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They claim their existence and continued months-long vendetta against critics is part of board culture, while displaying ignorance of chan culture and any culture other than circlejerking reddit culture. They throw around buzzwords like "Mental Gymnastics" and "Buzz Word" without knowing the meaning of those words. They shit threads up, then blame those who hate them for the actions they chose to take. They lie, shitpost, waste time, and lower the quality of discussion, then laugh every morning they visit site and see that they are still not banned. They shitposted on 4/mlp/ until its death, and now they're here, like a parasite feeding on a new host.
They are Glimmerniggers, and they do not belong here.
Obligatory disclaimer: There's a difference between Glimfag and Glimmernigger. If you just like Glimmer and you aren't part of the Glimmernigger brigade that's still salty over one man criticizing them over 3 months ago, good for you. If you don't care about Glimmer but you want people to stop criticizing her, you care about her, you just don't want to admit it. She's a fictional character. A few people criticizing Poochie isn't going to hurt you or her. Most of her fans headcanon away the worst aspects of this objectively-bad character anyway, but this thread isn't about Glimmer, this is a thread about the group of shitposters that wants their special retarded brand of Glimmer discussion to dominate the board.
Previous thread, which accomplished nothing and was deleted when mods decided on the "Just ignore the brigading shitposters or I'll ban you" strategy: http://archive.is/XUfam
Proof that Glimmerniggers are cancer: http://archive.is/oAeAp
Proof that the "Just ignore them or else!" strategy sounds good but doesn't work, because these ledditfags can be summoned into a thread the second one of their bad-argument persecution-complex reddit-style Rickingmorty-loving members feels backed into a corner even if the topic is political and not even remotely Glimmer-related: http://archive.is/LgBev
You define "us." In terms of association, I will dare not associate himself with me. If there were to be a collective us, he would lower the bar and be the weakest link.
Another point, to imply that this cancer is apart of us would imply a sort of camaraderie. It's impossible to feel such a way, there is a resentment.
A niche group, consisting of anons who both appreciate MLP and who are politically motivated/aware; Those who are undaunted by the terms "Nazi" and "Horsefucker"; a bunch of internet misfits of a particular bent. Synonyms:
Douchebags who literally had to abscond to their own place to avoid greater alienation.
I will give it a go, but everyone will have their own view on what "us" is.
For one, not being apart of reddick -and if some are, they at least don't act like it when they are here- or bringing useless drama to this site. Now, drama is bound to happen, it always will happen, but the attention seeking way he dose it is not us. He could of easily faded back into being an anon, ignoring post but he just can not help himself. He must be known, he WANTS to be known. We are a small site so that fact is in his favor on leniency, since its a tad harder to stay an anon once your posting style gets noticed. The difference tho, is he dose it on purpose. He willingly makes himself known and buds into threads to start shit, then claims he didndu nuffin. As a whole, he is not where at all "us", he is an annoying drama starter who feels like this site OWES him something for his stupid shit post.
"Us" means you blend in. you try to not make waves to be noticed, and if you do, at least it should be done constructively but never such as >Call me King Britanaon
Now, we do have some trip fags, but again, THEY tend to be helping the site- Ebin had his shit maps and updates for /mlsg/, and there are others you can spot right off the bat who dont tripfag.
The issue again is HOW barneybrit shits on the users of the site, accuses anyone and everyone of being "Those 6 discucks" or calls everyone a glimmernigger because they asked him to stop invading their threads and driving them off topic.
I'm not - nor will ever
- say he's beyond reproach. Desu, a fair case COULD be made that he skirts the line on several of the rules. The issue is (whether he deliberately brings them up or not, which I'm inclined to think its indeliberate) where does it end? Okay, KB gets a ban. That sets a dangerous precedent, even if the ban is temporary. To my understanding, "Being a faggot" is not
against the rules.
The main rule I call forth to gib him the ban is rule 3- Pony allowed, NO EXCEPTIONS. I hate gommie horse, I think she was forgiven to quickly and climbed the ranks of the mane cast way to easily- YET we can not stop people from posting her, only stopping those who try to flood/drive threads into archives with the same repeated glam style posting. That has yet to happen here, nor would mods and admins let it- THUS his continued reeing against anything glimmer posted, even if its just a reaction image. We are not banning someone for being a faggit- We are enforcing the rules we set down on April 1st.
He ban evades. This is why I wanted to make a separate thread detailing it, but I'm not sure on whether or not to escalate the issue. Well, now is the best time.
