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Rule Rewrite
Lotus
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No.9386
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Hi anon! We reformed the rule set! Check it out here
https://mlpol.net/policy

>What was wrong with the old set?
So very, very many things

To start off, it was not made on mlpol.net. It was made on April 2, 2017, on the merged board of 4chan. It was never made for this website, nor any independent site, and it has no reflection to our situation. The vast majority of people who participated in that thread on 4chan are not here now, and do not use mlpol.net. Several of the rules in the old set were added by staff over the years and were never voted on.

Second, it has no bearing at all to rules as enforced and probably never has. The number one violation for which we issue bans is and long has been spam. Those little cyrilic bot posts with the ultra-low-resolution images. Tell me where in the old rule set it says "do not spam?" Pro-tip: it doesn't. A majority of all of our moderation enforcement has been against something that isn't even listed as against the rules. There is also no rule in it against off-board raiding - even though that is clearly the spirit of several of the rules - and off board raids have long been one of the dominant reasons for bans.

It worked the other way as well. The rule against "generals" was discarded in practical enforcement in the first year when we decided to allow Syria General to post on /mlpol/. Not long after this, anonfilly was invited after being kicked off of /mlp/. There's also that unstated rule 1 and rule 2. "Don't talk about /mlpol/." We realized within a month of April 2 that not advertising the board - which now was off of 4chan and was it's own website - was a bad idea.

The rule set had absolutely no rule against insufferable and obnoxious posters, and that was a rather big issue.

And you can't tell me it wasn't ungainly and long. It was two typed pages. That isn't useful.

The rule set was prone to misinterpretation, or at least, to give the wrong impression to newcomers. I met with a friend who didn't know I had anything to do with mlpol, and asked him what he thought about the altchans. He told me that mlpol.net and /poner/ was hampered by its banning of generals. A rule we have enfored... once? Ever? Back in the summer of 2017?

And yes, the rules lawyering around the "striped" thread was a factor. Rather than arguing actually relevant issues like whether or not the zebras having sex with twilight were a part of fetish, or posted with a deliberate intent to disrupt the board, instead time and energy is wasted arguing with people who in some cases had never used the board before that day over what degree the my little pony porn resembled some kind of thread that was spammed on the /pol/ board many years ago. That's not helpful.

>Why now? Why not after a long, lengthy process?
It should have been overhauled years ago. I have wanted to overhaul the rules for years. The primary reason we have not is because we didn't have an idea for how to codify a moderator response to what we considered to be edge cases - posters who seemed to be acting in good faith, but who were so horrifically and consistently obnoxious it ruined the experience for everyone around them. It wasn't until this year that I figured out the blanket term "disruptive" captures the essence of these edge cases, but also posting types we ban anyways, like off-board raiders and spam.

>But why now specifically?
Because now is the time that reforms that have been long put off are most needed.

>Why these rules?
I wanted the rules to do three things. One, to reflect actual enforcement and the needs of moderation. Two, to be rather limited, allow most posts to be permitted, and maximum freedom to posters. And three, be short and easy to understand. What we came up with, I think, does capture most circumstances where moderation action is needed, and does so in a succinct and easy to understand manner. Some of the rules could easily be split up into smaller rules, but still, it is a short list of rules.

>Why does the policy page say that the rule set is "under construction"?
Because that part of the policy page is probably going to be modified to include a description of the boards and any rules that might be specific to the board

>But shouldn't the community discuss the rules?
Well, this is the thread. Discuss it now. As stated, the rules were written to reflect actual enforcement. These are things that we have already discussed endlessly, including last year when there was a proposal to add a "lurk more" rule. And besides, if you haven't noticed, who the "community" even is right now is in a state of flux. The newcomers need a very simple set of rules that they can read, understand, and not misinterpret, and they need it now.

>Does this mean that /poner/ is not getting rules on porn?
Not necessarily. We've decided that we will give that a little more time to decide what to do. It's very unlikely that we are going to make /poner/ a completely blue board, but it's far from out of the question that we will add rules like no NSFW in the OP, no porn dumping, or require spoilers. If this is added, it will not be listed on the global rule set. It will be under the board specific rule set, which as of now has not been added.

