We now have the technology to enhance the human condition. Transcranial electrical stimulation (TDCS, CES, TMS, ect) , gene doping, nootropics, genetically modified probiotics, and other emerging technologies all have the potential to make us stronger, smarter, and live longer. Why are you not taking advantage of these technologies, /mlpol/? You all talk of supermen. Here is the technology to make the superman into a reality.
/mlpol/ - My Little Politics
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>>230922
You can not build a house on a poor foundation. Before we can become super men, we must become better men.
You can not build a house on a poor foundation. Before we can become super men, we must become better men.
>>230930
Going back to my first post, it would be like trying to build a second story addition to a house while you're still building the foundation.
Going back to my first post, it would be like trying to build a second story addition to a house while you're still building the foundation.
>>230932
> it would be like trying to build a second story addition to a house while you're still building the foundation.
How?
> it would be like trying to build a second story addition to a house while you're still building the foundation.
How?
A super.man.woman.their.it is someone without vd. Read Mein chp 10. All one has to do is not fuck.lick.cuddle prostitutes and use dunkies at all other time. Sadly even Onan got shafted by his sister. Stoning imoral women would speed up the process to purity.
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Playing God will only end badly, particularly as these techniques are brand new and likely cause unforeseen long-term effects. Not to mention it's another step into A Brave New World where we will be dumbed-down, pleasured machines. No thank you.
You want your children to be better? Practice eugenics that is not scientifically or morally suspect. Choose a mate who is intelligent, strong, and lacks serious genetic conditions.
You want your children to be better? Practice eugenics that is not scientifically or morally suspect. Choose a mate who is intelligent, strong, and lacks serious genetic conditions.
>>230970
On one hand I agree that the dangers are incredibly high, unknown longterm effects, and can also be hidden.
On the other taking our own steps can mitigate personal, and group degradation.
Possibly opening new doors, and choices. Both good, and bad.
Fortify your soul, mind, and body with God. Or your preferred spiritual practice.
Consume food in a healthy way. To fuel the mortal shell.
Exercise for the mind, and body.
>>230922
Don't forget >>>/ub/ and >>>/cyb/
We don't have to embed the stuff in us as wetware to get the most benefit to us.
On one hand I agree that the dangers are incredibly high, unknown longterm effects, and can also be hidden.
On the other taking our own steps can mitigate personal, and group degradation.
Possibly opening new doors, and choices. Both good, and bad.
Fortify your soul, mind, and body with God. Or your preferred spiritual practice.
Consume food in a healthy way. To fuel the mortal shell.
Exercise for the mind, and body.
>>230922
Don't forget >>>/ub/ and >>>/cyb/
We don't have to embed the stuff in us as wetware to get the most benefit to us.
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>>230922
Only on the non-negotiable condition that I be in total control of the entire process.
Trusting something that powerful to someone else is like putting a bright neon sign above you declaring "please manipulate me, I deserve it!"
Only on the non-negotiable condition that I be in total control of the entire process.
Trusting something that powerful to someone else is like putting a bright neon sign above you declaring "please manipulate me, I deserve it!"
>>230922
Better (Whiter) genes good
Smarter brains good
Bigger muscles good
Robot arms good
Transhumanism to turn yourself into a worker drone incapable of feeling tiredness or "Traitorous thoughts" or sadness, or to turn yourself into an orgasming vibrator feeling the pleasure of a thousand heroin shots for doing nothing is for faggots
The Left needs to lose power before gene-editing becomes affordable or niggers will edit the stupid out of themselves while keeping the blackness and ritualized white hate, and we'll lose our "We naturally have the upper hand even in the most unfair of contests because our race is better, that's why leftists hate competition" advantage.
Better (Whiter) genes good
Smarter brains good
Bigger muscles good
Robot arms good
Transhumanism to turn yourself into a worker drone incapable of feeling tiredness or "Traitorous thoughts" or sadness, or to turn yourself into an orgasming vibrator feeling the pleasure of a thousand heroin shots for doing nothing is for faggots
The Left needs to lose power before gene-editing becomes affordable or niggers will edit the stupid out of themselves while keeping the blackness and ritualized white hate, and we'll lose our "We naturally have the upper hand even in the most unfair of contests because our race is better, that's why leftists hate competition" advantage.
>>230970
>these techniques are brand new and likely cause unforeseen long-term effects.
Sure there are some risks, but think about what will happen if those risks pay off.
>Not to mention it's another step into A Brave New World where we will be dumbed-down, pleasured machines.
Using technology to enhance yourself will create dumbed-down pleasure machines? How?
>these techniques are brand new and likely cause unforeseen long-term effects.
Sure there are some risks, but think about what will happen if those risks pay off.
>Not to mention it's another step into A Brave New World where we will be dumbed-down, pleasured machines.
Using technology to enhance yourself will create dumbed-down pleasure machines? How?
>>231035
Read the book. Society was artificially stratified into "Alphas," "Betas", "Gammas," and "Deltas," with the former being turned into highly-intelligent, athletic Übermensch, and the latter into menial laborers.
>>231011
Also this. It wouldn't be an Aryan conception of eugenics; high-profile Jews would make themselves essentially immortal and blacks and Hispanics would be transformed to replace us even more efficiently. Poor whites would absolutely get the short end of the stick, while anyone who actually gets it will probably have government controls installed. The further we head from traditional society the more we head into dystopia.
