Cuz every bread gets stale if left for a day or so, so I has to bake a new bread. Not complaining, but dammit. Damn the nuts.
Last tine the party acquired a Black Dragon, which some have misgivings about, especially considering the Bolshevik massacre that happened a few days before.
At the same time,... not much else is happening, but the previous thread got crashy (at least on my device) so here's a new one. On less related news Ebin is back in /sg/ and GRDF15 has shown up again, who GM hopes might at least be the enemy of mine enemy. I'm not holding my breath, but friendship is magic no? Meanwhile, back to the Game, where a bunch of inter-character dialogues are happening. Infernius and Thez had a moment, while Taylor seems primed for >rape of Torcuil and whoever else she decides is a suitable rape-target. Norfilly is still super-cute and not around (cuz it would taint her appeal), Sad Alex is still a Sad Alex statue, Yak Lee is still getting beaten about @ the Figt Club, and anyone else I haven't metioned is probably doing their thing; right now, in front of everyone.
If you're new, you picked the WRONG thread, but please stick around. Otherwise you know what it do, so lets continue before GM's head explodes?
/vx/ - Videogames and Paranormal
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>>29734
Hmmm... I will admit "kill Thez" was on my character's to-do list for a while, and I had to hold him off with the excuse "she's too big" and "she's pretty helpful some of the time." Then when the Golden Lady removed the devilish elements, I figured that the original justification for a hostile attitude - the evil outsider elements - had vanished, so that could be buried and Trumpaladin could try to be even friendly. Besides, the focus of "kill x party member" had gravitated towards Tracy, Tracy, and, well, Tracy.
But if you want to have fun with Thez... I'll think about it
>>29735
Oh come on man
Hmmm... I will admit "kill Thez" was on my character's to-do list for a while, and I had to hold him off with the excuse "she's too big" and "she's pretty helpful some of the time." Then when the Golden Lady removed the devilish elements, I figured that the original justification for a hostile attitude - the evil outsider elements - had vanished, so that could be buried and Trumpaladin could try to be even friendly. Besides, the focus of "kill x party member" had gravitated towards Tracy, Tracy, and, well, Tracy.
But if you want to have fun with Thez... I'll think about it
>>29735
Oh come on man
>>29065
Okay, I feel like this "meta-gaming control" thing requires a much more in depth response than I ever gave it.
First of all, it's just impossible to not meta-game, and there is no way around that fact. For every single in-game post of action or dialogue, these threads have about 4 posts worth of meta talk or action or speculation. An obscenely large amount of information is spread through posts. By contrast, our in game characters never talk to each other. Thez and Inferius never told Trumpaladin or Tracy about their wedding. Tracy and Trumpaladin never told Torcuil or Inferius about their engagement. Nothing was told to Trumpaladin about Durpistan, except possibly a single remark by Tracy. I also want to point out that for some reason you insist on playing a character who absolutely refuses to tell any information to any other character, even when its transmission is essential to the progression of the plot and there is no reason at all for her not to do so. Think of the initial mention of Durpistan.
Second, you just can't un-know information from meta knowledge and separate it from player knowledge. That is not how the human mind works. Why was your characer (or mine, for that matter) in Durpistan? "To see the dragon," you'd say. But that's just wrong. Your character was never told that Torcuil was going to Durpistan, nor was mine. They were told he and the dragon were going to the sea, and then on the way (after GM suggested it) they went to durpistan. You can try to make up some bullshit about "oh well this was communicated before they left the bog" but this is nothing other than a post hoc justification for the fact that meta-knowledge is seeping through. likewise, I was pressured into "releasing a pigeon" because Infernius's faggot wanted to get into action before it disappeared, and he rushed through a conversation with Thez for the same purpose. And I can go on and on, but the simple fact is that to perfectly separate player-knowledge from character knowledge in a game like this where so much is said between players but characters refuse to talk to each other, requires a continual act of Orwellian Double-Think that is just not humanly possible.
