how can we even be anarchocapitalists under any sort of government. how is it possible to even try when it’s impossible in the state. why does anyone have hope for this ideology. i really thought i got it when i was like 15 but there’s no point, even libertarians are getting fucked. there’s not enough of us to fuck up the govenment so why try
also why do we all draw her with dollars and not bits, she’s a horse people
also also please post her more here, makeshift ancap pone thread
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>>397738
I literally greentexted your half-answer. I asked you for specifics on the matter, because the answer you gave is vague. I was genuinely curious if Socialists have an actual solution to this problem, because it is an issue that I care about and would be open to hearing the Socialist position on the topic. Is that really all you have to say about the problem of foreign labor undermining labor movements? Even my liberal friends have been increasingly vocal about how exploitative migrant labor is threat to domestic labor movements.
Even the distributist guy is making a better case for his fringe economic system than you are. Learn to debate in good faith.
>>397735
No, the most retarded idea is the withering of that state. It's nonsensical idealism to imagine an institution that commands all the world's resources would just voluntarily dismantle itself, instead of the shitheads running the show jealously clinging to power like they always have in human history. The fact that communism doesn't provide for any political mechanism to force the withering of the state is a major flaw in the plan.
>>397737
>there's nothing normal about
You say it's not normal, but it's been the status quo for the past 12k years of human civilization. That's the definition of normal.
That doesn't mean it's not bad, but it is normal.
I literally greentexted your half-answer. I asked you for specifics on the matter, because the answer you gave is vague. I was genuinely curious if Socialists have an actual solution to this problem, because it is an issue that I care about and would be open to hearing the Socialist position on the topic. Is that really all you have to say about the problem of foreign labor undermining labor movements? Even my liberal friends have been increasingly vocal about how exploitative migrant labor is threat to domestic labor movements.
Even the distributist guy is making a better case for his fringe economic system than you are. Learn to debate in good faith.
>>397735
No, the most retarded idea is the withering of that state. It's nonsensical idealism to imagine an institution that commands all the world's resources would just voluntarily dismantle itself, instead of the shitheads running the show jealously clinging to power like they always have in human history. The fact that communism doesn't provide for any political mechanism to force the withering of the state is a major flaw in the plan.
>>397737
>there's nothing normal about
You say it's not normal, but it's been the status quo for the past 12k years of human civilization. That's the definition of normal.
That doesn't mean it's not bad, but it is normal.
>>397739
You're continuing to misuse the terms I've already provided definitions for and you're owed no response. Now everyone else can see why the list of relevant definitions was necessary, because all you've done so far is deliberately misrepresent what each of those terms means.
You're continuing to misuse the terms I've already provided definitions for and you're owed no response. Now everyone else can see why the list of relevant definitions was necessary, because all you've done so far is deliberately misrepresent what each of those terms means.
>>397737
You could get the value of your labor and more if you produce goods with your family and clan and also not get fucked by the intelligencia
You could get the value of your labor and more if you produce goods with your family and clan and also not get fucked by the intelligencia
>>397739
>The fact that communism doesn't provide for any political mechanism to force the withering of the state is a major flaw in the plan.
Well said
>The fact that communism doesn't provide for any political mechanism to force the withering of the state is a major flaw in the plan.
Well said
>>397591
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>>397743
>>397739
You're fundamentally not understanding what "The State" is, or how it functions. You could read The State and Revolution by Lenin if you actually wanted to criticize the concept but you'd rather snark at a shallow misunderstanding of terms you intentionally refuse to understand - even as they're spoon-fed to you.
>>397556
>>397743
>>397739
You're fundamentally not understanding what "The State" is, or how it functions. You could read The State and Revolution by Lenin if you actually wanted to criticize the concept but you'd rather snark at a shallow misunderstanding of terms you intentionally refuse to understand - even as they're spoon-fed to you.
>>397740
>you're owed no response
Then I see I'm wasting my time with you.
I would have hoped that socialists had a solution to the problem, but I guess I'll go check out the links the Distributist provided instead.
Btw, notice how the farm labor movements in the 1970s didn't go anywhere? Notice how those unions don't exist anymore? They're all dead. The farm labor movement is dead. The reason those unions are gone is because the rich kikes who bought up all of the farmland realized that they could just replace American workers with migrants, and once they did that they killed the farm labor movement.
