how can we even be anarchocapitalists under any sort of government. how is it possible to even try when it’s impossible in the state. why does anyone have hope for this ideology. i really thought i got it when i was like 15 but there’s no point, even libertarians are getting fucked. there’s not enough of us to fuck up the govenment so why try
also why do we all draw her with dollars and not bits, she’s a horse people
also also please post her more here, makeshift ancap pone thread
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>>389748
>why does anyone have hope for this ideology
Because it is a fallacy. It looks cool but it is not practical.
Ancap is suited for (((hustlers))) not for the common man. Also you have the issue of personal safety and having a gun might be not enough, then hiring a militia follows and it is 100% sure will end up in a war like the narco-cartels in Mexico.
>why does anyone have hope for this ideology
Because it is a fallacy. It looks cool but it is not practical.
Ancap is suited for (((hustlers))) not for the common man. Also you have the issue of personal safety and having a gun might be not enough, then hiring a militia follows and it is 100% sure will end up in a war like the narco-cartels in Mexico.
>>389752
why do we even care about extremist ideals if the government is so cucked by the moderates. i used to get off to ayn rand and still love objectivist ideas but why even try. we will never really see any of these in our goverment
why do we even care about extremist ideals if the government is so cucked by the moderates. i used to get off to ayn rand and still love objectivist ideas but why even try. we will never really see any of these in our goverment
>>389812
>the government is so cucked by the moderates
>moderates
This is over the top gaslighting and an inversion of reality.
You live in the 1984 novel, for real.
>the government is so cucked by the moderates
>moderates
This is over the top gaslighting and an inversion of reality.
You live in the 1984 novel, for real.
>>389748
If you reach for the stars, you may not get one, but you won't end up with a handful of shit either.
If you reach for the stars, you may not get one, but you won't end up with a handful of shit either.
>>389836
If there is anything a non-conformist hates more than a conformist, it is a non-conformist who refuses to conform to the prevailing standards of non-conformity.
If there is anything a non-conformist hates more than a conformist, it is a non-conformist who refuses to conform to the prevailing standards of non-conformity.
>>389748
>what's the point of terrorism
You're from tel aviv aren't you
You will never guess if I cheered on Brenton tarrant, you'll never fund out
>what's the point of terrorism
You're from tel aviv aren't you
You will never guess if I cheered on Brenton tarrant, you'll never fund out
>>389751
If you could breed a slave race, you could breed a population suitable for ancap. With the right genetics and technology, ancap could naturally evolve, and be sustained.
I recon ancap will be the ultimate direction human societies travel towards. But I expect (due to dysgenic cycle of civilization) it’ll take many thousands of years.
If you could breed a slave race, you could breed a population suitable for ancap. With the right genetics and technology, ancap could naturally evolve, and be sustained.
I recon ancap will be the ultimate direction human societies travel towards. But I expect (due to dysgenic cycle of civilization) it’ll take many thousands of years.
>>389841
>If you could breed a slave race, you could breed a population suitable for ancap.
It's the opposite, it's the most high-trust, intelligent, hierarchical, individualistic populations that are most suited to create and maintain a legal-social order based in property and personal rights and responsibilities. This is why Anglo-Saxons and their biological and geographical neighbors, such as in France, were so influential in developing the liberal ideals which would form the basis of ancap (see John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, Frederic Bastiat, Gustave de Molinari), and why they enjoyed so much of the success of liberal capitalism. Of course, these same liberal ideals, such as individualism and rule of law, were exploited when groups who didn't share them were let in. The Hoppean/paleolibertarian/national-libertarian trends within ancap are a reaction to this fact, coming to terms with the need to limit individualism and have a degree of tribalism and standards of behavior if you want to keep a society which aligns with libertarian ethics.
>If you could breed a slave race, you could breed a population suitable for ancap.
It's the opposite, it's the most high-trust, intelligent, hierarchical, individualistic populations that are most suited to create and maintain a legal-social order based in property and personal rights and responsibilities. This is why Anglo-Saxons and their biological and geographical neighbors, such as in France, were so influential in developing the liberal ideals which would form the basis of ancap (see John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, Frederic Bastiat, Gustave de Molinari), and why they enjoyed so much of the success of liberal capitalism. Of course, these same liberal ideals, such as individualism and rule of law, were exploited when groups who didn't share them were let in. The Hoppean/paleolibertarian/national-libertarian trends within ancap are a reaction to this fact, coming to terms with the need to limit individualism and have a degree of tribalism and standards of behavior if you want to keep a society which aligns with libertarian ethics.
