The rear portions of the SSRS Kostroma have been cleared. The Boiler room draws near. Still that sound persists. Calling them.
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I look away two hours....
>>196121
>To make it look cool
You chose the single most boring, lamest concieveable room on the entire ship for the battle. How is blood rain going to be visible inside of an empty cargo hold? It obviously would not. If they had been on the deck, you could see rain, you could see blood rain, you could see snakes, there would be cranes and lights and the front of the ship and it would have actually been a cool location to do cool things.
>To make it look cool
You chose the single most boring, lamest concieveable room on the entire ship for the battle. How is blood rain going to be visible inside of an empty cargo hold? It obviously would not. If they had been on the deck, you could see rain, you could see blood rain, you could see snakes, there would be cranes and lights and the front of the ship and it would have actually been a cool location to do cool things.
>>196128
I wanted to do it on the deck, but the NPCs says they didn't want to go there because it was raining...
Idk. I'm an idiot. I don't know what I'm doing.
I wanted to do it on the deck, but the NPCs says they didn't want to go there because it was raining...
Idk. I'm an idiot. I don't know what I'm doing.
Anyways, you'll get a boss battle when I get back home from Brony Scot.
>>196131
No, they just told Posey that she could not see the moon because of clouds. She can't see the moon from Cargo Hold 3 anyways
>>196131
No, they just told Posey that she could not see the moon because of clouds. She can't see the moon from Cargo Hold 3 anyways
>>196131
It's not even real rain. It's that tepid light rain you get in Ireland and Britain where you don't mind going outside
It's not even real rain. It's that tepid light rain you get in Ireland and Britain where you don't mind going outside
>>196128
I thought the cargo hold where the survivors had been sleeping would have been the most likely spot where Kira would actually succeed in calling upon Ouroboros.
I thought the cargo hold where the survivors had been sleeping would have been the most likely spot where Kira would actually succeed in calling upon Ouroboros.
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>>196133
Then I guess this was a major miscalculation and a waste of spell slots on my part. I wanted to do it above deck specifically to get him to fly down from his perch to us.
Ugh, idk why I didn't just teleport into his room to kill him myself. I'm so stupid.
>>196134
Well, it evidently isn't coming. I thought the sacrifice would increase the chance of it actually doing something, but alas.
>>196132
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>>196133
Then I guess this was a major miscalculation and a waste of spell slots on my part. I wanted to do it above deck specifically to get him to fly down from his perch to us.
Ugh, idk why I didn't just teleport into his room to kill him myself. I'm so stupid.
>>196134
Well, it evidently isn't coming. I thought the sacrifice would increase the chance of it actually doing something, but alas.
>>196131
We could have gone onto the deck. Nopony knew what you're going to do. As is, to the party it looks like nothing has happened at all except for some spooky chanting, which is all well and good. But then you woke up a prisoner and promptly killed him, which nopony was onboard with, least of all Kira. I really should have assumed the worst when you said "sacrifice."
I'm not going to react until we get this sorted out because, well, it's completely indefensible. Not the wasting of spell slots, the illusion doing nothing, etc. I mean killing a pony and forcing Kira to be a part of it. Poor girl.
We could have gone onto the deck. Nopony knew what you're going to do. As is, to the party it looks like nothing has happened at all except for some spooky chanting, which is all well and good. But then you woke up a prisoner and promptly killed him, which nopony was onboard with, least of all Kira. I really should have assumed the worst when you said "sacrifice."
I'm not going to react until we get this sorted out because, well, it's completely indefensible. Not the wasting of spell slots, the illusion doing nothing, etc. I mean killing a pony and forcing Kira to be a part of it. Poor girl.
>>196136
I only killed the prisoner because I believed that it would make Kira's plan work. I believed it because I have done it twice before. It was my last resort in case the plan failed.
I only killed the prisoner because I believed that it would make Kira's plan work. I believed it because I have done it twice before. It was my last resort in case the plan failed.
>>196136
>Nopony knew what you're going to do.
I know I did add the sacrifice thing at the end, but did I not spell out my plan before this?
