/mlpol/ - My Little Politics

Apparently the guy who shot Kirk
https://archive.is/F9ABV
https://x.com/justin_hicken/status/1965848958464569704

>>397277
apparently that's not actually they guy, they arrested the wrong man, no confirmation if they got the real one

>>397282
also he's currently in stable but critical condition

>>397282
>pic related
Well, I have seen some of his videos, arguing with leftist...
I think he WAS an israel supporter, what about now? I mean, before he died.

>>397282
Yes saw reports of that just now.

>>397284
>I think he WAS an israel supporter, what about now? I mean, before he died.
I have not kept up with him. So I am not sure if he was still in the israel camp.

And the left fires the first shots

Trump reports Charlie Kirk died

>The Great, and even Legendary, Charlie Kirk, is dead. No one understood or had the Heart of the Youth in the United States of America better than Charlie. He was loved and admired by ALL, especially me, and now, he is no longer with us. Melania and my Sympathies go out to his beautiful wife Erika, and family. Charlie, we love you!
https://archive.is/1kZzd
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115181934991844419

>>397286
That's exactly my problem right now, how the hell am I supposed to even analyze this assassination? Was it an inside job? A false flag? Some kind of left vs right civil war shit? Or just the random outburst of some pissed off nobody…?
In times like this I usually check chat gpt takes, telegram chatter, and /pol/ threads to piece something together. Different people say different things, but overall Kirk’s been calling out israel lately, questioning, criticizing, and poking holes in their stuff. And unlike most MAGAtards, he didn't see Iran as some cartoonishly evil boogeyman, and he wasn't too hot on the idea of a war with Iran either.
It feels like he was slowly, subtly positioning himself against israel, then suddenly boom, he gets whacked. That's why his death feels so damn weird. And the killer? Apparently slipped away, since the guy they grabbed wasn't even the main shooter.
What makes it even more ironic is that Kirk himself was apparently a defender of the second amendment, and then he ends up assassinated by a bullet. That's a dark kind of irony right there.

>>397290
Thinking the same.
Strange that the shooter was able to slip away so easily.

>>397291
Anyway, the shooter was good at his job

Can’t wait for hundreds of millions of right wing gun owners to offer their thoughts and prayers and nothing else

>>397292
Wow he went to the range 2-3 times with a decent rifle, professional hitman right there

If he had a normal sized neck he would've survived that. Guy's neck was thicker than his head. Until I saw the clip with audio I thought his neck just did that on it's own.

>>397296
This post reeks of mental retardation

>>397298
Heritage Foundation zionists dying will always be funny and I will make fun of their appearance without remorse.

>>397288
>>397297
>The left keeps killing people on the right and they word it as if both sights are perpetrators
The important thing is that fewer and fewer people take anything the press says or does at face value anymore.

>>397290
Information on these events tends to come out gradually. In the meantime you're probably overthinking it.

>>397294
As someone who's at least got some experience hunting with winchester, I gotta say the hardest part is keeping your nerves steady, and this shooter really kept it cool.
It might not be on the scale of the Kennedy hit, but in its own way, the shooter pulled it off impressively well.

>>397292
From the location Charlie was sitting the location of the shooter had to be fairly level with the ground. The "tent" I assume would obscure view from the upper level roofs. So I assume the location AP has might be correct.

Potentially the shooter spotted.

New sinister just dropped

>>397306
>>397308
This distance seems more reasonable, though (as others have said) nothing can really be said for sure until all the details come out. Even 450 feet could be possible, though luck definitely plays a role along with other factors (the shooter, the rifle, the wind, etc...).
What really puzzles me is why, lately, the ops, killings, and assassinations that happen always seem to push things toward making the whole atmosphere more radicalized, on every side and everywhere in the world...

>>397308
Another video of apparent shooter.
Credit to the farms for POV render.

>>397310
>What really puzzles me is why, lately, the ops, killings, and assassinations that happen always seem to push things toward making the whole atmosphere more radicalized, on every side and everywhere in the world...
Agree. Problem they will have with Kirk is that he more or less was moderate, with some right leaning views, and just wanted to engage in discourse. It will be hard to frame this assassination as an "he asked for it with his rhetoric".

Is it o9a again like the Minnesota shooter?

>>397313
>o9a
Stop pushing this bullshit.

>>397286
See >>397314 →
He has either willingly or unwillingly allowed young people on the right to distance themselves from Zionism, which is an existential threat as far as Israel is concerned, because losing Republican support means both the left and right would hate them.

I just saw the news. It's really sad. He did real good work in those colleges. I think it was actually one of his videos that got me to realize that the liberal sorts are not merely misguided but just literally fucking evil disguised in superficial good intent.

Suspect in custody

>The subject for the horrific shooting today that took the life of Charlie Kirk is now in custody. Thank you to the local and state authorities in Utah for your partnership with
@fbi
>We will provide updates when able.
https://archive.is/LWigN
https://x.com/FBIDirectorKash/status/1965903392934633587

>>397327
Is it the right one this time?

>>397328
They found some Arab they can pretend was an Iranian national so they can blame it on Iran.

>>397328
It is from FBI, and they say in press conference that the guy that was initially arrested is in custody for "obstruction of justice".
But only time will tell if they have the right one. If they refuse to give the name of the new one it might be a good indication they have the right one this time.

>>397328
>>397331
Well then they are backtracking in the press conference.
>"To whomever did this. We will find you"
So I am not sure.

>>397327
Nah they're just pulling a luigi: real guy got away so they're pinning it on someone random so people don't get the bright idea to ack more Heritage Foundation kikes.

>slid off the vest towards the neck
Fucking hell, talk about unlucky.

>>397339
I'm not proud of myself, but I laughed.

Kirk wasn't even an extremist. He was the most vanilla, softcore moderate conservative ever. He wasn't even a public official, and I didn't even consider him to be particularly relevant in politics. There was nothing about him that stood out or was particularly threatening to any group, and yet he was murdered for daring to speak his mind.
This wasn't just an attack on Kirk, it was an attack on normal people. This is the conclusion of years of liberal media narratives that painted anyone to the right of Marx as a dangerous radical. If Kirk can be killed for his conservacuck moderate views, any of us can be murdered for our "dangerous" opinions. That's what they want in the end: they want us all dead.
All of the libshit social media: they're celebrating the death of this guy who wasn't particularly relevant or extreme, just because he dared to speak his moderate opinions. There's a growing trend of leftist violence in this country; violence is the last resort of the incompetent. First they tried deplatforming, then they tried censorship, then they tried rigging elections, then they tried imprisoning their political opponents, and now they're just openly trying to kill anyone who stands in their way.

He's dead

>>397359
Buy guns. Buy ammo

>>397359
I also had the thought of "of all people, why him?" Sure, Charlie Kirk and Turning Point go all over and absolutely shit on most of the mentally stunted students and it's always entertaining, but really, did it warrant fucking murder? It makes no sense from any point of view, even the conspiratorial ones.

>>397366
It's how much the Overton window has moved in the minds of Democrat lunatics. They legit believe that anyone even remotely right wing is an existential threat to "democracy". They're completely delusional.
If they would kill Kirk, they would kill all of us.

>>397367
Agreed. This shit isn't going to get better until people stand up to it. Prepare for what is coming. Stay safe.

>>397368
The evil people are resorting to this specifically because normals are standing up to it. This is the slow and painful way, but it is necessary because any precedent set will be turned against people like us.