>You're a faggot
no u
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Anonymous
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>>9661
Bot needs a patch.
Anonymous
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>>9660
I think we're talking past each other. For me, the red-blue board split is axiomatic to the quality of discussion. When we can feel safe never to see anything lewd we can feel safe to post to our hearts' delight. It's naive to assume your body doesn't feel the feel when looking at something lewd or unsafe. I remember /pone/ going down in flames because moderation couldn't stop anons without self control.
Anonymous
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>>9635
If someone wants a blue board, then there's already NHNB's very own /fim/ for that. I just fail to see any need for /poner/ to be anything but 100% red.
Anonymous
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No.9665
>>9663
We're talking past each other because your argument is utter shite when you're contradicting yourself with every other post.
Anonymous
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No.9666
>>9664
It's not good to need a whole different website when we can all stay together. Seriously, have you never used /mlp/ before? Blue board for ponies, and when you wanted lewd you went to /trash/, another board on the same website.
Anonymous
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No.9667
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Spoilered
Holy shit he is that autistic.
Anonymous
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>>9667
I'm trying hard as I might not to sound like a chatbot. Cut me some slack. You're talking to a real human. Besides who's autistic that he can't have a single purely safe for work blue board free from every and any porn?
Anonymous
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>>9668
Answer the damn question then. Why do you need a SFW board, outside of shenanigans?
(you) won't
Anonymous
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>>9669
I have answered the question. You're starting to sound like anime fans in >>9628, albeit pre-emptively. In the past we posted nsfw, to be exact it was gore, in order to troll newfags. We can have a blue board in addition to red boards. We have an anime board! Why does mlpol.net have an anime board? Just because.
Try it.
Try a blue board and feel the difference.
Anonymous
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No.9671
>>9615
>Boards that allow any adult content are red boards
>Boards that ban any adult content are blue boards
What don't you get? There has never been a name for any kind of board between, like purple board because that would be stupid.

Technically allowing porn but setting a rule on how its allowed is still a red board, vs banning it all and there's been a lot of these kinds of boards on altchans.

>4/mlp/ had a lot of low quality shitposting-chain threads, which would better be posted on >>>/sp/
>4/trash/ had a lot of porn dumps which could just be posted to >>>/mlpol/ if mods want, porn dumps rarely get any kind of discussion. Milky is maybe an exception since she's been perma banned on 4chan .

>>>>/poner/ can still be a red board even without excessive porn dumps, or porn in the OP if porn is allowed in the rest of the thread
>Porn in the OP was a deterrent for shills in /pol/, but there's no /pol/ threads on /poner/ so it's not really changing much except that people can't browse /poner/ at work like they would with /mlp/.
Anonymous
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I hate that it's two IDs with nearly the same shade of green arguing. You guys look like a schizo having a samefag meltdown.
Anonymous
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>>9672
It's more fun than without IDs but only thanks to pure chance.
Anonymous
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>>9670
>I have answered the question. You're starting to sound like anime fans in >>9628, albeit pre-emptively.
You haven't though.
>In the past
<we
Is this {we} /mlp/, or /mlpol/?
>posted nsfw, to be exact it was gore, in order to troll newfags.
I see no reason why that can't exist within the current scope though.
>We can have a blue board in addition to red boards. We have an anime board!
Yeah, and it's red. Same as every other board.
>Why does mlpol.net have an anime board? Just because.
Exactly. Just because. Why do [i]you need a blueboard though?
>Try a blue board and feel the difference.
See >>9616.....
>>9672
Why do you think I've been ignoring the other faggot?
Anonymous
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>>9630
Porn in OP is more than just browsing at work.
It's a psychological thing, the OP sets the rest of the thread. If porn is in the OP, more horny posters posting porn are likely to follow. Like clop dump threads on /mlp/ you would see more than one IP get on the bandwagon and pornpost.
But people on /mlp/ were already horny and a red/poner/ shows that pornposting can become dominant anytime with lots of threads, so it's kind of a gray area here if the same psyche barrier even matters over embracing /trash/.
Anonymous
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>>9675
Be honest. Have you used 4/mlp/, ever?
Anonymous
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>>9677
Be honest. Have you answered a question without being jewish?
Anonymous
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>>9676
This. However there were also threads made with pure intentions and a weak system of control to make anons stay with the pure intention.
>>9678
You've missed out.
Anonymous
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>>9679
>no
Well that confirms it, glownigger.
Anonymous
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>>9680
Haven't you called me autistic less than an hour ago?
Anonymous
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>>9681
>US: https://federalnewsnetwork.com/workforce/2024/01/nga-building-on-efforts-to-recruit-neurodivergent-talent/
What's your point?
Anonymous
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>>9682
Let's have 1 (one) blue board within which not a single nsfw upload may be posted - and you're not going to lose a thing.
Anonymous
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>>9664
The fact is nhnb sucks. Lynxchan was always bad and that's what nhnb was built on. It was trash when it was made to supplement 8chan and a downgrade in every way.
The captcha system and hourly bypasses gets complained about all the time, but there is no solution, and never will be because the admin isn't a good coder. It's his way of dealing with bots, but it's crude and punishes the entire userbase for it.