If you fucks don't seriously consider how to address the issue of migrant labor undermining local proletariats movements, all of your labor movements will end in failure.
>>397742
The influence of the intelligencia is probably stronger than ever before, since the tech-reliant economy means that technocracy grows ever closer. Now it's going to become a battle over who runs the everything-machines, and who controls the data that goes into the LLMs.
>>397744
H1B pajeets and illegal spics replacing local workers to undermine labor movements was not an issue that Lenin faced in his time, which is why 20th century Socialists have very few solutions on the matter.
But sure, go ahead watch the union for your workplace slowly either away as the company that owns it realizes that they can replace you with third world shitskins. You're totally making great progress /s.
>you're owed no response
Then I see I'm wasting my time with you.
I would have hoped that socialists had a solution to the problem, but I guess I'll go check out the links the Distributist provided instead.
Btw, notice how the farm labor movements in the 1970s didn't go anywhere? Notice how those unions don't exist anymore? They're all dead. The farm labor movement is dead. The reason those unions are gone is because the rich kikes who bought up all of the farmland realized that they could just replace American workers with migrants, and once they did that they killed the farm labor movement.
If you fucks don't seriously consider how to address the issue of migrant labor undermining local proletariats movements, all of your labor movements will end in failure.
>>397742
The influence of the intelligencia is probably stronger than ever before, since the tech-reliant economy means that technocracy grows ever closer. Now it's going to become a battle over who runs the everything-machines, and who controls the data that goes into the LLMs.
>>397744
H1B pajeets and illegal spics replacing local workers to undermine labor movements was not an issue that Lenin faced in his time, which is why 20th century Socialists have very few solutions on the matter.
But sure, go ahead watch the union for your workplace slowly either away as the company that owns it realizes that they can replace you with third world shitskins. You're totally making great progress /s.
by the way this is also why debates with fascists aren't prioritized, not because people are afraid of the ideas but because truth is not found in validating nonsense with equal time. they have every incentive to pretend not to understand what you're saying and to misrepresent you simply to keep the debate going when we already know the correct solutions to issues. it's the same tactic used by flat-earthers who just want a platform, any platform, even when they know they'll lose on every point. their success lies in simply getting airtime and presenting the issue as a both sides equally valid topic of discussion. as long as the subject requires any deeper understanding whether in science economics or anything else it has the effect of creating doubt and legitimizing nonsense with dishonest rhetoric.
>>397747
>because truth is not found in validating nonsense with equal time
Then why did you spend so much time posting here?
>they have every incentive to pretend not to understand what you're saying
What incentives?
>it's the same tactic used by flat-earthers
You are exaggerating. I wasted hours debating with the flat earther in that abysmal thread, and flattie tactics are worse than you can even imagine. Go check it in /vx/ if you care.
>their success lies in simply getting airtime and presenting the issue as a both sides equally valid topic of discussion
If fascists are so bad at debating, why would they succeed from simply getting airtime?
>legitimizing nonsense with dishonest rhetoric
The issue of migrant labor undermining local labor movements is a very real issue with severe consequences, and you continue to ignore it with non-answers.
What do you do if a stadium full of bright-eyed, trusting working class farmers came to you and honestly asked them what your solution to migrants taking their jobs was? Would you have them watch a 4 hour video?
You refuse to give direct answers, and you wonder why the working class continues to move away from the left.
>because truth is not found in validating nonsense with equal time
Then why did you spend so much time posting here?
>they have every incentive to pretend not to understand what you're saying
What incentives?
>it's the same tactic used by flat-earthers
You are exaggerating. I wasted hours debating with the flat earther in that abysmal thread, and flattie tactics are worse than you can even imagine. Go check it in /vx/ if you care.
>their success lies in simply getting airtime and presenting the issue as a both sides equally valid topic of discussion
If fascists are so bad at debating, why would they succeed from simply getting airtime?
>legitimizing nonsense with dishonest rhetoric
The issue of migrant labor undermining local labor movements is a very real issue with severe consequences, and you continue to ignore it with non-answers.
What do you do if a stadium full of bright-eyed, trusting working class farmers came to you and honestly asked them what your solution to migrants taking their jobs was? Would you have them watch a 4 hour video?
You refuse to give direct answers, and you wonder why the working class continues to move away from the left.
