>>258518Indeed. Every medication is an individual choice. Not being vaccinated won't make you a threat to anyone else. Even if you are not, if you have an healthy lifestyle, don't go into zimbabwé or all kind of shithole, if you don't do anything dangerous like drinking water from a river after a flood, or going outside in winter with just a t-shirt while it's raining, you sure will get more than a cold. So it's a story of common sense.
anecdotal but still fun from a colleague, Alain, a CGTist who always complain and moralizes everyone in the box, and also who's pro-vax : «Hey I heard you didn't get your flu shot this year, no wonder why you're sick, what angers me is that you're calling in sick as it could have been avoided haha!»
Me: «It's snake oil, and does not protects you as much using Norton 2002 pack to secure the unix cloud server»
The next day he got the flu himself. He called everyone at work/HR claiming he's agonizing and shit on the hospital not wanting to take him into ER, like he's got a cancer or something «I'm the victim of passive smoking! This is all that pollution and the abestos in the building!» all kind of shit or even claimed I'm contagious of something.
Was just on a webex meeting comfy on my bed. I was back to work the next monday, all fine after staying warm a few days, but he survived. He never talked about this again.
Yes, we are responsible of our own bodies and security. Vaccination is a method, but that's ommitting the thousands means of prevention. Drinking one glass of wine per day at dinner don't make anyone alcoholic but prevents a LOT of shit. Diet is also important. Activity too. Being exposed to all kind of germs also strengthen the immune system drastically. Louis Pasteur demonstrated this and stated it is all as important.
A farmer will live longer than a guy on an aseptized office all the time. That's a fact. Immune system works like this, otherwise we would have never made it past bacterial lifeform.
>>258536Perhaps, and certainly, I'm not a psychiatrist or neuroscientist, maybe also some forms of autistm are triggered by aluminium or mercury in injections of vaccines or antibiotics or other kind of medecines, or even environmental factors, contamination to a lot of stuff, and that's still valid.
Skeptism works for both affirmations.
Getting into autism spectrum is like going into gender spectrum and ends into pseudoscience, it is still a mental illness.
That's fun cause there's a bias, when seeing stats about global warming:
«There is a correlation between global warming and human activity» okay the stats ressembles it but not a proof. This perfectly suits the Milankowitch cycles.
A small part of the change is due to human activity, 99% other factors are natural and can not be controlled.
«There is a correlation between vaccines and autism» okay there are cases. but not a sufficient proof, let's bring studies.
A small portion of the incrase, 0,02% say is induced by vaccination. «That's nothing that's a part of the risk»
let's see the big picture, there is a tougher correlation on a X population vaccinated with adjuvants in coutries this is authorized with mental illnesses, endocrine syndromes and other mental problems.
«But the doses are nothing»
No, the doses are not nothing, because they add up to many other environmental factors. That's a part that the CDC and WHO are drowning with biased stats on perfect candidates for observation, without any external factors. May it be in form of pesticide, industrial activity, pollution, contamination or natural presence of mercury or aluminium, soil contamination, flame retardants.
This is the whole bias that allow them to shamelessly claim that «it's not vaccine's fault» while the shit they put in vaccines to keep their formula patented and nothing else is totally a factor, like comparing the microdose of mercury you eat in sea fish, versus the dose you get from a useless "flu shot" or any vaccine containing thimerosal. By a factor of a million times higer.
Merck with the HPV vaccine Gardasil is responsible of causing people with severe hadicaps and plaque sclerosis, that's a fact. Same for the levothyrox.
Sanofi and the Dengvaxia, the vaccine killed more kids than the dengue.
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Reports and data, that's the scientific method, and it does exposes dysfunctionment and several cases where vaccines causes issues in patients
https://www.canal-u.tv/video/canal_u_medecine/cif_vaccinologie_2011_fabrication_et_controle_des_vaccins.7080Hepatitis B also caused issues in neurology and psychomotor troubles, handicaps
https://www.aimsib.org/2019/06/11/sep-et-vaccination-anti-hepatite-b-derniers-developpements-tres-agacants/Also the works of Dr. JP Spinosa on the Gardasil and the cases he had, with many colleagues explaining his opposition to the HPV that does not works but causes more harm than what is claimed.
There, that's how you put a pro-vax on the knees. With science and facts.
Whenever a pro-vax will affirm stats on vaccination and autism, they will cherrypick the vaccines: Polio, rubella, tuberculosis, varicella, rubeolis, typhoid and mumps. Never include the stats of the adjuvanted. That's the thing. You must apply the scientifc rigor on yourself, that's what I always debate on zetetique groups. Want a proof? Check the details and the methodology.