/vx/ - Videogames and Paranormal

Alright, I know I'm playing an ebil character, so it's not really my place to be critical, but am I the only one who thinks that venturing into a sentient creature's sovereign territory, of whom you have not yet met and has not harmed you, with the intent of killing it for personal gain, doesn't count as Good or Lawful? Even if it's an ebil creature, doesn't that violate the NAP?

>>29688
im not an ancap. am natsoc.

am sleep dont go dragon hunting without me trump.

>>29689
Yeah, but Nazis still respect national property rights, don't they? A dragon's mountain counts as the property/territory of itself and its family, doesn't it?
Idk, something just gets me about venturing onto someone else's property to kill them for their treasure/money/skin...
I won't stop you if that's what you really want to do though. My character's ebil anyway, so she doesn't give a fuck.

>>29691
>national property right
national borders and property rights*

>>29688
First off, this is the reason I don't want more than Inferius and I. Because the rest of you are prone to engage in petty democrat-grade moralizing that will just kill the action.

Second, have you ever read Hobbes's Leviathan? Or Locke's Second Treatise on Government? The essence of the "NAP," or natural law, is "I'd rather not get murdered, so let's all agree not to murder one another, unless we think they will murder us first." It's a tacit covanent not to attack when it's in your interest. Chaotic evil entities, by definition, do not keep covanents of non-violence. If they did, they'd have an alignment besides chaotic evil. They'd be lawful or neutral or something. Red dragons will venture outside of their ranges and are generally a threat

>>29688
This
>>29687
Me irl
>>29677
>thumb up ass
Who's ass?
>includes Torc
Ouch, that hurt

What did thez want?
>>29560
Kek
>>29558
Ill regret this, BUT find one of Torc

>>29694
>What did Thez want?
She was looking for her items, apparently.

>>29696
Troc doesn't have them

>>29688
>>29691
>>29695
>>29694
Look, I came into this game intending to play a General Ripper character who obsessively fears and tries to destroy whereever even remotely reasonable certain evil entities. Initially, this was all evil outsider creatures, but is sort of expanded to all creatures that between lawful and good haven't picked one. The Durpistan affair has kind of shaken me, but I never intended and still do not intend to play a character who will be more sympathetic to a criminal than the criminal's victims. So I'm'a go out and find a dragon of evil alignment and make a wedding present out of its corpse.
\r

>>29562
The belt, yes. She knows that, the belt (girdle) she's talking about was among the things Infernius dropped off with TOrcuil when he was having a hissy fit.
>>29563
No, well, sorta.
>>29589
Are you kidding? We won't run out, though I will have increasing difficulty over time A. remembering it all, and B. making each area unique.
>>29596
Exactly how many items is Tracy working on right now?
>>29628
I'll probably work them in at some point
>>29644
THAT'S some cruel poetry!
>>29646
"Please save the demon scales for me k?"
>>29653
Yeah, it wouldn't be a D&D campaign without a Great Wyrm Red Dragon
>>29679
Wait, "rescue Torcuil?" Did I miss something?
>>29697
He was GIVEN them, back when Infernius was going to run off and an hero cuz Thez had her way with Trump.

>>29698
Alright. I respect that.
I'm just feeling preachy today for some godawful reason.

>>29699
OH HIS SHIT
"Its at my cave, you can come with with me to pick it up"

>>29699
>rescue
News to me too

>>29699
> save the demon scales
Thez would look pretty badass with a jet-black, clawed gauntlet, desu.
>how mant items
.... a lot... Give me a moment to list..
>Did I miss something?
Just more >rape jokes about Torc being kidnapped by a Silver Slut.

>>29703
Rude bastards

>>29701
"Thank you. I can't use the sleeves anymore, but I will need the girdle, and whatever else he left with you."
>>29703
Well, that would work too, but meta she wants to make an amulet of natural armor.
>list
All at the same time?