>>397748
>Then why did you spend so much time posting here?
I'm in enemy territory. Disrupting the flat-earthers on their own forums is a different prospect than platforming them on a national stage to "just ask questions" about the Firmament.
>Then why did you spend so much time posting here?
I'm in enemy territory. Disrupting the flat-earthers on their own forums is a different prospect than platforming them on a national stage to "just ask questions" about the Firmament.
>>397748
>If fascists are so bad at debating, why would they succeed from simply getting airtime?
When your strategy relies on inflaming biases people already have, it's a Scopes Monkey Trial moment. They're not worried about the facts, they're playing on the indoctrination and bigotry society already has against science and facts because it conflicts with their "Mystical Truth", which is why the foundation of Marxism is Dialectical Materialism - a method rooted in material reality and constant change, not a fixed dogma.
See: Base and Superstructure definitions above.
>If fascists are so bad at debating, why would they succeed from simply getting airtime?
When your strategy relies on inflaming biases people already have, it's a Scopes Monkey Trial moment. They're not worried about the facts, they're playing on the indoctrination and bigotry society already has against science and facts because it conflicts with their "Mystical Truth", which is why the foundation of Marxism is Dialectical Materialism - a method rooted in material reality and constant change, not a fixed dogma.
See: Base and Superstructure definitions above.
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>>397750
>I'm in enemy territory.
Sad of you to think that way. Maybe it you had been more open to debating in good faith we might have been able to see eye to eye on some things, like the importance of unions and class consciousness. Too bad you had no interest in being a member of the community in the first place. Maybe Bluesky might be more to your liking.
>flat-earthers on their own forums
There's only one flat earther here (he is annoying). This is not a flat earth forum. It's a free speech forum, where all opinions are welcome, including retards like those of flat earthers and homicidal communists like you.
Come back anytime. Diversity of viewpoints is important for a forum's health, even the bad ones.
>bigotry society already has
Are you suggesting that people have a natural inclination towards fascism because it connects to intuitive tribal dispositions and social habits?
Because I agree.
>I'm in enemy territory.
Sad of you to think that way. Maybe it you had been more open to debating in good faith we might have been able to see eye to eye on some things, like the importance of unions and class consciousness. Too bad you had no interest in being a member of the community in the first place. Maybe Bluesky might be more to your liking.
>flat-earthers on their own forums
There's only one flat earther here (he is annoying). This is not a flat earth forum. It's a free speech forum, where all opinions are welcome, including retards like those of flat earthers and homicidal communists like you.
Come back anytime. Diversity of viewpoints is important for a forum's health, even the bad ones.
>bigotry society already has
Are you suggesting that people have a natural inclination towards fascism because it connects to intuitive tribal dispositions and social habits?
Because I agree.
>>397748
>The issue of migrant labor undermining
I want you to explain how an illegal immigrant laborer having the same workers rights and equal pay would retain the capitalist incentive to import foreign labor - much less if there was no capitalist and it was entirely worker owned. You're asking questions that scoff at changing critical pieces of a machine, and then not understanding that changes how the entire machine works. And your only actual objection to any of this is that minorities exist, and you just want to kill minorities and that's why you don't like socialism, because they don't validate your False Consciousness (see term list above).
>The issue of migrant labor undermining
I want you to explain how an illegal immigrant laborer having the same workers rights and equal pay would retain the capitalist incentive to import foreign labor - much less if there was no capitalist and it was entirely worker owned. You're asking questions that scoff at changing critical pieces of a machine, and then not understanding that changes how the entire machine works. And your only actual objection to any of this is that minorities exist, and you just want to kill minorities and that's why you don't like socialism, because they don't validate your False Consciousness (see term list above).
>>397754
>an illegal immigrant laborer having the same workers rights and equal pay
You're missing the point. How do we even get better labor standards if the migrants can be used to undermine the labor movements before they even start? How do you impose those standards without a strong labor movement. If you try to unionize, they would just replace you with migrants, like they have been for the past 50+ years. Half a century and the farm labor movement is even worse off than it was in the 60s. You know how that happened? Migrant labor.
>bigotry society already has
But how do you GET to that point? So long as workers are replaceable, they have no power.