Thirdly, keeping characters "oblivious" to the actions of another doesn't make the problem go away, it just replaces actual knowledge with the Suspicion and Paranoia Game. And that's a hell of a lot worse for Tracy, because I have to let my character's paranoia and suspicion judge Tracy instead of actual knowledge. Instead of Judging Tracy on what she actually does, I have to make Trumpaladin constantly suspicious of her actions, and extrapolate that what she does in front of him is a much better version of what she does away from him, and that what he finds out about is just a tiny portion of what she is actually doing. So every time she gets caught doing anything bad I have to penalize her five times over for it. In fact, I have to penalize her every-time she does something entirely within what is acceptable, but she does it in front of Trumpaladin and does it in a way that is improper. For example, she did nothing, or fairly little wrong during the Kefka fight and Golden Lady sequence, but I had to Penalize Tracy for her behavior there, because she was so monstrous that it suggested that it was just an astonishing coincidence that she chose an asshole victim, and she'd do the same or worse when he wasn't looking. If you'd let there be some degree of reasonable trust then there would be no difficulty in not penalizing her for being a complete monster to victims who had it coming. Instead, you want to play the "I'll do what I can get away with" game, and I have to make up for your playing style by making Trumpaladin paranoid and mistrustful, and automatically assuming the worst when it comes to Tracy's behavior - which means she tends to be worse off with regards to relations with him than if he actually knew what she was doing.
And I was content to play the mistrust game. It had the result that Trumpaladin was never going to propose to Tracy because he was never going to trust her, and they'd be stuck in an infinite limbo of fighting and breaking up and getting back together and attempted murder, but was what the logic of my character in the circumstances necessitated. I meant what I said when I said he'd marry her the day after he trusted her, and you had no intention of playing a character who could be trusted -like a dog that eats food off the table the moment the master is out of view - and so there could never be peace nor progress. But then you forced my hand (understandably under the circumstances) in giving a proposal. And GM, Torcuil, and maybe you were all growing very impatient that there was fighting but no progress, so I decided to take a leap of faith, and figured that if the behavior of the two weeks before that was extrapolated she'd be entirely within the realm of tolerability, so good enough.
And I'm sorry, but that particular circumstance was not one that would have gone unnoticed by character knowledge. He asked "why are you in durpistan, do you have evil intentions involving a dragon and corpses?" and she hung up on him. He tried twice more, with no response. The only conclusion a reasonable person could draw from that is that she is avoiding answering the question "do you have evil intentions concerning a dragon or corpses" because she does in fact have evil intentions. True, at the time I thought it was more likely she was going to raise an army of undead than eat the things, but the fact remains that he figures out that she's doing things he doesn't approve of. And of course, he does things she doesn't approve of in response. It's problematic because anthropophagy, like adultery, is a sin of purity. Once contaminated, the contamination is there, and does not go away. It cannot be undone, and can't quite be forgiven since it is a crime against one's own body and not another person. It's not like killing horses, where forgiveness is easy enough. So the whole situation is back to zero with little chance of progressing. And the marriage is fucked before it begins, the proposal is over, and why do you do this shit.\r
Okay, I feel like this "meta-gaming control" thing requires a much more in depth response than I ever gave it.
First of all, it's just impossible to not meta-game, and there is no way around that fact. For every single in-game post of action or dialogue, these threads have about 4 posts worth of meta talk or action or speculation. An obscenely large amount of information is spread through posts. By contrast, our in game characters never talk to each other. Thez and Inferius never told Trumpaladin or Tracy about their wedding. Tracy and Trumpaladin never told Torcuil or Inferius about their engagement. Nothing was told to Trumpaladin about Durpistan, except possibly a single remark by Tracy. I also want to point out that for some reason you insist on playing a character who absolutely refuses to tell any information to any other character, even when its transmission is essential to the progression of the plot and there is no reason at all for her not to do so. Think of the initial mention of Durpistan.
Second, you just can't un-know information from meta knowledge and separate it from player knowledge. That is not how the human mind works. Why was your characer (or mine, for that matter) in Durpistan? "To see the dragon," you'd say. But that's just wrong. Your character was never told that Torcuil was going to Durpistan, nor was mine. They were told he and the dragon were going to the sea, and then on the way (after GM suggested it) they went to durpistan. You can try to make up some bullshit about "oh well this was communicated before they left the bog" but this is nothing other than a post hoc justification for the fact that meta-knowledge is seeping through. likewise, I was pressured into "releasing a pigeon" because Infernius's faggot wanted to get into action before it disappeared, and he rushed through a conversation with Thez for the same purpose. And I can go on and on, but the simple fact is that to perfectly separate player-knowledge from character knowledge in a game like this where so much is said between players but characters refuse to talk to each other, requires a continual act of Orwellian Double-Think that is just not humanly possible.