>>389889
not that Anon, but the anglos and french where the only two global powers to exert individuality towards the inhabitants of their colonial progeny.
And it makes even more sense when you notice the only ones who adopted that way of life were predominantly of western European origin.
America, Canada with Quebec, Australia and New Zealand.
All of the francophone countries in Africa and South Asia are defacto dictatorships with very low societal trust.
not that Anon, but the anglos and french where the only two global powers to exert individuality towards the inhabitants of their colonial progeny.
And it makes even more sense when you notice the only ones who adopted that way of life were predominantly of western European origin.
America, Canada with Quebec, Australia and New Zealand.
All of the francophone countries in Africa and South Asia are defacto dictatorships with very low societal trust.
>>389889
>Of course, these same liberal ideals, such as individualism and rule of law, were exploited when groups who didn't share them were let in.
This would probably be why.
>Of course, these same liberal ideals, such as individualism and rule of law, were exploited when groups who didn't share them were let in.
This would probably be why.
>>390193
Sometimes it is, but sometimes it is just the result of purity spiralling to the point of retardation. Look at communists or flat earthers.
Sometimes it is, but sometimes it is just the result of purity spiralling to the point of retardation. Look at communists or flat earthers.
>>390198
>communists
You can't deny that retarded convictions are still convictions, but I get your point. Having strong beliefs on something doesn't necessarily mean you're right, and I would definitely push a soft-skinned neocon and a temperature-IQ commie off the same helicopter.
>or flat earthers
I'd go out with these dudes for a pint tbh.
>>390218
Extremely based.
>communists
You can't deny that retarded convictions are still convictions, but I get your point. Having strong beliefs on something doesn't necessarily mean you're right, and I would definitely push a soft-skinned neocon and a temperature-IQ commie off the same helicopter.
>or flat earthers
I'd go out with these dudes for a pint tbh.
>>390218
Extremely based.
>>389751
I agree. It will result in war. Hatred, nepotism, cronyism...all the same. The government as it is now and how people suffer under it. Sates my antipathy.
Moreover
>then hiring a militia follows and it is 100% sure will end up in a war like the narco-cartels in Mexico.
Those beaners can die. Makes me wanna kill some random beaner on the street thinking about them. (Cuz 1/3 beaners have some kind of tie to them.
I agree. It will result in war. Hatred, nepotism, cronyism...all the same. The government as it is now and how people suffer under it. Sates my antipathy.
Moreover
>then hiring a militia follows and it is 100% sure will end up in a war like the narco-cartels in Mexico.
Those beaners can die. Makes me wanna kill some random beaner on the street thinking about them. (Cuz 1/3 beaners have some kind of tie to them.
>>390241
>You can't deny that retarded convictions are still convictions
True, but this doesn't touch on the purity spiralling element. Look at how often communities splinter and have sectarian fueds over who is the most ideologically pure. NatSocs also pull this shit and I expect it will only become more common on the rest of the far right as the overton window shifts and more normies turn. You can already see this with some of the schizo retards on the rest of the right. You can literally agree with them on 99% of their policy choices (White only immigration, remove kikes, end feminism, ect) but if you don't believe this or that conspiracy they view you as disloyal. At that point it isn't about convictions it's about proving to other how moral and just you are. Just like the marxists.
>You can't deny that retarded convictions are still convictions
True, but this doesn't touch on the purity spiralling element. Look at how often communities splinter and have sectarian fueds over who is the most ideologically pure. NatSocs also pull this shit and I expect it will only become more common on the rest of the far right as the overton window shifts and more normies turn. You can already see this with some of the schizo retards on the rest of the right. You can literally agree with them on 99% of their policy choices (White only immigration, remove kikes, end feminism, ect) but if you don't believe this or that conspiracy they view you as disloyal. At that point it isn't about convictions it's about proving to other how moral and just you are. Just like the marxists.
>>389859
>France
I don't think the culture in the UK in the 18th Century was as similar to the culture of France at that time than you think.
In the Americas, in the late 18th Century, Englishmen, with the enthusiastic assistance of almost-English Scots and Irish Protestants, created and carried out a successful separatist movement (no. not a revolution. there is a significant difference.) in order to gain independence and sovereignty, to establish a new social order, a government of laws, not a government of men. Right around the same time, in France, Frenchmen waged a war, outwardly similar, with the oft-stated goal of creating a government of laws, not a government of men.