>objection to any of this is that minorities exist
In part, yes, I despise the presence of the brownoids flooding in, for completely separate reasons, but my criticism of how they diminish the power is rooted in material pragmatism.
> you don't like socialism, because they don't validate your False Consciousness
You can call it whatever you want, but I won't see the appeal in an ideology that does nothing to address the values important to me.
Nationalism isn't just an issue for me, it's a cause.
>an illegal immigrant laborer having the same workers rights and equal pay
You're missing the point. How do we even get better labor standards if the migrants can be used to undermine the labor movements before they even start? How do you impose those standards without a strong labor movement. If you try to unionize, they would just replace you with migrants, like they have been for the past 50+ years. Half a century and the farm labor movement is even worse off than it was in the 60s. You know how that happened? Migrant labor.
>bigotry society already has
But how do you GET to that point? So long as workers are replaceable, they have no power.
>objection to any of this is that minorities exist
In part, yes, I despise the presence of the brownoids flooding in, for completely separate reasons, but my criticism of how they diminish the power is rooted in material pragmatism.
> you don't like socialism, because they don't validate your False Consciousness
You can call it whatever you want, but I won't see the appeal in an ideology that does nothing to address the values important to me.
Nationalism isn't just an issue for me, it's a cause.
>>397752
>people have a natural inclination towards fascism
No, see False Consciousness (term list above).
Also Base and Superstructure (term list above).
Continued debate on "What is 2+2" does not mean more people will be convinced of the right answer, especially not if their whole false cultural identity and material privilege is based in acting as if they believe it's 5. Debate requires a common ground in getting to the Truth, but Fascists necessarily do not believe in Truth at all, the core of it is the Mystical Truth that is in violation of facts and material reality - it is a cult, not a science.
>people have a natural inclination towards fascism
No, see False Consciousness (term list above).
Also Base and Superstructure (term list above).
Continued debate on "What is 2+2" does not mean more people will be convinced of the right answer, especially not if their whole false cultural identity and material privilege is based in acting as if they believe it's 5. Debate requires a common ground in getting to the Truth, but Fascists necessarily do not believe in Truth at all, the core of it is the Mystical Truth that is in violation of facts and material reality - it is a cult, not a science.
>>397759
>if their whole false cultural identity
Cultural identity is a thing that I value. People's priorities are based on their values. It's a matter of opinion.
>Debate requires a common ground
I began the discussion by pointing out the importance of trade unions. If that's not common ground between fascism and socialism, idk what would be.
Also, fascism is just an administrative ideology, rooted in materialism as well. The "Mystical Truth" you're referring to is moreso related to National Socialism, which is admittedly very esoteric.
>if their whole false cultural identity
Cultural identity is a thing that I value. People's priorities are based on their values. It's a matter of opinion.
>Debate requires a common ground
I began the discussion by pointing out the importance of trade unions. If that's not common ground between fascism and socialism, idk what would be.
Also, fascism is just an administrative ideology, rooted in materialism as well. The "Mystical Truth" you're referring to is moreso related to National Socialism, which is admittedly very esoteric.
>>397754
There is an additional component to illegals that make them much more desireable workers than citizens, and that is compliance. From their perspective, they came penniless and nameless, and thus are willing to make any amount of money to scrape by cuz 4 bucks is still more than 0 bucks. In addition, they'll never complain about pesky things like insurance and worker's comp cuz they are literally one phone call away from getting ICE on their ass. Even if I felt cute and gave them a real wage they'll still be cheaper than a citizen simply cuz they know their place in the company: expendable and submissive. An American? Oh, what a high maintenance piece of work! Demanding all sorts of shit, and god forbid, they come in asking for a raise!
There is an additional component to illegals that make them much more desireable workers than citizens, and that is compliance. From their perspective, they came penniless and nameless, and thus are willing to make any amount of money to scrape by cuz 4 bucks is still more than 0 bucks. In addition, they'll never complain about pesky things like insurance and worker's comp cuz they are literally one phone call away from getting ICE on their ass. Even if I felt cute and gave them a real wage they'll still be cheaper than a citizen simply cuz they know their place in the company: expendable and submissive. An American? Oh, what a high maintenance piece of work! Demanding all sorts of shit, and god forbid, they come in asking for a raise!
>>397762
You cannot even find a job picking tomatoes as an American citizen. They don't even advertise those jobs to Americans at all. They're not interested in local labor, and they don't want citizens to see the horrible ways they treat the migrants.