>Nopony knew what you're going to do.
I know I did add the sacrifice thing at the end, but did I not spell out my plan before this?
>>196134
Technically the one further back would have been a bit better, as what you are looking for is more bulkheads between the Traveler and the petrushka, and also ignots of chromium.
Also the "free the petrushkas" thing was only maybe possible one at a time, maybe batches if you have all of them right there, and not all of them all at once from a distance.
I will say that any of the other cargo holds besides 3 would have 1. been more interesting, 2. provided more cover for a more interesting battle, and 3 would have been far more likely for Light Water to have come to because he could send petrushkas or at the very least, use cover within the cargo hold and not just instantly be gunned down
Technically the one further back would have been a bit better, as what you are looking for is more bulkheads between the Traveler and the petrushka, and also ignots of chromium.
Also the "free the petrushkas" thing was only maybe possible one at a time, maybe batches if you have all of them right there, and not all of them all at once from a distance.
I will say that any of the other cargo holds besides 3 would have 1. been more interesting, 2. provided more cover for a more interesting battle, and 3 would have been far more likely for Light Water to have come to because he could send petrushkas or at the very least, use cover within the cargo hold and not just instantly be gunned down
>>196140
Why didn't you tell us any of that before? We all together (you and us) could have come up with an amazing scene and set piece.
Why didn't you tell us any of that before? We all together (you and us) could have come up with an amazing scene and set piece.
>>196140
Legit, the way you described Cargo Hold 3 made me believe that the room was specifically meant to be an encounter arena. It's the exact size and shape as 90% of dungeon rooms were you fight one giant monster.
>Also the "free the petrushkas" thing was only maybe possible one at a time, maybe batches if you have all of them right there, and not all of them all at once from a distance.
Then I guess we shouldn't have been tried. It was orating for a miracle anyway. I thought the sacrifice would increase chances of that, but alas.
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All that aside, what do we do now?
Legit, the way you described Cargo Hold 3 made me believe that the room was specifically meant to be an encounter arena. It's the exact size and shape as 90% of dungeon rooms were you fight one giant monster.
>Also the "free the petrushkas" thing was only maybe possible one at a time, maybe batches if you have all of them right there, and not all of them all at once from a distance.
Then I guess we shouldn't have been tried. It was orating for a miracle anyway. I thought the sacrifice would increase chances of that, but alas.
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All that aside, what do we do now?
>>196142
GM's aren't supposed to tell the party what to do. They are supposed to play out what the party choses. There were four choices. One of them was my plan, one of them wasn't my plan but frankly was better than my plan, one was serviceable, and then there was the one you chose
>>196143
Technically speaking it was. It was where the final battle was supposed to take place where forces would be waiting for the party. This was supposed to be after Light Water. It is not competent to be a replacement for using the rest of the ship.
My intention was to have the party fight two giant monsters, then let you all figure out what to do after that
GM's aren't supposed to tell the party what to do. They are supposed to play out what the party choses. There were four choices. One of them was my plan, one of them wasn't my plan but frankly was better than my plan, one was serviceable, and then there was the one you chose
>>196143
Technically speaking it was. It was where the final battle was supposed to take place where forces would be waiting for the party. This was supposed to be after Light Water. It is not competent to be a replacement for using the rest of the ship.
My intention was to have the party fight two giant monsters, then let you all figure out what to do after that
>>196144
D&D is also an example of collaborative storytelling. You have an image in your mind of how the story is going to go, and we can't see what it is without being told. We don't need to know every detail, that's where the suspense comes from and is where we get to express how our characters act and react to what's going on in the story, but if we can communicate about what we want to see out of the story we're making we can work together to make it the best story we can. Like, I don't know which choice is which that you mentioned. I'd like to know what they are, because I'd love to work with you to make something better than we've got right now. I'd especially like to know now because I was honestly banking a lot on character development for Kira from this plan at least somewhat working, and I'd love to work with you to make something great together rather than throw everything out.