Kirk was killed to serve as a martyr to push a plan.

His jew buddies already announced Gideon AI.
Gideon AI uses Palantir IP to build and visualize social networks of anti-jew individuals.
If you look at the purpose of Palantir's IP, it's all about visualizing offline social networks to feed to kill teams to achieve specific goals.
Palantir IP was used heavily by the USDOD during their activities in Afghanistan, which lead to many civilian deaths.
Palantir IP is currently used by Israel to target people in Palestine.

Gideon from the Torah was a man empowered by the jewish god to kill a rivals of the jews, as well as amalek.
Amalek is now defined as anyone who stands against Tikun Olam.

Charlie Kirk was bankrolled at the start by a New York jew that knew his father.
"His" organization is funded heavily by Peter Thiel of Palantir fame, and pushes jew loving civic nationalism.
It isn't far-fetched to say that they built Kirk up with the intent of tearing him down.

>>397371
Can't believe it took us nearly 50 posts to get a take that was this full-blown schizo. /mlpol/ is slipping.

>>397367
as opposed to what, waiting for the concentration camps? they're advocating ethnic cleansing, the fuck you think was gonna happen when you do stochastic terrorism? hate speech isn't free speech, it's a threat. when you conspire to deny whole groups of people their human rights, they have every right to deny you of all of yours. the left just wanted healthcare like every other civilized nation, and the right answered with literal fascism, idk what you expected.

>>397372
Schizophrenics and those who pretend to be them are (((their))) strongest soldiers

>>397373
If I pretend you're funny, will you type sense for once?

>>397373
What are you on about?

>>397372
Small minds with narrow vision can't read the currents.

>>397373
>stochastic terrorism
I find it deeply ironic you would even bring this up, in a thread like this no less. According to Wikipedia, this is the definition of "stochastic terrorism" (italics are mine):

>Stochastic terrorism is a form of political violence instigated by hostile public rhetoric directed at a group or an individual. Unlike incitement to terrorism, stochastic terrorism is accomplished with indirect, vague or coded language, which grants the instigator plausible deniability for any associated violence. A key element of stochastic terrorism is the use of media for propagation, where the person carrying out the violence may not have direct connection to any other users of violent rhetoric.
This literally describes, to a T, the left's tactics over the past decade. Left-wing politicians, pundits, influencers et al whip up their left-wing screwball base with a lot of fear-mongering bullshit about how the ebil ruhpubluhcan nahtzees are going to lock them in concentration camps and genocide them and take away their rights and so forth and so on, until eventually some whackadoo decides "it's them or us" and starts shooting. It's happened numerous times before, the most recent example being the attempted assassination of Trump last year. Pending further evidence, it can be assumed that this attack on Charlie Kirk was probably something similar.

The same tactic is used to instigate riots and other types of political violence. Every time some black idiot does something stupid and then gets himself killed resisting arrest, you get the same politicians condemning "racist" police, and the same media mouthpieces gibbering about the "murder of an unarmed black man." Then, the niggers riot, except it's not really a riot, it's a "mostly peaceful protest." Occasionally with "some small fires." When ICE yeets illegal immigrants, most of them criminals and gang members, out of the country, it's presented as "unlawful deportation" of "undocumented immigrants." The agents carrying out the arrests are portrayed as gestapo-like figures. Then, riots. Except they're not really riots, they're just more "peaceful protests." The politicians and the media will condemn the violence, but they will never walk back the rhetoric unless they absolutely have to. This is literally what "stochastic terrorism" is.

In fact, this entire string of gibberish you just typed out is a perfect example of this kind of brainwashing in action. I mean, let's look at what you're on about here:

>as opposed to what, waiting for the concentration camps?
The ever-present threat of people being thrown into "concentration camps" is a favorite fear tactic of the left. We never actually see the camps, and no mainstream politician is currently attempting to use them, or is suggesting that we should use them, or has taken any action that would put their eventual usage in motion. But, you know... those camps are coming any day now; obviously no one is really safe so long as Orange Man Bad is in power. Better help yourself to some of these bricks that "somebody" just happened to stack up near the site of a planned protest. Never know when you're gonna need to chuck one at one of those hypothetical ebil nahtzees who want to put you in a hypothetical concentration camp.

>they're advocating ethnic cleansing
Who is advocating ethnic cleansing? Please be specific. Once again, you have "indirect, vague or coded language" being used by the left to imply the existence of some undefined threat. What ethnicity is being cleansed? We don't know; but it's probably one of the brown ones. Who is doing the cleansing? Well, technically nobody right now, but it could happen any day now, because, you know, Trump and Hitler and the ebil nahtzees. You know, it's like, literal fascism and whatever. Just pick up a brick, you know you want to.

>when you conspire to deny whole groups of people their human rights, they have every right to deny you of all of yours.
Again: indirect, vague blanket statements being made to imply the existence of some undefined threat. Moreover, you're now implying that the existence of an implied threat is justification for taking preemptive action. What whole groups of people are being denied their human rights? No idea, but it's probably one of the brown ones again. They might also be gay or whatever too; you can't prove that they're not. What rights are they being denied? Human ones, weren't you listening? And what are those exactly? You ask far too many questions. Just grab some bricks and start throwing them at anyone who looks like they vote Republican. Who knows, you might even hit someone who used to bully you in high school.

>the left just wanted healthcare like every other civilized nation, and the right answered with literal fascism, idk what you expected.
Yeah, I mean, come on! All we wanted was a healthcare, just one healthcare. And those mean old ebil nahtzees wouldn't even give it to us. I mean, what was Charlie Kirk expecting? Not to get shot? You can't just deny people healthcare and then take away their human rights and also ethnically cleanse them and then put their newly-cleansed ethnicities into concentration camps and expect to get away with it! I mean, come on; that's just literal fascism! Just grab a brick and get in the fucking robot, Shinji. And make sure your robot is rainbow-colored and has its battle dildo attached; you don't want to get mistaken for one of the ebil nahtzees who are using their robots to ethnically cleanse you.

>>397384
I get the feeling that every left-winger with a microphone routinely receives legal advice from lawyers and such on how to spread their violent desires without crossing the boundary in to terrorist town. If not preemptively, any lefty fag who does cross the line and instigate an attack is going to have lawyers jumping at the opportunity to defend him on the grounds of what he said being too vague to be considered a command or declaration of intent. Even if it's not vague at all, their over-stepping gets swept under the rug instantly. Remember how after Trump was shot and Jack Black (The Minecraft Steve guy) was on stage telling his concertgoers "next time don't miss" or something and somehow that was memory hole'd when it was clearly violent instigation. But ooooh no he could have been referencing someone in the crowd or something, or maybe it couldn't possibly apply to the Trump shooting because the shot technically didn't miss. Or maybe the law just willingly allows these warriors of the left to spread violent ideas to a large crowd in public.

>>397338
Honestly seems like the vest should come with a warning label that if you /only/ wear a vest this could happen. Or perhaps there's a way to design it so it doesn't rimshot upwards.

>>397387
Had it been different, he would have been shot right in the heart.

>>397290
I suspect this is a government assassination with two objectives.
1) Mr. Kirk reached his peak usefulness when Mr. Nick Fuentes was check-mating him over and over again; even Turning Point USA is now totally infiltrated by Groypers.
2) To avoid a wider public humiliation of Mr. Kirk by the Groypers and turn his unavoidable demise into a profitable political opportunity, martyrdom is the chosen solution to elevate his memory to Martin Luther King levels while using the event to prop. the manchurian candidate JD Vance for president in 2028.