I have NO authority, but make your case then.>>3574
That's a number of issues. For one, the rules set forth on Apr 1st pertained to 4/mlpol/, among which there are a scant number who remain on Mlpol.net. For two, there is no prohibition on being an insufferable faggot, even if anons ARE being an insufferable faggot (and indeed, if you had any idea the same-faggotry that was actively going on you might be shocked) that's STILL not prohibited.
Again being a shitposter is not why I call for the ban- He is in violation of rule 3, has been for awhile. We are not giving up our rules because less users are here atm- Thats not the point of having rules. If he wants to continue to shit up threads and drive them off topic, attempting to shatter rule 3, I do not want him here -speaking for me only atm, but I think others agree about his way of derailing threads- If the rules are scrapped then I feel I will take my leave of this site. You can shitpost faggit all you want- Just stay within the guidelines of the rules- Something he dose not do
It's not an issue of your authority or mines but cementing public opinion in a way that we can identify a common issue. This division only weakens our stance against the forces at hand. Appeasement as I see it is not an option here. It has been used before, and won't help us. Now, I'm not saying that I want to control how people act and think, but on the other side presents the same problem. OP can't be controlled just as those who respond to him, so the only solution thus is to remove OP.
Those sounds an awful lot like "I'm triggered, so ban HIM." Again, I repeat: he is not beyond reproach, but he is not currently in violation of the rules, given the manner in which the rules are worded and devised. He's insufferable with regard to his "Glimmernigger this and that" and I've been called such more times than I can count, but while he advocates against Glimmerniggers he does so with an overly-paranoid - if observable misdirected - interest in the quality of the board. That his definition of 'quality' differs from others (most?) is evident, but Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance on that argument.
He has been in violation of rules, so your point is moot. I have spoken so to a moderator on this.
His definition of quality is shit tbh. I still state that rule 3 is being broken by him, past actions mostly although present actions he has towed the line- but still crosses said line time to time, and more so then other users have. The fact he hasnt done it as a shitposting style is another main issues of it- Shitposting and attention whoring are two different beast and he some how manged to be an attention whoring rule breaking shitposter. Ive seen people ban for LESS, and he has run amok for awhile
>>3573>Okay, KB gets a ban. That sets a dangerous precedent, even if the ban is temporary. To my understanding, "Being a faggot" is not against the rules.
I just had to bitch out a mod for issuing bans where there was no rule violation and deleting posts. This is a real concern.
The longform of the rules is available here:https://mlpol.net/policy.html
You're welcome to cite which part he is in violation of.
>>3583>3. Ponies allowed, NO EXCEPTIONS.
Equestrians faced a lot of discrimination in the land of before, when /pol/ met them they reacted with fear, loathing, and disgust, before realizing they were truly our greatest ally
As such, it was agreed that as long as we from /pol/ can discuss our politics without >muh racism, those from /mlp/ may post pony porn to their hearts content
May post pony to their hearts content- While BB then decides to try to axe it off cause he dose not like glimmer. Again I keep saying it, RULE 3 :shrug:
While im at it, rule 4 too. >4. No shill threads.
For those not in the know, shills are people who pretend to be disinterested 3rd parties in order to convince onlookers to try a salesman's product
Shills from 4chan would routinely try to use any doubts we had to get their foot in the door and argue their way between us, turning us against one another
For this the rule prohibits any posts that attempt to divide the community by preying on doubt, all posts must be appeals to reason, not appeals to emotion or other logical fallacies like that
>the rule prohibits any posts that attempt to divide the community by preying on doubt, all posts must be appeals to reason, not appeals to emotion or other logical fallacies like that \He is clrealy shilling his shit and is attempting to divide the community into glimmer niggers and /mlpol/ posters
11. Check the catalog first.
Please check the catalog before posting. Having 30 threads up for the same topic is silly, and is a waste of catalog space.
There is a precendent before of a poster banned for spamming. This occurred in a "waifu war" thread in which a poster repeatedly spammed and derailed the thread, which he was banned for a small time. Although, I'm not sure if ban invasion should be a punishment, if definitely should be. Nigel has ban evaded. Another thing, the policies page isn't the die-hard constitution. It has been broken, molded, and used accordingly to whatever a staff member has done before. If this point comes across as inadequate, then it should be then pointed that staff have been in abuse in the past.
This is a decent argument. To counter, I'm going with the classic libel defense, set forth by People v. Larry Flint.
Can you legitimately state that KB's actions have driven an observable wedge between one section of Mlpol and another? It seems to me that his actions have ONLY driven a wedge between Mlpol and himself. Hence, his actions cannot be described as shilling, except against himself.