Read the book. Society was artificially stratified into "Alphas," "Betas", "Gammas," and "Deltas," with the former being turned into highly-intelligent, athletic Übermensch, and the latter into menial laborers.
>>231011
Also this. It wouldn't be an Aryan conception of eugenics; high-profile Jews would make themselves essentially immortal and blacks and Hispanics would be transformed to replace us even more efficiently. Poor whites would absolutely get the short end of the stick, while anyone who actually gets it will probably have government controls installed. The further we head from traditional society the more we head into dystopia.
>>231050
If they could they would.
Drugging people with the use of oxycontin increases favorable perception (to condition people to love their overlords, and replacement). The stuff your brain normally makes when with family.
They can with a powerful enough magnet field turn off parts of the brain.
They can just cut out bits of the brain. Or fry it.
There are auditorial, and visual patterns that can change, or modify how people feel, and think. I'm sure other patterns for other senses will be found, and created.
They have some success with making mass amounts of mindless servants (Communists, ect.) via propaganda, education, and 'occult' workings.
The limiting factors is that still a significant number of the population would resist, and could reduce the effectiveness of their brainwashing.
Luckily the very nature of the jew undermines their own efforts.
I would say this is an arms race, and a multi-faceted war.
Counter-tools to disarm them, and even reverse them.
Other tools that aren't related to this topic, and how one would use it to the fullest extent.
One other problem is some wetware technology is currently too high maintenance to implement in a slave class. Too much lost time. Too costly. For now.
If they could they would.
Drugging people with the use of oxycontin increases favorable perception (to condition people to love their overlords, and replacement). The stuff your brain normally makes when with family.
They can with a powerful enough magnet field turn off parts of the brain.
They can just cut out bits of the brain. Or fry it.
There are auditorial, and visual patterns that can change, or modify how people feel, and think. I'm sure other patterns for other senses will be found, and created.
They have some success with making mass amounts of mindless servants (Communists, ect.) via propaganda, education, and 'occult' workings.
The limiting factors is that still a significant number of the population would resist, and could reduce the effectiveness of their brainwashing.
Luckily the very nature of the jew undermines their own efforts.
I would say this is an arms race, and a multi-faceted war.
Counter-tools to disarm them, and even reverse them.
Other tools that aren't related to this topic, and how one would use it to the fullest extent.
One other problem is some wetware technology is currently too high maintenance to implement in a slave class. Too much lost time. Too costly. For now.
>>231054
I am convinced that the Japanese put some type of hormone in its beer. I am not drinking at the moment but when I did the canned beer would seriously fuck up my sleeping atterns. I assumed it was to help young people make babies but maybe mind control of populus was an added bonus. Bottled beer seemed to not have same effect. I say beer but truly it is just piss larger but as most readers are american I know you can not undersand the difference.
I am convinced that the Japanese put some type of hormone in its beer. I am not drinking at the moment but when I did the canned beer would seriously fuck up my sleeping atterns. I assumed it was to help young people make babies but maybe mind control of populus was an added bonus. Bottled beer seemed to not have same effect. I say beer but truly it is just piss larger but as most readers are american I know you can not undersand the difference.
>>231050
I have read the book. Why would we need to stratify society? Couldn't we just have robots do most of the menial labor?
I have read the book. Why would we need to stratify society? Couldn't we just have robots do most of the menial labor?
>>231063
What's it made of? Plus it's sitting in a can.
Take what I say with a lot of salt.
There are some kinds of things you personally should not consume. From an internal microbial side. Even from a biological side (what is specifically your liver built to handle.)
In further addition perception (your mind) can modify, and warp the effects on you.
What's it made of? Plus it's sitting in a can.
Take what I say with a lot of salt.
There are some kinds of things you personally should not consume. From an internal microbial side. Even from a biological side (what is specifically your liver built to handle.)
In further addition perception (your mind) can modify, and warp the effects on you.
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Malicious hacking will be a major problem. Entirely eliminating the possibility of such technologies being hacked is impossible, but if the benefit outweighed the risk enough, I might be willing to give it a shot. But the reward:risk ratio I'd need to see to be willing to have any non-vital bionic shit done to me probably will not be met in my lifetime.
>>231070
>Malicious hacking will be a major problem
For TES, Gene doping, hyperbiotics, and nootropics?
>Malicious hacking will be a major problem
For TES, Gene doping, hyperbiotics, and nootropics?
>>231039
>Ability without effort, yeah that'll end well.
What effort does someone put in to achieve an IQ of 150?
>Ability without effort, yeah that'll end well.
What effort does someone put in to achieve an IQ of 150?
>>231075
>TES
Using electricity to stimulate the brain.
>Gene doping
Editing your genes to improve preformance
>hyperbiotics
Genetically modifying probiotics to enhance yourself.
>nootropics
Smart drugs
>TES
Using electricity to stimulate the brain.
>Gene doping
Editing your genes to improve preformance
>hyperbiotics
Genetically modifying probiotics to enhance yourself.
>nootropics
Smart drugs
>>231072
Be lucky enough to have a non-thotty white mom who ate healthily while she grew you, a white child, the offspring of a white man.
Be lucky enough to have a non-thotty white mom who ate healthily while she grew you, a white child, the offspring of a white man.
>>230922
This will only cause more problems and I am disgusted by all that shit.
It is just a cheapshot to evade the problems and will solve none in the end. It doesn't take the bigger picture into account.
This will only cause more problems and I am disgusted by all that shit.