>>397384
I feel like I recognize this way of writing. Nice post btw. ^^
>>397385
Yeah, it's really obnoxious. Good point.

>>397398
I know it's funny to bring up how Nick Fuentes is a fed, but it is still just a meme. He's even less relevant to the big picture than Charlie Kirk or Turning Point. In fact, I actually fucking forgot the two had a nice teatime together once.

>>397422
>How do we pull off an assassination and make the opposing ideas look bad to look us good guys???
>Oh, I know! Just write them all over the gun and bullets!
Try better, ZOG...

>>397424
If this was some 10 years ago, I would've also considered this some government or deep state conspiracy. Not much anymore.

If you thought your friendly neighborhood terrorist cell was bad, you underestimate the average walking contradiction that is the Occidental Communist.

>>397428
That's why I still can't analyze it. The whole thing is really random.

FBI release image of suspected shooter

>We are asking for the public's help identifying this person of interest in connection with the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University.
https://x.com/FBISaltLakeCity/status/1966169520403525760

>>397432
>it's a cold heart truecel zoomoid groyper
Kino

>>397433
That is surprisingly not off the table yet. Groypers like to take the accelerationist stance whenever it's memey and funny to do so. All it takes is one retard not getting the memo and doing it for real.

>>397384
I don't like the term "stochastic terrorism" because it suggests that "hateful" rhetoric is a form of actual violence, even if there's no direct incitement. I think invoking the term runs contrary to the principle of free speech.
I do agree that leftoids do it all the time, moreso than on the right, but I disagree with classifying it as "terrorism", because it would lead to legislation that would erase free speech communities like this one.
>>397373
>waiting for the concentration camps?
Nigger, the closest thing we've had to concentration camps in the past century is leftist governments locking people up en mass during COVID. You chucklefucks didn't protest then.
>they're advocating ethnic cleansing
Kirk did not advocate for ethnic cleansing.
In fact, he's been increasingly skeptical and critical of Israel in the past year.
>hate speech isn't free speech, it's a threat
"Hate speech" is absolutely free speech, you degenerate piece of shit. Expressing an opinion is very different from actually threatening someone, and they are logically and legally distinct from eachother.
>you conspire
There was no conspiracy. It was a public event. Everything he believed he said openly.
>to deny whole groups of people their human rights,
"Human rights" to you freaks is slicing off a boy's penis because you saw him playing with a unicorn doll once.
>they have every right to deny you of all of yours
Oh really, you want to go tit for tat? You think it should be okay for us to randomly murder leftists because they sent us our rights?
You won't win this fight, faggot. We're a lot more heavily armed than you.
>and the right answered with literal fascism
Lmao, you don't even know the definition of fascism.
>idk what you expected
How about you wait until the next election and present a competent candidate to win fair and square? That's what's expected. Aren't you supposed to be the "defenders of democracy"? Why can't you just win elections?
You're lashing out violently because you know you can't win in the market of ideas.

israel killed Charlie. 1) For going against them on recent agendas (like the crack down on antisemitism), as noted in a post by the info wars guy on Aug 13th on X. And 2) To start a civil war (or at least major unrest) in the US.

This is to give israel more of a death grip on the US (especially this current admin), as well as remove us and our attention from the middle east. Watch in the coming months for the atrocities that they will commit against Arab nations and people.

>>397422
>>397424
So it was probably the Heritage Foundation itself that killed him if they're pulling that. Guess he knew too many passwords or something that made him too expensive to keep quiet.

>>397448
If Israel would kill Kirk for even slightly wavering on Israel, it goes to show just how scared they are of the young right wing generation turning on them. Young leftists already want to burn Israel to the ground (for the wrong reasons), so if Israel loses support from young Republicans they will have absolutely no allies in the next generation, and furthermore their former allies will despise them.
Remember guys: if the situation were hopeless, their propaganda would not be necessary.

>>397446
Stochastic terrorism is less an issue of what words are said and more the fact that it's a malicious form of teaching. In a vacuum, sure, go off lol, go say every curse under the sky. The issue is that when you post that to the public, you as the content creator assume a soft authoritative role: the one who broadcasts information to the audience who look to you for some level of info gathering/learning. I know you know this because as these words reach your eyes you are actively parsing it, extracting meaning, comparing it to your own thoughts, incorporating the correct and attempting to rebut what you deem wrong. This is fundamentally what teachers do to students, and humans do this in daily conversation all the time, in a reciprocating orbit.

Stochastic terrorism is the abuse of this fundamental mechanism to instill in you evil and dangerous thoughts. A single irresponsible utterance from a faggot streamer or newscaster plants the idea in thousands to millions that the words/actions was in some way okay, and if you don't have previous knowledge to outright reject the notion, it gets processed and incorporates into your mind, slowly altering your perception for the worse.

TL;DR this is not an issue of free speech but the irresponsible use of it. This usually wouldn't be a problem, but we live in an age of ubiquitous information sharing and generations of people with a lack of good techings to counter bad teachings, so shit's bad.

>>397452
wtf is wrong with you, no, the issue is you can't use your human rights to deny other people their human rights. it's fundamentally not free speech because it is a threat, a threat isn't free speech. you can't "responsibly" use threats of committing extrajudicial violence, and were it to be ignored or allowed by a state you would still be justified morally in responding to it as though they were to act on those threats in self defense.

>>397446
you don't have the right to advocate against people having human rights, and should you disagree then your human rights should be denied until you change your mind. period. this is not a "both sides" issue, someone making a threat and someone defending themselves from a threat are not morally equal just because they could both use violence before the other, one is the aggressor trying to deny people their human rights.

>>397454
>human rights
That's a fictional social construct.

>>397457
Much like everything else in society?

>>397457
Then you won't mind if we all deny you yours until you change your mind.

>>397453
>you can't use your human rights to deny other people their human rights
Words do not deny you your rights.
>it is a threat, a threat isn't free speech
No. We have very clear legal definitions of what a threat is. Just because rhetoric may convince people to disagree with you does not make something a violent threat.
What did Kirk even say that was threatening?
>were it to be ignored or allowed by a state you would still be justified morally in responding to it as though they were to act on those threats in self defense
Now you see how we feel about leftist governments flooding white countries with brownoids.
I feel threatened by freaks like you trying to engineer the death of my culture and demographically dooming my people, and yet I still advocate for your disgusting, hateful rhetoric to be legal, because I value freedom of expression.
>you don't have the right to advocate against people having human rights
Actually, I do. Anyone does. It's called freedom of speech. If you believe in democracy, you should believe that whatever political opinion wins in the marketplace of ideas is in fact the correct opinion, because that's how democracy works.
You are advocating for taking away our rights to freedom of expression right now, and even though that makes me livid, it's your right to express your opinion.
>should you disagree then your human rights should be denied
You disgusting commies are all the same...
>someone making a threat and someone defending themselves
Who exactly did Kirk threaten?
>one is the aggressor trying to deny people their human rights
You are trying to take away my free speech right now. Should I kill you to prevent your ilk from taking away my rights for freedom of expression? Should I kill leftoids for advocating for taking my gun rights? Should I kill socialists for advocating for taking away my property rights?