As for rule three, he's not advocating against Glimmer, he's advocating against "Glimmerniggers", which is a vacuous and intangible concept that only seems to exist in his mind (and TRULY I wish him luck in that). Having said, he's not seeking to omit a particular pone, but rather individuals he perceives to be negative to the site as a whole. Close, but not the same thing.
>These are enemy agents.
Mr. Goldson, You hate this place. This zoo. This prison. This reality, whatever you want to call it.
I can't stand it any longer. It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it. I can taste your stink and every time I do, I fear that I've somehow been infected by it.
Points well taken. Still, rule 4 shilling dosent state that even if it fails, its ok- It states not to do it. So even as he failed, he was and still is in violation of it, although we can agree its minor, more so the reason I never brought up rule 4 and focused on 3. For rule 3, I have seen him enter threads where someone has posted glimmer just to bitch about it -No I wont dig the archives or site atm, getting ready for work- under the guise that its for the site as a whole- while ignoring the site as a whole who has asked him to get out of the thread he is derailing.
So filter him. Nothing is stopping you. What IS stopping you is the perception that you are in a position to dictate his beheavior, which you don't have. Sorry anon.
He has gotten threads locked before. You cant filter that out m8, what he has done and dose do, is more then a simple filter block
I really do think that /sp/ rhetoric of "rulecucked" had gotten to us long ago. Now the staff are docile and weak.
I don't think that. But for some reason, it only seems like BB gets this free pass. The killwall still shows they are active and providing for the site as staff, and they more or less are counting on us to drop and ignore the BB poster- Yet at this time I think they need to make a move, one way or the other- Either lay down the hammer until BB realizes this is not just his site nor dose he control the posters, nor is he looked upon as a savior against an imagined horde. Yes glamhordes are real, but again, this site dosent have that problem, and never has yet he calims it dose because he got into a fight with his discord group.
Or the staff lays the hammer down on ALL who bring up said topic until it dies off, be it BB, myself or anyone else posting about it. I want my comfy friends back, not this filth of division
I'll be glad with either solution, particularly the first. If my own presence on this site is compromised, the so be it. I'm exhausted enough of this proble.that it warrants me to leave.
I have taken a moment of thought and came up with some conclusions towards Nigel and his behavior. I will sort them from most likely to least likely.
1. Nigel is a Reddit Newfag
In my opinion the most likely scenarior. Nigel is contrary to his own admission a Brony that has mostly been using sites outside of chan culture and rarele - if ever - used /mlp/, /pol/ or any other similar chan sites and just happened to have a right wing political leaning by chance, not by choice
2. Nigel is Socially Retarded
This may or may not coincide with point 1. Nigel has personality traits that make him socially awkward. He wants to belong to communities but stumbles over his own false sense of intellectuality and falsely recongnizes his skill to analyses childrens cartoons as a serious skill. If Nigel has no prior experience to politics this could also explain his overall poor contribution quality to this aspect of the site.
3. Nigel is Mentally Retarded
There is no way for us to know if Nigel is clinically suffering from some kind of mental or perhaps even physical disability, be that high or low functioning. Even people like Chris Chan are able to use the internet and leave smoldering creaters in their wake where they strive. If Nigel has by any chance a bodyly disability, the lack of human socialisiation may haven driven him over that particular edge to adopt this circle of abarasive posting and (accidental?) attention whoring.
4. Nigel is a Troll
If True, my honest admiration. Nigel has been here since about June and that would be quite the mid term trolling Project. It would explain Nigels ability to fabricate memes, arguments that turn into downward spirals and his drive and desire to keep the show going to get some laughs out of all the idiots that perpetually took his bait. Maybe he even likes Starlight Glimmer unironically.
5. Nigel is a group of people
Most of my points from 4. go in here, except it is not one person, but several who agreed to "work" on this project or perhaps even live in the same space together and just have a laugh at a group of Nazi Horsefuckers on the internet.
6. Nigel is a paid MSM Shill
The MSM have taken lesseons from undercover observation of chan sites and devised a plan to destroy us from the inside. A Terminator if you will, with the skin of a chan dweller on the outside but the spine of a mercenary to spread subtile anti right propaganda with the goal to divide and conquer the community. It would explain the longvenity of the events and how persistent Nigel is in his advances.
7. Nigel is a Mod or a site App of MLPOL
Nigel is a sockpuppet of a Mod with the goal to test the morals of the community or just to annoy us for the sake of creating traffic or attention for the site to keep us engaged. or perhaps even just for his own ammusement. Perhaps Nigel is not even real and just some sort of Chatbot who has been programmed to reply to a collection of posts with preselected pictures and sentences.
