The Musk vs Trump fued has gone nuclear. A few examples, pic related. Trump is already in a bad position due to circumstances such as Ukraine, Iran, Gaza, and the bond market. One's opinion is that this has a high enough likelihood to severely weaken the president or force a change in power. This at a time of peril both domestically and in foreign affairs. The situation may be exploited by internal and external rivals to the US and each other. Factional power grabs and infighting domestically could lead to consequences overseas.
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>>391994
>Or too random and bizarre to believe?
I expected there to be a crashing out between the two of them at some point. Elon is an unstable, drug-addicted sperg, and Trump is an egotistical troll by nature. I just didn't expect it all to happen over a spending bill, or that Elon would sperg out so hard and go so far to burn the bridge between them.
>Thats the real thing that keeps people believing there is some secret motive behind what Trump does.
Formerly it was mostly the "trust the plan!" Qtards; now it's the Bluetards who think everything he does is a secret plot to take over the world.
>he is a total narcissist
Yeah, I never really contested this.
>That said, the spat with Musk might well be continuing because its useful as a distraction for Trump as things fall apart everywhere around him.
Elaborate. How are things falling apart?
>Or too random and bizarre to believe?
I expected there to be a crashing out between the two of them at some point. Elon is an unstable, drug-addicted sperg, and Trump is an egotistical troll by nature. I just didn't expect it all to happen over a spending bill, or that Elon would sperg out so hard and go so far to burn the bridge between them.
>Thats the real thing that keeps people believing there is some secret motive behind what Trump does.
Formerly it was mostly the "trust the plan!" Qtards; now it's the Bluetards who think everything he does is a secret plot to take over the world.
>he is a total narcissist
Yeah, I never really contested this.
>That said, the spat with Musk might well be continuing because its useful as a distraction for Trump as things fall apart everywhere around him.
Elaborate. How are things falling apart?
>>391996
>or that Elon would sperg out so hard and go so far to burn the bridge between them
In a strategic sense, that may have been the plan all along, depending on what is actually in the Epstein files. Elon doesn't care if he gets egg on his face for tweets, but he's absolutely building support for a releasing of the epstein files. And while those files MIGHT be bad for Trump, there's ZERO chance that they aren't bad for alot of other people
>or that Elon would sperg out so hard and go so far to burn the bridge between them
In a strategic sense, that may have been the plan all along, depending on what is actually in the Epstein files. Elon doesn't care if he gets egg on his face for tweets, but he's absolutely building support for a releasing of the epstein files. And while those files MIGHT be bad for Trump, there's ZERO chance that they aren't bad for alot of other people
>>391998
>In a strategic sense, that may have been the plan all along
What plan?
If the Epstein files actually did implicate Trump, that would mean that Elon actually knew all along and covered it up for some reason.
If the files didn't implicate Trump, that would mean Elon is a liar and a drama queen to boot, and Trump would probably sue the shit out of him.
There is no situation in which bringing this up is beneficial to Elon. Either way, it makes him look like a liar and/or an idiot. Idk what he was thinking, and I can only assume he was high. In a way, I feel sorry for him, because I am also a sperg and I feel like I would do something as publicly self-destructive as this if I had the same wealth and fame as Elon.
>Elon doesn't care if he gets egg on his face for tweets
This is a guy egotistical enough to pay a team of pajeets to man his Path Of Exile account so that he could be the top player in the world, just so that gamers would like him. He is a ridiculously vain person.
>but he's absolutely building support for a releasing of the epstein files
If that's what he wanted, why would he wait this long?
>And while those files MIGHT be bad for Trump, there's ZERO chance that they aren't bad for alot of other people
Fair point.
[Read more] >In a strategic sense, that may have been the plan all along
What plan?
If the Epstein files actually did implicate Trump, that would mean that Elon actually knew all along and covered it up for some reason.
If the files didn't implicate Trump, that would mean Elon is a liar and a drama queen to boot, and Trump would probably sue the shit out of him.
There is no situation in which bringing this up is beneficial to Elon. Either way, it makes him look like a liar and/or an idiot. Idk what he was thinking, and I can only assume he was high. In a way, I feel sorry for him, because I am also a sperg and I feel like I would do something as publicly self-destructive as this if I had the same wealth and fame as Elon.