You may have noticed that these two undertakings did not turn out the same. We got the Constitution and about a century and a half of mostly benevolent, mostly libertarian-ish, mostly open and transparent government. The French got a fifteen-year-long bloodbath, which lasted right up until Napoleon appeared on the scene, on horseback, and invented fascism.
If their culture and ours are that similar, I would have thought that a popular uprising in the name of reclaiming sovereignty and rights from a decayed, corrupt aristocracy would have turned out similarly. I have heard it blamed on personalities. We got Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin. They got Robespierre and Saint-Just. But how is it that the War for Independence in the North American colonies got so many brilliant, heroic, courageous, selfless men, the finest minds of their generation, to act as its leaders, but the French got a bunch of cackling homicidal maniacs? And the French aristocrats they guillotined were little better; more than one count and duke in southern France was found to have kept scrupulous records of the bribes he'd accepted from the Barbary Pirates to allow them to raid coastal towns for slaves, and indeed the Kings of France had formal treaties of alliance with the Sultan of Byzantium, to whom the Barbary Pirates owed at least nominal allegiance, for two hundred and fifty years. To say "well, that's just the way the dice rolled" is to beg the question.
I think the French, and by that I mean the indigenous wypipo of what is now France, a people of common birth, language, and culture, are very, very, VERY different from us in many of their attitudes and the way they view the world. I don't think it comes down to something as simpleminded as religion, either. I don't think Catholicism made them uniquely corrupt and wicked. And to say "it's genetic" is glib. I can pose the questions but I have no final answers.
>France
I don't think the culture in the UK in the 18th Century was as similar to the culture of France at that time than you think.
In the Americas, in the late 18th Century, Englishmen, with the enthusiastic assistance of almost-English Scots and Irish Protestants, created and carried out a successful separatist movement (no. not a revolution. there is a significant difference.) in order to gain independence and sovereignty, to establish a new social order, a government of laws, not a government of men. Right around the same time, in France, Frenchmen waged a war, outwardly similar, with the oft-stated goal of creating a government of laws, not a government of men.
You may have noticed that these two undertakings did not turn out the same. We got the Constitution and about a century and a half of mostly benevolent, mostly libertarian-ish, mostly open and transparent government. The French got a fifteen-year-long bloodbath, which lasted right up until Napoleon appeared on the scene, on horseback, and invented fascism.
If their culture and ours are that similar, I would have thought that a popular uprising in the name of reclaiming sovereignty and rights from a decayed, corrupt aristocracy would have turned out similarly. I have heard it blamed on personalities. We got Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin. They got Robespierre and Saint-Just. But how is it that the War for Independence in the North American colonies got so many brilliant, heroic, courageous, selfless men, the finest minds of their generation, to act as its leaders, but the French got a bunch of cackling homicidal maniacs? And the French aristocrats they guillotined were little better; more than one count and duke in southern France was found to have kept scrupulous records of the bribes he'd accepted from the Barbary Pirates to allow them to raid coastal towns for slaves, and indeed the Kings of France had formal treaties of alliance with the Sultan of Byzantium, to whom the Barbary Pirates owed at least nominal allegiance, for two hundred and fifty years. To say "well, that's just the way the dice rolled" is to beg the question.
I think the French, and by that I mean the indigenous wypipo of what is now France, a people of common birth, language, and culture, are very, very, VERY different from us in many of their attitudes and the way they view the world. I don't think it comes down to something as simpleminded as religion, either. I don't think Catholicism made them uniquely corrupt and wicked. And to say "it's genetic" is glib. I can pose the questions but I have no final answers.
All you lolberts have to do is have balls to enact some policy, ANY policy. As far as my normalfag ass is concerned, the best libertarian/ancap guy is Rand Paul, and he's been too busy doing fuck all for most of my pitiful existence. Do not correct me, you know that's the sentiment out there.
>>395680
Well, kinda you may have a point. I suppose that's the reason many moved from Ancap to Natsoc.
Well, kinda you may have a point. I suppose that's the reason many moved from Ancap to Natsoc.
>>389812
>why do we even care about extremist ideals if the government is so cucked by the moderates
Extremism means recognizing that the status quo is completely fucked, and wanting to replace it to change society for the better. It's more about recognition than realism.
>>389826
They're moderates because they are the status quo. The status quo just happens to want to kill you.
>why do we even care about extremist ideals if the government is so cucked by the moderates
Extremism means recognizing that the status quo is completely fucked, and wanting to replace it to change society for the better. It's more about recognition than realism.