>>29703
Items:
>Belt of Giant's Strength
>Guantlets of Ogre Power
>Mace of Blood (Wanted to make it into a Mace of Terror if possible, after enough time... next year..)
>Berserk Sword (very little progress on it though)
>Cloak of Charisma (already completed, but being made better over time)
>A Mask of Disguise and a bag of Darkness-enchanted kunai for Ponimaru as a gift (I've been counting every day she didn't cast a second-level spell)
>Shatterspike
>several low-level daggers
>Ring of Animal friendship (whenever I can get the scrolls for it, and then wait another month...)
Phalactery of Faithfullness (would only take one day, but need Infernius to enchant it
Yeah... I guess I'm overstepping my bounds here...

>>29706
Forgot the:
>Circlet of Persuasion
..Haha....

>>29705
"Okay, lets go."
Torc teleports to his cave and grabs the stuff to hand to Thez. By the way, you know more about this world than me. Is there anyon earound that could teach me some...
Um...
Nature skills, thats what I wanted to say."

>>29708
>Nature skills
Ask Trollestia.
Learn to properly chew your cud.

>>29707
*polishes Helmet*

>>29706
My only issue is that you're only allowed to make or have one item to work on at a time.
>>29708
"Uhm,... I don't know much about nature, and everyone I did know is long since passed. Hmmmm. What kinda nature? Are we talking druid nature, or elven nature,... "call of nature" perhaps?"

>>29711
Define "at a time"

>>29711
"Definatly not call of nature. Umm, how the hell do I describe it....
I guess druid would be closest"
Would ranger be closest to druid or?
>>29712
What is time?

>>29713
Ranger is about closest to druid, relatively that is.

>>29714
I figured

>>29712
I mean, Ah heh hem:
>TO create magic items, spellcasters use special feats. They invest time, money, and their own personal energgy (in the form of experience points oh yeah, surprise) in an item's creation. [...]
Magic supplies for items are always half of the base price in gp and 1/25 the price in XP. For many items the market value equals the base price, except GM is an asshole. For example, a cloak of elvenkind has a market price (and base price) of 2,500gp. Making one costs 1250gp in raw materials plus 100 XP.
[...]
The caster works 8 hours each day. They cannot rush the process by working longer each day (NO OVERTIME). But the days need not be consecutive, and the caster can use the rest of their time as they see fit. A character who takes a break from item creation to murder should keep track of how many days of work remain on that item.

Oh you're gonna love this next bit..

>[i]A character can work on only one item at a time. If a character starts work on a new item, all materials used and XP spent on the under-construction items are wasted./i]
The secrets of creating artifacts are long lost.

However, these rules don't account for autism, so I've refined it a bit.

I'll let you work on one item per day. You can be working on as many items as you want, but each day can only be put to one thing,

>>29716
Okay. I've got it now.

>>29713
"Give me an archetype. Are we talking Yoda, or are we talking Qui-Gon? Do you mean the peace of nature or do you mean the wrath? Druids aren't exactly hippies."
>>29717
I'll allow that you are working on them all, and have some development of each. But yeah, without haxx making items is supposed to be a slower process according to the rules. But don't worry, this is mixed nuts.

Plan B: Kill anyone I can and/or steal their shit.

>>29718
"Uh, can I get back to you on that.
But probaly Qui-Gon..
Ah now I remember the word, Ranger. You framilier?"
>>29719
Plz no kill Torc

>>29719
I am disappoint that Tracy hasn't used Korak's pimp-cane btw. With a flick and a tap, it changes from gentlemen's cane to a schiavonna (I said it was a basket-hilt scottish claymore, but those were the old notes. I've located the correctly developed ones in the interim)
When in "sword" form, the whole of it looks like a glass sculpture, excepting the central handle lined with braided wire.
>pic related except glass-steel for the hand-guard, and a gorgeous wavy damascus pattern like this motherfucker does on the blade: https://youtu.be/RxPMUbCmYZ8 (skip to 8:55)
You guys should investigate your equipment sometimes. Some of it is uber in ways. Ever since.

>>29720
>ranger
"Yeah, what about it? What do you want to know?"

>>29721
Beautiful. I've got it as her primary weapon.
I only ever wanted to make that Berserk Sword so she could keep ranging endlessly should come some dramatic scene where they had to hold off an entire army. Also, edginess: I love cursed items. I think I'll just give up on it for now though.