>>397460
Seethe, commie. You resort to violent threats because you know nobody takes your sewage seriously. You try to censor and shackle those who oppose you, because you know you cannot beat them in open debate. You attack and murder those who disagree with you, because you know that the public would never side with you. You are the party of weakness and failure. That's why your kind keep losing.

>>397453
>>397454
I almost replied seriously, thinking you misunderstood what I'm saying, but I realized you're the dude who still thinks rightists are into ethnic cleansing and eating eyeballs and whatever else they're teaching youngsters these days.

So, lmao.

>>397461
Laws are words that can deny you rights, laws that begin with advocacy against human rights, which is implicitly a societal threat to conspire to deny whole categories of people their human rights. You understand this clear as fucking day if I said what if we just started advocating straight white males don't get to decide their bodily autonomy to get castrated, but it's just words right? As if words don't have meaning or power when we're talking about hate crime, a collective crime against populations, as though genocide is no longer capable of being prevented because we can't assign it to some atomized individualist framework of societal crime? Your concept of laws, morality, and crime are insufficient for anything over a mud hut campfire family tribe.

>>397460
Remember, on the same token you are just a bunch of cells.

>>397464
Damn, every time I say nigger a black dude drops dead? What a lame superpower! I'd look so uncool!

>>397466
I'm 20% sure you get your talking points from a pastor who would have you stoned.

>>397468
If you thought discussion had no power to enact change in this direction, you would shut the fuck up already.

>>397469
>you get your talking points from a pastor
Not quite.

>>397471
i'm sure europagans were well known for opposing infanticide

>>397472
Surely opposing infanticide in the own tribe, with exceptions for the defective.

>>397473
You're the defective.

>>397470
...But I ain't? What the fuck are you on about?

>>397474
>psychological projection
Are you a femoid?

>>397476
so we're at the final evolution of these kind of threads when the discussion goes from "i just wanna debate the ideas and merits" to "how can i extract some detail about this anon to dismiss what they say from their identity alone in an ad hom". no dude, i'm just better than you, you mad?

>>397478
Sure, sure.

>>397478
Considering your core argument is "Charlie Kirk deserved it" and your substantiation boils down to "because he and his kind are an existential threat", please do forgive me for not taking a single letter of your's seriously.

LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE PLEASE

The cannibal negro devours its slave for sustenance

>>397481
Oops phone farted

Glad people (niggers) care so much about their own

My live reaction

>>397484
Best part of this movie is the only two people that are nice, decent humans to him he can’t bring himself to kill. Charlie was a good guy, he even loved his roastie, aren’t you proud? Was there more to life than this?
>uh, would you stop acting so concerned? Are you fucking crying? HAHAHAHA

>>397438
Yes, Trump constructed a facility in Florida for detaining illegal immigrants so they can be held for deportation. Did you have a point you were trying to make?

>>397454
>this is not a "both sides" issue, someone making a threat and someone defending themselves from a threat are not morally equal just because they could both use violence before the other, one is the aggressor trying to deny people their human rights.
Agree completely; this is why I believe that it makes far more sense to toss leftists out of helicopters than to waste time trying to argue with them.

>>397478
My dude, every contribution you've made to this conversation so far has been broad generalizations and hypotheticals. There are no ideas or merits to debate here, because you haven't presented any. I mean, take a look at this:

>>397464
>Laws are words that can deny you rights, laws that begin with advocacy against human rights, which is implicitly a societal threat to conspire to deny whole categories of people their human rights. You understand this clear as fucking day if I said what if we just started advocating straight white males don't get to decide their bodily autonomy to get castrated, but it's just words right? As if words don't have meaning or power when we're talking about hate crime, a collective crime against populations, as though genocide is no longer capable of being prevented because we can't assign it to some atomized individualist framework of societal crime? Your concept of laws, morality, and crime are insufficient for anything over a mud hut campfire family tribe.
This is a whole lot of words just to say absolutely fucking nothing. If you're making any kind of a point at all, it seems to be that random acts of purposeless violence are justified if the perpetrator feels threatened, regardless of whether or not an actual threat exists, or can even be plausibly suggested to exist. So, basically... you're advocating for the right of random schizos to attack random people for reasons that only make sense to them? Because if not, I have no idea what you're advocating for.

This is why all your blathering about "human rights" is disingenuous. You refuse to concretely define what rights you think a person has and doesn't have, and you refuse to define what a violation of them would actually entail. "Charlie Kirk was somehow violating the "human rights" of some undefined person or persons in some undefined way, which seems to somehow involve the use of non-existent concentration camps and "genocide" against unspecified genoses, therefore he forfeited his own human right to not be murdered, therefore his murder was justified because reasons." That is the closest thing to a point I've been able to extract from everything you've posted in this thread so far.

Honestly, this guy sums it up pretty succinctly:
>>397480
>Considering your core argument is "Charlie Kirk deserved it" and your substantiation boils down to "because he and his kind are an existential threat", please do forgive me for not taking a single letter of your's seriously.

>>397486
>I believe that it makes far more sense to toss leftists out of helicopters than to waste time trying to argue with them
So true, so true.

>>397454
Do you realize that noponer here gives a flying hay about the zog golem Kirk???

>>397492
I care.
This will prove to be an inflexion point. A change the 'left' can't walk back from.
They hired an assassin, and that will become plain in time.
The murdecrats who arranged this will not escape, however long it takes.

>>397491
Allende was more of a man than you'll ever be, bootlicker.

>>397493
>The murdecrats who arranged this will not escape, however long it takes.
Dude!!! Antifa is a jewish militia hand in glove with the FBI. It is absurd that the same perpetrators will snitch on themselves. Expect a patsy instead.

>>397480
Your word choice betrays you.
"his kind"? so you're trying to pretend you're defending a "kind" when the issue is his actions, not his demographic. this is why right wing thinking is so stupid, you still can't figure out that people don't hate you for existing, they hate you for being a fucking inhuman eugenicist genocidal lunatic and then turning around to say "well you just call everyone a nazi" -- no the fuck they don't, you're just BEING a nazi, advocating nazi policy, doing nazi actions, supporting other nazis, platforming nazi speakers as if they deserve equal consideration.

He got what he gave, karma, he "deserved" worse but a crime against humanity by an individual can only receive a finite punishment in this life. Hell awaits him, good riddance.

Veins are blue because they carry water

It’s a scientific confirmation bias that they carry blood, blood is soaked into everything in your body, cut a piece of skin and blood also comes out, the veins

Are blue

Because they carry water

>>397496
>natzi natzi natzi natzi
Buzzwords don't work any longer and paradoxically, it is cool to be a real nazi now.
Adapt fren, your future is NatSoc.

>>397501
Loosen up anon, just shitpost and have fun. Would you?

>>397494
>accuses anon of ad hominems
>"hurr durr ur a bootlicker"

>>397501
So does this mean you're only being retarded ironically?

>>397503
ad hom means used in place of an argument, not in addition to one, bootlicker

>>397504
You are overthinking it too much. What about if you relax and enjoy the ride like everyponer else?
Rigidity only will hurt you.

>>397454
>You ideology is a threat to human rights, imo
>Therefore, you don't deserve human rights
>until you convert to my ideology
>Join us or die!
Right. ^^

>>397506
There's no such thing as neutral on a moving train.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNTQ8oDsUos

>>397505
>bootlicker
>bootlicker
>bootlicker
>ur a bootlicker
>look mom, I called him a bootlicker again
Nuh uh. You're a bootlicker, bootlicker.

