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Occupied Equestria: Rainy Night
Anonymous
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No.147000
147001
Welcome back to the newest thread of Occupied Equestria

In Northern Equestria on the Changeling side, Spark has given refuge to a mare claiming to be stalked by a Changeling drone.

In the southeast, in Baltimare, Amber tries to slip past police in her infiltration of the Police Headquarters. Iron prepares for his next fight against griffin gangsters. Silver enjoys downtime, and Midnight checks out a local church.
1595 replies and 78 files omitted.
Anonymous
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No.148448
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>>148447
And the pony is... Not the speaker. It's a member of the "Free Speech Society," a graduate student, who introduces the speaker. Evidently the speaker was schooled at Princess University, studied among some tribe in Zebrica, did a post graduate study in Aquelia, was a professor in Griffonia during the brief Republican period, and was a tenured professor at Hayward for over a decade. He was evidently dismissed by a new ordnance in the Manehattan district only a couple months ago under the then-secretary of education there.

The speaker spends a while to talk about the importance of freedom of speech and of the autonomy of universities, and especially, speaks of the importance of acting to maintain the autonomy of the university system in Baltimare. He speaks of a need to organize to prevent similar dismissals in Baltimare. He states further that these dismissals are only the "thin edge of the wedge" of reactionary movements, as the experience in Maanehattan has shown. He gets applause at a few of these suggestions. He ends his introduction, and leaves the podium.
Anonymous
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No.148449
148451
>>148448
Dark Star Claps with the crowd
He whispers to nadir
"wow Very Insightful"
Anonymous
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No.148451
148452
>>148449
She whispers back
"Yeah, it is."

And then an older stallion, orange brown in coat, with glasses, and with a curly mane and facial hair that has gone grey and white with age, comes to the podium, and starts to speak. The first statement is a thank you to the Free Speech Society for inviting him there, and a snide remark about being removed from Manehattan. He says he wonders why ponies think what he says is so dangerous, but remarks, "I tell only the facts, and evidently, the facts are dangerous to those who hold power."

He starts off the lecture proper not with a history of sexuality per se, but rather with a recent history of what others have said. Angels, famously, a few decades ago proposed the finding that the earliest pony tribes lived as single herd units where all sexual partners, children, and property were held in common, with foals being exchanged between herds to avoid incest. Only later in the development of civilization did private property - and with it, monogamous marriage - come into being. He then speaks of the findings of Professor Carrot Mead in her findings in living among the tribes of what is now the Feathesian Indies, on Salmon Island. She claims that, in the areas untouched by the Griffenhiem religion, that young zebra mares would promiscuously engage in intercourse with nearly the entire village in their younger years, and only later be married off. This, she claimed, had no real negative effects, and the mares are reported to have happy relationships there after. Evidently, chiefs are reported to have preferred mares who have had as many partners as possible. The professor gives isolated and anecdotal reports of similar patterns occurring in LLamabet, but also in old Equestrian cultures, claiming adultery has been more common than has been realized.
Anonymous
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No.148452
148453 148456
>>148451
>"I tell only the facts, and evidently, the facts are dangerous to those who hold power."
Dark Star smirks slightly at this part then immediately stops.
As he begins speaking About the "History" Dark Star trys not to give away the fact he is Disgusted.
Anonymous
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No.148453
148454 148455 148456
>>148452
The speaker then sums up the previous section by stating that Hippological research suggests that the "Natural" state of most creatures is Polyamory and communal raising of children. Or at least, that restrictions to female sexuality are not natural. He claims rather that sexual morality - monogamous marriage and prohibitions on adultery - are rather something that arises later in the stages of civilizational development, generally alongside private property (also held to not be "natural" in the strictes meaning) and inequality. He notes that basically every culture on the planet is at a stage of development past the pure "natural" and earliest stages, with even those few exceptions mentioned earlier being hard to find in an unaltered state.