Thirdly, keeping characters "oblivious" to the actions of another doesn't make the problem go away, it just replaces actual knowledge with the Suspicion and Paranoia Game. And that's a hell of a lot worse for Tracy, because I have to let my character's paranoia and suspicion judge Tracy instead of actual knowledge. Instead of Judging Tracy on what she actually does, I have to make Trumpaladin constantly suspicious of her actions, and extrapolate that what she does in front of him is a much better version of what she does away from him, and that what he finds out about is just a tiny portion of what she is actually doing. So every time she gets caught doing anything bad I have to penalize her five times over for it. In fact, I have to penalize her every-time she does something entirely within what is acceptable, but she does it in front of Trumpaladin and does it in a way that is improper. For example, she did nothing, or fairly little wrong during the Kefka fight and Golden Lady sequence, but I had to Penalize Tracy for her behavior there, because she was so monstrous that it suggested that it was just an astonishing coincidence that she chose an asshole victim, and she'd do the same or worse when he wasn't looking. If you'd let there be some degree of reasonable trust then there would be no difficulty in not penalizing her for being a complete monster to victims who had it coming. Instead, you want to play the "I'll do what I can get away with" game, and I have to make up for your playing style by making Trumpaladin paranoid and mistrustful, and automatically assuming the worst when it comes to Tracy's behavior - which means she tends to be worse off with regards to relations with him than if he actually knew what she was doing.
And I was content to play the mistrust game. It had the result that Trumpaladin was never going to propose to Tracy because he was never going to trust her, and they'd be stuck in an infinite limbo of fighting and breaking up and getting back together and attempted murder, but was what the logic of my character in the circumstances necessitated. I meant what I said when I said he'd marry her the day after he trusted her, and you had no intention of playing a character who could be trusted -like a dog that eats food off the table the moment the master is out of view - and so there could never be peace nor progress. But then you forced my hand (understandably under the circumstances) in giving a proposal. And GM, Torcuil, and maybe you were all growing very impatient that there was fighting but no progress, so I decided to take a leap of faith, and figured that if the behavior of the two weeks before that was extrapolated she'd be entirely within the realm of tolerability, so good enough.
And I'm sorry, but that particular circumstance was not one that would have gone unnoticed by character knowledge. He asked "why are you in durpistan, do you have evil intentions involving a dragon and corpses?" and she hung up on him. He tried twice more, with no response. The only conclusion a reasonable person could draw from that is that she is avoiding answering the question "do you have evil intentions concerning a dragon or corpses" because she does in fact have evil intentions. True, at the time I thought it was more likely she was going to raise an army of undead than eat the things, but the fact remains that he figures out that she's doing things he doesn't approve of. And of course, he does things she doesn't approve of in response. It's problematic because anthropophagy, like adultery, is a sin of purity. Once contaminated, the contamination is there, and does not go away. It cannot be undone, and can't quite be forgiven since it is a crime against one's own body and not another person. It's not like killing horses, where forgiveness is easy enough. So the whole situation is back to zero with little chance of progressing. And the marriage is fucked before it begins, the proposal is over, and why do you do this shit.\r
>>29732
I am all but certain it was mentioned, way back after Soros 1.
>>29741
This, actually. I do try to and hope to make distinction toward/against excessive meta, but as you state its unavoidable in this context. Since - unless posts are deleted - there's a record of everything, and since - for brevity - OOC summaries and references are common, a large degree of meta gaming is inevitable esp. given that conversations between characters (or rather players) are often not even going on at the same time (posts being read minutes or hours later).
>>29742
Don't get caught in the crossfire, she's fighting for 2 now and she doesn't regenerate.
I am all but certain it was mentioned, way back after Soros 1.
>>29741
This, actually. I do try to and hope to make distinction toward/against excessive meta, but as you state its unavoidable in this context. Since - unless posts are deleted - there's a record of everything, and since - for brevity - OOC summaries and references are common, a large degree of meta gaming is inevitable esp. given that conversations between characters (or rather players) are often not even going on at the same time (posts being read minutes or hours later).
>>29742
Don't get caught in the crossfire, she's fighting for 2 now and she doesn't regenerate.
>>29744
And she will, but her strategy has changed; no more dismissively acting badass and nigh-invulnerable, but cold, exacting precision.
In relation to the previous meta-comments, this is a dialogue that could be said to happen in character, and it could be (re)worded so to accomplish that, but in this case both players had established the characters involved (Infernius and Thez) and their general interactions that both characters can readily imagine the dialoge if not word-for-word, but still accurately and authentically.
And she will, but her strategy has changed; no more dismissively acting badass and nigh-invulnerable, but cold, exacting precision.
In relation to the previous meta-comments, this is a dialogue that could be said to happen in character, and it could be (re)worded so to accomplish that, but in this case both players had established the characters involved (Infernius and Thez) and their general interactions that both characters can readily imagine the dialoge if not word-for-word, but still accurately and authentically.