D&D is also an example of collaborative storytelling. You have an image in your mind of how the story is going to go, and we can't see what it is without being told. We don't need to know every detail, that's where the suspense comes from and is where we get to express how our characters act and react to what's going on in the story, but if we can communicate about what we want to see out of the story we're making we can work together to make it the best story we can. Like, I don't know which choice is which that you mentioned. I'd like to know what they are, because I'd love to work with you to make something better than we've got right now. I'd especially like to know now because I was honestly banking a lot on character development for Kira from this plan at least somewhat working, and I'd love to work with you to make something great together rather than throw everything out.
>>196144
>GM's aren't supposed to tell the party what to do.
I mean, that is true, but here we are discussing how the plan was bad after the fact anyway. Nobody's immersion would be threatened if we had some transparent plot hooks. Maybe NPCs could speak up about what they want to do.
...Then again, you did that already, didn't you? You laid plot hooks, hints and dialogue to suggest that we should go above deck and kill Light Water first, but Cavalier's player insisted we go kill the Intruder first, and after arguing about that for two weeks Kira said she wanted to pray for divine intervention (which she seemed to believe would work without any element of human sacrifice, even though she is not a Cleric and has no means to make miracles happen) so we came to Cargo Hold 3 as a """"compromise"""" midway between the two locations and ultimately accomplished nothing.
I guess it's our communication failure then.
>This was supposed to be after Light Water.
This reaffirms my belief that we should have just gone to kill Light Water first.
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You know, I don't normally ask for this kind of thing, but could we please just pretend we never came to this empty room? We retconned the Paladin and Cleric out of existence already, can we do it for this too? Please?
>GM's aren't supposed to tell the party what to do.
I mean, that is true, but here we are discussing how the plan was bad after the fact anyway. Nobody's immersion would be threatened if we had some transparent plot hooks. Maybe NPCs could speak up about what they want to do.
...Then again, you did that already, didn't you? You laid plot hooks, hints and dialogue to suggest that we should go above deck and kill Light Water first, but Cavalier's player insisted we go kill the Intruder first, and after arguing about that for two weeks Kira said she wanted to pray for divine intervention (which she seemed to believe would work without any element of human sacrifice, even though she is not a Cleric and has no means to make miracles happen) so we came to Cargo Hold 3 as a """"compromise"""" midway between the two locations and ultimately accomplished nothing.
I guess it's our communication failure then.
>This was supposed to be after Light Water.
This reaffirms my belief that we should have just gone to kill Light Water first.
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You know, I don't normally ask for this kind of thing, but could we please just pretend we never came to this empty room? We retconned the Paladin and Cleric out of existence already, can we do it for this too? Please?
A big issue is that we had no idea what Posey was trying to do since being unaware was part of the ruse working. How could we have known that the spell would be seen only above decks, or that Posey was going to kill a prisoner?
>>196144
>Technically speaking it was. It was where the final battle was supposed to take place where forces would be waiting for the party. This was supposed to be after Light Water. It is not competent to be a replacement for using the rest of the ship.
You can't hype up Light Water as this extremely dangerous boss fight hiding behind ambush corridors, then give us an unlocked door on the other side. Of course we're going to take the path of least resistance.
>>196144
>Technically speaking it was. It was where the final battle was supposed to take place where forces would be waiting for the party. This was supposed to be after Light Water. It is not competent to be a replacement for using the rest of the ship.
You can't hype up Light Water as this extremely dangerous boss fight hiding behind ambush corridors, then give us an unlocked door on the other side. Of course we're going to take the path of least resistance.
>>196146
>here we are discussing how the plan was bad after the fact anyway
Well that's true, but what I was going to do and should have actually done was to have two hopefully pretty cool summons battle the party, and eventually the party would have gotten the message that either the Traveler was listening but did not share every detail with Light Water, or Light Water believed Posey when she said "It's too late to stop it now" and decided to not 1 v 8 in the party in a room with no cover, and instead decided to wait with his army of petrushkas in a defensive position for whatever may come.