Fuck just settling for passable, a blue /poner/ would be better just because I don't have to use a captcha every post. mlpol is closer to 8chan but I don't expect /poner/ going blue will happen.
Anonymous
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No.9685
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>>9683
Why?
Anonymous
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>>9685
I'm making a positive claim about a negative: you're not going to lose anything when we gain a pure nsfw-free place to stay. It'll be the most active, you'll see.
>>9684
Bunch of grieving hobos can hope.
Anonymous
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>>9686
You still haven't answered the question though. A-are you scared of horsepussy?
Anonymous
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>>9687
No, I love it, and it's so much better when you're going hours without it. It's like not eating for a really long while because food's better after a long day without.
Anonymous
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>>9679
>there were also threads made with pure intentions and a weak system of control to make anons stay with the pure intention.
Which is why I questioned if the psyche barrier even matters on a red board. Even something just harmless like clearing a canvas in /bale/ and /create/ has to have porn spoilered if it's posted on nhnb, but if the same file is posted here then people ask why it's not just porn >>>/poner/833 → >>>/poner/826 →
Anonymous
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>>9688
So again, we come back to you requiring an environment that's free of temptation?
>I WANNA BLUEBOARD
>i WANNA I WANNA I WANNNAAAAAAA
Anonymous
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>9689
>>9690
/mlp/ had this weird thing when the mods would surprisingly ban anons for things they've allowed for years and silently allow them back in again, and also silently delete posts without warning. Over the years, anons have tried to lot out the limits. Force of habit, I think.
>>9691
What's wrong with free of temptation? I remember how mad shills got on April 1st when /pol/ said "Yes, we prefer ponyfags over arguing with you."
Anonymous
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>What's wrong with free of temptation?
<YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND I AM UNABLE TO NOT TOUCH MY DICK THE MOMENT I SEE TITS ON A SCREEN!!!! REEEEEEEEEE!
Probably a DEI hire.
Anonymous
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No.9694
Bored now. In conclusion the argument for the need of a blue board is spoilertrolling.
Anonymous
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>>9693
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Lotus
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At the risk of tossing in an apple of discord…

A moderator wants to revisit the idea of allowing thread OPs to declare the pork rules within their respective threads (SFW, NSFW, Spoiler). Another wants no NSFW in the OP to keep the catalogue SFW, and a separate spoiler option for poke versus other NSFW.
Anonymous
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No.9698
I shut up for a while, but you guys are dumb, so here's the reality.
>>9696
Mlpol will always be a red board. /sp/ will always be a red board. Ponies will always be allowed on Mlpol, that's effectively a global rule for all boards. BTW /vx/ is also a red board, for the tf2 fags. In fact, there isn't currently a blue board on the whole site.
If /poner/ anons want a blue board - and there does seem to be a significant number clamoring for - it seems reasonable to accommodate. Spoilering OP NSFW won't work for several reasons, including but not limited to spoiler-trolling, and leaving it to OP to properly designate which type of thread it is is troublesome and kinda gives a little too much credit to anonymous
Anonymous
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No.9699
>>9697
It's much easier to declare entire boards sfw and nsfw.
Anonymous
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No.9700
>>9697
>pork rules
We're making a kosher board now?
Anonymous
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>>9697
>Another wants no NSFW in the OP to keep the catalogue SFW
For what purpose though? If an entire board is NSFW other than the catalog, whose sensitive virgin eyes are we actually shielding? The only thing it's going to do is make it harder to find things at a glance. Anybody too sensitive to NSFW to read any of the threads on the board isn't going to be spending all day looking at the catalog either, and if these are /mlpol/ mods we're talking about, they're surely not the ones with sensitive virgin eyes.
>A moderator wants to revisit the idea of allowing thread OPs to declare the pork rules within their respective threads (SFW, NSFW, Spoiler)
I personally think it's reasonable that an OP can request a thread to not be flooded with NSFW, but I don't think this requires any actual rules. Instead, it should just be a cultural good faith common courtesy per the spirit of GR2. If somebody is intentionally trying to get a rise and cause friction by posting NSFW where it isn't welcome, that's disruptive bad faith posting, very likely also derailing, and already a clear violation of the new GR.