>>29746
She lost most of her energy resistence (except fire, but that was reduced), she lost most of her damage reduction (she still has some tho) and she lost the ability to cast energy-resistance spells. And no regeneration. Yeah, she won't fight him on that.
She lost most of her energy resistence (except fire, but that was reduced), she lost most of her damage reduction (she still has some tho) and she lost the ability to cast energy-resistance spells. And no regeneration. Yeah, she won't fight him on that.
... oh and her natural armor
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So, how big exactly was Soros's severed arm? If it wasn't clear already, I've got a hand-collecting motif going on. I only collected the blood that first time, but I still want to do something with the rest of it.
>>29753
Aww.. I was hoping to make another hand-necklace, like with Kefka.
It could make for some epic Abyssal/Demon armor though, whenever we find someone skilled enough to craft it... Until then, it'll just stay in her closet.
Lucky it was cut off too, since Balors explode when they are kill.
Aww.. I was hoping to make another hand-necklace, like with Kefka.
It could make for some epic Abyssal/Demon armor though, whenever we find someone skilled enough to craft it... Until then, it'll just stay in her closet.
Lucky it was cut off too, since Balors explode when they are kill.
>>29756
Yes, yes they do. There's plenty of material, both for demon armor (not a complete set, more like piecemail) and for an amulet of natural armor.
>>29757
e_e I hope you're not laboring under the delusion that Infernius is going to enjoy the frivilous sex life they have had now that she's pregnant. Ever seen how dogs get when they're carrying?
Yes, yes they do. There's plenty of material, both for demon armor (not a complete set, more like piecemail) and for an amulet of natural armor.
>>29757
e_e I hope you're not laboring under the delusion that Infernius is going to enjoy the frivilous sex life they have had now that she's pregnant. Ever seen how dogs get when they're carrying?
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>>29758
theres definitely a cut off date and infernuis wants to get in as much love as possible before then.
theres definitely a cut off date and infernuis wants to get in as much love as possible before then.
>>29764
Fogive my complete ignorance my friend, for I am not up to date on certain things:
What the fucking hell ks 'murdoch murdoch'?
Fogive my complete ignorance my friend, for I am not up to date on certain things:
What the fucking hell ks 'murdoch murdoch'?
>>29758
>Ever seen how dogs get when they're carrying?
Reeeeeeeee! Why does everyone keep referencing animal behaviors that can only really be known through personal contact? I have spent the last seven years between dorm rooms and apartments with no animals. Before that I have only had experience with a few pet dogs. I've never seen pregnant dogs. I've never been hunting, let alone boar hunting. I have never been around hamsters, let alone inbred hamsters. I know nothing about animals from first hand experience except minor observations of dogs. Everything I know is from second hand sources, and generally not from people who have done these things.
>Ever seen how dogs get when they're carrying?
Reeeeeeeee! Why does everyone keep referencing animal behaviors that can only really be known through personal contact? I have spent the last seven years between dorm rooms and apartments with no animals. Before that I have only had experience with a few pet dogs. I've never seen pregnant dogs. I've never been hunting, let alone boar hunting. I have never been around hamsters, let alone inbred hamsters. I know nothing about animals from first hand experience except minor observations of dogs. Everything I know is from second hand sources, and generally not from people who have done these things.
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>>29771
Did you even read my post? I was talking about analogies to patterns of behavior. Not what a thing looks like
Did you even read my post? I was talking about analogies to patterns of behavior. Not what a thing looks like
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>>29769
>He didn't grow up on a farm and acquire Ranger-tier understanding of animal behavior by raising various creatures from birth
Rural master-race.
>He didn't grow up on a farm and acquire Ranger-tier understanding of animal behavior by raising various creatures from birth
Rural master-race.
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>>29778
heres an item i think you might like.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/a-b/blindfold-swordmaster-s
heres an item i think you might like.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/a-b/blindfold-swordmaster-s
>>29783
its from a separate RPG called pathfinder(pathfinder is based off dnd 3.5). gm let sad alex pick a class from there so i dont think he would mind letting us make these.
its from a separate RPG called pathfinder(pathfinder is based off dnd 3.5). gm let sad alex pick a class from there so i dont think he would mind letting us make these.
>>29785
Does craft work the same way? I saw some separate requirements for item creation, and a lot more of them (including cursed items).
Does craft work the same way? I saw some separate requirements for item creation, and a lot more of them (including cursed items).
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