>here we are discussing how the plan was bad after the fact anyway
Well that's true, but what I was going to do and should have actually done was to have two hopefully pretty cool summons battle the party, and eventually the party would have gotten the message that either the Traveler was listening but did not share every detail with Light Water, or Light Water believed Posey when she said "It's too late to stop it now" and decided to not 1 v 8 in the party in a room with no cover, and instead decided to wait with his army of petrushkas in a defensive position for whatever may come.
There are villain characters that are true warriors, who do not fear death, who love to fight, love to risk their lives, and who will risk their own lives just as surely as they will risk the lives of their subordinates. Light Water is not that. When Light Water plays chess, so long as he has pawns in play, he will send out his pawns to take enemy pieces before he will attack with his king. That's just how he does things. He does not want to 1 v 4/1 v 8 the party. That is not what he wants to do.
I will admit that Posey's plan to bring him out was probably one of the best ways to attempt to bait him into a 1 v 8, but it's still a very difficult task because he does not want to 1 v 8 the party.
You have a radio. You can use the radio to talk to Light Water. You know, like Die Hard? You've seen that movie, right? Where John Mclane talks to Alan Rickman over a Walkie Talkie periodically throughout the movie? You can do that. You can also yell at a Petrushka until it eventually becomes clear that Light Water is in fact listening. And you can also just, you know, do the thing right in full view of Light Water. There are alternatives to doing a thing in private, then letting it be seen by a petrushka after the fact, and then when there is no reason to believe that Light Water has understood what has happened within the first 10 seconds, kill the petrushka
I will admit that Posey's plan to bring him out was probably one of the best ways to attempt to bait him into a 1 v 8, but it's still a very difficult task because he does not want to 1 v 8 the party.
You have a radio. You can use the radio to talk to Light Water. You know, like Die Hard? You've seen that movie, right? Where John Mclane talks to Alan Rickman over a Walkie Talkie periodically throughout the movie? You can do that. You can also yell at a Petrushka until it eventually becomes clear that Light Water is in fact listening. And you can also just, you know, do the thing right in full view of Light Water. There are alternatives to doing a thing in private, then letting it be seen by a petrushka after the fact, and then when there is no reason to believe that Light Water has understood what has happened within the first 10 seconds, kill the petrushka
Okay, we need the other possessed ponies we've captured with us to be able to cleanse them. What would be your preferred location for the ritual, GM pone? Would you like it done on the deck? Is there a room with a good layout for a battle you'd prefer it to be done in instead?
>>196150
Haven't I explained this? For Kira's procedure to have a chance to work, it needs to happen under circumstances where the Traveler's influence is at its weakest. This means as much metal as possible between the Traveler and the Petrushka. That means Cargo Hold 5 and chromium ingots, and also doing it one at a time. And that's absolutely not what was attempted here
Haven't I explained this? For Kira's procedure to have a chance to work, it needs to happen under circumstances where the Traveler's influence is at its weakest. This means as much metal as possible between the Traveler and the Petrushka. That means Cargo Hold 5 and chromium ingots, and also doing it one at a time. And that's absolutely not what was attempted here
>>196147
Only Light Water and the Intruder needed to see the effects of the spell anyway, and they could see it from their perspective (the intruder by proxy through its thralls) because it is pouring down on the entire ship.
>or that Posey was going to kill a prisoner?
Well, I got desperate after my plan failed and doubled down on assisting Kira, but with no miracle manifesting I concluded that the Serpent must have demanded bloodshed because neutral death gods don't give out miracles for free.
>You can't hype up Light Water as this extremely dangerous boss fight hiding behind ambush corridors, then give us an unlocked door on the other side.
Tbh, I only came up with this plan because I heard the "I'll see how many summoned monsters I can fit in the room" comment (now deleted). It made me paranoid that Light Water can just summon more monsters every round as we approach him, and we could be screwed before we even get into attacking range; that's what I would do if I had infinite summons and telepathic awareness. It's why I figured that the best way to defeat him would have been to convince him to teleport himself into a firing squad, so that he would have no summons on the surprise round.
>Of course we're going to take the path of least resistance.