It is just a cheapshot to evade the problems and will solve none in the end. It doesn't take the bigger picture into account.
>>231268
>This will only cause more problems and I am disgusted by all that shit.
How will it cause more problems? What is there to be disgusted by?
>It is just a cheapshot to evade the problems and will solve none in the end.
How is enhancement evading anything?
>It doesn't take the bigger picture into account.
How so?
>This will only cause more problems and I am disgusted by all that shit.
How will it cause more problems? What is there to be disgusted by?
>It is just a cheapshot to evade the problems and will solve none in the end.
How is enhancement evading anything?
>It doesn't take the bigger picture into account.
How so?
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>>231466
Let me start by laying out my perspective:
Humans are shit. SHIIIIIIIITTTT!!!
They ruin everything they touch and make everything worse for everyone, they are like king Midas, only that they turn everything they touch into shit. They are arrogant stupid fucks who can do nothing but badly copy nature.
First I don't buy the "enhance" bullshit. It is a change and whether it is better or worse depends on how things will go and how you measure it.
As for the evading thing, I see it as an atempt to fix the damage that we do to ourself. We ruin our health with all kinds of shit and then build this magic wand to "fix" ourselves. We get dumbed down and take pills to get us where we started again. The greatest archievmnts of humanity came from a times when people where much more natural than we are now. We don't need that shit if we stop fucking up shit.
AND there is one BIG problem: This will only enforce degenerate behavior. Why stop drug abuse if you can make your liver more resistant or just get a new one from the lab? Don't filter the chemicals that we put everywhere when we can just use counter-chemicals? Let's build our own closed-off degerate world with ever more piling up problems.
These things we work with a highly complex biological systems we barely understand. Things are the way they are because of a reason! Complex systems are as good as they get and it took over FOUR BILLION YEARS to get it right to the point it is now. There are reasons for every fucking bacteria in our stomache and there are also reasons why they are not any of the other millions of possible bacteria.
Now lets get to some specifics.
Drugs to alter your attributes:
(Ritalin, steroides and all that other shit that exists and is yet to come)
They are not magic, they change the existing biological and psychological mode into the desired one. But as stated before there is a reason why we are in default mode. Steroids always cause many things to grow, not only muscles and the people that use it have to deal with different side effects (cancer, liver damage...) and ritalin will turn you into a zombie. To reduce side effects you need to make it more specific to certain individuals but since there are huge differences from human to human and even in one certain individual over time this can't work without insane amount of work.
also this will lead to a toxic arms-race in society where all benefits it would bring just go into fucking yourself up more
Bacteria:
There is that trend to to get yourself some bacteria into your digestive system that are "better" (t. the people that want to sell you that shit) to replace these that have been shit-tested since the dawn of life. Now there are many cases that boil down to essentially two (because of crowding out effects) either you get these bacteria and you have to keep consuming that shit so you will have the benefits or these bacteria will take over your digestive system. Now these bacteria have different attributes in not one sense but many. Maybe it is resistance to certain factors or reproduction rate or whatever. We don't live in stable world and these bacteria will be shit tested too and even if they seem better in some scenarios they will be worse in others and they will be shit tested. To paint a picture I have to bring up the appendix, it is useless in most cases but it is one of the main reasons humans survied because it is a bacteria reservoir in case of heavy food poisoning.
Plus there is speculation about the human being a meta-being and there being brain-bacteria interfaces that serve various purposes and is barely understood.
Let me start by laying out my perspective:
Humans are shit. SHIIIIIIIITTTT!!!
They ruin everything they touch and make everything worse for everyone, they are like king Midas, only that they turn everything they touch into shit. They are arrogant stupid fucks who can do nothing but badly copy nature.
First I don't buy the "enhance" bullshit. It is a change and whether it is better or worse depends on how things will go and how you measure it.
As for the evading thing, I see it as an atempt to fix the damage that we do to ourself. We ruin our health with all kinds of shit and then build this magic wand to "fix" ourselves. We get dumbed down and take pills to get us where we started again. The greatest archievmnts of humanity came from a times when people where much more natural than we are now. We don't need that shit if we stop fucking up shit.
AND there is one BIG problem: This will only enforce degenerate behavior. Why stop drug abuse if you can make your liver more resistant or just get a new one from the lab? Don't filter the chemicals that we put everywhere when we can just use counter-chemicals? Let's build our own closed-off degerate world with ever more piling up problems.
These things we work with a highly complex biological systems we barely understand. Things are the way they are because of a reason! Complex systems are as good as they get and it took over FOUR BILLION YEARS to get it right to the point it is now. There are reasons for every fucking bacteria in our stomache and there are also reasons why they are not any of the other millions of possible bacteria.
Now lets get to some specifics.
Drugs to alter your attributes:
(Ritalin, steroides and all that other shit that exists and is yet to come)
They are not magic, they change the existing biological and psychological mode into the desired one. But as stated before there is a reason why we are in default mode. Steroids always cause many things to grow, not only muscles and the people that use it have to deal with different side effects (cancer, liver damage...) and ritalin will turn you into a zombie. To reduce side effects you need to make it more specific to certain individuals but since there are huge differences from human to human and even in one certain individual over time this can't work without insane amount of work.
also this will lead to a toxic arms-race in society where all benefits it would bring just go into fucking yourself up more
Bacteria:
There is that trend to to get yourself some bacteria into your digestive system that are "better" (t. the people that want to sell you that shit) to replace these that have been shit-tested since the dawn of life. Now there are many cases that boil down to essentially two (because of crowding out effects) either you get these bacteria and you have to keep consuming that shit so you will have the benefits or these bacteria will take over your digestive system. Now these bacteria have different attributes in not one sense but many. Maybe it is resistance to certain factors or reproduction rate or whatever. We don't live in stable world and these bacteria will be shit tested too and even if they seem better in some scenarios they will be worse in others and they will be shit tested. To paint a picture I have to bring up the appendix, it is useless in most cases but it is one of the main reasons humans survied because it is a bacteria reservoir in case of heavy food poisoning.