>>397505
>bootlicker
Do you know where you are? There are no admirers for order followers or the zog state here. You are being too provincial. Lurk moar.

>>397511
Speak for yourself; I, for one, love the flavor of boots.

>>397506
Mate, he's arguing that a dude that goes around dunking on students with mere conversation deserved to fucking die. His sense of humor is psychotic at best, assuming it's all some strange shitposting.

>>397512
>for one, love the flavor of boots
I know, I know.

>>397511
I was here when the board started. There's probably art I drew floating around here. I helped with the rules of the board before this website even existed. I know exactly where I am, the subculture it came from, and it's not any different than it was before. And you're wrong, capitalism and fascism are not distinctly independent things, private property ownership of the means of production requires force, fascism requires force, these are not ideas in a vacuum - even if you don't realize the inherent unjust order at the root of all right wing politics.

>>397480
This. Like the guy uses so many big words, but doesn't explain what Kirk even did that was a threat to human rights, and why he therefore deserved to be killed.
>>397488
This.
> This is why all your blathering about "human rights" is disingenuous. You refuse to concretely define what rights you think a person has and doesn't have, and you refuse to define what a violation of them would actually entail.

>>397515
>fascism
By definition, it is the merge of the State with the corporations. It has nothing to do with authoritarian rule as commies pretend to ignore. All which points at the commie's dishonesty, under democrat's rule, they never complained about fascism.

>>397517
You don't even understand your own objection, they don't "merge", the end result of Capitalism is a Monopoly of not just one industry but every industry and that Monopoly becomes the State when it's close enough to be seized by force because the only laws that matter are the ones you can enforce. The people become property of the State, the State becomes "The Sovereign", the enslavement of the populous. You become property of Amazon, your life is as cattle in service of the corporation that is now the State. You're maintained as a slave to the extent that you service the State. The state after enacting colonialism internally seeks to expand it externally, making unprovoked war against the world to finalize the Monopoly of global domination of the one corporation over the globe. It is inherently a warmongering ideology, Mussolini admits it outright in the Origins and Doctrine of Fascism. Along with the idea that fascism cannot be atheistic, the core idea must be rooted in Idealism and the "Mystical Truth" - the idea that there's no such thing as a material reality, and if the facts of reality contradict the mystical truth then facts be damned. You're not going to out-nerd me on Fascism, I was arguing it better than you probably before you even heard about it.

>>397520
>they don't "merge"
Exhibit "A": the USA government.
Corporations in the States have a heavier political weight than the government itself.
Policies and laws are derived from the oligarch's whims, not the lawmakers, which are simple figures tasked to rubber stamp them.
Just saying.

>>397517
It's a bit more nuanced than that, but I generally agree with the sentiment. Fascism is an alternative to socialism, and if implemented can actually mean less regulation overall, because companies operated by trade unions led by party members would have the unions keeping the corporations in line, and the party keeping the unions in line.
>>397520
They don't "merge". The nation incorporates the private sector through unions. Unions are a vehicle of corporatism. This ensures that the private sector advances the priorities of the people at large, while still remaining private and independent.
>the end result of Capitalism is a Monopoly of not just one industry but every industry and that Monopoly becomes the State when it's close enough to be seized by force because the only laws that matter are the ones you can enforce
Fascism was created to address that problem exactly. Fascists prevent private companies from amassing power by incorporating them into nationalist parties, and fascist unions make sure that those companies treat their workers well while also producing goods for the public.
>The people become property of the State, the State becomes "The Sovereign", the enslavement of the populous.
Literally the opposite, lol.
Fascists build walls to keep people out. Communists build walls to lock people in, because communist countries are basically just prisons.
>You become property of Amazon
I'm a fascist country, we would have already hung Bezos.
>All the rest
This is all just cartoonish Hollywood buzzwords. Ask about what fascism is from a person who is an actual fascist, it read the papers published by the founders of the original fascist parties.

>>397522
The USA is not fascist, lol. It's just capitalist.
If anything, the USA is the opposite of fascism, since US corporations have incorporated the nation for their means, instead of the other way around.
>Policies and laws are derived from the oligarch's whims, not the lawmakers, which are simple figures tasked to rubber stamp them.
That's cronyism/corruption. It exists in all economic systems.

>>397520
>You're not going to out-nerd me on Fascism
Oh really? You don't even seem to understand the difference between fascism, national Socialism, and just general totalitarianism.

>>397520
>You become property of Amazon
>You're maintained as a slave to the extent that you service the State
>The state after enacting colonialism internally seeks to expand it externally, making unprovoked war against the world to finalize the Monopoly of global domination of the one corporation over the globe
Look mom, more hypotheticals with zero examples.

>>397527
Totalitarianism is an equivocating term to pretend Marxism and Fascism are equally bad, something you'll only really hear in CIA produced propaganda when trying to cover Marxism when it's unavoidable at the same time as dismissing it as unthinkable and bad. National Socialism is Fascism as manifested in Germany for Germans, unique to that time and drawing from a hyperreality version of German history and Aryan mythmaking. Fascism overall is Capitalism's response to Socialism by discarding Democracy when it starts working against them, the ideology is somewhat amorphous to that end but the most common feature is palingenetic ultranationalism aka "true fascism". Now you come up with your own definitions or fuck off.

>>397530
Boy, you type so much I almost forgot you're still trying to convince the class that Charlie Kirk deserved to die for the unforgivable sin of talking to people.

>>397529
Volksgemeinschaft (post-1920's evolved meaning) for Germany.
"All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state" for Italy.
There is no true personal autonomy under fascism, you're property of the State, necessarily. I don't know what more you want me to spoon feed you on this, just study the subject more. They don't market it as that explicitly, but that is the consequences of it, and in every manifestation. I'm not sure what you find unbelievable about that, it's fascism. What did you think it meant, a birthday party?

AAAAAAAAAAA I HAD A +6K CHARACTER POST REBUKING THE LEFTOID AT EVERY STEP, BUT I ACCIDENTALLY REFRESHED THE PAGE! FUUUCK!
I'm demoralized. I'm going to bed.

>>397532
>There is no true personal autonomy under fascism, you're property of the State, necessarily.
Same in the States. From the hoaxdemia, it is your body and the State's choice, and all covidians agreed.

>>397531
we get it, you're illiterate.
want me to jingle some keys?

>>397534
Goodnight poner.

>>397371
There's an incredible amount to add. This video gets into some of Kirk's (((friends))):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMeMnGWTas0

>>397372
>always screeching about "schizos"
>glass house
>zero self-reflection
Yet you somehow manage to consistently be found at the bottom of numerous slippery slopes. Oh gee, I wonder WHY that is.

>>397415
Point #1: a majority of Nick's friends are pro-military industrial complex shareholders and plenty of who's who former (((intelligence))) assets.
Point #2: he LOVES hosting people with "conservative military views".
Add them together. Plenty of others use the exact same divide and conquer plan that Fuentes is paid to, like Glenn Beck, possibly the biggest ultra-ziocuck shabbest goy.