>>29723
>that description
Oh, it'll happen. Don't you worry. XDDDDD

>>29722
"Do you know anyone who could teach that shit to me?"
>>29721
Lets see, remind me of anything I forget.
>earcuff of blinking
>shield bracer thing
>rod that can move metal
>meta staff
>staff of ultimate power
>magic artillery lugers (how do those work again?)
>meme tome
>ring of jumping
>viagra dagger
Side note, who said it was stupid for Torc to have a dagger? I have words for them
>snek staff
Did I miss anything?

>>29725
>who said it was stupid for Torc to have a dagger
I don't think anyone ever said that. Wizards are proficient in daggers.

>>29726
But someone called it stupid cause he has 2 guns and magic...

>>29727
Idk who said that. but there's nothing wrong with having moar weaponz.

>>29725
You missed two that I know of.
First, the Ring of CLIMBING and jumping is "the fuzzy spooder ring"
You forgot the boots of striding and springing. No bully, she stole them from Torcuil without him noticing. For two there was a ring of protection +3 IIRC, which he would still have.

>>29729
>fuzzy spooder ring
I am pleased by this.
So, who took the fucking boots?
that cunt is gettin rekt.

>>29730
>who took the fucking boots?
Thez did.
>that cunt is gettin rekt
Careful, m8...

>>29731
>Thez did
Aww fuk,
wait. When? I didn't know Torc ever even had these.
>Careful m8
She ain't the devil no more

>>29732
>She ain't the devil no more
Well, she doesn't look like one...

>>29733
She ain't got the powers of one either

>>29732
>>29730
ill rek you m9.

>>29729
hey gm you still around?

>>29721
What is the size of Vanderiem? Medium or large?

>>29738
I think Bastard swords are large, but idk.
You also have that Shatterspike, fyi.

>>29734
Hmmm... I will admit "kill Thez" was on my character's to-do list for a while, and I had to hold him off with the excuse "she's too big" and "she's pretty helpful some of the time." Then when the Golden Lady removed the devilish elements, I figured that the original justification for a hostile attitude - the evil outsider elements - had vanished, so that could be buried and Trumpaladin could try to be even friendly. Besides, the focus of "kill x party member" had gravitated towards Tracy, Tracy, and, well, Tracy.

But if you want to have fun with Thez... I'll think about it
>>29735
Oh come on man

>>29065
Okay, I feel like this "meta-gaming control" thing requires a much more in depth response than I ever gave it.

First of all, it's just impossible to not meta-game, and there is no way around that fact. For every single in-game post of action or dialogue, these threads have about 4 posts worth of meta talk or action or speculation. An obscenely large amount of information is spread through posts. By contrast, our in game characters never talk to each other. Thez and Inferius never told Trumpaladin or Tracy about their wedding. Tracy and Trumpaladin never told Torcuil or Inferius about their engagement. Nothing was told to Trumpaladin about Durpistan, except possibly a single remark by Tracy. I also want to point out that for some reason you insist on playing a character who absolutely refuses to tell any information to any other character, even when its transmission is essential to the progression of the plot and there is no reason at all for her not to do so. Think of the initial mention of Durpistan.

Second, you just can't un-know information from meta knowledge and separate it from player knowledge. That is not how the human mind works. Why was your characer (or mine, for that matter) in Durpistan? "To see the dragon," you'd say. But that's just wrong. Your character was never told that Torcuil was going to Durpistan, nor was mine. They were told he and the dragon were going to the sea, and then on the way (after GM suggested it) they went to durpistan. You can try to make up some bullshit about "oh well this was communicated before they left the bog" but this is nothing other than a post hoc justification for the fact that meta-knowledge is seeping through. likewise, I was pressured into "releasing a pigeon" because Infernius's faggot wanted to get into action before it disappeared, and he rushed through a conversation with Thez for the same purpose. And I can go on and on, but the simple fact is that to perfectly separate player-knowledge from character knowledge in a game like this where so much is said between players but characters refuse to talk to each other, requires a continual act of Orwellian Double-Think that is just not humanly possible.