Plus there is speculation about the human being a meta-being and there being brain-bacteria interfaces that serve various purposes and is barely understood.
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>>231466
Gene editing:
Fuck the chinese. Kill all those fucking bug-people! Wipe these freedom-hating commie assholes from the face of this earth! The made two girls (who would most likely would never have had problems with aids) immune to aids and accidently reduced their life expectancy by 6-7 years in doing so. Also they reduced human beings to the status of fruit flies.
Even is we found the perfect genes to implant it would only lead to a mono-culture that would be extremly effected by changes of the environment and the only thing that is steady in this universe is the change. THERE IS A REASON THERE IS A NORMAL DISTRIBUTION!
But lets not get hypothetical, lets stick with what we know about genes: Genes are a loosely defined set of organic complexes that are not always active. They have dozens and dozens of switches to turn them on and off, can be distributed over the whole of the chromosome and even 3-dimensionaly across different chromosomes. They can switch position and function over time. They produce up to 40 different proteins each that interact with other proteins to build structures and chemical processes that interact with other structures and chemical processes to build up cells that interacts with other billions of cells to form active-stable organic systems that we call humans. Don't forget the rna though.
We know jack shit.
Transhumanism:
I am fucking disgusted. There are a couple of small problems like getting medical staff to do the procedures which will probably give you multi-resistannt germs or that your body will reject the foreign matter. What are you trying to archieve here? Get perception of things that have no relevance like röntgen radiation? Get an uplink so you don't have to manually use your smartphone? Get artificial limbs that are somehow "better"?
You make yourself dependent on that technology and it will change you. Leave hacking aside, it will change you to the very core. Watch your human body rot away while you got that fancy sci-fi shit getting replaced and updated. Look at all these skin-bags that rot away and treat you with hostility. You are robot master-race!
You are going to degenerate into a machine, into a drone like in Starcraft that can't live without the hive-mind that is the internet. How am I to take you seriously if I don't know if you are just an outlet for jokes.com or a genuinly funny person. Also smartphone already reduce the average IQ. You will be a driveling travesty as soon as there are connection problems.
... be smarter, life longer...
You know most smart people have a hard time dealing with this world and there is a lot of suffering and darkness that surrounds them, one could even argue that suffering is an essential part to their being because they need intelligence to beat it in any way.
Living longer? Ever heard of age-suicide? Watch all you know wither away in this dreadful world? Be there, isolated in your tower, like a vampire, cynical and disgusted by everything you see because you have seen better. How many of your pals are 60, 70, 80 years old? You are nothing but a source of knowledge by that age and people will treat you like that.
If you want to "enhance" yourself don't take the easy road! Read a book, have a healthy died, do some sports, talk to people, fixy some problems...
To boil it down into one sentence: I am not a fan.
Gene editing:
Fuck the chinese. Kill all those fucking bug-people! Wipe these freedom-hating commie assholes from the face of this earth! The made two girls (who would most likely would never have had problems with aids) immune to aids and accidently reduced their life expectancy by 6-7 years in doing so. Also they reduced human beings to the status of fruit flies.
Even is we found the perfect genes to implant it would only lead to a mono-culture that would be extremly effected by changes of the environment and the only thing that is steady in this universe is the change. THERE IS A REASON THERE IS A NORMAL DISTRIBUTION!
But lets not get hypothetical, lets stick with what we know about genes: Genes are a loosely defined set of organic complexes that are not always active. They have dozens and dozens of switches to turn them on and off, can be distributed over the whole of the chromosome and even 3-dimensionaly across different chromosomes. They can switch position and function over time. They produce up to 40 different proteins each that interact with other proteins to build structures and chemical processes that interact with other structures and chemical processes to build up cells that interacts with other billions of cells to form active-stable organic systems that we call humans. Don't forget the rna though.
We know jack shit.
Transhumanism:
I am fucking disgusted. There are a couple of small problems like getting medical staff to do the procedures which will probably give you multi-resistannt germs or that your body will reject the foreign matter. What are you trying to archieve here? Get perception of things that have no relevance like röntgen radiation? Get an uplink so you don't have to manually use your smartphone? Get artificial limbs that are somehow "better"?
You make yourself dependent on that technology and it will change you. Leave hacking aside, it will change you to the very core. Watch your human body rot away while you got that fancy sci-fi shit getting replaced and updated. Look at all these skin-bags that rot away and treat you with hostility. You are robot master-race!
You are going to degenerate into a machine, into a drone like in Starcraft that can't live without the hive-mind that is the internet. How am I to take you seriously if I don't know if you are just an outlet for jokes.com or a genuinly funny person. Also smartphone already reduce the average IQ. You will be a driveling travesty as soon as there are connection problems.
... be smarter, life longer...
