of the admission, and in that one can differentiate the sincerety
Yes, I just can't actually remember the full list of parts of the genuine apology, so every time I mention it, I forget some of them.
>Getting shit on doesnt excuse shitting on.
True, my point was that narcissism is very much nurture AND nature, and runs in families.
It's not even getting shat on, most narcissists are the golden children, who were outwardly pampered and placated and hence grew up to be spoiled assholes even less fit for child-raising than their parents.

Starscream from Transformers is the perfect example of a true narcissist, he is highly selfish and deceptive with his own goals as his first and foremost important above the lives or interests of anything else. His egotistical self importance matters more than whether his incompetent leadership is successful.

>>5076
There is no 'perfect example' of a narcissist, and a cartoon for an example is of little use as its a caricature.
If you want a glaring contemporary example, look at Juicy Sommoulier. Or Alec Baldwin. Or Nigel.

>>5076
How is starscream a narcissist?

>>5081
Starscream is as much of a narcissist as Tigger from Winnie-the-Pooh. Its counter produtive and muddies the water to psychologically analyze fictional characters, as everything of them is literally dictated by the author.
But for those who wish to, I found a video that should appeal for a variety of reasons.
[YouTube] Starscream, Megatron, & Imperfect Abuse Narratives [Embed]

For further clarity, Starscream is a caricature of what passes contemporaneously as a narcissist in popular culture. The depiction of narcissism as having an overblown sense of vanity and self-importance isnt inaccurate, but Starscream is far more in the neighborhood of a borderline personality, in that he cant differentiate between what will benefit his agenda versus what will satisfy his ego. While this is a behavior pattern observable in SOME narcissists, it has alot of overlap with other disorders and condititons, and a determination based only on those characteristics is premature and invalid.
Tl;dr Starscream is as 'perfect' an example of narcissism, as Ginger Beer is of what different flavors of soda taste like.

>>5078
How often do you feel the urge to remind people Trump is blonde? You would not have spent five years reminding people you think I am a narcissist if you did not feel it was necessary to wear them down over the years before they agree with you.
>inb4 "denouncing nigel isn't off topic but it is off-topic for him to reply with anything"
In any case, while fictitious characters can display traits of real-world mental problems, an authentic depiction of these problems rarely takes priority over the story being told with these characters. People are still arguing over whether Powder/Jinx from Arcane has schizophrenia and PTSD or bipolar/borderline personality disorder or abandonment issues and whether her clingy behaviour pre-Jokerfication behaviour means anything.

>>5086
I havent promoted the idea of you being a narcissist (an idea that seems so overwhelmingly consistent with the literature that even I as an unlicensed individual can make the determination) except for the last year and a half.
Stop lying.
I havent worn anyone down.
Stop lying.
I HAVE however, strategically explained your behavior (directly and indirectly) for sufficient consistency and duration, achieving comprehensiveness such that people who used to disagree and contest can now only accede to the accuracy of the overview I have detailed. Moreover, I havent even argued the point, I've taken the time to assert authortative info at interval and have allowed the content (and your behavior, thanks for that) to argue on my behalf.
Next, Trump ISNT blonde, at least not naturally. He used to have dark hair, so any appearance of blond is artificial; whether hair implants, dyes and treatments, I neither know nor care.

Now then
>In any case, while fictitious characters can display traits of real-world mental problems, an authentic depiction of these problems rarely takes priority over the story being told with these characters. People are still arguing over whether Powder/Jinx from Arcane has schizophrenia and PTSD or bipolar/borderline personality disorder or abandonment issues and whether her clingy behaviour pre-Jokerfication behaviour means anything.
Please explain how this is in any way on topic.

>>5078
>There is no 'perfect example' of a narcissist, and a cartoon for an example is of little use as its a caricature.
I believe that fictional representations of narcissism is worthy of consideration than that of real people who are insufferably full of themselves, since a character is more of a canvas for what a narcissist could be rather than actually is, such as Starscream. Even Megatron could be classed as having similar features but more so to a further extreme.
Either that or one can completely disregard any and all characters that aren't real for the sole purpose that they do not exist.
>If you want a glaring contemporary example, look at Nigel.
Of course this place has it's very own self obsessed attention addicts, him and several anons here exhibit such personalities.
>>5081
I'm referring to the original Generation 1 Starscream, by the design of him he is obviously cunning and has ulterior motives that are fueled by his own desires. If you wish to differ than that is by your own personal choice of disagreement.

>a character is more of a canvas for what a narcissist could be rather than actually is, such as Starscream
I encourage everyone to marvel in that amalgamated phrase. I dont know, but it it is amazing.
Meanwhile, reminder that this is the Narcissism thread, geared toward providing actionable information and material of/pertaining-to narcissists, and NOT trying to tag random cartoons with otherwise definitive and severe terms to muddy the water, waste everyone's time, or otherwise insert an unwarranted (((nose))) into the mix.

