> A 12-year-old girl suffering from epilepsy is suing Attorney General Jeff Sessions in order to legalize marijuana for medicinal purposes on a federal level. A motion by the US government to dismiss her case has been denied.
>Since beginning her THC treatment, Bortell has been seizure-free for two and a half years. “As the seizures got worse, we had to move to Colorado to get cannabis because it's illegal in Texas,” Bortell said, KDVR reported.
> “I would like to be able to visit my grandparents without risking being taken to a foster home,” Bortell said about her joint lawsuit against Sessions, KDVR reported.
http://archive.li/m0EnB
where does /mlpol/ stand on the dude weed lmao issue? do we have to legalize? Trump said during the campaign that we have to at least do medical.
according to this study:
http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2017.304059?journalCode=ajph&
marijuana reversed a 144-year rising trend of opioid related deaths in colorado, and modern research has shown it effective for treating pain, cancer, and several mental illnesses including common stuff like ADHD and depression.
We can kill the pharmaceutical industry and deal with both mental health and opioid addiction where's the downside? and why is sessions so terrible on this issue?
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I'm sure others will disagree with me on this but recreational as well as medical marijuana ought to be legalized. I do not favor smoking marijuana but neither am I inclined to smoke tobacco or guzzle energy drinks. Trying to get rid of marijuana is the same sort of moral busybodying as the left wanting to ban soda bottles larger than a liter.
Also, maybe by reducing its illicit allure "weed culture"–with all its "unlocking brain powers" and "muh weed" hokey–will subsequently diminish.
Also, maybe by reducing its illicit allure "weed culture"–with all its "unlocking brain powers" and "muh weed" hokey–will subsequently diminish.
>>87446
Marijuana in its current form is overwhelmingly more potent than is necessary for medicinal purposes, and was cultivated that way precisely because it was a black-market product designed to appeal to a market that is trying to get high quickly and for prolonged duration (hence, stoners).
As a cancer treatment it is necessary to ingest (edibles), and for treating epilepsy it can be ingested or vaped. Smoking pot is physiologically degenerate, and smoking conventionally available pot is mentally degenerate, but if properly refined and responsibly distributed and made available, it could/would wreck shop on large sections of the Pharmaceutical AND Prison industries, which is why there is and has been so much pressure to keep it illegal.
Tl;dr People are dying and suffering because its both illegal and irresponsibly (even through dispensaries largely) being made available, that needs to change desu.
Marijuana in its current form is overwhelmingly more potent than is necessary for medicinal purposes, and was cultivated that way precisely because it was a black-market product designed to appeal to a market that is trying to get high quickly and for prolonged duration (hence, stoners).
As a cancer treatment it is necessary to ingest (edibles), and for treating epilepsy it can be ingested or vaped. Smoking pot is physiologically degenerate, and smoking conventionally available pot is mentally degenerate, but if properly refined and responsibly distributed and made available, it could/would wreck shop on large sections of the Pharmaceutical AND Prison industries, which is why there is and has been so much pressure to keep it illegal.
Tl;dr People are dying and suffering because its both illegal and irresponsibly (even through dispensaries largely) being made available, that needs to change desu.
>>87446
>where does /mlpol/ stand on the dude weed lmao issue? do we have to legalize?
I have never smoked, and never will. However, if you want to light up a joint in the comfort of your own home, then whatever. Legalize it recreationally, or at least decriminalize it. We have better things to do as a society then worry about pot smokers.
>where does /mlpol/ stand on the dude weed lmao issue? do we have to legalize?
I have never smoked, and never will. However, if you want to light up a joint in the comfort of your own home, then whatever. Legalize it recreationally, or at least decriminalize it. We have better things to do as a society then worry about pot smokers.
>>87469
honestly people who want it will go for what ever is the cheapest and easiest to find, if dirt cheap edibles get sold like packs of gum most probably won't bother with pot just out of the sake of convenience
honestly people who want it will go for what ever is the cheapest and easiest to find, if dirt cheap edibles get sold like packs of gum most probably won't bother with pot just out of the sake of convenience
I support the legalization of pot mostly because I just hate pharmaceutical companies.