>>389826
They're moderates because they are the status quo. The status quo just happens to want to kill you.
>>395680
>All you lolberts have to do is have balls to enact some policy, ANY policy.
see NH if you're interested in lolberts running the government
>All you lolberts have to do is have balls to enact some policy, ANY policy.
see NH if you're interested in lolberts running the government
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>>395680
Lolbertarians are lolbertarians because they make a virtue of their cowardice. They have all these idealistic plans, and plan #1 is "let's not enforce any rules of any kind for anything anywhere. NO GODS NO MASTERS NO BORDERS, THE ONLY COLOR I CARE ABOUT IS GREEN!!!!1111oneoneeleven" We had that a hundred years ago. The path from there to Clown World is not difficult to trace. Like Marxism-Leninism it is a midwit ideology created and propagated by people who have the horrible combination of autism and strongly held opinions about things they don't understand and don't understand that they don't understand, starting with human nature. I like their utopia a lot more than I like the commies' utopia, because it isn't built on nearly as many mass graves. But, ultimately, both their visions for a better world require it to be inhabited by a very, very different species, one that does not exist.
Lolbertarians are lolbertarians because they make a virtue of their cowardice. They have all these idealistic plans, and plan #1 is "let's not enforce any rules of any kind for anything anywhere. NO GODS NO MASTERS NO BORDERS, THE ONLY COLOR I CARE ABOUT IS GREEN!!!!1111oneoneeleven" We had that a hundred years ago. The path from there to Clown World is not difficult to trace. Like Marxism-Leninism it is a midwit ideology created and propagated by people who have the horrible combination of autism and strongly held opinions about things they don't understand and don't understand that they don't understand, starting with human nature. I like their utopia a lot more than I like the commies' utopia, because it isn't built on nearly as many mass graves. But, ultimately, both their visions for a better world require it to be inhabited by a very, very different species, one that does not exist.
>>395685
>"let's not enforce any rules of any kind for anything anywhere.
you enforce "rules" by physically removing the violators (dissociation for "victimless crimes" of degeneracy and justified violence for violation of natural rights)
>NO GODS NO MASTERS
Hierarchy is natural
Use of violence to establish one is evil
>NO BORDERS,
Private property requires borders (e.g. lock on your door)
>THE ONLY COLOR I CARE ABOUT IS GREEN!!!!1111oneoneeleven"
We care about colors of gold and black
>"let's not enforce any rules of any kind for anything anywhere.
you enforce "rules" by physically removing the violators (dissociation for "victimless crimes" of degeneracy and justified violence for violation of natural rights)
>NO GODS NO MASTERS
Hierarchy is natural
Use of violence to establish one is evil
>NO BORDERS,
Private property requires borders (e.g. lock on your door)
>THE ONLY COLOR I CARE ABOUT IS GREEN!!!!1111oneoneeleven"
We care about colors of gold and black
>>395686
In theory libertarianism is great, but, it won't work as it will degenerate into who can pay a stronger militia; in other words, it will degenerate into warlords' rule.
In theory libertarianism is great, but, it won't work as it will degenerate into who can pay a stronger militia; in other words, it will degenerate into warlords' rule.
>>395686
All authority and all hierarchy are based on force. No exceptions.
>>395689
This. It was observed before anyone here was born that without government regulation, the "free market" always peddles human flesh, literally, figuratively, or both. Lolbertarians don't want to think about slave raids, or cannibal banksters buying infants to carve up. "Gotta get muh adenochrome! Gotta get muh stem cell therapy to make muh dick bigger! Doncha like muh CAPITALISMS, boy? Is you some kinda RED?"
All authority and all hierarchy are based on force. No exceptions.
>>395689
This. It was observed before anyone here was born that without government regulation, the "free market" always peddles human flesh, literally, figuratively, or both. Lolbertarians don't want to think about slave raids, or cannibal banksters buying infants to carve up. "Gotta get muh adenochrome! Gotta get muh stem cell therapy to make muh dick bigger! Doncha like muh CAPITALISMS, boy? Is you some kinda RED?"
>>395689
Your statement is true for a society that is degenerate when it enters anarchy.
High-trust society with low time preference values will not fight itself in AnCap, because doing so is counterproductive: any private defense agency that dares to attack others will not only lose its trust and customers (as no sane man would want to buy their protection service), but will also be attacked by other private defense agencies (as other militias would obviously want to gain additional trust by fighting an objectively evil group).