I wouldn't call this that. This was us walking around in circles because nobody knows what we're doing.
>what I was going to do and should have actually done was to have two hopefully pretty cool summons battle the party
GM, I really do appreciate these fun and challenging encounters, but tactically we don't really make any progress fighting summons when from our perspective it seems as though the Intruder can make infinite more of them.
If we got even a hint that the Intruder had a finite amount of summons per day it would feel a lot more rewarding after we defeat them.
>or Light Water believed Posey when she said "It's too late to stop it now"
That's not what she said:
>"Nevermind, it is almost done. None of your writhing beasts can stop its calling. The serpent will take us both to oblivion."
She was implying that summoned monsters would be insufficient to stop it, encouraging the Intruder and/or Light Water (mages who can counterspell) to come and stop it themselves in person.
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I am going to reiterate my request to retcon coming here, but if that won't be granted at least be aware that I could not coup de grace and draw a weapon in the same turn, and both actions provoked attacks of opportunity, so maybe let me withdraw decapitating the prisoner.
>>196149
>probably one of the best ways to attempt to bait him into a 1 v 8, but it's still a very difficult task because he does not want to 1 v 8 the party.
That's why I set up all these illusions and spells and bluff checks and intimidate decks to make him panic.
>You have a radio. You can use the radio to talk to Light Water. You know, like Die Hard? You've seen that movie, right? Where John Mclane talks to Alan Rickman over a Walkie Talkie periodically throughout the movie? You can do that. You can also yell at a Petrushka until it eventually becomes clear that Light Water is in fact listening. And you can also just, you know, do the thing right in full view of Light Water. There are alternatives to doing a thing in private, then letting it be seen by a petrushka after the fact, and then when there is no reason to believe that Light Water has understood what has happened within the first 10 seconds, kill the petrushka
Well, the point was to bluff Light Water into believing that he had only witnessed the ritual incidentally when the Petrushka woke up, which was my poetic way of using the enemy's Telepathic omniscience against them. I just didn't understand that Light Water and the Intruder didn't share the same information all of the time.
>>196150
I think we can give up on the ritual. Praying for a few minutes does not give you a free casting of Break Enchantment without a high DC Religion check and a sacrifice, and even then it's only 1/day at most. You are not a Cleric.
And even if it worked, what use do we have for unconscious soldier at 1-4 HP? That's treating a symptom, not the cause.
Let's just go kill the bosses.
Only Light Water and the Intruder needed to see the effects of the spell anyway, and they could see it from their perspective (the intruder by proxy through its thralls) because it is pouring down on the entire ship.
>or that Posey was going to kill a prisoner?
Well, I got desperate after my plan failed and doubled down on assisting Kira, but with no miracle manifesting I concluded that the Serpent must have demanded bloodshed because neutral death gods don't give out miracles for free.
>You can't hype up Light Water as this extremely dangerous boss fight hiding behind ambush corridors, then give us an unlocked door on the other side.
Tbh, I only came up with this plan because I heard the "I'll see how many summoned monsters I can fit in the room" comment (now deleted). It made me paranoid that Light Water can just summon more monsters every round as we approach him, and we could be screwed before we even get into attacking range; that's what I would do if I had infinite summons and telepathic awareness. It's why I figured that the best way to defeat him would have been to convince him to teleport himself into a firing squad, so that he would have no summons on the surprise round.
>Of course we're going to take the path of least resistance.
I wouldn't call this that. This was us walking around in circles because nobody knows what we're doing.
>what I was going to do and should have actually done was to have two hopefully pretty cool summons battle the party
GM, I really do appreciate these fun and challenging encounters, but tactically we don't really make any progress fighting summons when from our perspective it seems as though the Intruder can make infinite more of them.
If we got even a hint that the Intruder had a finite amount of summons per day it would feel a lot more rewarding after we defeat them.
>or Light Water believed Posey when she said "It's too late to stop it now"
That's not what she said:
>"Nevermind, it is almost done. None of your writhing beasts can stop its calling. The serpent will take us both to oblivion."