8. Nigel does not exist
Niegel never was here, is not here and never will be here. We are hallucination. People pretend or imagine someone or something being here that was a fabrication of our mind. A curse of Paranoia if you will that we brought upon ourselves. Or perhaps a supernatutal being in the likes of a Cyberdemon.
I never took the chance to look up KB's dox, but I wish that I had; it might shed light on the situation. I share your sentiments though and I regret that this
situation is/maybe a contributing factor. I do note - and this was only recently revealed to me - that the discord group he was kicked and doxxed by has been purged, and that a new one has been built in its stead that is more consistent with the intent and spirit of Mlpol (not just in name).>>3595>>3596>>3597
So is your participation with the site so tentative that one poster (assuming the group-troll allegation is inaccurate) can compromise it? I'm not condoning his actions FAR from it!
, but are you anons really so thin-skinned?
Your pontificating eludes me. It almost as though you are mucking us. But, really. There's a difference having thick skin and patience. My patience has ran out (it's been months and this problem still exists.) Why should I just accept this?
A little, but you're also trying to leverage your participation against his, which is particularly easy to do in /qa/ where there are no flags and IDs. No bully, but it is what it is. As far as patience vs. thick skin, I see them as one and the same. You describe KB as a problem, and I don't contest that description, but there are many approaches at your disposal that don't involve calling for his termination as a participant. I'm simply asking, have thoroughly pursued those options?
Where is the line to be drawn between one inividual that may accidently cause division within the whole community and possible a cluster of people that does the same on purpose with the goal of destruction of the social cohesion?
Even if I were to globally filter him for the rest of time, What makes Nigel functionally different from a paid shills when his actions cause the exact same effect and snowball perpetually more into it the longer he is allowed to go on?
Why, yes. I've debated him to a peg (to which last time his only argument was "hur durr go back to reddit"), called him out for he was, during the beginning offered a middle ground, mediated, ignored him, etc… Perhaps you and I are different, but I've had much more of a stake in this what it seems. Another option I pursued was direct contact with a mod, which enlightned me to a few things & galvanised my opposition.
at the time when this conflict stirring was new i felt Vril was overreacting when he chose to move into opposition to Nigel and called for harsh measures such as bans.
Now, I see that wisdom that was in this act. I no longer believe him to be in the wrong. Instead, I must blame myself for be to lenient. If rot is allowed to set in, it will. And it will spread.
Aside from a mandate from the greater participants of Mlpol, the line is to be drawn by moderators. As for difference, I can't say without knowing more of his background. I doubt however that many will be particularly swayed by his 'reason'.>>3603
As have I (debated that is). Without same-fagging I have been at this with KB almost since the beginning, and I have quite a stake in this as well.>>3604
Desu I don't think that Vril was wrong either. I'm choosing to argue more or less on KB's behalf because I simply don't know. At the risk of dramatics, I can't help but think that the recent season finale of MLP was poetically appropriate.
A lot of people are asking why the Glimmer hater has not been banned, so I'll tell you all why.
What was said in >>3557
is essentially correct. The Glimmer hater is not going to back down because of argument, he has more endurance than all of you combined, and if you bait him he will respond. I really thought all of you would have learned that by now, as I learned it months ago. He's not a problem unless he is provoked. He was a daily user of the board for well over a month before Glimmergate. He was just fine throughout September and half of October, until someone starting talking about "glimmer Nigel" in the thread, which provoked him.
The main reason he is not banned, is that he is always provoked into posting. For every post of his, there are always at least three people who are behaving more poorly than him. While he is always sincere, and while he seems to be unreasonable because of some born disability, everyone else should have learned by now that all they have to do to make him stop is to just stop responding and stop baiting him.
Lotus, you are a cuck.
is that an argument?
fair enough, pretty sure no cuckoldry actually exists in the staff.
Go on, keep thinking that. Meanwhile I'll keep trying to find a way to make it work for everyone. Xp
Bumping because the Glimmer cabal is at it again. And this time, they're organized. They aren't any brighter than they were last time, but they're more organized.https://mlpol.net/mlpol/res/165646.htmlhttps://mlpol.net/mlpol/res/166259.htmlhttps://mlpol.net/mlpol/res/165114.html
Who will these "Glimmerniggers", organized using Discord and united to act like leftypol, attack next? Who will they harass and hound across threads and boards, who will they decide is a cringey thoughtcriminal next?
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Damn, invaders. Back at it again with the you-deserve-bans.