>Elon doesn't care if he gets egg on his face for tweets
This is a guy egotistical enough to pay a team of pajeets to man his Path Of Exile account so that he could be the top player in the world, just so that gamers would like him. He is a ridiculously vain person.
>but he's absolutely building support for a releasing of the epstein files
If that's what he wanted, why would he wait this long?
>And while those files MIGHT be bad for Trump, there's ZERO chance that they aren't bad for alot of other people
Fair point.
>>391650
It looks like Elon has deleted the post about Epstein.
He's backtracking, but it's way too late now.
It looks like Elon has deleted the post about Epstein.
He's backtracking, but it's way too late now.
>>391996
>How are things falling apart?
Trump is either not willing or not able to deliver on the expectations created by his campaign and the reforms needed to stabilize the USA. Granted its an extremely difficult if not impossible task with dug in opposition used to running things from the shadows.
>too many migrants to deport
>DOGE cuts are a drop in the bucket compared to social security, medicare, defense, and debt interest
>every spending cut is fought out in court
>the Ukraine slaughter continues, funded by the US and run by US officers on the ground in Ukraine. Germany and UK are not doing it, though they are being falsely blamed to make it seem the US is not that involved.
>Gaza continues unabated
>No deal with Iran
>China-Russia-Iran and that entire huge connected landmass of Asia is mostly alienated from the US and working together
>Ukraine shows that America's and NATO's weapons and tactics are obsolete
>Russia simply DGAF about anything the West can do. sanctions only help their economy because now they make their own things which they used to import, while still exporting their oil directly to China and India.
>the economy has bifurcated between those who have and those who have not. the have nots encompass not only bums and welfare queens but many from a middle class background, educated and high functioning
>tariffs and trade deals have been difficult to implement and the results are actually promising but no one explains this to the brainwashed hypnotized public
>the consequences of not fixing these things are dire - the Democrat suicide march could very well continue
>perhaps most importantly, the bond market freaked out a month or two ago at a time when interest rates are already upwards of 5%
Again, the absolute state of the US right now is not the fault of President Trump, but the expectations were created that he was the genius hero who would save America and the world.
[Read more] >How are things falling apart?
Trump is either not willing or not able to deliver on the expectations created by his campaign and the reforms needed to stabilize the USA. Granted its an extremely difficult if not impossible task with dug in opposition used to running things from the shadows.
>too many migrants to deport
>DOGE cuts are a drop in the bucket compared to social security, medicare, defense, and debt interest
>every spending cut is fought out in court
>the Ukraine slaughter continues, funded by the US and run by US officers on the ground in Ukraine. Germany and UK are not doing it, though they are being falsely blamed to make it seem the US is not that involved.
>Gaza continues unabated
>No deal with Iran
>China-Russia-Iran and that entire huge connected landmass of Asia is mostly alienated from the US and working together
>Ukraine shows that America's and NATO's weapons and tactics are obsolete
>Russia simply DGAF about anything the West can do. sanctions only help their economy because now they make their own things which they used to import, while still exporting their oil directly to China and India.
>the economy has bifurcated between those who have and those who have not. the have nots encompass not only bums and welfare queens but many from a middle class background, educated and high functioning
>tariffs and trade deals have been difficult to implement and the results are actually promising but no one explains this to the brainwashed hypnotized public
>the consequences of not fixing these things are dire - the Democrat suicide march could very well continue
>perhaps most importantly, the bond market freaked out a month or two ago at a time when interest rates are already upwards of 5%
Again, the absolute state of the US right now is not the fault of President Trump, but the expectations were created that he was the genius hero who would save America and the world.
>>392002
>Trump is either not willing or not able to deliver on the expectations created by his campaign
That doesn't necessarily mean things are falling apart. That's what every president does. The world isn't about to end because of it.
>>the consequences of not fixing these things are dire
Maybe in the long term, yeah.
>Again, the absolute state of the US right now is not the fault of President Trump, but the expectations were created that he was the genius hero who would save America and the world.
On this, I agree.
>Trump is either not willing or not able to deliver on the expectations created by his campaign
That doesn't necessarily mean things are falling apart. That's what every president does. The world isn't about to end because of it.
>>the consequences of not fixing these things are dire
Maybe in the long term, yeah.
>Again, the absolute state of the US right now is not the fault of President Trump, but the expectations were created that he was the genius hero who would save America and the world.