>>87446
Medicinal pot is fine. For recreational purposes, I still think it should be illegal or heavily regulated. While there are no adverse short term effects of weed, some studies have come out to show there are semi-brain dampening effects, especially within minors, and other lung related issues. While the lung related issues are no worse than say, smoking, perhaps not even a concern for most people really, the fact that pot leads to addiction and will fuck you up with withdrawal symptoms just like many other drugs will do solidifies my stance that the less legal drugs we have, (pot alchohol etc) the better.
Medicinal pot is fine. For recreational purposes, I still think it should be illegal or heavily regulated. While there are no adverse short term effects of weed, some studies have come out to show there are semi-brain dampening effects, especially within minors, and other lung related issues. While the lung related issues are no worse than say, smoking, perhaps not even a concern for most people really, the fact that pot leads to addiction and will fuck you up with withdrawal symptoms just like many other drugs will do solidifies my stance that the less legal drugs we have, (pot alchohol etc) the better.
Ancap here. Uh that encompasses my views.
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I have heard that Marihuana has componenents that help with epilepsy. Cant tell how the USA will handle this, but my stance on the matter is this: Unless medical science is able to isolate the medical componentts from the drug that actually help prevent the epilepsy without giving the consumer any drug induced highs or possible addiction, the drug should stay illegal and not be declared a medicine. The dangers of the drug and its distribution far outweigh the need of a couple thousand Epilepsy afflicted citizens that need easier access to their herb. It is not morally right to directly enable drug abuse. If the component that prevents the epilepsy is the same one that gets people addicted, it should never be legalized, at all. whatsoever.
>>87551
>without giving the consumer any drug induced highs or possible addiction
but the high will pass and marijuana doesn't have any particularly dangerous side effects, especially relative to modern prescription and over the counter drugs. Plus once it's legalized/decriminalized people can just grow it themselves and take money out of the illegal drug and pharmaceutical industries. People can get addicted to alcohol, caffeine, and opioids and those aren't illegal
>without giving the consumer any drug induced highs or possible addiction
but the high will pass and marijuana doesn't have any particularly dangerous side effects, especially relative to modern prescription and over the counter drugs. Plus once it's legalized/decriminalized people can just grow it themselves and take money out of the illegal drug and pharmaceutical industries. People can get addicted to alcohol, caffeine, and opioids and those aren't illegal
>>87446
I can't defend my stance with a proper argument and my reasoning is petty, but the, "duuuuude weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed bro" stoners in high school and college were so obnoxious that I will always vote to keep weed banned purely out of spite.
I can't defend my stance with a proper argument and my reasoning is petty, but the, "duuuuude weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed bro" stoners in high school and college were so obnoxious that I will always vote to keep weed banned purely out of spite.
Weed is legal in my country, it's hilarious to see ads like "if you smoke don't drive" and "Cannabis and work don't go together"
Yet I do believe it could be an issue, I do not know the prolonged effects of marijuana on the brain, but that's just a minor inconvenience compared to what I have in mind:
Recreational purposes.
Now, lets say we legalize marijuana just like Uruguay did, it's perfectly legal to eat, smoke, grow, drink, ingest, build or do whatever the heck you want with marijuana, what comes out of that?
A population with a growing habit of ingesting marijuana afther work.
This might not see like a problem at first, they are just smoking, not harming no one; That is not truth, they are harming themselves.
How do you exactly harm yourself smoking marijuana? It's really simple, you see, when you hit the pot, you are done for man, you will not spend that time doing useful stuff, you will mostly spend that time just laughing or enjoying your new state of mind, you smoked it for a reason, you want to chill and enjoy life, so you end up doing nothing all day.