The thing I especially like about GR2 is that it negates the possibility of rules lawyering and playing technicalities. The average shithead knows full well when they're trying to skirt the rules and be disruptive, and any posters that are just huge disruptive faggots by default aren't worth rolling out the red carpet for. If GR2 is the default bottom-line rule that's used to protect the site and users, then if some OP ends up being a huge faggot and actually deserves the good old horsepussy repellent it can still happen without there being much of an argument over who is supposed to do what because the entire mentality encouraged by GR2 is to exercise common courtesy.
Anonymous
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I don't have many strong opinions on any of this, but some thoughts here

>red vs blue /poner/
/mlpol/ is a red board, every /pol/ refugee that could tolerate ponies already set here nothing to do about it
but the /mlp/ refugees are split, and the political factor doesn't appear to be the deciding factor between /mlpol/ and nhnb, it's only a matter of tact. on this front, to have a /mlp/ cognate board here would be very welcome, some anons just want a comfy sfw thread to see fluffy twilights and discuss writefagging on fimfiction without horspuss in the middle of some heartfelt green. the sfw-nsfw choice would be appreciated, same on the sfw catalog

>striped
again, the mods are very tactful on the hooves-off approach, I commend you, simply giving out b& without context is sure approach for disaster.
there's a counterpoint to this thougheveralbeit: if you are on /mlpol/ - my little politics™, the bastard april fools joke website child of teh h4x0r 4chan's boards 8 years ago, you know very well what you are doing by posting a striped thread here, it's one hundred thousand % bait. really think about it here: /mlpol/; 2025; reason with it for a bit. take into account the fact that that specific thread was the fastest on the board and by a long shot, and it becomes very clear that it is, in fact, disruptive.
>"it's just a weird pony fetish"
it is a weird pony fetish, but it isn't 'just' that, a lyra vore thread would die after 27 posts, a fluttershy inflation thread would suffer the same fate, it's very clear that a "striped thread" filled with what that thread was filled (and ignore the falseflagging) is a clear de facto violation of the spirit of the old rule 5 and a both de facto and de jure violation of the old rule 6.

on the whole, this last point also applies to furshit, if a fur thread is made, here, in the home of the mare fair pilgrims, it is a sure bait thread, I beg you to just see and receive reason. yeah, context matters ofc, an op openly engaging in discussion about "up to what point does 'X' actually parallels to striped and zebras, where do you draw the line?" and "where is the uncanny valley of the g4 pony to irl axis? would picrel furry be in the gradient?" should absolutely have a place, but a simple "striped thread." op knows very well that it is just disruptive, please read the above paragraph again for counter examples

once again, no hard feelings for either, I can just ignore the porn in the cozy threads, I can just call the striped op a nigger and then hide the thread, I can just tell the furryposter to an hero and not be bothered, it isn't a real issue and any anon making a big fuss about it is a bitchy faggot. to address the points raised here would just be general quality of life improvements

but really, most anons are complaining with their bellies full, the imageboard is great and the admins are doing a splendid job, the quality (for an "alt-chan") here is insane, I never posted here much since 2020 but I'm loving to lurk /poner/, such a fun board, so thanks to the mods for the work done up to now