On this, I agree.
>>392002
>Trump is either not willing or not able to deliver on the expectations created by his campaign and the reforms needed to stabilize the USA.
I legit don't understand this view, only explanation I can think of is a natural inclination towards pessimism for some people, or people having unrealistic expectations to begin with. Trump is pretty diligently working to do what he promised and has been mostly successful so far.
>too many migrants to deport
He's still deporting a ton of them. It's going to take awhile, especially with all the legal bullshit that needs to be untangled, but things are moving in the right direction.
>DOGE cuts are a drop in the bucket compared to social security, medicare, defense, and debt interest
>every spending cut is fought out in court
This was to be expected. At this point it's more about getting the trains running on time.
>the Ukraine slaughter continues, funded by the US and run by US officers on the ground in Ukraine. Germany and UK are not doing it, though they are being falsely blamed to make it seem the US is not that involved.
>Gaza continues unabated
>No deal with Iran
>China-Russia-Iran and that entire huge connected landmass of Asia is mostly alienated from the US and working together
This would be the case no matter who was president. These countries are unstable shitholes that are going to hate us one way or the other.
>Ukraine shows that America's and NATO's weapons and tactics are obsolete
>Russia simply DGAF about anything the West can do. sanctions only help their economy because now they make their own things which they used to import, while still exporting their oil directly to China and India.
Debatable actually, there's propaganda coming from all sides and it's hard to tell who's "winning" at this point. In the long run Ukraine is probably fucked either way; Zelensky is a delusional retard who honestly thinks he can win a war off attrition and Putin is unlikely to accept any peace deal if there's any chance of Ukraine eventually rearming. There was never going to be a peace deal, best thing Trump can do is mitigate the damage and keep us out of any serious fighting. This is yet another situation where things would be the same regardless of who was president, but we're much better off with Trump than we would be if we had a president who actively wanted a war with Russia.
>the economy has bifurcated between those who have and those who have not. the have nots encompass not only bums and welfare queens but many from a middle class background, educated and high functioning
You just can't stop listing things that would be the same regardless of who was president. This is the end stage result of 80+ years of excessive borrowing and bad fiscal policy, it's not going to turn on a dime. Again, things are at least moving in the right direction now.
>tariffs and trade deals have been difficult to implement and the results are actually promising but no one explains this to the brainwashed hypnotized public
I think Trump is actually handling all of this pretty well. He has a pattern where he sets unreasonably high tariffs to force the other side to negotiate, then backs off when they come to the table, then when he doesn't like what he hears from them he goes back to threatening high tariffs again. It's the same negotiating strategy he used in the 80s and 90s to cut real estate deals. My prediction is that it will cause some chaos in the short term but pay dividends in the near long term. Most people don't understand basic economics, but once things start settling down and trending positive in a couple of years people's views will turn more positive, same thing happened with Reagan.
>the consequences of not fixing these things are dire - the Democrat suicide march could very well continue
I agree that if the democrats end up back in power it would be bad news, but I think you underestimate just how bad a walloping they took in this last election. They're down across the board, they're even losing ground with minorities and women according to the polls I've seen. It will take them awhile to recover.
>perhaps most importantly, the bond market freaked out a month or two ago at a time when interest rates are already upwards of 5%
I don't pretend to understand the economy at a nuts and bolts level, but it seems like markets are constantly freaking out over dumb things and will settle down eventually.
>the expectations were created that he was the genius hero who would save America and the world.
This is the whole problem as far as I'm concerned. People who had unreasonable expectations of him to begin with were always going to be disappointed, and its their own fault for setting the bar so high. For my part, I think Trump has met or exceeded everything I was hoping for from him, in fact he's exceeded my expectations mostly, and his second term is a huge improvement on his first. I'm extremely happy with his performance and I don't see how things could realistically have turned out better.
Important thing to keep in mind is that there are a lot of problems with the macro situation that can only be managed, not changed:
>there will probably be a major world-war type conflict breaking out in Europe over the next 5-10 years
>we are not getting out of debt any time soon
>only realistic way to cut spending in a way that will make a difference is to kill medicare and social security, which is politically impossible as long as there are boomers alive
>there is going to be short term economic chaos either way
>the middle east will continue to be a chaotic shithole
With that in mind, it's important to keep electing leaders who can deal with the situation realistically and in our favor. Keep us out of any serious wars that break out, manage the economic bullshit as best we can, get rid of as many immigrants as possible, dismantle globalism piece by piece. The day to day results will be a mixed bag, the important thing is to keep moving in the right direction.