>>397532
>>397530
>Now you come up with your own definitions
Not him, but I already expressed my take on fascism about using trade unions to reign in the private sector and accomplish national goals while preserving the liberty of private enterprise. If that's not fascism, idk what it is. I've been a fascist for over a decade now, and I know the basis of it requires strong unions and organized labor to combat corporate kikes who would use their economic power to subvert the nation.
>discarding Democracy
I consider myself a democratic fascist, because popular support is important for unilateral change.
>Totalitarianism is an equivocating term to pretend Marxism and Fascism are equally bad, something you'll only really hear in CIA produced propaganda
I agree. Marxism is infinitely worse than fascism.
>National Socialism is Fascism as manifested in Germany for Germans
Not at all. National Socialism is a philosophy, while fascism is an administrative structure. The Third Reich just happened to be National Socialist AND fascist at the same time.
>>397532
>you're property of the State
Funny, it's only ever been communist countries who built walls to trap their people inside.
When the Berlin Wall fell, which side did people run towards?
Fascists DO consider the average citizen to have a civic responsibility to contribute to society and work towards national goals, but they are never considered to be property of the state. Fascists build walls to keep people out, but only communists build walls to keep people in.
>I don't know what more you want me to spoon feed you on this, just study the subject more.
I have been studying fascism for more than a decade. Maybe it's you who should read more about fascism, from the perspective of actual fascists.

Anyways, I have to sleep. I had a long-winded rebuke of all of your posts, but I'm too tired to tired to retype it.

>>397276
https://x.com/NickJFreitas/status/1965927877926432868
Day of the rope.

>>397559
>It's a war between diametrically opposed worldviews which cannot peacefully coexist with one another.
Anti-Whites agree.

>>397563
Wtf, Joe Rogan isn't even right wing. He's a centrist. He was considered to be a liberal 4 years ago.

>>397541
>This video gets into some of Kirk's (((friends))):
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMeMnGWTas0
Thanks for the link.

>>397564
He was listed as part of the "intellectual dark web" of "the alt-right" several years ago.
Those people are fully propagandized just like the ardent, emotional, Kirk supporters.

>>397559
When they take out Fuentes, the same puff piece will be written about how he was just a poor innocent little boy who never hurt a fly, even though he spent over a decade advocating another holocaust. And nobody will remember Hyde any more than they remember CommonFilth. Stochastic terrorism has consequences, whether you think it should or not.

>>397566
If you think anyone to the right of Kirk, a soft moderate, deserves to be murdered, you're calling your the death of half the country. You are the most extreme, murderous person in this thread.

>>397566
Also Fuentes is an actual fed asset. I wouldn't care if he died. A Mexican homo mutt with AIDS thinks he's qualified to tell white people what to do with their lives. Pathetic.
I certainly don't support mass censorship and murder like you though.

>>397566
I dunno, it seems even more heinous to shoot a faggot for trolling. I think only groypers really take the guy serious, and even that is debatable cuz they're all one big moshpit scheming new exotic ways to push your buttons. SPECIFICALLY your buttons.

>>397568
Human rights aren't up for debate. Never were. Never will be. I doesn't matter how essential you make it to your identity that you just "must deny other people their human rights", that's your problem and you're not immune to the consequences of that choice.

>>397571
>Human rights aren't up for debate
Yeah, like freedom of speech. It doesn't stop you people from trying to take it away.
Also, what human rights was Kirk Denton people anyway? What did he say that warranted murder?
I've asked this question three times in this thread already, and you keep avoiding it. What was so extreme that he said that was an afront to humanity and demanded his immediate death?
>you're not immune to the consequences of that choice.
Neither are you, bro. Do you think you're the only one with bullets here?

>>397572
>Denton
*denying

Since we're on the topic of what is in essence left wing extremism, figured it might be worth dropping this in the thread for people to read
https://status451.com/2017/01/20/days-of-rage/

>>397574
Thanks.

>>397572
Hate Speech is fundamentally not Free Speech the same as Threats are not Free Speech. Genocide - just like murder - is not covered under Free Speech, both in execution or declaration. You're just wrong about what you think Free Speech can mean while still preserving Human Rights, because an idea of Free Speech that includes Hate Speech is violating Human Rights.

Funny how leftist lunatics think they can intimidate people with violence, when all their violence accomplishes is emboldening people against them.

>>397576
>goes around talking to people
>this is a threat that warrants getting sniped from 100m away
I'm not really sure I want to compute this. It's obvious the perception needed to make it make sense will damage my mind very severely.

>>397578
You mean besides actively supporting a genocide?

>>397576
>Hate Speech is fundamentally not Free Speech
Actually, it is. Legally and logically.
Also, Kirk wasn't saying any "hate speech". He's not even an extremist. He's a softcore moderate.
>Threats are not Free Speech
This is true. A threat is a threat.
>Genocide
It's (YOU) who is advocating for murdering half the country here.
>You're just wrong about what you think Free Speech can mean while still preserving Human Rights
I have 250 years of judicial precedent and the founding fathers federalist papers on my side. I am confident in my understanding of free speech?
Don't like it? Try moving to a country without it, lime the UK, where the cops will knock on your door for saying you want less immigration on Twitter.
>>397579
What is the genocide?
If you're talking about Gaza, he's been distancing himself from Israel for the past year. He was leading young Republicans away from Zionism, which was the only reason I was begining to have a shred of respect for him.
You lunatics just sabotaged the movement away from Zionism among young Americans on the right.

>>397579
You serious? Lemme laugh at you harder. BRB.

>>397579
What "genocide" are you talking about? Be specific. What did he say?

>>397574
I literally used this as one of my sources in a research paper examining the Weather Underground Movement. They used all the momentum SDS built peacefully and wasted it on radical actions trying to take control of the New Left. It blew up in their faces multiple times and the leaders had to find scapegoat after scapegoat. The titular Days of Rage was a laughable affair where they rioted in Chicago for a day, then the police cracked down on them HARD.

>>397576
You just keep repeating the same buzzwords and generalizations over and over no matter what anyone says to you. I'll try to word this as simply and directly as I can, since you seem to have poor reading comprehension.

Please answer the following questions:

1. What did Charlie Kirk actually say that you consider to be "hate speech?"

2. Who, exactly, are the victims of this "genocide" you keep bringing up and how was Charlie Kirk involved?

3. Whose human rights did Charlie Kirk violate and how?

If I don't see a villainous signoff later tonight, libshit anon is officially impotent and has no testes.

>>397586
People can pretend not to understand what everyone is saying until karma catches up. That's the gamble you make with psuedo-ironic cryptofascism. Just because you wanna plausible-deniability dog-whistle just-asking-questions your way into power doesn't mean there's no counter response. And you're not gonna gotcha-moment your way out of it either, no matter how many college students you "totally own in the halls of debate".

>>397599
>what did he say?
>oh, y'all are just pretending to not know
I'm truly floored. Well done asshole.

>>397580
>"i read the federalist papers"
And? You think human rights originate from the federalist papers? something something UK-whataboutism, great argument human rights defeated etc etc.

You're still wrong, hate speech is necessarily incompatible with human rights which is why it's not part of a valid understanding of free speech. You don't have the right to advocate a holocaust or other such hate crimes or denial of human rights to minorities. It takes zero effort to explain this to anyone who hasn't been indoctrinated to believe the opposite, because the straightforward meaning of the words are self sufficient.