That's what killed the farm labor movement in America. American wage farmers were completely replaced by migrants, and now they can't even unionize to fix it because they're not even part of the picture anymore.
You cannot even find a job picking tomatoes as an American citizen. They don't even advertise those jobs to Americans at all. They're not interested in local labor, and they don't want citizens to see the horrible ways they treat the migrants.
That's what killed the farm labor movement in America. American wage farmers were completely replaced by migrants, and now they can't even unionize to fix it because they're not even part of the picture anymore.
>>397757
>How do you impose those standards
You're still just objecting to the means, not the end. And not understanding that Scabs are not a new or insurmountable issue, you're just grasping at straws to reject what I'm saying.
>How do you impose those standards
You're still just objecting to the means, not the end. And not understanding that Scabs are not a new or insurmountable issue, you're just grasping at straws to reject what I'm saying.
>>397765
>You're still just objecting to the means, not the end.
If you don't have a means, your end is just fanfiction.
What progress has the labor movement in America made in the past 30 years? Were you socialists able to sustain your unions in the presence of migrants replacing you? No, you weren't. That is the reality of the labor situation in America.
>You're still just objecting to the means, not the end.
If you don't have a means, your end is just fanfiction.
What progress has the labor movement in America made in the past 30 years? Were you socialists able to sustain your unions in the presence of migrants replacing you? No, you weren't. That is the reality of the labor situation in America.
>>397761
I'm so fucking sick of fascists in this thread not understanding their own ideology. No the fuck it isn't Materialist, it's Idealist, those are fundamentally different base conceptions of reality. No the fuck there isn't common ground between fascists and socialists, fascists appropriate the labels of things from Marxists to do literally the opposite of what they're based on. You're just a god damn idiot talking out of your ass because your whole ideology is meme bullshit. The only thing you can do to improve the discourse is shut the fuck up.
I'm so fucking sick of fascists in this thread not understanding their own ideology. No the fuck it isn't Materialist, it's Idealist, those are fundamentally different base conceptions of reality. No the fuck there isn't common ground between fascists and socialists, fascists appropriate the labels of things from Marxists to do literally the opposite of what they're based on. You're just a god damn idiot talking out of your ass because your whole ideology is meme bullshit. The only thing you can do to improve the discourse is shut the fuck up.
>>397767
>No the fuck there isn't common ground between fascists and socialists
Unions? Expropriation? Healthcare? Vanguard parties?
>fascists appropriate the labels of things from Marxists
That's because 20th century founders of Fascist parties included former members of socialist parties.
Fascism is a syncretic ideology. It was meant to be presented as a third option between capitalism and socialism. That's why it appropriates elements of both.
>You're just a god damn idiot talking out of your ass because your whole ideology is meme bullshit.
I consider it an evolving ideology. Memes are ideological DNA afterall.
>The only thing you can do to improve the discourse is shut the fuck up.
I have been posting to this site every day for the past 8 years. I'm not about to stop.
>No the fuck there isn't common ground between fascists and socialists
Unions? Expropriation? Healthcare? Vanguard parties?
>fascists appropriate the labels of things from Marxists
That's because 20th century founders of Fascist parties included former members of socialist parties.
Fascism is a syncretic ideology. It was meant to be presented as a third option between capitalism and socialism. That's why it appropriates elements of both.
>You're just a god damn idiot talking out of your ass because your whole ideology is meme bullshit.
I consider it an evolving ideology. Memes are ideological DNA afterall.
>The only thing you can do to improve the discourse is shut the fuck up.
I have been posting to this site every day for the past 8 years. I'm not about to stop.
>>397767
On the topic of common ground, what's your take on Strasserism? Uncle Adolf didn't like them, but I consider their existence to be blip in history that showed that Nationalism and Socialism are not mutually exclusive ideologies.
On the topic of common ground, what's your take on Strasserism? Uncle Adolf didn't like them, but I consider their existence to be blip in history that showed that Nationalism and Socialism are not mutually exclusive ideologies.
>>397764
There's also a little thing called "minimum wage" and a jolly group called "labor unions" that hamper labor movements. Even if a company wants to be by the books, they have to contend with citizens who are legally obligated to basically be nannyed by the company like parent and child.