The professor then moves on to talk about how Monogamy came to be. He brings up the ideas of Frau, who states that civilization is the product of reason, which then places limits on the passions to try to funnel them into more creative ventures, with no passion stronger than sexuality. The professor talks about an association of sexuality with the primitive state, and the fear that older generations had of it, but also their fascination. He brings up examples from literature, and also has a projector showing images of art that supposedly are representative of the fear of sexuality. He links this to a project to assert the mind and the spirit over matter. He also associates it with hierarchy in government, inequality in society, and a reduction of female rights.
Anonymous
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No.148454
148455 148456
>>148453
He Whispers "Amazing."
While he slightly squirms in his seat, he thinks to himself "Why am i even here? i really hope i find some plot or something."
Anonymous
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No.148455
148456
>>148454
>>148453
4%
Anonymous
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No.148456
148457 148458
>>148452
>>148453
He goes on to talk about some of the negative consequences of the repressive, old sexuality, claiming they cause nervous disorders. He gives the example of a mare who evidently caused harm to herself in fear, or of extreme efforts ponies in the past have gone to to avoid masturbation.

He takes a detour to talk about sexual deviance, which he claims are caused by environmental disturbances in youth. He talks about homosexuality, and claims that in old literature it was associated with a love of masculine virtues, and love of comrades in battle. Supposedly it was associated with soldiers on campaign. He also claims that evidence shows that foals are much more sexual than appreciated, and that the earliest sexual growth occurs before puberty. Then he gets back into hippology, stating that pederasty, the practice of pairing children (past the age of puberty, but still children) with much older ponies of the same sex has been recorded in many societies - most clearly in Nimbusia - with no ill effect on development.

He claims that rape and pedophilia is in no small part the result of sexual repression created by the old morality. He takes a moment to allude to a particularly infamous incident of pedophilia uncovered just in the last week right here in Baltimare, and claims that this too, may be the unfortunate consequence of sexual repression.

He ends talking about what society should do. He praises Singer's work in showing the utility of contraceptives like condoms, and claims it has reduced the number of unwanted pregnancies, and of children born into poverty. He applauds Baltimare for eliminating the law against sodomy. He claims that sexuality outside of marriage, and especially mares having multiple partners, should be more tolerated by society. He claims that divorce laws need reform in every jurisdiction. Finally, he talks about the elimination of any laws against miscegenation, citing examples in zebrica showing this too, to be completely safe and natural.

>>148454
Think of Equestria, Dark Star. Think of your mother. Do it for her.

>>148455
Aww...
Anonymous
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No.148457
148458 148459
>>148456
>He also claims that evidence shows that foals are much more sexual than appreciated, and that the earliest sexual growth occurs before puberty. Then he gets back into hippology, stating that pederasty, the practice of pairing children (past the age of puberty, but still children) with much older ponies of the same sex has been recorded in many societies - most clearly in Nimbusia - with no ill effect on development
Dark Star Almost loses his Cool here. He literally Bites his tongue.
>He claims that rape and pedophilia is in no small part the result of sexual repression created by the old morality. He takes a moment to allude to a particularly infamous incident of pedophilia uncovered just in the last week right here in Baltimare, and claims that this too, may be the unfortunate consequence of sexual repression.
He Remembers the Horrors he saw there and How Effected The two young colts were by the ordeal. He Takes a breath to try and calm down,his blood boiling. He Thinks of the Good times he had with his family and calms slightly.
Anonymous
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No.148458
>>148457
>>148456
2% if i stop replying you know what happend
Anonymous
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No.148459
148460
>>148457
Nadir occasionally looks over to Dark Star, and of course Star Cut and his girlfriend can see Dark Star, so there is little room for him to react negatively.

The speech included other items, like a reference to rumors that the Princesses had numerous male partners even at the same time, mostly from among their palace guards, and an insinuation that the prohibition against adultery is far from universal in civilized cultures, citing alleged examples to the contrary in Llamabet and Nimbusia where a mare having sex with partners other than a her husband was not only tolerated but desired by the male partner. He also mentions examples of interspecies relationships, most recently citing the behavior of New Mareland garrison troops in occupied griffin countries. Incidently, this is the one and only reference to the Blackhooves in the speech.