Low-trust society with degenerate high time preference values doesn't care about reputation, so aggression isn't a death sentence for anyone who performs it.
AnCap is possible but not with members of Romani people.
>>395691
>All authority and all hierarchy are based on force
I said "violence", not force
Anyone can participate in volunteer hierarchy by finding a job, obeying its management and receiving rewards for labor they give to the employer. No violence is necessary for this to work
>It was observed before anyone here was born that without government regulation, the "free market" always peddles human flesh, literally, figuratively, or both
[citation needed]
Every time one argues that "free market results in inhuman evil" they always bring up situations where state interference is still prevalent. Institution of slavery, for example, could only exist because the state forced its citizens into involuntary servitude of cooperating with search and return of fugitive slaves.
Your statement is true for a society that is degenerate when it enters anarchy.
High-trust society with low time preference values will not fight itself in AnCap, because doing so is counterproductive: any private defense agency that dares to attack others will not only lose its trust and customers (as no sane man would want to buy their protection service), but will also be attacked by other private defense agencies (as other militias would obviously want to gain additional trust by fighting an objectively evil group).
Low-trust society with degenerate high time preference values doesn't care about reputation, so aggression isn't a death sentence for anyone who performs it.
AnCap is possible but not with members of Romani people.
>>395691
>All authority and all hierarchy are based on force
I said "violence", not force
Anyone can participate in volunteer hierarchy by finding a job, obeying its management and receiving rewards for labor they give to the employer. No violence is necessary for this to work
>It was observed before anyone here was born that without government regulation, the "free market" always peddles human flesh, literally, figuratively, or both
[citation needed]
Every time one argues that "free market results in inhuman evil" they always bring up situations where state interference is still prevalent. Institution of slavery, for example, could only exist because the state forced its citizens into involuntary servitude of cooperating with search and return of fugitive slaves.
>>395698
>High-trust society with low time preference values will not fight itself in AnCap
Ahem, human nature says otherwise. People behave better when kind words are backed with the barrel of a gun.
>High-trust society with low time preference values will not fight itself in AnCap
Ahem, human nature says otherwise. People behave better when kind words are backed with the barrel of a gun.
>>395698
>AnCap is possible but not with members of Romani people.
Let's kill all the Jews and niggers and troons first, and then we can talk about this "high trust society".
>Anyone can participate in volunteer hierarchy by finding a job, obeying its management and receiving rewards for labor they give to the employer. No violence is necessary for this to work
That requires property. Property rights are enforced with violence. This is how it had always been.
>where state interference is still prevalent
This is the libertarian equivalent to "but it wasn't real communism!"
>could only exist because the state forced its citizens into involuntary servitude of cooperating with search and return of fugitive slaves
No. We had slaves since before the fugitive slave act. We've had slavery for at least 12k years since agriculture turned human labor into a scarce commodity.
Anyone with sufficient violence could imprison and enslave you if nobody stops them.
>AnCap is possible but not with members of Romani people.
Let's kill all the Jews and niggers and troons first, and then we can talk about this "high trust society".
>Anyone can participate in volunteer hierarchy by finding a job, obeying its management and receiving rewards for labor they give to the employer. No violence is necessary for this to work
That requires property. Property rights are enforced with violence. This is how it had always been.
>where state interference is still prevalent
This is the libertarian equivalent to "but it wasn't real communism!"
>could only exist because the state forced its citizens into involuntary servitude of cooperating with search and return of fugitive slaves
No. We had slaves since before the fugitive slave act. We've had slavery for at least 12k years since agriculture turned human labor into a scarce commodity.
Anyone with sufficient violence could imprison and enslave you if nobody stops them.
>>395698
>Institution of slavery
An institution as old as humanity that you portrait as oppressive but many dispute that because slaves were take of and were given a purpose in life, to serve their masters through their work.
>involuntary servitude
Well, here is the case of private property as slaves where indeed property and as well women. You see, it is all about if the time line has been contaminated with the "equality" trope.
>Institution of slavery
An institution as old as humanity that you portrait as oppressive but many dispute that because slaves were take of and were given a purpose in life, to serve their masters through their work.
>involuntary servitude
Well, here is the case of private property as slaves where indeed property and as well women. You see, it is all about if the time line has been contaminated with the "equality" trope.
>>395701
>involuntary servitude
Also, slavery is a choice. There is no way to keep alive an individual who will fight for his freedom.
>involuntary servitude
Also, slavery is a choice. There is no way to keep alive an individual who will fight for his freedom.