also I'm Lotus samefagging

btw I'm trans if that matters
Anonymous
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No.9705
>>9701
>common courtesy
This. It doesn't matter how well we try to make th rules set to account for bad actors, they're going to try and be assholes regardless of the rules and there's rules in place that address it.
>>9704
>simply giving out b& without context is sure approach for disaster
Well
>you know very well what you are doing by posting a striped thread here
My next point. If you catch a ban and you don't know why (I didn't say agree, I said know) you're either an idiot or being disingenuous
>this last point also applies to furshit
Also agreed. I like to make a game of flaunting that I'm a furry, but seriously there needs to be a harder stance on furshit or it will be exploited. Does this go back to the earlier point of "trying to plan for what assholes will do", but AS A FURRY, the site needs to be unambiguous about furries; IDC if it's SFW or NSFW
Anonymous
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No.9706
>>9701
Completely agreed on all fronts.
Lotus
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>>9613
It's a good idea to have a board where you can scroll in public with the worst danger being getting odd looks rather than being charged with breaking obscenity laws. The downside is that even if OP has to be SFW, the last several replies that show up as you scroll past might be NSFW.
Anonymous
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No.9708
>>9707
Ergo:
Mlpol as the acceptable redboard.
SP as the 'unacceptable' redboard.
Vx as needed (shush)
Anonymous
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No.9709
9711
Seriously you don't understand. Furries will if you don't stop them.
Anonymous
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No.9710
>>9707
It sounds like what you actually want is a "Disable Images" toggle or "Spoiler All Images" toggle.
Anonymous
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No.9711
>>9709
Furries have long been persecuted across the imageboards AND FOR GOOD REASON! Even old /b/ hated fur fags and it wasn't because /b/ of all places gave a shit about the weird fetishes. No furries have to make everything about being a fucking furry. If they are allowed here. They will make this place furfagchan.
Anonymous
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No.9712
>>9707
It shouldn't be anyone's problem, but the browsing anon's. I don't see why the staff or anons should cater to them. If you are browsing an NSFW board outside the comfort of your home, then it should be assumed you know what you are doing.
Anonymous
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>>9502
Qanon was also a pretty successful psyop and spreads in a similar method. Every bit as successful as operation trust.
Anonymous
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>>9736
There's nothing wrong with Qt Framework
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Now that we have a thread watcher I'd like to revisit this for the admins to take into the account things being forced around the site are generally intended to demoralize and degenerate the alt chans and have closer ties to /trash/ an otherwise alien board culture to both /mlp/ and /mlpol/, and If /poner/ is to serve as a refugee board it's losing the long moral game to general distaste and unease, despite being the best to use from a technical pov.

>Overnight spam of striped, followed by rage baiting mods of striped thread, and out of containments, >>>/poner/3631 →
Review the information here. >>>/mlpol/386855 → and you can see that the striped spam is being posted at the same time as bbc spam on other imageboards which now includes nhnb.
<Zoospam
Shortlived but in the humanized thread >>>/poner/298 →. Did not turn to spam wars like striped, but could have. Purpose was just demoralizing people who like humanized pony.
<Dogpussy
In a thread discussing pony porn, already discussed but just following the trends even if it was short lived bait it had no place in the thread.
<Futaspam in teamfortress
Maybe considered normal as an outlier, they do have a reputation of being huge faggots., but has also posted cockvore
<Stray futa threads
Nothing to talk about and was just empty bumped. this is a slide thread on a slow board.
<Blob thread made after another futa thread
The filenames like 'twishart' again show it looks to be just a slide/troll thread.
</lgbt/ and futaspam in the ai general >>>>7155 →
This was never a thing on /mlp/, even when sfw was only allowed flagfags were very absent. Spam demoralization.
<Anthro being posted outside of the anthro thread, in pony dominant threads
Trolls understand that anthro is considered a gateway to further degeneracy and combine factors to

Proposed solution
Rotational spam is a common shilling tactic, extreme degeneracy is the current shillplay book to dilute imageboard culture like on 8moe.
Some enforced containment threads are needed to crackdown on trolls and shills that can cycle through content that 'ownes the chuds'.
>Zoo - like moe does it. Most /mlp/ does not want to see or talk about irl bestality
>Mareflares - already a thing but futaspam is being posted outside of it.
>Trash - keep the future of fringe fictional degen stuff here, like scat, blob, hyper, striped
>Anthro - self explanatory.