>>397599
Why don't you just answer the question?
>cryptofascism
I'm the other thread you insisted that I was not a fascist, but fascist, but now you're calling us all fascists again? Which is it?
>People can pretend not to understand what everyone is saying until karma catches up
Everyone is asking you to say what it is you mean on those points. Why can't you just say what you mean?
You were asked three questions in a simple format. Can you please just answer them so that we can be done with this? Stop wasting our time and answer the questions.
>And you're not gonna gotcha-moment your way out of it either, no matter how many college students you "totally own in the halls of debate".
This is just dripping with seethe. Time to dilate.
>>397603
It's all so tiresome.
>>397605
Answer the three simple questions here >>397586 then we can move onto the next subject.
The rest of us have made an effort to engage with your deranged arguments. The least you can do is answer some questions.

>>397606
I screwed up this post, but I'm tired and too lazy to correct it.
The faggot has the next 7 hours to answer three simple questions while I sleep.

>>397603
Nobody is backing up anymore to play along with people pretending not to understand, the gaslighting doesn't work. The serfs aren't waiting on the monarch to realize the error of his ways or hoping to explain the nuances of the suffering he causes his subjects as if he shouldn't already know, they're just getting out the The French Farewell. I'm not prescribing anything, I'm telling you the reality of the situation. If you just wanna "Let them eat cake" about it, that's your prerogative.

>>397609
Three questions. Answer them.

>>397611
Reading comprehension, get some.

>>397612
Why can't you answer three basic questions? You keep evading them. You could answer those questions in three sentences. Stop wasting everyone's time.

>>397612
Enough baloney. You made some incendiary statements and anons ask you for clarification.
Be sport and honor the request.

>>397599
>People can pretend not to understand what everyone is saying until karma catches up. That's the gamble you make with psuedo-ironic cryptofascism. Just because you wanna plausible-deniability dog-whistle just-asking-questions your way into power doesn't mean there's no counter response. And you're not gonna gotcha-moment your way out of it either, no matter how many college students you "totally own in the halls of debate".
Wow. I mean, I wasn't expecting much from you at this point, but... I thought you'd at least be able to answer one of those questions.

>>397612
My reading comprehension is telling me that you are intentionally evading the specifics of this argument because you're a direction-brain who thinks everyone even remotely right wing deserves to be shot, so you just assumed that Kirk must have been a genocidal extremist who spouted hate-driven rhetoric just because that is the image you have of moderate conservative activists in your head.
I, no, we, have you the benefit of the doubt and gave you the opportunity to explain your position and provide examples, but your evasiveness on the specifics is quite telling.

>>397615
>>397616
>>397618
I do not owe any of you a reframing of the discussion or getting in the weeds for you to find any opportunity to nitpick some pedantry. You can cry for twenty more replies if you want, I said plenty to make my position clear and you simply don't want to address that so you're looking for something else to to dump your talking-points into a conversation-funnel.

>>397632
>I said plenty to make my position clear
Pure anti-White hatred. That was clear to me.

>>397632
Why should we take you seriously if you can't answer three basic questions? Nobody is "reframing" anything. We asked you three questions to provide an appropriate context for your claim.
>I said plenty to make my position clear
No, you really didn't. You didn't say what the hate speech was, who is being genocided, or what Kirk said to deserve being shot. Without that context, nobody can really tell what your position is.
>so you're looking for something else to to dump your talking-points into a conversation-funnel
The fuck is that even supposed to mean?
Just answer the questions.

>>397632
Why are yo even replying if you're not interested in engaging with this community in a civil discussion? You are wasting everyone's time.

>>397638
Civil discussion is pretending to not know what genocide is going on, got it. Everyone who doesn't play stupid with you is just anti-white. Is this the game you wanted to play, are you happy now? Maybe I should rephrase the same point I made multiple times in this thread just because I didn't put it into the Jeopardy format you wanted. Or how about spend four more paragraphs explaining why you're being obtuse by pretending hate crimes aren't real so long as there's no direct and specific calls against specific individuals, which completely misunderstands the dynamics involved in a hate crime. Or maybe I should re-re-re-explain why Hate Speech is necessarily not included in Free Speech because it violates Human Rights the same as threats against individuals.

>>397641
>is pretending to not know what genocide is going on
White Genocide.

>>397641
You didn't need to pump out a hundred theses and a thousand dissertations to say "I don't have the answer", but your mental illness has been morbidly amusing so far, so go off I guess.

>>397642
Interracial marriage isn't genocide. White South Africans no longer being allowed to do apartheid isn't genocide. Someone speaking spanish at the food court isn't genocide. You're not oppressed for being white, you're oppressed by Capital, you just blame it on powerless minorities because they're more immediately available to you than billionaires.

>>397646
We want freedom of association and self determination. If Whites are so hateful and despicable, surely most races will agree to let us break free.

>>397647
They do all the time, there's plenty of white trash trailer parks and three digit sundown towns. The problems you're facing aren't the existence of minorities, it's that you're not part of the capitalist class. No amount of ethnic cleansing is going to fix capitalism.

>>397648
>capitalism.
Let the coins aside. This is about blood and soil.

>>397632
>>397641
>>397646
>>397648

All snark aside, this is about the response I was expecting. This discussion has pretty much gone the same way as every other conversation I've ever had or tried to have with a leftist online. You can't answer questions about specifics because you don't think in rational terms; all of your political views come from your emotions. You don't think that Charlie Kirk deserved to die because of anything he actually said or did, it's because he's part of this vaguely-defined amorphous blob of "oppression" that you channel all of your rage into.

You read worthless, discredited "theory" written over a century ago by clowns like Marx and Lenin because it validates your resentment of people more stable and successful than you, and gives you buzzwords you can assemble into salads and lob at strangers online. When nobody can parse your gibberish you take it as a sign that you're smarter than your audience and that you're somehow winning. I've had this same exact conversation a thousand times with a thousand other angry retards; you're neither unique nor interesting.

Here is a protip for you: if you and enough other angry, unstable losers decide to take the law into your own hands, you might get the "revolution" you're hoping for. If the ebil cabidalist oppressur nahtzees don't take the threat you pose seriously enough, there's a chance you might even win. This is why I'm hoping Trump has enough sense to send the Marines to stomp your face in at the first sign of trouble. I'm stocking up on popcorn in case he does. However, even if you do win, it won't actually solve any of your problems. You will be just as miserable and poor after the glorious revolution as you were before it, because your problems are internal, not external.

>>397651
So what you're saying is the common denominator in you not having a productive discussion is your personal inability to understand what people are saying, so you repeatedly ask stupid questions that show exactly that and then declare victory.

>>397655
If that's what you choose to take away from what I said, I suppose there's not much I can do about it.

>>397658
When you get a chance you should actually study what happened with the democratically elected Salvador Allende and the foreign capitalist CIA backed coup, spoiler alert: Pinochet is not the good guy. If America was so sure socialism was going to fail on its own, they wouldn't always bend over backwards to sanction to death and commit war crimes against anyone globally who tried.

>>397661
>spoiler alert: Pinochet is not the good guy.
Agree. As most military, they are career animals and their retirement depends of carefully dancing among politicians and oligarchs.

>>397661
I actually know very little about Pinochet himself, I'm just a fan of his policy of throwing leftists from helicopters. Sooner or later the fuel pays for itself, if you haven't heard.

>If America was so sure socialism was going to fail on its own, they wouldn't always bend over backwards to sanction to death and commit war crimes against anyone globally who tried.
As far as this goes, socialism invariably will fail on its own sooner or later. Even when it more or less works the way it's supposed to, it's essentially a policy of taking wealth from the productive and dividing it up amongst the productive and the unproductive alike. The unproductive will just squander whatever you give them and remain poor, and the productive no longer have an incentive to produce, because any profits will be gobbled up by the state and given to morons. So eventually everyone just ends up with an equal share of nothing.