>>395703
All you have to do is abuse them until they no longer fight back or have hope to escape. It's not hard.
All you have to do is abuse them until they no longer fight back or have hope to escape. It's not hard.
>>395704
>until they no longer fight back or have hope to escape
It is what I said. Stress and a broken soul is not app for freedom. Anyway, millions of Whites were taken slaves by the Muslims in the middle ages, and to put it bluntly, it was their choice.
>until they no longer fight back or have hope to escape
It is what I said. Stress and a broken soul is not app for freedom. Anyway, millions of Whites were taken slaves by the Muslims in the middle ages, and to put it bluntly, it was their choice.
>>395706
Gotta an modern example? I know the muslim rap sheet in Europe and how the Crusades were launched to stop that.
Gotta an modern example? I know the muslim rap sheet in Europe and how the Crusades were launched to stop that.
>>395700
>Let's kill all the Jews and niggers and troons first, and then we can talk about this "high trust society".
Well yeah you do need homogeneous society to achieve high social trust
Genocide is not necessary though, physical removal is fine.
>That requires property. Property rights are enforced with violence. This is how it had always been.
I was wondering if I should've included
>(unless, of course, you believe that property is violence)
and it appears that I've made a mistake by omitting this statement.
You own yourself. You own labor of your body. You own goods produced by your labor.
Things you own require force to protect them, but force becomes violent when and only when it is used for aggression, not when one defends himself and/or his belongings.
Believing otherwise results in you "violently" rejecting working in kolkhoz during another Soviet famine or "violently" controlling "public" kidney that some bum needs to survive.
>>395703
>Also, slavery is a choice
At this point I'm just leaving this meaningless conversation
>Let's kill all the Jews and niggers and troons first, and then we can talk about this "high trust society".
Well yeah you do need homogeneous society to achieve high social trust
Genocide is not necessary though, physical removal is fine.
>That requires property. Property rights are enforced with violence. This is how it had always been.
I was wondering if I should've included
>(unless, of course, you believe that property is violence)
and it appears that I've made a mistake by omitting this statement.
You own yourself. You own labor of your body. You own goods produced by your labor.
Things you own require force to protect them, but force becomes violent when and only when it is used for aggression, not when one defends himself and/or his belongings.
Believing otherwise results in you "violently" rejecting working in kolkhoz during another Soviet famine or "violently" controlling "public" kidney that some bum needs to survive.
>>395703
>Also, slavery is a choice
At this point I'm just leaving this meaningless conversation
>>395710
>At this point I'm just leaving this meaningless conversation
I understand. There is not possible rebuttal to that.
>At this point I'm just leaving this meaningless conversation
I understand. There is not possible rebuttal to that.
Muh slavery.
There is a reason why this mutt historical point is hammered over and over again.
There is a reason why this mutt historical point is hammered over and over again.
>>395709
NTA, but if you're for example from some ghetto and your parents suck, it may not be up to you if they decide to whore their daughter out in the streets for meth
then, looking at some shithole countries like India, marriage is also decided by parents when their kids hit adolescence
yes, you can fight back, you always can. but how can you fight when you were raised in such way that you don't know how to?
NTA, but if you're for example from some ghetto and your parents suck, it may not be up to you if they decide to whore their daughter out in the streets for meth
then, looking at some shithole countries like India, marriage is also decided by parents when their kids hit adolescence
yes, you can fight back, you always can. but how can you fight when you were raised in such way that you don't know how to?
>>395713
Dude, this is White Land. Gotta any significant example on White People? Epstein's mini operation doesn't count as is negligible.
Dude, this is White Land. Gotta any significant example on White People? Epstein's mini operation doesn't count as is negligible.
>>395713
Arranged marriage is extremely, extremely, extremely based. In the West it was the norm until very recently, historically speaking. Foids are mental and emotional children all their lives. In the West we spoiled them by giving them all the autonomy they said they wanted. Now they're bitter fat miserable cat ladies with tiny apartments and grotesque tattoos. Spoiling children results in spoiled children behaving like spoiled children, in other words, and what we have done has consequences on a civilizational scale. The birthrate has completely cratered.
Arranged marriage is extremely, extremely, extremely based. In the West it was the norm until very recently, historically speaking. Foids are mental and emotional children all their lives. In the West we spoiled them by giving them all the autonomy they said they wanted. Now they're bitter fat miserable cat ladies with tiny apartments and grotesque tattoos. Spoiling children results in spoiled children behaving like spoiled children, in other words, and what we have done has consequences on a civilizational scale. The birthrate has completely cratered.