>somebody had to rope Nigel into what was otherwise an informative conversation
It's all so tiresome.

pic unrelated

>>5090
I know I shouldn't give you the time of day if you're going to talk to me like that. I know it's "feeding the troll" to waste my time trying to reason with somebody in this state. You're shit-slinging hysterically again, trying to wear everyone down again, hoping it will upset me. Maybe you'll feel validated if somebody joins in on your shit-slinging by calling me a faggot, how tiresome. I don't have to explain why you're wrong. But fuck it, your bait is just too fucking stupid. Might as well get this over with.

Allow me to explain.

It would not matter if Starscream was or was not a good example of narcissism. And he is not a good example, because he is a one-note meme character to sell pieces of plastic to little boys and bad movies to boomers who want to cum inside Megan Fox. Replying to a topic conversation someone else is derailing not mean I am posting off-topic, especially not when I am trying to get the topic back on topic. When a writer writes a story about something other than mental illnesses, accurately depicting the mental illness is not the author's top priority. The topic of whether a toy-selling cartoon character depicts a mental illness accurately or not, or even the pop-culture nigger's view of it(which nobody was talking about) is irrelevant to a discussion on real-world narcissism, how to handle narcissists, how to deal with narcissists in the real world, and so on.

It's like blabbering about Phoenix Wright and How To Get Away With Murder in the middle of a discussion on real-world courtroom bullshit. Talk of narcissism in media is off topic in a thread about real-world narcissism and dealing with narcissistic people IRL.

You want to talk about TV? Does someone else want to talk about TV? Whoever brought up Starscream, do you really want to talk about TV shows on this site? There are shows about narcissism. There are shows with more narcissistic characters. There are shows with characters who personify real narcissism better. Like that bitch mom from Arrested Development, or whatshername from this video, the old hag of a mother. [YouTube] Loki, the MCU, and Narcissism [Embed] Starscream is a faggot who exists to suck and fail 99% of the time, just as the Decepticons exist to suck and fail and betray each other to make the heroes and their friendship and kindness look superior. Even though Optimus is kind of a bitch for letting his people die "nobly" instead of trying to make more of them like Negatron(At least I think that was the lore last time a gf candidate made me sit through a lore video). Loki is a better discussion topic for the pop-culture view of Narcissism as a trait intended to be "Endearing". Loki has the "Sanitized" pop-culture version of Narcissism where it serves as a character quirk rather than a character flaw. And isn't that a strange thing? Narcissism is something unhealthy. It's the sin of pride, really. And yet Hollywood loves to glamorize it as something the truly successful, stylish, cool characters are allowed to have because they've "earned" it.

There is also BBC's Sherlock, an obnoxious narcissistic prick who gets away with everything because he's a Gary Stu with bullshit Bat Deduction levels of "Intelligence", being an intelligent character written by retards who view "Intelligence" as something magical. If you want to talk about Narcissism In The Media, we can talk about it. Perhaps we could talk about it in a separate thread, specifically about Narcissism In The Media? I could rant about BBC's Shlock for hours, but I can't imagine anyone would want to see that here.

>>5093
I'm tired of that guy trying to drag me into shit-flinging contests too. Doesn't he have a job or life to get back to? And to think, he calls me the crazy one.

>>4763
>>Common phrases
>'I need you', 'I depend on you', 'I cant do this without you', etc., geared toward incrntivising, coercing, and guilt-tripping the targrt into compliance.
I've witnessed this in the behavior of people I've met who I anecdotally consider to have gone through narcissistic phases.
It's also a common behavior in domestic among abusers.
>>3957
The term "narcissist" might not be the best term, because it implies that the mentality is easily categorized. Narcissistic mindsets and behaviors can occur in varying degrees and for varying periods of time. There are people who behave narcissistic, people who do so chronically, and people who are painfully messed-up (this could be considered a narcissistic personality disorder). The problem with the term "narcissist" is that the concept of a negative label drives away the very people who need it the most to consider it for themselves.
Narcissist of any kind is a mental health struggle, and although any person can struggle with behaviors associated with narcissism, some struggle more than others.
The fact that you seem willing to ask it shows that you have the self-awareness to consider yourself one. In the end, the only person who can answer the question is you, through periods of self-reflection.
Instead of asking yourself if you are "a narcissist" consider asking yourself "How can I be less narcissistic?"