[Read more] >Trump is either not willing or not able to deliver on the expectations created by his campaign and the reforms needed to stabilize the USA.
I legit don't understand this view, only explanation I can think of is a natural inclination towards pessimism for some people, or people having unrealistic expectations to begin with. Trump is pretty diligently working to do what he promised and has been mostly successful so far.
>too many migrants to deport
He's still deporting a ton of them. It's going to take awhile, especially with all the legal bullshit that needs to be untangled, but things are moving in the right direction.
>DOGE cuts are a drop in the bucket compared to social security, medicare, defense, and debt interest
>every spending cut is fought out in court
This was to be expected. At this point it's more about getting the trains running on time.
>the Ukraine slaughter continues, funded by the US and run by US officers on the ground in Ukraine. Germany and UK are not doing it, though they are being falsely blamed to make it seem the US is not that involved.
>Gaza continues unabated
>No deal with Iran
>China-Russia-Iran and that entire huge connected landmass of Asia is mostly alienated from the US and working together
This would be the case no matter who was president. These countries are unstable shitholes that are going to hate us one way or the other.
>Ukraine shows that America's and NATO's weapons and tactics are obsolete
>Russia simply DGAF about anything the West can do. sanctions only help their economy because now they make their own things which they used to import, while still exporting their oil directly to China and India.
Debatable actually, there's propaganda coming from all sides and it's hard to tell who's "winning" at this point. In the long run Ukraine is probably fucked either way; Zelensky is a delusional retard who honestly thinks he can win a war off attrition and Putin is unlikely to accept any peace deal if there's any chance of Ukraine eventually rearming. There was never going to be a peace deal, best thing Trump can do is mitigate the damage and keep us out of any serious fighting. This is yet another situation where things would be the same regardless of who was president, but we're much better off with Trump than we would be if we had a president who actively wanted a war with Russia.
>the economy has bifurcated between those who have and those who have not. the have nots encompass not only bums and welfare queens but many from a middle class background, educated and high functioning
You just can't stop listing things that would be the same regardless of who was president. This is the end stage result of 80+ years of excessive borrowing and bad fiscal policy, it's not going to turn on a dime. Again, things are at least moving in the right direction now.
>tariffs and trade deals have been difficult to implement and the results are actually promising but no one explains this to the brainwashed hypnotized public
I think Trump is actually handling all of this pretty well. He has a pattern where he sets unreasonably high tariffs to force the other side to negotiate, then backs off when they come to the table, then when he doesn't like what he hears from them he goes back to threatening high tariffs again. It's the same negotiating strategy he used in the 80s and 90s to cut real estate deals. My prediction is that it will cause some chaos in the short term but pay dividends in the near long term. Most people don't understand basic economics, but once things start settling down and trending positive in a couple of years people's views will turn more positive, same thing happened with Reagan.
>the consequences of not fixing these things are dire - the Democrat suicide march could very well continue
I agree that if the democrats end up back in power it would be bad news, but I think you underestimate just how bad a walloping they took in this last election. They're down across the board, they're even losing ground with minorities and women according to the polls I've seen. It will take them awhile to recover.
>perhaps most importantly, the bond market freaked out a month or two ago at a time when interest rates are already upwards of 5%
I don't pretend to understand the economy at a nuts and bolts level, but it seems like markets are constantly freaking out over dumb things and will settle down eventually.
>the expectations were created that he was the genius hero who would save America and the world.
This is the whole problem as far as I'm concerned. People who had unreasonable expectations of him to begin with were always going to be disappointed, and its their own fault for setting the bar so high. For my part, I think Trump has met or exceeded everything I was hoping for from him, in fact he's exceeded my expectations mostly, and his second term is a huge improvement on his first. I'm extremely happy with his performance and I don't see how things could realistically have turned out better.