Just like videogame addiction sucks up 10 hours a day, smoking a joint might too take 10 hours off your day, hours you could be spending working out, learning some cool stuff, discovering a new passion or whatever.
I do believe not everyone will get high 10 hours a day, just a small fraction of the population.
But now, we have a small fraction who spends their time playing games, another smoking weed, another drinking, another watching television or movies and some of them even switch from one thing to another, one day they play games, the other they watch TV, the other they smoke weed..
What we end up is with a small fraction of the country actually investing their time in becoming better, useful or doing something for their own sake/quality of life.
It's ok to get high if you want or to spend your life however you want, but I feel our population has no love for ourselves;
I feel like the people do not understand that the first responsibility they ever get in life is taking care of themselves.
If the population doesn't learn that spending all day doing nothing is bad for them, and we keep pumping new ways of wasting time into the world, we will end up just like WALL-E.
And the worst thing is, people has such a small sense of self-love, they might not see nothing wrong with our population becoming that of WALL-E.
A thing which is becoming a reality at an alarming speed.
>I am sorry for the WoT
Yet I do believe it could be an issue, I do not know the prolonged effects of marijuana on the brain, but that's just a minor inconvenience compared to what I have in mind:
Recreational purposes.
Now, lets say we legalize marijuana just like Uruguay did, it's perfectly legal to eat, smoke, grow, drink, ingest, build or do whatever the heck you want with marijuana, what comes out of that?
A population with a growing habit of ingesting marijuana afther work.
This might not see like a problem at first, they are just smoking, not harming no one; That is not truth, they are harming themselves.
How do you exactly harm yourself smoking marijuana? It's really simple, you see, when you hit the pot, you are done for man, you will not spend that time doing useful stuff, you will mostly spend that time just laughing or enjoying your new state of mind, you smoked it for a reason, you want to chill and enjoy life, so you end up doing nothing all day.
Just like videogame addiction sucks up 10 hours a day, smoking a joint might too take 10 hours off your day, hours you could be spending working out, learning some cool stuff, discovering a new passion or whatever.
I do believe not everyone will get high 10 hours a day, just a small fraction of the population.
But now, we have a small fraction who spends their time playing games, another smoking weed, another drinking, another watching television or movies and some of them even switch from one thing to another, one day they play games, the other they watch TV, the other they smoke weed..
What we end up is with a small fraction of the country actually investing their time in becoming better, useful or doing something for their own sake/quality of life.
It's ok to get high if you want or to spend your life however you want, but I feel our population has no love for ourselves;
I feel like the people do not understand that the first responsibility they ever get in life is taking care of themselves.
If the population doesn't learn that spending all day doing nothing is bad for them, and we keep pumping new ways of wasting time into the world, we will end up just like WALL-E.
And the worst thing is, people has such a small sense of self-love, they might not see nothing wrong with our population becoming that of WALL-E.
A thing which is becoming a reality at an alarming speed.
>I am sorry for the WoT
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>>87566
Some people are going to do that regardless of whether or not it's legal. The difference is that they might get sent to jail and probably suffer reduced productivity/increased delinquency for life. It's a social problem, not a government problem.
Even if the law is 100% effective and everyone quits weed, they'll find other mindless and worthless pursuits, whether playing Clash of Clans, drinking vodka with redbull, or watching Jimmy Kimmel. In China, one kid was hospitalized after playing a dumb mobile game hours nonstop; another 7-year-old spent thousands of dollars of his parents' money. It's a social problem, not a government problem.
The War on Drugs has been a colossal failure that has cost America tens of billions of dollars yet has done nothing to improve the moral fiber of the nation. It's partly due to immigrants, of course, but also because if you ban something others will operate on the black market with disagreeable means. It's a social problem, not a government problem.