Look I get it, job's hard, probably dangerous. Turnover's gonna be high, accidents will happen no matter what. But after all that, there is only so much money that can be made and distributed. Me, I take path of least resistance: either bare minimum number of fully compensated citizens, or infinitely cycling meat that will never bitch, never complain, and impossible to fleece cuz they would literally work for evening supermarket food scraps for the metaphorical meatgrinder that is the factory floor or hundred-acre crop. Either way, it's the citizen that's getting fucked, and the illegal doesn't fucking care cuz he's content with being alive at all.
There's also a little thing called "minimum wage" and a jolly group called "labor unions" that hamper labor movements. Even if a company wants to be by the books, they have to contend with citizens who are legally obligated to basically be nannyed by the company like parent and child.
Look I get it, job's hard, probably dangerous. Turnover's gonna be high, accidents will happen no matter what. But after all that, there is only so much money that can be made and distributed. Me, I take path of least resistance: either bare minimum number of fully compensated citizens, or infinitely cycling meat that will never bitch, never complain, and impossible to fleece cuz they would literally work for evening supermarket food scraps for the metaphorical meatgrinder that is the factory floor or hundred-acre crop. Either way, it's the citizen that's getting fucked, and the illegal doesn't fucking care cuz he's content with being alive at all.
>>397771
If more people owned productive assets this becomes less of a problem because then there is less competition for those dangerous jobs and the wages would be more respectable. #DistributismGang
If more people owned productive assets this becomes less of a problem because then there is less competition for those dangerous jobs and the wages would be more respectable. #DistributismGang
I just want to point out that only on mlpol can a Marxist, an ancap, a fascist, and a distributist have a four way debate. You won't find this anywhere else on the internet. Very entertaining and interesting.
Distributist ponies
Dusty Tes?
Dusty Tes?
>>397770
We need more pics of Aleksandra. I've been rewatching some old Jreg vids, which put me in the mood for ironic NazBol shitposting.
We need more pics of Aleksandra. I've been rewatching some old Jreg vids, which put me in the mood for ironic NazBol shitposting.
Anarcho capitalism is the ideology of class cucks. You will never be a real billionaire.
>>400764
Is your solution to let the government take it instead?
For the record, the "billionaire class" is only able to exist because of the government which backs their IP laws and defends other properties that they could not feasibly defend themselves.
Is your solution to let the government take it instead?
For the record, the "billionaire class" is only able to exist because of the government which backs their IP laws and defends other properties that they could not feasibly defend themselves.
>>400786
The state is always going to exist. It is part of the nature of civilization. We might as well use its power against our enemies and start building a better system.
The state is always going to exist. It is part of the nature of civilization. We might as well use its power against our enemies and start building a better system.
>>400788
See, I agree. I was just questioning if Anon was about to pitch socialism as the alternative. The reason why I bring up that the billionaire class is given its power by the state is because that is one of the principle arguments behind fascism: by withholding or leveraging the power that allows corporations to amass wealth and power in the first place, the state can functionally incorporate private sector corporations for the benefit of the public.
See, I agree. I was just questioning if Anon was about to pitch socialism as the alternative. The reason why I bring up that the billionaire class is given its power by the state is because that is one of the principle arguments behind fascism: by withholding or leveraging the power that allows corporations to amass wealth and power in the first place, the state can functionally incorporate private sector corporations for the benefit of the public.
>>400788
the states power comes oppression. oppression of others and of its residents. fuck that dude, im done getting oppressed. ancap is the only form of freedom and thats why we should fight
the states power comes oppression. oppression of others and of its residents. fuck that dude, im done getting oppressed. ancap is the only form of freedom and thats why we should fight
>>403387
hey, aint nothing wrong with anything they said. if thats how they want to live their life, our freedom lets them
hey, aint nothing wrong with anything they said. if thats how they want to live their life, our freedom lets them
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Today, Murray Newton Rothbard would have turned 100.
Rothbard was one of the most prolific intellectuals of the 20th century and paramount not solely to libertarianism but political thought in general.
Rothbard founded anarcho-capitalism and formulated libertarianism proper. He wrote extensively on Austrian economics, being a sharp critic of the central banking system. He mentored several students, some of whom have shaped libertarianism to this day.