Important thing to keep in mind is that there are a lot of problems with the macro situation that can only be managed, not changed:
>there will probably be a major world-war type conflict breaking out in Europe over the next 5-10 years
>we are not getting out of debt any time soon
>only realistic way to cut spending in a way that will make a difference is to kill medicare and social security, which is politically impossible as long as there are boomers alive
>there is going to be short term economic chaos either way
>the middle east will continue to be a chaotic shithole
With that in mind, it's important to keep electing leaders who can deal with the situation realistically and in our favor. Keep us out of any serious wars that break out, manage the economic bullshit as best we can, get rid of as many immigrants as possible, dismantle globalism piece by piece. The day to day results will be a mixed bag, the important thing is to keep moving in the right direction.
>>392006
I agree with alot of your points, but you wrote alot so I'll be brief
>it's important to keep electing leaders who can deal with the situation realistically and in our favor
This point can't be overstated. Let's look at it from a basic stand-point: either Trump is doing the best he can or he's deliberately not delivering on aspects of his campaign.
Is ANYONE laboring under the delusion that EITHER end of that spectrum is WORSE than what we would be experiencing right now under Kamala?
I agree with alot of your points, but you wrote alot so I'll be brief
>it's important to keep electing leaders who can deal with the situation realistically and in our favor
This point can't be overstated. Let's look at it from a basic stand-point: either Trump is doing the best he can or he's deliberately not delivering on aspects of his campaign.
Is ANYONE laboring under the delusion that EITHER end of that spectrum is WORSE than what we would be experiencing right now under Kamala?
>>392006
>I think you underestimate just how bad a walloping they took in this last election
Likely I do understimate the walloping now that you mention it. I'll keep this in mind.
>>392007
>Is ANYONE laboring under the delusion that EITHER end of that spectrum is WORSE than what we would be experiencing right now under Kamala?
Oh, heavens no.
>I think you underestimate just how bad a walloping they took in this last election
Likely I do understimate the walloping now that you mention it. I'll keep this in mind.
>>392007
>Is ANYONE laboring under the delusion that EITHER end of that spectrum is WORSE than what we would be experiencing right now under Kamala?
Oh, heavens no.
>>392041
I hate how parties aren't named after their function anymore
<greenback party? what's their deal
>they wanna use greenbacks as the currency
<communist party? what's their deal
>they want socialism so they can want communism under socialism
<democratic party? what's their deal?
>they want a republic and already have it
<then what's the republican party's deal?
>same thing
<america party? what's their deal?
>it is a party in america
If I were to make a party I'd call it the evacuation party, whose goal is to get everyone out of here as soon as possible, I don't think this shit is salvagable.
[Read more] I hate how parties aren't named after their function anymore
<greenback party? what's their deal
>they wanna use greenbacks as the currency
<communist party? what's their deal
>they want socialism so they can want communism under socialism
<democratic party? what's their deal?
>they want a republic and already have it
<then what's the republican party's deal?
>same thing
<america party? what's their deal?
>it is a party in america
If I were to make a party I'd call it the evacuation party, whose goal is to get everyone out of here as soon as possible, I don't think this shit is salvagable.
>>392045
To go where? Bali?
People need to secure and reinforce their local communities and form networks of inter-connected self reliance
To go where? Bali?
People need to secure and reinforce their local communities and form networks of inter-connected self reliance
>>392047
Places more stable than here, preferably a veriety of options and ways to ensure it's easy for people that are close to stick together. I don't know of any countries that have geared their economies primarily around evacuation as an end goal though.
>People need to secure and reinforce their local communities and form networks of inter-connected self reliance
I doubt that's possible here. We should look into places that already have that.
Places more stable than here, preferably a veriety of options and ways to ensure it's easy for people that are close to stick together. I don't know of any countries that have geared their economies primarily around evacuation as an end goal though.
>People need to secure and reinforce their local communities and form networks of inter-connected self reliance
I doubt that's possible here. We should look into places that already have that.
Elon Musk's Father arrived in Moscow.
B-but, it is just a cohencidence.
B-but, it is just a cohencidence.
>>392067
This is why Musk is the right leader for the new milennium. He can build rocket ships to get away from the diversity.
This is why Musk is the right leader for the new milennium. He can build rocket ships to get away from the diversity.
>>392003
>Maybe in the long term, yeah.
This has been going on for quite a while. and gradually can become suddenly very fast.
>Maybe in the long term, yeah.
This has been going on for quite a while. and gradually can become suddenly very fast.
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