You know most smart people have a hard time dealing with this world and there is a lot of suffering and darkness that surrounds them, one could even argue that suffering is an essential part to their being because they need intelligence to beat it in any way.
Living longer? Ever heard of age-suicide? Watch all you know wither away in this dreadful world? Be there, isolated in your tower, like a vampire, cynical and disgusted by everything you see because you have seen better. How many of your pals are 60, 70, 80 years old? You are nothing but a source of knowledge by that age and people will treat you like that.
If you want to "enhance" yourself don't take the easy road! Read a book, have a healthy died, do some sports, talk to people, fixy some problems...
To boil it down into one sentence: I am not a fan.
>>231553
>>231554
I agree, even if cautiously, with you.
>Read a book, have a healthy diet, do some sports, talk to people, fix some problems…
This so much, but I don't know if that alone is enough.
There is a problem. There are people, and groups of (((people))) very much out to eliminate, or enslave everyone here. For all of human history that has remained the same.
I would like every advantage I can get. I do want to minimize the damage, and disaster that will cause me. I know the mind can twist itself and simulate many drugs, and states of mind, just by thinking about it hard enough. The body as it is now is insane. The very peak of what we can do with our body is crazy.
I don't know if that is enough. It probably is enough, but the unknown factors do linger on my mind.
>>231554
I agree, even if cautiously, with you.
>Read a book, have a healthy diet, do some sports, talk to people, fix some problems…
This so much, but I don't know if that alone is enough.
There is a problem. There are people, and groups of (((people))) very much out to eliminate, or enslave everyone here. For all of human history that has remained the same.
I would like every advantage I can get. I do want to minimize the damage, and disaster that will cause me. I know the mind can twist itself and simulate many drugs, and states of mind, just by thinking about it hard enough. The body as it is now is insane. The very peak of what we can do with our body is crazy.
I don't know if that is enough. It probably is enough, but the unknown factors do linger on my mind.
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>>231574
>I would like every advantage I can get
I can understand that but honestly I think you should build things from the bottom up and not the other way around, and that is what all this "enhancement" is.
Working hard is insanely more difficult and will be met with many disappointments but that is the tried and trusted way since have worked since forever.
>I would like every advantage I can get
I can understand that but honestly I think you should build things from the bottom up and not the other way around, and that is what all this "enhancement" is.
Working hard is insanely more difficult and will be met with many disappointments but that is the tried and trusted way since have worked since forever.
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>>231553
>>231554
From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the blessed machine. Your kind cling to your flesh as if it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass you call a temple will wither and you will beg my kind to save you, but I am already saved, for the machine is immortal.
>>231554
From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the blessed machine. Your kind cling to your flesh as if it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass you call a temple will wither and you will beg my kind to save you, but I am already saved, for the machine is immortal.
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welcome to the peak of human (d)evolution
>>231553
>>231554
>The greatest archievmnts of humanity came from a times when people where much more natural than we are now.
The moon landing, particle accelerators,and sequencing of our genome are all recent developments.
>These things we work with a highly complex biological systems we barely understand.
All the more reason for us to tinker with them. Think of all that we could learn.
>Steroids always cause many things to grow, not only muscles and the people that use it have to deal with different side effects (cancer, liver damage…) and ritalin will turn you into a zombie
Medicines are improving all the time. Sure there will be some hiccups at the beginning, but the pay out could be super humans.
> We don't live in stable world and these bacteria will be shit tested too and even if they seem better in some scenarios they will be worse in others and they will be shit tested.
Then alter your gut bacteria depending on the situation you will be in.
>Plus there is speculation about the human being a meta-being and there being brain-bacteria interfaces that serve various purposes and is barely understood.
All the more reason to tinker with it.
>We know jack shit.
We know enough to add genes, remove genes, silence genes, and activate genes. We even know the function of a few of them. We know enough to get started.
>What are you trying to archieve here? Get perception of things that have no relevance like röntgen radiation? Get an uplink so you don't have to manually use your smartphone? Get artificial limbs that are somehow "better"?
What I want is a being that can survive the harsh environments of other planets. One asteroid, one super virus, one nuclear war and all of human culture, civilization, and science is gone. This is about preserving our future.
>You are going to degenerate into a machine, into a drone like in Starcraft that can't live without the hive-mind that is the internet.
Why would I degenerate into a drone? Humans evolved to have emotions because emotions are useful. Especially for learning. Why would I get rid of them?
>You know most smart people have a hard time dealing with this world and there is a lot of suffering and darkness that surrounds them, one could even argue that suffering is an essential part to their being because they need intelligence to beat it in any way.
Living longer? Ever heard of age-suicide? Watch all you know wither away in this dreadful world? Be there, isolated in your tower, like a vampire, cynical and disgusted by everything you see because you have seen better. How many of your pals are 60, 70, 80 years old? You are nothing but a source of knowledge by that age and people will treat you like that.
I don't see what would be bad about living for a long time if others would live with me and I could stay in my prime.
>If you want to "enhance" yourself don't take the easy road! Read a book, have a healthy died, do some sports, talk to people, fixy some problems
Why can't I do those things and biohack myself?
>>231554
>The greatest archievmnts of humanity came from a times when people where much more natural than we are now.
The moon landing, particle accelerators,and sequencing of our genome are all recent developments.
>These things we work with a highly complex biological systems we barely understand.
All the more reason for us to tinker with them. Think of all that we could learn.