She was implying that summoned monsters would be insufficient to stop it, encouraging the Intruder and/or Light Water (mages who can counterspell) to come and stop it themselves in person.
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I am going to reiterate my request to retcon coming here, but if that won't be granted at least be aware that I could not coup de grace and draw a weapon in the same turn, and both actions provoked attacks of opportunity, so maybe let me withdraw decapitating the prisoner.
>>196149
>probably one of the best ways to attempt to bait him into a 1 v 8, but it's still a very difficult task because he does not want to 1 v 8 the party.
That's why I set up all these illusions and spells and bluff checks and intimidate decks to make him panic.
>You have a radio. You can use the radio to talk to Light Water. You know, like Die Hard? You've seen that movie, right? Where John Mclane talks to Alan Rickman over a Walkie Talkie periodically throughout the movie? You can do that. You can also yell at a Petrushka until it eventually becomes clear that Light Water is in fact listening. And you can also just, you know, do the thing right in full view of Light Water. There are alternatives to doing a thing in private, then letting it be seen by a petrushka after the fact, and then when there is no reason to believe that Light Water has understood what has happened within the first 10 seconds, kill the petrushka
Well, the point was to bluff Light Water into believing that he had only witnessed the ritual incidentally when the Petrushka woke up, which was my poetic way of using the enemy's Telepathic omniscience against them. I just didn't understand that Light Water and the Intruder didn't share the same information all of the time.
>>196150
I think we can give up on the ritual. Praying for a few minutes does not give you a free casting of Break Enchantment without a high DC Religion check and a sacrifice, and even then it's only 1/day at most. You are not a Cleric.
And even if it worked, what use do we have for unconscious soldier at 1-4 HP? That's treating a symptom, not the cause.
Let's just go kill the bosses.
>>196151
>For Kira's procedure to have a chance to work, it needs to happen under circumstances where the Traveler's influence is at its weakest.
Was there any mechanical basis to this in the first place?
I added the sacrifice check at the end because there are rules for that.
>For Kira's procedure to have a chance to work, it needs to happen under circumstances where the Traveler's influence is at its weakest.
Was there any mechanical basis to this in the first place?
I added the sacrifice check at the end because there are rules for that.
>>196153
My mother used to take sodas that I was drinking and did not finish and would put them - open - into the refrigerator. What would happen is that they would quickly go flat and taste absolutely disgusting, much worse than if they had just been allowed to be room temperature. The Cargo Hold 3 plan is basically the plan version of that. There is not a single, solitary detail of the plan that is not outright inferior to the same plan being conducted on the deck of the ship.
The entire plan hinged on assuming that Light Water has god levels of knowledge and is omniscient. If it were done on deck, you wouldn't need to assume that, he could see it with his own eyes.
The entire plan assumed that Light Water had dimension door. Admittedly this is a fair assumption but still, on deck he can just fly down.
The plan assumes that he wants to walk into a firing squad. On deck he could use his petrushkas
The plan mentions blood rain but you can't see that inside
The plan just makes so many assumptions about its enemy, and not a single one of those assumptions would have been necessary if only it took place on the deck of the ship.
And then all of this is besides the fact that I want to make use of the ship and killing Light Water is a way to sidestep going through the ship. I could be okay with that if it were on the deck because that's a location that obviously makes use of the fact that this is a ship. It has the bridge, cranes, a wooden deck, and more. And then I could actually bring the petrushkas into battle instead of... I don't know, having them all ambush the party in the next room at the next battler? What was I supposed to do with them if they physically cannot enter the room? How was that supposed to work?
Okay sure, there are reasons that maybe, maybe Cargo Hold 3 might have, I don't know, merited a dice roll and it would have worked with a roll of 14 or higher? All I could think about was "This is worse than on deck. This is worse than my original plan. This is worse than doing Kira's plan. This is no one's plan and it's the worst possible thing you could have done."