He ends the speech coming full circle, talking not about sexuality and its history or future, but rather about his own future as a professor. He expresses concern that he will be chased out of any university in East Equestria, and may have to leave Equestria altogether. He implores the audience to stand up and block any attempt to eliminate university autonomy. The crowd gives a standing ovation.
Anonymous
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No.148460
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>>148459
Still there? im back
Dark Star thinks to himself "They Probably Did have multiple stallions knowing them"
He then thinks "The BlackHooves and griffins? Not in a million years."
He Joins the crowd in the applause.
Anonymous
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No.148461
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>>148460
Hello
It's not the true end of the speech, but rather, it opens to questions and answers.

A pony in the crowd asks about Changelings. Totem, while not having much to say about Changeling behavior, does claim that they have thrived in Equestrian society in large part because repression gives Changelings a niche to fill; they allow a sort of outlet of sexual desire which they can then exploit.

A diamond dog asks about, well, diamond dogs. The professor admits ignorance of the history of diamond dogs, but claims that what he does know largely backs up his claims about ponies. In particular, there are reports that Diamond Dogs would raise their young communally, which he believes implied they had group marriage. He also mentions reports of sexual encounters between diamond dogs and ponies in the earliest days of exploration.
Anonymous
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No.148462
148463
>>148461
Dark Star Asks him to elaborate on The princesses.
Anonymous
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No.148463
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>>148462
"Yes" He answers Dark Star

"Huh?" When Dark Star asks his question, there's almost a moment of confusion. But after a few seconds, a smile comes across his face.

"Oh, yes. Princess Celestia - these rumors circulate mostly around Princess Celestia - is widely known to have courted a duke before ascending the throne of the Equestrian confederation. That particular relationship is unlikely to have gone anywhere, but it is still something to think about-"
By and large, the evidence consists in Celestia being particular about some of her staff, specially reassigning a royal farrier in one instance, a master of the barracks in another, and especially throne room guards. Second, in several instances of especially foreign dignitaries and nobility being taken on what seem to be personal frolics like dates, or disappearing into her bedchambers for an hour or so. And thirdly, multiple ponies over the centuries have publicly claimed to have been lovers of Princess Celestia. The Professor has to note that all of the evidence is circumstantial and often has other explanations. One of the stallions who claims to have been Celestia's confident and lover was found to have never been even within a hundred miles of her, and in one especially bizarre incident, an attendant burst into a room occupied by Celestia and one of her throne room guards to find that Celestia was reading a bedtime story to the guard. Still, Celestia was known to send love letters in her first few years of being a princess to certain princes of the pony tribes. There are a few years where Celestia was reclusive enough that just may have been hiding a pregancy, and who knows what she's done in possible trips through mirror realms...

The evidence for Luna is actually more straightforward, as unlike Celestia, she has been spotted unequivocally love sick for individuals both before banishment and after, though the stallions in question deny having actually copulated with her.

Twilight, believed to have had a crush on a crystal guard, is admittedly the most likely to still be a virgin.

Cadence is actually married and has a child, and has a high likelihood of not being a virgin at the time of marriage. She is rumored to have had affairs, though these rumors don't seem to have much substance to them.
Anonymous
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No.148464
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>>148463
"Very Intriguing,Professor.May i ask how you came about this evidence?"
Anonymous
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No.148465
148466
>>148464
"These are related in 'secret history of the Princesses,' 'The Early History of Equestria,' and a few of the Princess's biographies."
Anonymous
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No.148466
148467
>>148465
Dark Star actually takes note of these books
"Thank you professor.That was my only question."
Anonymous
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No.148467
148468 148475 148481
>>148466
Attention now shifts to a set of ponies in the front row associated with the University's Hippology Department