Rothbard was not limited to theory, he was also an activist. He campaigned against the Vietnam War, worked with leftists, allied with rightists, and was not afraid to throw his weight behind controversial individuals, like David Duke and Pat Buchanan. He joined several organizations, worked actively inside the Libertarian Party, co-founded the Cato Institute, and supported the Mises Institute in its infancy. Whatever mistakes he may have made, he made them because he was doing a lot.
Rothbard was not afraid to destroy idols. He relentlessly attacked the Cato Institute, the Libertarian Party, Ayn Rand's cult, and even the libertarian movement itself, letting go of sentimental attachments to the circles he once belonged. He was one of the biggest enemies of the warmongering neoconservatives as William F. Buckley Jr.'s National Review.
Rothbard's presence in the Old Right and later the paleo alliance ensured he was not only an influence on libertarians but also rightists. Many non-libertarian right-wingers still pay respects to Rothbard.
And these are mere fragments of the life of The Irrepressible Rothbard, who sadly left us so early and we didn't have the privilege to meet, but whose work in his 68 years is abounding and truly historical.
Happy birthday, Mr. Libertarian!
Hoppe and Kinsella have also assembled a collection of tributes to Rothbard, which can be found here: https://propertyandfreedom.org/books/rothbard-100/
Rothbard was one of the most prolific intellectuals of the 20th century and paramount not solely to libertarianism but political thought in general.
Rothbard founded anarcho-capitalism and formulated libertarianism proper. He wrote extensively on Austrian economics, being a sharp critic of the central banking system. He mentored several students, some of whom have shaped libertarianism to this day.
Rothbard was not limited to theory, he was also an activist. He campaigned against the Vietnam War, worked with leftists, allied with rightists, and was not afraid to throw his weight behind controversial individuals, like David Duke and Pat Buchanan. He joined several organizations, worked actively inside the Libertarian Party, co-founded the Cato Institute, and supported the Mises Institute in its infancy. Whatever mistakes he may have made, he made them because he was doing a lot.
Rothbard was not afraid to destroy idols. He relentlessly attacked the Cato Institute, the Libertarian Party, Ayn Rand's cult, and even the libertarian movement itself, letting go of sentimental attachments to the circles he once belonged. He was one of the biggest enemies of the warmongering neoconservatives as William F. Buckley Jr.'s National Review.
Rothbard's presence in the Old Right and later the paleo alliance ensured he was not only an influence on libertarians but also rightists. Many non-libertarian right-wingers still pay respects to Rothbard.
And these are mere fragments of the life of The Irrepressible Rothbard, who sadly left us so early and we didn't have the privilege to meet, but whose work in his 68 years is abounding and truly historical.
Happy birthday, Mr. Libertarian!
Hoppe and Kinsella have also assembled a collection of tributes to Rothbard, which can be found here: https://propertyandfreedom.org/books/rothbard-100/
>>403695
Happy belated birthday Rothbard!
Rand and her followers were crazy but they were not extremists. I respect Rothbard for being a real ancap. Even he could respect when Rand was right and knew how to get out when she and her band were going off with philosophy.
I do not think right-leaning libertarianism or Rothbardian ancap is the ultimate ideology however. im no bleeding heart but conservative culture is not the way to go. I think ancap works best when everyone can do what they want without the social consequences too, the whole idea of dropping commies out of helecopters or even the more realistic social shaming of their communities is harmful. If they want to form a community around that idc. fly whatever flag you want, if you can afford the airspace.
Happy belated birthday Rothbard!
Rand and her followers were crazy but they were not extremists. I respect Rothbard for being a real ancap. Even he could respect when Rand was right and knew how to get out when she and her band were going off with philosophy.
I do not think right-leaning libertarianism or Rothbardian ancap is the ultimate ideology however. im no bleeding heart but conservative culture is not the way to go. I think ancap works best when everyone can do what they want without the social consequences too, the whole idea of dropping commies out of helecopters or even the more realistic social shaming of their communities is harmful. If they want to form a community around that idc. fly whatever flag you want, if you can afford the airspace.
>>403836
>I know! We could be capitalists. No, fascists! No, we could be commies!! That's how we get our cutie marks
you may all be retards, but youre my retards.
>I know! We could be capitalists. No, fascists! No, we could be commies!! That's how we get our cutie marks
you may all be retards, but youre my retards.
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