>Steroids always cause many things to grow, not only muscles and the people that use it have to deal with different side effects (cancer, liver damage…) and ritalin will turn you into a zombie
Medicines are improving all the time. Sure there will be some hiccups at the beginning, but the pay out could be super humans.
> We don't live in stable world and these bacteria will be shit tested too and even if they seem better in some scenarios they will be worse in others and they will be shit tested.
Then alter your gut bacteria depending on the situation you will be in.
>Plus there is speculation about the human being a meta-being and there being brain-bacteria interfaces that serve various purposes and is barely understood.
All the more reason to tinker with it.
>We know jack shit.
We know enough to add genes, remove genes, silence genes, and activate genes. We even know the function of a few of them. We know enough to get started.
>What are you trying to archieve here? Get perception of things that have no relevance like röntgen radiation? Get an uplink so you don't have to manually use your smartphone? Get artificial limbs that are somehow "better"?
What I want is a being that can survive the harsh environments of other planets. One asteroid, one super virus, one nuclear war and all of human culture, civilization, and science is gone. This is about preserving our future.
>You are going to degenerate into a machine, into a drone like in Starcraft that can't live without the hive-mind that is the internet.
Why would I degenerate into a drone? Humans evolved to have emotions because emotions are useful. Especially for learning. Why would I get rid of them?
>You know most smart people have a hard time dealing with this world and there is a lot of suffering and darkness that surrounds them, one could even argue that suffering is an essential part to their being because they need intelligence to beat it in any way.
Living longer? Ever heard of age-suicide? Watch all you know wither away in this dreadful world? Be there, isolated in your tower, like a vampire, cynical and disgusted by everything you see because you have seen better. How many of your pals are 60, 70, 80 years old? You are nothing but a source of knowledge by that age and people will treat you like that.
I don't see what would be bad about living for a long time if others would live with me and I could stay in my prime.
>If you want to "enhance" yourself don't take the easy road! Read a book, have a healthy died, do some sports, talk to people, fixy some problems
Why can't I do those things and biohack myself?
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>>231656
>The moon landing, particle accelerators,and sequencing of our genome are all recent developments.
proves my point
I am all in for gaining knowledge and if you want to use yourself as test subject go for it but fucking don't use kids. The problem is that you make all of it sound so easy "wololo just change your bacteria and take different drugs" and I don't think that lines up with reality. Survive in interstelar space? How about setting up a moon base first? As for degeneration I point to enthrophy and energy coservation.
>Why can't I do those things and biohack myself?
You can but I doubt that these things are as complementary as you think they are.
>We know enough to get started.
A child that does know how to use a hammer won't be able to build a skyscraper.
A stand by my opinion that the whole thing is a travesty and the rotten fruits it will produce will only make us sick. Do as you wish but at least be careful if you mess with things you don't comprehend.
>The moon landing, particle accelerators,and sequencing of our genome are all recent developments.
proves my point
I am all in for gaining knowledge and if you want to use yourself as test subject go for it but fucking don't use kids. The problem is that you make all of it sound so easy "wololo just change your bacteria and take different drugs" and I don't think that lines up with reality. Survive in interstelar space? How about setting up a moon base first? As for degeneration I point to enthrophy and energy coservation.
>Why can't I do those things and biohack myself?
You can but I doubt that these things are as complementary as you think they are.
>We know enough to get started.
A child that does know how to use a hammer won't be able to build a skyscraper.
A stand by my opinion that the whole thing is a travesty and the rotten fruits it will produce will only make us sick. Do as you wish but at least be careful if you mess with things you don't comprehend.
>>231667
>>The moon landing, particle accelerators,and sequencing of our genome are all recent developments.
>proves my point
How? Those are among man's greatest achievements and they have all been in recent history.
>I am all in for gaining knowledge and if you want to use yourself as test subject go for it but fucking don't use kids
Here we can agree. Kids should not be test subjects.
>Survive in interstelar space? How about setting up a moon base first?
That moon base becomes a lot easier to set up with beings that can survive on the moon.
>As for degeneration I point to enthrophy and energy coservation.
Implying that we are closed systems.
>>The moon landing, particle accelerators,and sequencing of our genome are all recent developments.
>proves my point
How? Those are among man's greatest achievements and they have all been in recent history.
>I am all in for gaining knowledge and if you want to use yourself as test subject go for it but fucking don't use kids
Here we can agree. Kids should not be test subjects.
>Survive in interstelar space? How about setting up a moon base first?
That moon base becomes a lot easier to set up with beings that can survive on the moon.
>As for degeneration I point to enthrophy and energy coservation.
Implying that we are closed systems.
>>231668
>How? Those are among man's greatest achievements and they have all been in recent history.
Because they were in a time where people were a lot more natural then we are now. Look at the degeneration we are having now due to all of our technolgy. (Lowering of testosterone, IQ, average life expectancy, general health, phychological stability...)
>>231668
>That moon base becomes a lot easier to set up with beings that can survive on the moon.
Even if you create moon-humans this will come with a whole set of different problems.
>>231668
>Implying that we are closed systems.
I am not. I just think that if you outsource all you mental efforts to the cloud it will reduce you to a cloud-communication-device. If the opportunity is there you will use it, if you use it you won't need as much "thinking power" and if you don't need it it will disapear because it only costs energy and serves no purpose. Look at evolutionary patterns. Neurologists today are ringing the alarm bells because they see what the internet and all apps and smartphones and tablets are doing to our youth.
>How? Those are among man's greatest achievements and they have all been in recent history.