Thirdly, keeping characters "oblivious" to the actions of another doesn't make the problem go away, it just replaces actual knowledge with the Suspicion and Paranoia Game. And that's a hell of a lot worse for Tracy, because I have to let my character's paranoia and suspicion judge Tracy instead of actual knowledge. Instead of Judging Tracy on what she actually does, I have to make Trumpaladin constantly suspicious of her actions, and extrapolate that what she does in front of him is a much better version of what she does away from him, and that what he finds out about is just a tiny portion of what she is actually doing. So every time she gets caught doing anything bad I have to penalize her five times over for it. In fact, I have to penalize her every-time she does something entirely within what is acceptable, but she does it in front of Trumpaladin and does it in a way that is improper. For example, she did nothing, or fairly little wrong during the Kefka fight and Golden Lady sequence, but I had to Penalize Tracy for her behavior there, because she was so monstrous that it suggested that it was just an astonishing coincidence that she chose an asshole victim, and she'd do the same or worse when he wasn't looking. If you'd let there be some degree of reasonable trust then there would be no difficulty in not penalizing her for being a complete monster to victims who had it coming. Instead, you want to play the "I'll do what I can get away with" game, and I have to make up for your playing style by making Trumpaladin paranoid and mistrustful, and automatically assuming the worst when it comes to Tracy's behavior - which means she tends to be worse off with regards to relations with him than if he actually knew what she was doing.

And I was content to play the mistrust game. It had the result that Trumpaladin was never going to propose to Tracy because he was never going to trust her, and they'd be stuck in an infinite limbo of fighting and breaking up and getting back together and attempted murder, but was what the logic of my character in the circumstances necessitated. I meant what I said when I said he'd marry her the day after he trusted her, and you had no intention of playing a character who could be trusted -like a dog that eats food off the table the moment the master is out of view - and so there could never be peace nor progress. But then you forced my hand (understandably under the circumstances) in giving a proposal. And GM, Torcuil, and maybe you were all growing very impatient that there was fighting but no progress, so I decided to take a leap of faith, and figured that if the behavior of the two weeks before that was extrapolated she'd be entirely within the realm of tolerability, so good enough.

And I'm sorry, but that particular circumstance was not one that would have gone unnoticed by character knowledge. He asked "why are you in durpistan, do you have evil intentions involving a dragon and corpses?" and she hung up on him. He tried twice more, with no response. The only conclusion a reasonable person could draw from that is that she is avoiding answering the question "do you have evil intentions concerning a dragon or corpses" because she does in fact have evil intentions. True, at the time I thought it was more likely she was going to raise an army of undead than eat the things, but the fact remains that he figures out that she's doing things he doesn't approve of. And of course, he does things she doesn't approve of in response. It's problematic because anthropophagy, like adultery, is a sin of purity. Once contaminated, the contamination is there, and does not go away. It cannot be undone, and can't quite be forgiven since it is a crime against one's own body and not another person. It's not like killing horses, where forgiveness is easy enough. So the whole situation is back to zero with little chance of progressing. And the marriage is fucked before it begins, the proposal is over, and why do you do this shit.\r

>>29740
i have to defend le waifu.

>>29732
I am all but certain it was mentioned, way back after Soros 1.
>>29741
This, actually. I do try to and hope to make distinction toward/against excessive meta, but as you state its unavoidable in this context. Since - unless posts are deleted - there's a record of everything, and since - for brevity - OOC summaries and references are common, a large degree of meta gaming is inevitable esp. given that conversations between characters (or rather players) are often not even going on at the same time (posts being read minutes or hours later).
>>29742
Don't get caught in the crossfire, she's fighting for 2 now and she doesn't regenerate.

>>29743
ill do the fighting if she will let me.

>>29744
And she will, but her strategy has changed; no more dismissively acting badass and nigh-invulnerable, but cold, exacting precision.
In relation to the previous meta-comments, this is a dialogue that could be said to happen in character, and it could be (re)worded so to accomplish that, but in this case both players had established the characters involved (Infernius and Thez) and their general interactions that both characters can readily imagine the dialoge if not word-for-word, but still accurately and authentically.

>>29741
you do make a good point.
>>29745
>no more dismissively acting badass and nigh-invulnerable.
thats good to hear, and if any sacrifices need to be done ill be the one to do it.

>>29746
She lost most of her energy resistence (except fire, but that was reduced), she lost most of her damage reduction (she still has some tho) and she lost the ability to cast energy-resistance spells. And no regeneration. Yeah, she won't fight him on that.