If we could stop people from "wasting time into the world" through legislation, then why not ban everything that wastes time? Where would we stop? We would just become a cheerless, tyrannical dystopia where people are afraid to try new things, like in the USSR or in Cromwell's England. Interestingly, Reagan's relaxation of regulations on children's entertainment led to the cartoon renaissance of the 80's and 90's. Toy-based shows like Transformers and MLP dragged the industry out of the morass of the 70's. Cannabis is a social issue, not a government issue.
>>87554
I knew one in HS too and they are the most retarded (in the worst sense of the word) individuals you could know. However, this was in a Bible-belt state that still bans marijuana; its illicit property doesn't stop them but only justifies their worldview.
Some people are going to do that regardless of whether or not it's legal. The difference is that they might get sent to jail and probably suffer reduced productivity/increased delinquency for life. It's a social problem, not a government problem.
Even if the law is 100% effective and everyone quits weed, they'll find other mindless and worthless pursuits, whether playing Clash of Clans, drinking vodka with redbull, or watching Jimmy Kimmel. In China, one kid was hospitalized after playing a dumb mobile game hours nonstop; another 7-year-old spent thousands of dollars of his parents' money. It's a social problem, not a government problem.
The War on Drugs has been a colossal failure that has cost America tens of billions of dollars yet has done nothing to improve the moral fiber of the nation. It's partly due to immigrants, of course, but also because if you ban something others will operate on the black market with disagreeable means. It's a social problem, not a government problem.
If we could stop people from "wasting time into the world" through legislation, then why not ban everything that wastes time? Where would we stop? We would just become a cheerless, tyrannical dystopia where people are afraid to try new things, like in the USSR or in Cromwell's England. Interestingly, Reagan's relaxation of regulations on children's entertainment led to the cartoon renaissance of the 80's and 90's. Toy-based shows like Transformers and MLP dragged the industry out of the morass of the 70's. Cannabis is a social issue, not a government issue.
>>87554
I knew one in HS too and they are the most retarded (in the worst sense of the word) individuals you could know. However, this was in a Bible-belt state that still bans marijuana; its illicit property doesn't stop them but only justifies their worldview.
>>87582
I'm saying exactly that is a social problem, my proposal is not to ban anything that wasted time but to stop pumping more ways to waste time into the world until people learn a thing or two about time management.
Wanting it or not when something is illegal it is more unlikely that a big portion of the population will try it, if not pressured into wanting it.
On the other hand it might be more appealing for another big chunk of the population as doing ilegal things is considered "cool" for some.
It is indeed a social problem, and a social problem is also a government problem.
>the cartoon renaissance of the 80's and 90's.
Which led to many problems over the years, problems solved by more legislations.
Plus now we have a lot of manchildren watching mlp, furries fapping to Lola bunny and shit like that, hurray?
No good comes without bad and no bad comes without good.
I am not against stoping people from doing whatever they like, but I do support teaching people the basic skills they need before gaining more toys to play with.
Skills like self control, critical thinking, logic and responsibility, or whatever might one need to control it's basic desires.
I'm saying exactly that is a social problem, my proposal is not to ban anything that wasted time but to stop pumping more ways to waste time into the world until people learn a thing or two about time management.
Wanting it or not when something is illegal it is more unlikely that a big portion of the population will try it, if not pressured into wanting it.
On the other hand it might be more appealing for another big chunk of the population as doing ilegal things is considered "cool" for some.
It is indeed a social problem, and a social problem is also a government problem.
>the cartoon renaissance of the 80's and 90's.
Which led to many problems over the years, problems solved by more legislations.
Plus now we have a lot of manchildren watching mlp, furries fapping to Lola bunny and shit like that, hurray?
No good comes without bad and no bad comes without good.
I am not against stoping people from doing whatever they like, but I do support teaching people the basic skills they need before gaining more toys to play with.
Skills like self control, critical thinking, logic and responsibility, or whatever might one need to control it's basic desires.