Because they were in a time where people were a lot more natural then we are now. Look at the degeneration we are having now due to all of our technolgy. (Lowering of testosterone, IQ, average life expectancy, general health, phychological stability...)
>>231668
>That moon base becomes a lot easier to set up with beings that can survive on the moon.
Even if you create moon-humans this will come with a whole set of different problems.
>>231668
>Implying that we are closed systems.
I am not. I just think that if you outsource all you mental efforts to the cloud it will reduce you to a cloud-communication-device. If the opportunity is there you will use it, if you use it you won't need as much "thinking power" and if you don't need it it will disapear because it only costs energy and serves no purpose. Look at evolutionary patterns. Neurologists today are ringing the alarm bells because they see what the internet and all apps and smartphones and tablets are doing to our youth.
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Go ahead, jump into the meat grinder, I am the one gaining knowledge. But do yourself a favor at least and recognize your own stupidity (not you per se) and know that the laws of physics are always stronger than you, that you need to learn and understand more before you open pandoras box.
To me it seems like you are trying to build another story on top of a building while the foundations rots away. You try to fight syphylis with giving people cancer. Maybe you win but it is a pyric victory.
again I am not against learning, against science or progress but I am nothing but disgusted by all this, the naivity and I think we should nuke china for what that faggot did
To me it seems like you are trying to build another story on top of a building while the foundations rots away. You try to fight syphylis with giving people cancer. Maybe you win but it is a pyric victory.
again I am not against learning, against science or progress but I am nothing but disgusted by all this, the naivity and I think we should nuke china for what that faggot did
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mark-of-the-beast-thousands-of-swedes-become-microchipped
You yearn for shackles which will not chafe.
You yearn for shackles which will not chafe.
>>231644
Yeah, I don't know what the point of putting LEDs under you skin. I did hear about someone who put a rare earth magnet in a finger, and it allows you to feel electrical currents because the magnet vibrates in the presence of electrical currents. That would be pretty cool.
Yeah, I don't know what the point of putting LEDs under you skin. I did hear about someone who put a rare earth magnet in a finger, and it allows you to feel electrical currents because the magnet vibrates in the presence of electrical currents. That would be pretty cool.
>>231670
>Because they were in a time where people were a lot more natural then we are now.
2003 and 2010 were a lot more natural than we are now? Come on now.
>Even if you create moon-humans this will come with a whole set of different problems.
What problems?
> if you use it you won't need as much "thinking power" and if you don't need it it will disapear because it only costs energy and serves no purpose.
Why wouldn't I just use my thinking power for a different purpose?
>Because they were in a time where people were a lot more natural then we are now.
2003 and 2010 were a lot more natural than we are now? Come on now.
>Even if you create moon-humans this will come with a whole set of different problems.
What problems?
> if you use it you won't need as much "thinking power" and if you don't need it it will disapear because it only costs energy and serves no purpose.
Why wouldn't I just use my thinking power for a different purpose?
Woohoo!! Lets do this!
>>231672
There actually was a time when you cured syphilis by getting malaria. Syphilis relied on the body underestimating the threat, and not being able to muster enough of a response. Malaria shifted the body into total war mode, and if the 105-degree-plus body temperature didn't get it, something else would. Malaria had a cure, so as long as you could hold on until the syphilis had been destroyed in the crossfire (which wasn't usually long), you were fine.
Regardless, if you trade a disease that will kill you in one year for one that will kill you in five, you have still come out on top.
>>231694
It was a mix of proof-of-concept and sign of the community. It would light up while near someone else with the same implant. Biohackers are massive faggots, so some actually went through with it.
As for the magnet, it was very cool following that story. Shame it only lasted a few months before it had to be removed.
>>231716
I don't understand this microchip business. It's like a smart home, but twice the benefit and ten times the downside, and smart homes are already such marginal improvements. Besides the obvious answer that city people can't fathom bad things happening because of large organizations, why are people doing this willingly?
There actually was a time when you cured syphilis by getting malaria. Syphilis relied on the body underestimating the threat, and not being able to muster enough of a response. Malaria shifted the body into total war mode, and if the 105-degree-plus body temperature didn't get it, something else would. Malaria had a cure, so as long as you could hold on until the syphilis had been destroyed in the crossfire (which wasn't usually long), you were fine.
Regardless, if you trade a disease that will kill you in one year for one that will kill you in five, you have still come out on top.
>>231694
It was a mix of proof-of-concept and sign of the community. It would light up while near someone else with the same implant. Biohackers are massive faggots, so some actually went through with it.
As for the magnet, it was very cool following that story. Shame it only lasted a few months before it had to be removed.
>>231716
I don't understand this microchip business. It's like a smart home, but twice the benefit and ten times the downside, and smart homes are already such marginal improvements. Besides the obvious answer that city people can't fathom bad things happening because of large organizations, why are people doing this willingly?
>>231727
If you mean me, I was being sarcastic.
If you mean them, fascists pretending they aren't fascists.
Having said all that the image is probably fake.
If you mean me, I was being sarcastic.
If you mean them, fascists pretending they aren't fascists.
Having said all that the image is probably fake.
>>231727
>why are people doing this willingly?
Dude, man it's the future, duuude!
Seriously, for Any reason.
Indoctrination: They are trained to buy unquestioningly.
Accept the current state of affairs without thought.
Apathy.
Ignorance.
A show of pretending to still have privacy. A false comfort of security.