I have to sleep now... but I'll respond when I can
Anonymous
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No.148468
148481
>>148467
Ok, i'll be asleep soon as well
Anonymous
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No.148469
148473
>>148400
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PRECWr3DK8&ab_channel=Memeioli985
Anonymous
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No.148473
148475 148567
Spoilered
>>148469
Sneed
Anonymous
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No.148475
148476 148477
Spoilered
>>148467
Back
>>148473
>sneed related
Anonymous
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No.148476
148567
Spoilered
>>148475
Anonymous
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No.148477
148478
>>148475
Hello
Anonymous
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No.148478
148479 148481
>>148477
Hey need to charge my pc,be back in an hour and a half.
Anonymous
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No.148479
148480 148483
Spoilered
>>148478
>Charge my PC
Wut?
Anonymous
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No.148480
>>148479
#JustLaptopThings
Anonymous
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No.148481
148482 148483
>>148478
>>148467
>>148468
The presenter says that he wants to take time for members of the Hippology department at Jim Haykins to be able to ask questions.

The first question comes from an older mare who asks where the greatest progress is to be made in society. He replies that great progress has been made in legalizing contraceptives in almost every Equestrian jurisdiction. What remains to be done, he claims, is a general attitude shift in the population. In terms of legal changes, he claims that the illegality of abortion in some Equestrian jurisdictions, as well as restrictions on divorce, is where the greatest progress can be made.

A yellow mare in her late 20s, who the presenter states is an alum of the Hippology graduate program of the university, and is a professor in another city.

She tries to argue with the claim that there would be fewer instances of rape, pedophilia, or Changeling succubusism in a more liberalized moral system; she claims rather that moral license would embolden and provide cover to rapists, pedophiles, and Changelings (And yes, she lumps Changelings in the same category as pedophiles), and would create conditions for them to thrive. Totem retorts that such undesirable behaviors result when desires that need expression are not allowed to be satisfied in a controlled manner. The female professor does not agree, but moves on to a different question.

She contests the history presented in the first portion of the lecture. She claims to be familiar with the rites and rituals of the ponies indigenous (pre-Hearthswarming) to the southern portions of the continent. She claims that their indigenous rituals allow for polygyny among nobles including concubines and additional wives, as well as more lax divorce, but otherwise are fairly similar to modern Equestrian standards. He responds that the tribes in question are at an "advanced civilizational stage" and responds that something more like what is described elsewhere occurs in the ancillary Neighua tribes. She retorts that to the best of her knowledge they do not. He brings up a specific example from another cultural group further away, where a culture is said to practice female promiscuity prior to settling down in marriage just the same as in the Salmon islands example. She has to admit the culture in question is out of her field of specialized knowledge, but she does not trust a few anecdotal remarks from outside observers who had reason to lie about what they saw. Like the previous argument, this ends with both sides making claims that can't really be finally verified.

She finally claims a general logical problem with the pattern of sexuality mentioned before, that is, early age female promiscuity, by claiming that in a society where almost the entire population is living at the edge of subsistence, an out of wedlock birth would be certainly fatal to any child. He claims that onanism, timing cycles, and infanticide would resolve the issue, but that in any case they should agree to disagree as they are low on time. The female professor seems to back down for a moment, but then stands back up before being silenced by the presenter.

A graduate student asks a question about some esoteric practice in Griffonia, which Totem has to admit he doesn't know much about. The graduate student takes this opportunity to explain it to the audience. Something about a cup and symbolism, or something.

At this point, the presenter comes back, and says that they are out of time. There is applause from the audience.
Anonymous
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No.148482
>>148481
This post desperately needs trimming an editing, but I just can't at the moment
Anonymous
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No.148483
148484 148485
>>148479
Charge
>>148481
Dark Star Pays attention to the Female Professor,Trying to commit what she looks like to memory, as to speak to her later.
As well as paying attention to the question about the cup,Thinking if he has heard about it before.
Anonymous
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No.148484
148487 148567
Spoilered
>>148483
You have a PC that needs charging? You mean laptop?
Anonymous
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No.148485
148487
>>148483
She is a yellow earth pony with a light red mane tied with a single band. As Dark Star watches her sit down, Nadir leans over and whispers to Dark Star

"Stick. In. The mud."