>Teleport to go kill Light Water
Do it. Fucking go do it. Do it. Fucking do it. I've told you 50 fucking times that Light Water will not, is not, and will never 1 v 1 you ever, so long as he can borrow summons and throw four plus petrushkas between you and him, and your attempts to 1 v 1 him will end in your character dying, If you do not believe me, then go do it. Do it and see what happens. I'm tired of explaining this. I'm tired of explaining this every single month.
My mother used to take sodas that I was drinking and did not finish and would put them - open - into the refrigerator. What would happen is that they would quickly go flat and taste absolutely disgusting, much worse than if they had just been allowed to be room temperature. The Cargo Hold 3 plan is basically the plan version of that. There is not a single, solitary detail of the plan that is not outright inferior to the same plan being conducted on the deck of the ship.
The entire plan hinged on assuming that Light Water has god levels of knowledge and is omniscient. If it were done on deck, you wouldn't need to assume that, he could see it with his own eyes.
The entire plan assumed that Light Water had dimension door. Admittedly this is a fair assumption but still, on deck he can just fly down.
The plan assumes that he wants to walk into a firing squad. On deck he could use his petrushkas
The plan mentions blood rain but you can't see that inside
The plan just makes so many assumptions about its enemy, and not a single one of those assumptions would have been necessary if only it took place on the deck of the ship.
And then all of this is besides the fact that I want to make use of the ship and killing Light Water is a way to sidestep going through the ship. I could be okay with that if it were on the deck because that's a location that obviously makes use of the fact that this is a ship. It has the bridge, cranes, a wooden deck, and more. And then I could actually bring the petrushkas into battle instead of... I don't know, having them all ambush the party in the next room at the next battler? What was I supposed to do with them if they physically cannot enter the room? How was that supposed to work?
Okay sure, there are reasons that maybe, maybe Cargo Hold 3 might have, I don't know, merited a dice roll and it would have worked with a roll of 14 or higher? All I could think about was "This is worse than on deck. This is worse than my original plan. This is worse than doing Kira's plan. This is no one's plan and it's the worst possible thing you could have done."
>Teleport to go kill Light Water
Do it. Fucking go do it. Do it. Fucking do it. I've told you 50 fucking times that Light Water will not, is not, and will never 1 v 1 you ever, so long as he can borrow summons and throw four plus petrushkas between you and him, and your attempts to 1 v 1 him will end in your character dying, If you do not believe me, then go do it. Do it and see what happens. I'm tired of explaining this. I'm tired of explaining this every single month.
>>196153
>Well, I got desperate after my plan failed and doubled down on assisting Kira, but with no miracle manifesting I concluded that the Serpent must have demanded bloodshed because neutral death gods don't give out miracles for free.
You did this without asking any of us, including the creature who actually worships the Serpent.
>I wouldn't call this that. This was us walking around in circles because nobody knows what we're doing.
This. I feel that we've been compromising for everyone and nobody is happy at the end of the day.
>Well, I got desperate after my plan failed and doubled down on assisting Kira, but with no miracle manifesting I concluded that the Serpent must have demanded bloodshed because neutral death gods don't give out miracles for free.
You did this without asking any of us, including the creature who actually worships the Serpent.
>I wouldn't call this that. This was us walking around in circles because nobody knows what we're doing.
This. I feel that we've been compromising for everyone and nobody is happy at the end of the day.
>>196155
My plan sucks. This location sucks. The execution sucked. I suck. I get it.
Where do we go from here?
My plan sucks. This location sucks. The execution sucked. I suck. I get it.
Where do we go from here?
>>196155
Well, my original original plan before all of this was to explore the rest of the ship, so we could collect the rest of the petrushkas (and also see what cool stuff you had planned) and then have Kira try to cleanse them in cargo hold 5 with the help of the chromium...
Well, my original original plan before all of this was to explore the rest of the ship, so we could collect the rest of the petrushkas (and also see what cool stuff you had planned) and then have Kira try to cleanse them in cargo hold 5 with the help of the chromium...
>>196159
By "collect" do you mean risk our lives fighting every single one of the hundreds of sailors on this ship, knock them unconscious without using any of our lethal tactics, and then somehow carry all of them with us?