Laziness.
Nihilism.
The cost to access the circuses.
It's also the cost to get job.
Erosion of apprehension.
Actual voyeurism.
Spite.
Egotism. It won't happen to them, or their family, because they are on the correct side of history.
Zealotry.
Every human emotion, and vice, and sin, and virtue, and behavior.
They just feel like it.
Even no reason at all.
Probably lot's more I'm not thinking of.
Pick a few they probably don't activity know it.
>why are people doing this willingly?
Dude, man it's the future, duuude!
Seriously, for Any reason.
Indoctrination: They are trained to buy unquestioningly.
Accept the current state of affairs without thought.
Apathy.
Ignorance.
A show of pretending to still have privacy. A false comfort of security.
Laziness.
Nihilism.
The cost to access the circuses.
It's also the cost to get job.
Erosion of apprehension.
Actual voyeurism.
Spite.
Egotism. It won't happen to them, or their family, because they are on the correct side of history.
Zealotry.
Every human emotion, and vice, and sin, and virtue, and behavior.
They just feel like it.
Even no reason at all.
Probably lot's more I'm not thinking of.
Pick a few they probably don't activity know it.
>>231727
Syphilis is not curable.
It is true that getting malaria did reduce some of the symptoms. However there are four basic stages. A few legions on the genitals, then various ailements around the body, then much later pain, paralysis, euphoria and then abosulute madness. It is alleged that Hitler fucked a Jewish Prostitute at a young age and was inflicted with a lifetime flatulence problem and various stomach pains and finally complete mania. All could be attributed to syphilis.
Malaria is also not curable. Both deseases sit dormant in the lymph system and attack when the body is weak or when it feels like it.
Syphilis is not curable.
It is true that getting malaria did reduce some of the symptoms. However there are four basic stages. A few legions on the genitals, then various ailements around the body, then much later pain, paralysis, euphoria and then abosulute madness. It is alleged that Hitler fucked a Jewish Prostitute at a young age and was inflicted with a lifetime flatulence problem and various stomach pains and finally complete mania. All could be attributed to syphilis.
Malaria is also not curable. Both deseases sit dormant in the lymph system and attack when the body is weak or when it feels like it.
>>231694
Sounds funny, I agree. But honestly you need to take the risk of a surgery and the damage to your tissue. Then you got a foreign element in your body that your body is traing to get rid off. Metal shit gets stuck to your finger all the time and the vibration will mess with the tissue, bones and bloodflow. The magnetic field will wess with the bloodflow as well because of the iron in your blood. Also it alters how your body reacts to heat, cold and the sun.
also look at >>231727
>Shame it only lasted a few months before it had to be removed.
>>231702
The first particle accelerators were planned in the 1920s and our trip to the moon was 1969. Higgs made his theories somewhere in the middle of the last century. And while you could argue that the low-hanging fruits of science are all gone there are no more game changers anymore. Science still progresses but any major step were made by people who either drew circles in the sand with a stick or used pen and paper, they played with wooden bricks as childs and went out to play in forest and swim in the lakes. also our education system is shit and no amount of drugs or implants will fix that
>What problems?
You see the racial tensions now and don't expect anything to go wrong when we go lulwhatever and create moon-homunculi and equip them with the most modern technology we have and send them of to be our tools somewhere?
>Why wouldn't I just use my thinking power for a different purpose?
because you don't need to, you only need to mind-google
>>231727
>Regardless, if you trade a disease that will kill you in one year for one that will kill you in five, you have still come out on top.
I prefer not getting infected in the first place.
Sounds funny, I agree. But honestly you need to take the risk of a surgery and the damage to your tissue. Then you got a foreign element in your body that your body is traing to get rid off. Metal shit gets stuck to your finger all the time and the vibration will mess with the tissue, bones and bloodflow. The magnetic field will wess with the bloodflow as well because of the iron in your blood. Also it alters how your body reacts to heat, cold and the sun.
also look at >>231727
>Shame it only lasted a few months before it had to be removed.
>>231702
The first particle accelerators were planned in the 1920s and our trip to the moon was 1969. Higgs made his theories somewhere in the middle of the last century. And while you could argue that the low-hanging fruits of science are all gone there are no more game changers anymore. Science still progresses but any major step were made by people who either drew circles in the sand with a stick or used pen and paper, they played with wooden bricks as childs and went out to play in forest and swim in the lakes. also our education system is shit and no amount of drugs or implants will fix that
>What problems?
You see the racial tensions now and don't expect anything to go wrong when we go lulwhatever and create moon-homunculi and equip them with the most modern technology we have and send them of to be our tools somewhere?
>Why wouldn't I just use my thinking power for a different purpose?
because you don't need to, you only need to mind-google
>>231727
>Regardless, if you trade a disease that will kill you in one year for one that will kill you in five, you have still come out on top.
I prefer not getting infected in the first place.
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>Superior Ability Breeds Superior Ambition
...but then humanity is a predator. Nothing can go wrong.
...but then humanity is a predator. Nothing can go wrong.
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>>230922
>We now have the technology to enhance the human condition.
Not quite. It is far too rudimentary and its real possibilities are deep into the future, not like in our lifetime.
Anyways, enjoy the juden propaganda distracting the goyim.
>We now have the technology to enhance the human condition.
Not quite. It is far too rudimentary and its real possibilities are deep into the future, not like in our lifetime.
Anyways, enjoy the juden propaganda distracting the goyim.
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