It's a story from Unicorn society around the time of Gusty the Great, though the same motifs reappear in modern Equestrian history. The cup - actually a chalice - is said to be symbolic of female sexuality, and by extension, femininity in general.
Anonymous
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No.148487
148488
Spoilered
>>148484
Yes Its my grandma's
Imagine thinking sneed is lame
>>148485
He Whispers back
"Who is she? has she always been like that? she seem's very conservative.Does she teach here?"
Anonymous
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No.148488
148489
>>148487
"Nah, she teaches somewhere else. She went to school here though."
Anonymous
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No.148489
148490
>>148488
"She Sounds Very Boring."
>Digits checked
Anonymous
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No.148490
148492
>>148489
"Probably is. I don't have to listen to any professor though."

At this point, the lecture is completely over, and ponies start to move out of the lecture hall.
Anonymous
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No.148492
148493
>>148490
"Is it Over? i was really enjoying The speech."
He adjusts the glasses he's wearing
Anonymous
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No.148493
148494
>>148492
Nadir:
“Yeah, it was a little dry at times. I mean, with the history and all. But it was an eye opener. I never knew it was like that. Really puts things into perspective, doesn’t it?”
Anonymous
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No.148494
148495
>>148493
"You can say that again. It was simply amazing. I'm Never gonna Forget that speech. It's given me a lot to think about. although i wish it would have gone on a bit longer. maybe i'll be able to find some more speakers another time."
Anonymous
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No.148495
148496
>>148494
"Oh yeah. They have more sometimes. We also have books and stuff on this. I haven't read them, but there are books."

Mars Loaf and the stallion get up
Anonymous
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No.148496
148497
>>148495
Dark Star stands as well
"I Was Wondering if its possible for me to borrow some books from the library without being a student? those books he mentioned on the princesses sound Fascinating. I personally believe what he said about them."
Anonymous
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No.148497
148498
>>148496
Mars Loaf makes her own comments:
"It really pisses me off that they dismissed him in Manehattan. They might try that here."

The stallion speaks
"Not if we stop them."
He turns his attention to Dark Star
"Don't worry. I can get books. I know some ponies."
Anonymous
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No.148498
148500
>>148497
He comments on what mars has said
"They Dismissed him for Nothing other than political reasons i'm sure. It's Wrong Equestria is not about that at all."
He turns his attention to the stallion
"Thank you Star Cut i really appreciate it."
Anonymous
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No.148500
148501
>>148498
Star cut is the college student in the row above with the yellow college mare. The stallion here is an older stallion who seems to be Mars Loaf’s boyfriend

Mars Loaf:
“Yeah. So are we going to be active and do something?”
Anonymous
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No.148501
148502
>>148500
My Mistake assume i didnt say that. he would have just said i appreciate it
"Do something? Like what?"
Dark Star raises an eyebrow
Anonymous
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No.148502
148503
>>148501
“We can put on our own rally, or protest in support at the university.” He says
Anonymous
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No.148503
148504
>>148502
"Will that do enough? The old sticks in the mud might try to crack down on us."
Anonymous
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No.148504
148505
>>148503
“Heh, I don’t think they will. They saw what happened in Manehattan, they’ll be afraid of the same thing happening here. If we make enough of a show of it, that is.” He says

Mars Loaf asks,
“Where are we going? Back to your place?”

The stallion responds to her
“Sure, babe.”

Mars Loaf calls over to Nadir:
“Nadi! Come on.”
Anonymous
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No.148505
148506
>>148504
"I'll see EveryCreature later then. It was nice to meet you all."