>>5092
>I encourage everyone to marvel in that amalgamated phrase. I dont know, but it it is amazing.
You flatter me, it is simply my expression of interpretation.
>Meanwhile, reminder that this is the Narcissism thread, geared toward providing actionable information and material of/pertaining-to narcissists, and NOT trying to tag random cartoons with otherwise definitive
Of course this was never meant to be fixated solely on fictionalization of narcissism but instead the noticeable signs to look out for among everyday people that one may come across.

>>5076
I don't really like using cartoons as examples of narcissists, because they're not really useful as examples, and it echoes reddit-tier Marvel/HP references in real life.
Especially Starstream, who is not only a non-human character, but a robot character who's inhuman mindset is an aspect of his concept. He is clearly meant to be narcissistic, but his narcissism isn't easily compared to real life people in any useful way.

>>5098
>I don't really like using cartoons as examples of narcissists, because they're not really useful as examples, and it echoes reddit-tier Marvel/HP references in real life.
Suit yourself. In whatever manner the plebbit capeshit referencing has to do with this, it has no significance for it's mentioning because it is irrelevant to what is happening here.
>Especially Starstream, who is not only a non-human character, but a robot character who's inhuman mindset is an aspect of his concept.
Although it is very much akin to several other personas in the real word, like the other Transformers are characterized impersonations. This could go on and on yet it would invariably be a waste of time due to it's irrelevance to the baseline topic.
>He is clearly meant to be narcissistic, but his narcissism isn't easily compared to real life people in any useful way.
It boils down to whether someone can compare or not the similarities between fiction or reality in a useful manner to their own evaluation of other humans in a analytical way, not everyone can be easily deduced if their actions and words have not been thoroughly studied in retrospection.

>Prof. Edward Dutton: The Jolly Heretic
>Can You Tell a Narcissist Just From His Eyebrows?
https://odysee.com/Can-You-Tell-a-Narcissist-Just-From-His-Eyebrows_:8
Mirror:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/4klZQhWCmZdX/ [Embed]

[YouTube] The most common test for narcissism [Embed]
Short video on the overall method and interpersonal dynamic with a narcissist

The most glaring example of a narcissistic dynamic and how tox8c it can be that I could possibly ask for is the now-notorious scenario that culminatez with Will Smith bitch-slapping Chris Rock.
I'd like to say 'nuff said' since it would be preferable to going into detail about how this bitch is crazy and the real source for alot of the shit to do with the situation, but I will go deep into it if really desired. Theres just so much to cover, and yet I dont want to leave it at 'Iykyk'. I also dont want to have to go back and find all the memes and videos and photos which display the obvious (if youre looking) social, behavioral, body-language and facial tics, and other red flags/cues.
The sbort version is, she's a vulnerable narcissist in that relationship, which is only made worse by his overwhelming success. Im not calling him a victim, he made his bed and she slept with another man in it.
But you can see over-done gestures like pic 2, which can seem innocent enough by themselves but collectively paint a very predatory picture.
[YouTube] jada lied [Embed]
Dont be Will Smith, they be hella Jada Pinkets out there.

[YouTube] 11 Warning Signs of Gaslighting in TANGLED [Embed]
If anons are interested in authentic fictitious depictions of narcissism

>>5277
If you were will smith how would you have handled the situation?

>>5277
I think that whole situation is a shame. Guy gets in one little fight, and suddenly his wife is sending him off to live with his auntie and uncle in Bel Air.

>>5327
>what would you do if you were a multi millionaire hollywood celebrity
Nigel, please. We all know you love intellectually-masturbatory questions of 'what if'. Kindly keep your masturbation to yourself.

>>5353
Nigger

>>5354
You were all talking about glorified niggers acting like niggers anyways.

>>5356
>zero discernment
>cant see the narcissism, only sees the niggers
>mad about it
Some day, you will realize that the correct thing to do when you have nothing to say is to say nothing.

>>5357
>narcissism
Are these narcissists in the room with us right now?

Wow, gaslighting in the Narcissism thread. How poetic

>>5360
It's just me screwing around again, nothin' serious.

>Its just a joke bro
This pretense was covered in narcissism 101. The ahort version is, you're full of shit and dont know how to act, so you veil your shitty demeanor in 'excusable'/'nonchalant' pretense.
(You) should fuck off.

Would the poners tone it down a bit.

>>5363
The topic hasnt changed, and neither will my posture. You intuit upset, where there is resolved opposition. The two are not the same.

>>5363
In any case, am neither noigel, nor transformerfag. If anything, this is a bit hilarious from my perspective.
>>5362
Whatever you want to believe mate. I get why you reacted that way, don't worry.

>>5365
>literally depicts narcissistic abuse in the literal narcissism thread
No one knows or cares who you are. If not for your posts, you wouldnt even register. Congrats, your only significance is shitposting on mlpol. Hope it was worth it.