However, this can still take a very long time; the Soviet Union endured for about 70 miserable years, which is roughly a human lifespan. If you could go back in time and prevent all of that suffering just by tossing a few retards out of a helicopter... it would practically be a >muh human rights violation not to do it.

Now me personally, I've never approved of the US government's policy of meddling in the affairs of other countries and staging color revolutions, regardless of what the reasons are. I'm in favor of just bulking up our own defense and letting third-world dumpster fires burn themselves out on their own. However, I can also see Nixon's point of view at the time. The spread of Communism as an ideology and the Soviet Union as a geopolitical power was seen as a legitimate threat. Ultimately the Soviets proved to be a paper tiger, but they were a fairly convincing one for awhile, and socialism in any form is basically cancer for economies. I can understand the desire to yeet out Allende and nip a potential problem in the bud, and it's not like anything of value was lost.

>>397664
>Even when it more or less works the way it's supposed to, it's essentially a policy of taking wealth from the productive and dividing it up amongst the productive and the unproductive alike. The unproductive will just squander whatever you give them and remain poor, and the productive no longer have an incentive to produce, because any profits will be gobbled up by the state and given to morons.
Very well explained but I'm afraid the commies are not interested in it. As most sofa revolutionaries, they are parasitical lazy asses who expect the proletariat do the heavy lifting for them while they watch from the distance and loot the profit for themselves.

>>397665
Oh I'm very well aware of that, at this point I'm just having fun dunking on this retard because he's already made it clear that he's not interested in having a serious discussion about anything, and he's not going to shut up.

There's actually a very interesting essay by Julius Evola called "The Advent of the Fifth Estate". Ignoring all of the esoteric stuff Evola usually writes about, his overall social theory is basically that Marx got it backwards: instead of society evolving from feudalism into capitalism into communism through periodic revolution, it's actually a descending process. Priest-kings were deposed by warrior-kings, who were then deposed by the merchant class, who were then deposed by the workers; it's basically a race to the bottom.

His complete ideas are beyond the scope of the discussion here, but as far as this essay goes, he posits that after the workers' revolution comes the revolution of the absolute lowest caste, which is basically beggars, criminals, the insane, and so forth. Oddly prescient, given that the modern far left has completely spurned the working class at this point. Now it's basically a coalition of deranged street people, various types of diversity, and baristas with college degrees who think that putting in 15 hours a week at Starbucks and sponging off your parents makes you a "proletariat."

Ok, looks like there was a classic left-right fight, the same thing I predict could happen in a more radical and violent form in america if these assassinatios continue.
>>397330
Anyway, can someone here explain exactly how ZOG is going to argue that Iran had a reason to assassinate this guy??
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/charlie-kirk-iran-war-lindsey-graham-b2773944.html

https://rumble.com/v5zyh8q-charlie-kirk-shares-impressive-facts-about-iran-and-iranian-immigrants.html
These videos are becoming viral in my country.

>>397667
there was a claim a year ago by some american governor that their recent research shows that iran was actually behind 9/11.
these pedo motherfuckers will change the goal post whenever they needing it.

>>397664
>>397665
>>397666
this is all just more meme politics nonsense, there's no serious discussion to be had here. the things you advocate you don't even study enough to know what they're about, and the things you oppose you can't even accurately describe. btw Evola was just starting with the conclusion that he wanted a caste-system like India had and working his way backwards into an ad hoc justification because a caste is the most entrenched and explicit unjust societal hierarchy, and the esoteric nonsense is essential to that invalidation of any materialist analysis. because his goal is ensuring the survival of Capitalism through Fascism, and making as many barriers to Marxism as possible no matter how ridiculous - like schizo spirituality and birth castes - you're just advocating your own enslavement. You will never be the top caste, that's reserved for the capitalists who already control the society you hate.

>>397667
>Anyway, can someone here explain exactly how ZOG is going to argue that Iran had a reason to assassinate this guy?
It is an israeli bot posting non-sense most likely. Ignore it.

>>397670
>>397667
cool story ziobot, you forgot to change your vpn location

Remember to be a good goy

>>397672
I know, especially since it's a meme-flag. But on twitter, the (((david star))) people are reacting more than the americans themselves. They're probably trying to appropriate Kirk's idea and reshape it into a form they like so it benefits them.
>>397673
Have you ever know there's two iranians, retarded?
If you're new here, please shut up and lurk to know that.

>>397672
israeli bot or nah , they can change the narrative to whatever fuck they want and waste is gullible enough to believe it.
>>397673
welcome to the site my average paranoid coo coo retard

>>397675
[sorry OP if this is not related]
okay took me long to find it but we're not the only iranians in this site.
https://mlpol.net/mlpol/archive/239186#242101
it is from /sg/ era of syrian refugees , i was searching ''iran'' in search bar , and i found bunch of middle easterners

>>397641
>genocide
Which genocide? Are you talking about Gaza?

>>397673
Nobody here supports Zionism, faggot.
Answer the questions.

>>397671
>there's no serious discussion to be had here
We tried to take you seriously. We asked you three basic questions. You refused to answer them for unclear reasons. We all actually wanted to hear your opinions on the matter, but you refuse to tell us.
How are we supposed to be serious with you if you won't even answer our questions? You won't even meet us halfway, and yet you demand to be respected.

>>397683
Press Conference to start soonTM

>LIVE: Officials hold press briefing on search for Charlie Kirk’s killer
https://youtu.be/CiS5wXfXiKs

>>397422
Holy shit it's like no one at the Daily Mail has seen a bullet before. This is on par with people that think AR stands for Assult Rifle.

>>397692
The writing on the casings had nothing to do with the stamp. It was actual writing.

>>397692
How the fuck did you manage to compress this png so badly?

>see you in valhalla brother
Holy fucking kek

>>397694
Online dithering tool (dither-me-this by doodads.dev) on 6-bit RGB, then android ffshare will cut it down another 30% if I'm on phone.

>>397696 (me)
doodad.dev*, not doodads

>He lives in a $600,000 six-bedroom home in Washington, Utah - about 260 miles south of Kirk's assassination in Orem.
>Cox says some of the inscriptions include: "Hey fascist! Catch!", "o bella ciao, bella ciao" and "if you read this you are gay lmao".
More than looking like an average angry leftist, he comes off like some cocky rich kid with no real problems who just likes mocking everyone and treats politics like a video game.

>>397694
That's like every meme these days. Powerful computers, 4k video everywhere, yet pics look like that and video looks like it was shot on a 90s flip phone.

>the bullet kirk was shot with had "OwO" written on it
HOLY FUCKING KEKKKKK

>>397700
Troons are speedrunning their own genocide.

>>397703
uwu

>>397700
kek holy shit that caught me off guard.

>>397698
Being a retarded /pol/troll doesn't really lead to fucking calculated murder. Somehow, some way, the guy got radicalized in leftist spaces, under his parents' noses. I reckon it was discord grooming, he's barely an adult.

>>397709
Yeah, probably. Either way, if his parents were so useless they didn't notice their kid being brainwashed, they deserve to lose him.

some random comment that is weirdly accurate.

>>397719
it's a lenin quote ☭