>>395710
>Well yeah you do need homogeneous society to achieve high social trust
Sure, but you do need to remove subversives, savages and parasites.
>Genocide is not necessary though, physical removal is fine.
Perhaps in the short term, but in the long term they become someone else's problem, and eventually your problem again. They've been doing this for 4000 years.
>You own yourself. You own labor of your body. You own goods produced by your labor.
All of those things can be stolen from you by a person who decides that they own you and the violence to enforce that.
>force becomes violent when and only when it is used for aggression, not when one defends himself and/or his belongings
Maybe we just disagree on the definition of "violence". I do not consider violence to be synonymous with aggression, nor do I consider violence to be inherently bad.
>>395711
The rebuttal is that people can be deprived of autonomy and liberty through abuse, brainwashing, grooming, threats, hostage-taking and violence.
>>395712
>mutt historical point
Slavery didn't only happen in America. It has effected every race on every continent, and continues to this day.
>>395713
This.
>>395714
>Epstein's mini operation doesn't count as is negligible.
How does a cabal of powerful people enslaving children for sex negligible?
>Gotta any significant example on White People?
Bro, I live in Florida, one of biggest hubs in the country for victims of human trafficking. There's some 500,000 reported victims of labor trafficking, and 200,000 reported victims of sex trafficking (most of which are children). Of those, at least 27% are reported to be white, which is more than a quarter of them. Slavery affects white people too.
And that's just the state I live in.
>>395722
>Arranged marriage is extremely, extremely, extremely based.
Not when the bride is a nine year old girl who was kidnapped from her home to be the sex pet of a disgusting 47 year old pervert.
>In the West it was the norm until very recently, historically speaking.
So was literally kidnapping them from their families to take them as brides. That doesn't make it good.
>Well yeah you do need homogeneous society to achieve high social trust
Sure, but you do need to remove subversives, savages and parasites.
>Genocide is not necessary though, physical removal is fine.
Perhaps in the short term, but in the long term they become someone else's problem, and eventually your problem again. They've been doing this for 4000 years.
>You own yourself. You own labor of your body. You own goods produced by your labor.
All of those things can be stolen from you by a person who decides that they own you and the violence to enforce that.
>force becomes violent when and only when it is used for aggression, not when one defends himself and/or his belongings
Maybe we just disagree on the definition of "violence". I do not consider violence to be synonymous with aggression, nor do I consider violence to be inherently bad.
>>395711
The rebuttal is that people can be deprived of autonomy and liberty through abuse, brainwashing, grooming, threats, hostage-taking and violence.
>>395712
>mutt historical point
Slavery didn't only happen in America. It has effected every race on every continent, and continues to this day.
>>395713
This.
>>395714
>Epstein's mini operation doesn't count as is negligible.
How does a cabal of powerful people enslaving children for sex negligible?
>Gotta any significant example on White People?
Bro, I live in Florida, one of biggest hubs in the country for victims of human trafficking. There's some 500,000 reported victims of labor trafficking, and 200,000 reported victims of sex trafficking (most of which are children). Of those, at least 27% are reported to be white, which is more than a quarter of them. Slavery affects white people too.
And that's just the state I live in.
>>395722
>Arranged marriage is extremely, extremely, extremely based.
Not when the bride is a nine year old girl who was kidnapped from her home to be the sex pet of a disgusting 47 year old pervert.
>In the West it was the norm until very recently, historically speaking.
So was literally kidnapping them from their families to take them as brides. That doesn't make it good.
>>395701
>An institution as old as humanity that you portrait as oppressive but many dispute that because slaves were take of and were given a purpose in life, to serve their masters through their work.
I disagree with the premise that serving someone else through work is a fulfilling purpose in life, especially when it's involuntary.
>Well, here is the case of private property as slaves where indeed property and as well women. You see, it is all about if the time line has been contaminated with the "equality" trope.
Are you arguing for AnCap, or against it?
You denounced libertarianism in the other post, but you also seem to be pro-slavery. What is your point?
>An institution as old as humanity that you portrait as oppressive but many dispute that because slaves were take of and were given a purpose in life, to serve their masters through their work.
I disagree with the premise that serving someone else through work is a fulfilling purpose in life, especially when it's involuntary.
>Well, here is the case of private property as slaves where indeed property and as well women. You see, it is all about if the time line has been contaminated with the "equality" trope.
Are you arguing for AnCap, or against it?
You denounced libertarianism in the other post, but you also seem to be pro-slavery. What is your point?