... oh and her natural armor

>>29747
can i go to the bazaar i want to buy thez some clothes.

>>29749
What kind of clothes? Pic related is the general style she's favoring now.

>>29750
i wanted to buy her a nice dress, and two cosplay outfits.

So, how big exactly was Soros's severed arm? If it wasn't clear already, I've got a hand-collecting motif going on. I only collected the blood that first time, but I still want to do something with the rest of it.

>>29752
Its bigger than you. Soros was like 40' tall at the time.
>>29751
o_o

>>29753
what?

>>29754
What kind of cosplay outfits?

>>29753
Aww.. I was hoping to make another hand-necklace, like with Kefka.
It could make for some epic Abyssal/Demon armor though, whenever we find someone skilled enough to craft it... Until then, it'll just stay in her closet.
Lucky it was cut off too, since Balors explode when they are kill.

>>29755
All of them.

>>29756
Yes, yes they do. There's plenty of material, both for demon armor (not a complete set, more like piecemail) and for an amulet of natural armor.
>>29757
e_e I hope you're not laboring under the delusion that Infernius is going to enjoy the frivilous sex life they have had now that she's pregnant. Ever seen how dogs get when they're carrying?

>>29758
>lewd stuff
Ironically, I wasn't thinking of that. I just think tasteful cosplay is fun.

>>29759
Sorry, I thought that was Infernius' reply. Statement stands tho.

>>29758
theres definitely a cut off date and infernuis wants to get in as much love as possible before then.

>>29759
>tasteful cosplay
It doesn't have to be entirely tasteful,....

Later fam

>>29740
I'm not gonna fucking kill her
>>29741
Fuck, thats a lot of text.
I guess a character conference could hppen where they talk about events and clear this shit out.
>>29761
Kek

>>29763
new murdoch murdoch episode is out, its a fucking great episode.

>>29764
Fogive my complete ignorance my friend, for I am not up to date on certain things:
What the fucking hell ks 'murdoch murdoch'?

>>29765
https://youtu.be/JHmTL5Km0cA
alt right cartoon.

>>29766
>>29764
its filled with memes and commie killing.

>>29767
oh and feels

>>29758
>Ever seen how dogs get when they're carrying?
Reeeeeeeee! Why does everyone keep referencing animal behaviors that can only really be known through personal contact? I have spent the last seven years between dorm rooms and apartments with no animals. Before that I have only had experience with a few pet dogs. I've never seen pregnant dogs. I've never been hunting, let alone boar hunting. I have never been around hamsters, let alone inbred hamsters. I know nothing about animals from first hand experience except minor observations of dogs. Everything I know is from second hand sources, and generally not from people who have done these things.

>>29768
>>29767
>>29766
I didn't know I needed this until now.
I'll have to binge tonight
>>29769
>complaining about not knowing what something looks like
>on the internet
Son, do you know what a web search is?

>>29771
heres a link to all of mm's content
https://cheekyvideos.net/

>>29771
Did you even read my post? I was talking about analogies to patterns of behavior. Not what a thing looks like

Hey Trump could you help me craft these?

>>29769
>He didn't grow up on a farm and acquire Ranger-tier understanding of animal behavior by raising various creatures from birth
Rural master-race.

>>29776
fuck yeah m8!

>>29777
Checked, farmbro.

>>29776
>>29777
Whatever, I'll bet I'm still the only person here to actually have someone deported (represent the government in a deportation proceeding before an immigration court and win), besides working on Death Penalty cases and such

>>29778
heres an item i think you might like.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/a-b/blindfold-swordmaster-s

>>29779
thats impressive desu.
>Thrackerzod

>>29779
pls
>>29775
>>29774

>>29775
>>29780
What game edition are these from?

>>29779
Impressive.

>>29783
its from a separate RPG called pathfinder(pathfinder is based off dnd 3.5). gm let sad alex pick a class from there so i dont think he would mind letting us make these.

>>29785
Does craft work the same way? I saw some separate requirements for item creation, and a lot more of them (including cursed items).

>>29786
>>29780
>>29782
I think we got a pretty clear answer from GM that item crafting is so difficult and intensive as to be generally not worth it, at least when time is such a precious resource