> then have Kira try to cleanse them in cargo hold 5 with the help of the chromium
Whatever made you think this would work?
We should just go kill Light Water.
By "collect" do you mean risk our lives fighting every single one of the hundreds of sailors on this ship, knock them unconscious without using any of our lethal tactics, and then somehow carry all of them with us?
> then have Kira try to cleanse them in cargo hold 5 with the help of the chromium
Whatever made you think this would work?
We should just go kill Light Water.
>>196160
Well, fighting Light Water would mean fighting every petrushka on the ship all at once. I don't think there's hundreds but it would still be more than enough to overwhelm us. This way, not only do we avoid having to kill so many innocent ponies (I know, Posey's not so worried about that part), but it makes the fight against Light Water easier since he'll be outmatched.
Well, fighting Light Water would mean fighting every petrushka on the ship all at once. I don't think there's hundreds but it would still be more than enough to overwhelm us. This way, not only do we avoid having to kill so many innocent ponies (I know, Posey's not so worried about that part), but it makes the fight against Light Water easier since he'll be outmatched.
>>196161
>Well, fighting Light Water would mean fighting every petrushka on the ship all at once.
The room has finite size.
The encounter level has a finite difficulty.
>don't think there's hundreds but it would still be more than enough to overwhelm us.
It's a Soviet Battleship: it's crewed by 1,449 sailors.
>This way, not only do we avoid having to kill so many innocent ponies
You cannot expect us to knock out over a thousand individual ponies for you to do your voodoo nonsense on them.
>>196162
Did GM not just say right now that the intended plot was for us to go kill Light Water first?
We only got in this situation because you didn't want to do that even though every plot hook pointed us in that direction.
>Well, fighting Light Water would mean fighting every petrushka on the ship all at once.
The room has finite size.
The encounter level has a finite difficulty.
>don't think there's hundreds but it would still be more than enough to overwhelm us.
It's a Soviet Battleship: it's crewed by 1,449 sailors.
>This way, not only do we avoid having to kill so many innocent ponies
You cannot expect us to knock out over a thousand individual ponies for you to do your voodoo nonsense on them.
>>196162
Did GM not just say right now that the intended plot was for us to go kill Light Water first?
We only got in this situation because you didn't want to do that even though every plot hook pointed us in that direction.
I am going to bed now before I fuck anything else up.
GM should go to bed too. It's late where you are. Take care of your health and stay safe on your travels. We shouldn't be running while you're out of the country anyway.
GM should go to bed too. It's late where you are. Take care of your health and stay safe on your travels. We shouldn't be running while you're out of the country anyway.
>>196163
>We only got in this situation because you didn't want to do that even though every plot hook pointed us in that direction.
I don't want to do that because it's clear that Posey will not cooperate with any plan to capture Light Water alive, which would be a far better option and achievement compared to killing him. Posey is a loose cannon and we've had no option but to metaphorically tie her down every time the party is together.
Goodnight.
>We only got in this situation because you didn't want to do that even though every plot hook pointed us in that direction.
I don't want to do that because it's clear that Posey will not cooperate with any plan to capture Light Water alive, which would be a far better option and achievement compared to killing him. Posey is a loose cannon and we've had no option but to metaphorically tie her down every time the party is together.
Goodnight.
>>196165
>I don't want to do that because it's clear that Posey will not cooperate with any plan to capture Light Water alive, which would be a far better option and achievement compared to killing him.
The order in which we fight the bosses will have no bearing on that outcome.
>I don't want to do that because it's clear that Posey will not cooperate with any plan to capture Light Water alive, which would be a far better option and achievement compared to killing him.
The order in which we fight the bosses will have no bearing on that outcome.
I think we're all in agreement that we should go back a step, and do something else. I still want to clear the ship because I know GM pone still has some stuff he'd like to show, and I'd like to see it, but I'm only one person here so I don't know what everyone else wants to do.
Cavaliere whispers to Silver, "She's going to be a problem. We need to restrain her when we've weakened the doctor enough. You do want to capture him alive, yes?"
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