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>>395727
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_kidnapping
See the embedded sources.
Answer the other questions, faggot.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_kidnapping
See the embedded sources.
Answer the other questions, faggot.
>>395729
>article lists historical allegations against the Vikings, the truth of which is difficult to verify at a remove of a thousand years or more
>"oh, also Gypsies did it hundreds of years ago! And maybe a remote tribe in Uzbekistan!"
>plus stories, equally poorly attested, of cannibal tribesmen of the Americas, and the H'mong
>and Etruscans during the Bronze Age
>ooh! ooh! someone accused the Mormons of it!
>"however, accurate information is difficult to obtain from these closed communities"
I stopped reading there. It was a really nice red herring, though. I'm still trying to figure out what any of this has to do with arranged marriages, in which no one is kidnapped by Jivaro cannibals in the dark of the night.
>article lists historical allegations against the Vikings, the truth of which is difficult to verify at a remove of a thousand years or more
>"oh, also Gypsies did it hundreds of years ago! And maybe a remote tribe in Uzbekistan!"
>plus stories, equally poorly attested, of cannibal tribesmen of the Americas, and the H'mong
>and Etruscans during the Bronze Age
>ooh! ooh! someone accused the Mormons of it!
>"however, accurate information is difficult to obtain from these closed communities"
I stopped reading there. It was a really nice red herring, though. I'm still trying to figure out what any of this has to do with arranged marriages, in which no one is kidnapped by Jivaro cannibals in the dark of the night.
>>389748
Extreme problems require extreme solutions. That said whatever your position is you shouldn't alienate potential allies with your positions.
Extreme problems require extreme solutions. That said whatever your position is you shouldn't alienate potential allies with your positions.
>>395751
>defends kikes, gypsies, and offshoot judeo-shitstains
>forgets to mention cathocucks, (((puritans))), scientologists
Show your real flag.
>defends kikes, gypsies, and offshoot judeo-shitstains
>forgets to mention cathocucks, (((puritans))), scientologists
Show your real flag.
>>395755
Just put the fries in the bag, bro.
>>395760
Who's defending? I read the article and copied and pasted a few snippets from it, which don't support his claims. And his claims are irrelevant, anyway, because they were an attempt to change the subject. Arranged marriage != bride kidnapping. Bride kidnapping != arranged marriage. They are two different things. They don't have anything to do with one another. This is called the "red herring" approach to debate. It's something midwit Plebbit trash do, and calling them on it whenever they crawl out of their hugbox to try to pull that bullshit in a place like this is a moral obligation. It's also fun.
Just put the fries in the bag, bro.
>>395760
Who's defending? I read the article and copied and pasted a few snippets from it, which don't support his claims. And his claims are irrelevant, anyway, because they were an attempt to change the subject. Arranged marriage != bride kidnapping. Bride kidnapping != arranged marriage. They are two different things. They don't have anything to do with one another. This is called the "red herring" approach to debate. It's something midwit Plebbit trash do, and calling them on it whenever they crawl out of their hugbox to try to pull that bullshit in a place like this is a moral obligation. It's also fun.
>>395921
>Just put the fries in the bag, bro.
What is that supposed to mean?
>Arranged marriage != bride kidnapping. Bride kidnapping != arranged marriage.
Nobody said that.
The point is that both go back a long time in history, countering the point that just because something has been done history makes it inherently good. Appeal to tradition is in itself a logical fallacy.
>This is called the "red herring" approach to debate.
If you think it's a red herring, you clearly didn't understand the argument. It was an example to contradict your logic.
>It's something midwit Plebbit trash do, and calling them on it whenever they crawl out of their hugbox to try to pull that bullshit in a place like this is a moral obligation.
And now you're just resorting to ad hominem.
>>395760
You are not using sage correctly.
>Just put the fries in the bag, bro.
What is that supposed to mean?
>Arranged marriage != bride kidnapping. Bride kidnapping != arranged marriage.
Nobody said that.
The point is that both go back a long time in history, countering the point that just because something has been done history makes it inherently good. Appeal to tradition is in itself a logical fallacy.
>This is called the "red herring" approach to debate.
If you think it's a red herring, you clearly didn't understand the argument. It was an example to contradict your logic.
>It's something midwit Plebbit trash do, and calling them on it whenever they crawl out of their hugbox to try to pull that bullshit in a place like this is a moral obligation.
And now you're just resorting to ad hominem.
>>395760
You are not using sage correctly.
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