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>>87554
tbh this is about how I feel. I suspect weed legalization is one part of the culture war the right is going to lose regardless of what else happens, and in the grand scheme of things it's probably not a hill that's worth dying on, but even so I just refuse to support it. I absolutely can't stand potheads. It probably will end up completely legal eventually one way or the other and I guess I don't care that much since I don't smoke it anyway, but that doesn't mean I have to be part of the effort to make it happen.
tbh this is about how I feel. I suspect weed legalization is one part of the culture war the right is going to lose regardless of what else happens, and in the grand scheme of things it's probably not a hill that's worth dying on, but even so I just refuse to support it. I absolutely can't stand potheads. It probably will end up completely legal eventually one way or the other and I guess I don't care that much since I don't smoke it anyway, but that doesn't mean I have to be part of the effort to make it happen.
>>87673
>>87554
More or less this. I think I can justify it by the fact that it is scientifically shown to kill memory and damage the emotional center of the brain, but really, the actual reason why I oppose it, is just this feeling that all of the potheads I know in real life act as if they are brain damaged, and are just obnoxious.
>>87554
More or less this. I think I can justify it by the fact that it is scientifically shown to kill memory and damage the emotional center of the brain, but really, the actual reason why I oppose it, is just this feeling that all of the potheads I know in real life act as if they are brain damaged, and are just obnoxious.
>>87673
Or, you could take the position for it and perhaps win a battle. That worked for Trump a little when he sort of went for it. It's a good tool to get more votes.
Or, you could take the position for it and perhaps win a battle. That worked for Trump a little when he sort of went for it. It's a good tool to get more votes.
>>87678
I'm neglecting fighting on the weed front because my efforts are towards trying to convince my representatives to finally get the hearing protection act pushed through. After that I'd prefer that we get to work shredding these unconstitutional gun control laws that been enacted over the past few decades. The sale of newly manufactured automatic weapons should be legal for law abiding citizens.
I'm neglecting fighting on the weed front because my efforts are towards trying to convince my representatives to finally get the hearing protection act pushed through. After that I'd prefer that we get to work shredding these unconstitutional gun control laws that been enacted over the past few decades. The sale of newly manufactured automatic weapons should be legal for law abiding citizens.
>>87685
Can't say I disagree. I don't think you would have to fight on the front, just watch from the sidelines and keep it in mind. There's not much to think of considering this issue.
Can't say I disagree. I don't think you would have to fight on the front, just watch from the sidelines and keep it in mind. There's not much to think of considering this issue.
>>87446
in my personal experience, those who I've seen advocating for weed recreationally are hard left, and even in one case, communist. In terms of medicine, I don't think I have enough of an idea of what it can do and the possible side effects (besides the getting high) to make any sort of educated decision. My only reason for doing anything would be keeping recreational illegal, simply so they can continue bitching about it and giving me trace amounts of salt.
in my personal experience, those who I've seen advocating for weed recreationally are hard left, and even in one case, communist. In terms of medicine, I don't think I have enough of an idea of what it can do and the possible side effects (besides the getting high) to make any sort of educated decision. My only reason for doing anything would be keeping recreational illegal, simply so they can continue bitching about it and giving me trace amounts of salt.
> Boy Who Suffered Up To 100 Seizures A Day Has None In 300 Days After Being Prescribed Cannabis Oil
http://archive.li/bZQF6
maybe I'm just too much of a filthy ancap but I really can't abide by big government and the pharmaceutical industry telling private citizens what they can and can't do. Outside of it's obvious medical uses and the benefit of being able to grow cheap effective medicine in your backyard business could be started to make paper and other products out of cannabis that would be more effective in a lot of ways than what we use today, why cut down trees when weed grows faster and takes up less space?
http://archive.li/bZQF6
maybe I'm just too much of a filthy ancap but I really can't abide by big government and the pharmaceutical industry telling private citizens what they can and can't do. Outside of it's obvious medical uses and the benefit of being able to grow cheap effective medicine in your backyard business could be started to make paper and other products out of cannabis that would be more effective in a lot of ways than what we use today, why cut down trees when weed grows faster and takes up less space?
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