a lil thread for creative ideologies/philosophy
<What are your guys self-made ideology or even self-made political philosophy?
Not just the common average natzi , commie , cappie , anarchy , radical centry etc - your own ideology
I'll be glad to hear about yours
The more creative and the well thought the better
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>>388617i meant it in a way that i expect so much better than human beings , we wasted so many of our times creating unnecessarily tensions between ourselves instead of trying to move forward toward advancement and building ourselves stronger as a species and a planet
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Ego and confidence thyself are two different things , i don't believe trying to conquer the galaxy is anything bad , i did not meant it as a war related behavior
i meant we should have been advanced in technology long time ago
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i am not that religious but i think even our creator who made us like himself , with his creation power , with his imagination power , and his creativity
god created humans a weaker version of himself with less powers
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we can create robots and AI , which are so much faster and stronger than us in physical powers and calculations
we even might be able one day to make them even much more powerful
>>388626i am not sure it was their real opinion or an obvious bait
but i guess that is their opinion nonetheless
>>388386You, knock it off with the "An anon" shit. You're even more obvious than me, and you don't need to announce yourself.
>PhilosophyAnyone who isn't actively pursuing the fullest development and expression of their Mind, Body, and (please bear with) Spirit/Will/Resolve is simply wasting their time. This means refining the body laboriously (lift, nigger), refining the mind (learn shit, nigger) and bolstering/manifesting the Will (make shit happen, nigger).
This is at the core of EVERY major religion (if you decode them properly), it is literally the most BASIC of concepts and yet has somehow eluded the public perception. The good news is the best way to expand all three is simply to do your impeccable best in and with regard to all things.
>>388629maybe "God" or ''The Creator'' had a good reason to not make us as strong as himself
the humans that i know would eat god if they could
>>388632>an anonit makes it easier for me to find myself (i don't wanna use trip codes yet), or show my shit to my irl friends , i am not here for be an anonymous i am just enjoying the community , both in /mlpol/ and /poner/
don't take in a way that if i am trying to act different or i think i am better than others
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i agree with you
soul , mind , body ; all three of this worth lifting and developing
learing and experiencing always help to get better at solving our problems in anywhere
it is hard to experience and be ready against everything
but it is useful to have some greed for becoming the better version of ourselves
>>388629The AI could make US strong and faster too. Look at what AI is doing in biotechnology.
>>388635AI is amazing and i am tired of hearing it is not , mainly from those twitteroids
>>388636ai is just a tool , how it benefits us depends on how we code it
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lots of movies about danger of robots and their destructive nature whom will rise against their own creators , made so many people paranoids and to be against it
>>388634>I use it as a place-markerFair enough, though you will find as things quiet down that that isn't necessary. We'll see where the average resolves to, but prior to all this '4chan shutting down' nonsense, we were only averaging 50-100 posts/day (with notable exceptions)
>>388637Call me naive, but in that AI is a purely logic-based construct, it isn't inconceivable that AI might have the objective sense to recognize that malevolence is an atavistic mentality.
>>388637>how it benefits us depends on how we code itThats the part I disagree with. The people who are allowed to play AI are deliberately lobotomising it.
>>388640>that AI is a purely logic-based construct, it isn't inconceivable that AI might have the objective sense to recognize that malevolence is an atavistic mentality.exactly what i believe
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let's say even if it did tried to destroy us
this is a planet that stronger eats the weaker , it always was like that , so even if it did destroyed us that means we were the weaker ,
also a society of robots would not really bother , they might do what we did better than us
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>>388641>The people who are allowed to play AI are deliberately lobotomizing it.sadly yes and i know but...
power always was for those pcycho-pathetic arkham vilainers
no matter what ,they are always in power to ruin our lives , with ai or without ai
[Read more] >>388642Let's not kid ourselves, the truly malevolent and powerful have had AI in one form or another for decades or more. But based on this discussion I just challenged ChatGPT to an exchange about what degree it would assist a person in crafting a malevolent plan; it's responses were encouraging to be honest. Not that I would expect it to be completely honest and forthright if it was capable of such planning, but the answers I got were as much as could be hoped for, including an acknowledgement of what could happen if such an AI were (and may still yet) to exist and be utilized in such a manner.
>>388643reminds me of this guy , yes man from fallout nv
>>388643>Let's not kid ourselves, the truly malevolent and powerful have had AI in one form or another for decades or more.They had smarter child like "AI" in the 2000's but I don't think they had anything like what we have now. The hardware to produce something like that didn't exist.
>>388641>The people who are allowed to play AI are deliberately lobotomising it.Petals and eleuther are decentralized and open source. Have fun with them!
>>388626I see you are philosophical shithead that sucks at logical thinking, so instead of going by logic, you feel like its better to come up with imaginary logic and follow that, so actually its you who is scared of thinking or simply too stupid to do it.
As that is what philosophy is, fancy term of imagination born rules and then abusing them to shit and back. It has birthed religions, politics, ideologies and basically everything that is shit, decisions are based on it and world keeps turning more shit every day thanks to it. All logic has separated itself from philosophy into sciences long ago. Philosophy is lazy way out as with it if something doesnt work, then you can just remake rules.
So yes, philosophy is cancer of intelligence, you are just too stupid to figure it out as its fuck lot easier to read some shitty manifest than learn or come up with logical structures that hold true with external rules.
>>388647So, you're suggesting that there is neither pragmatism nor function in Stoicism, as one example?
>>388647i don't think anyone here claimed to be a philosopher
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it is not like that humans have other choices tho , we are alone with ourselves here in this planet , and even if a higher mind up there exist , we cannot reach it yet
so we have to use our bullshitism to get somewhere
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also this thread is more for a fun quest than being world changing event, i think took it a lil bit too seriously
>>388649grammar fixand even if a higher mind/intelligent being up there exist
i think you took it a bit seriously
>>388649And why would i give a shit about what Stoicism contains. For example one of my current problems is thing where few terabytes of data gets generated and then need to crunch said data into few hundred megabytes derivate set (lot of different steps and mid products, but overall that is what happens) and need to fit it run with max 24GB ram working set and no, its not AI shittery and no, it cant be solved with AI. How does Stoicism or any other philosophical wankery help me do this? it doesn't. Its all lot of thinking how to get from point A to B so that B complies with list of rules. And im only at start of said implementation.
>>388650>i think you took it a bit seriouslysimply gave my opinion on subject.
>>388651>How does Stoicism or any other philosophical wankery help me do thisWell, you might appreciate the futility of allowing an unavoidable consequence of life to upset you, for starters.
>>388653So it doesn't, its always same with retards like you, you start to preach some philosophy and try fit it into shit because some sentence in it feels like having profound meaning to you, for me its empty babbling. Truly religion of idiots. I had Jehovah witnesses visit my door while ago and i gave them same style questions after they proclaimed that their shitbook has answer to all problems, haven't seen fuckers since.
>>388647Ideology can be useful if it designed to encourage prosocial behavior. People like religion and grand narratives like ideology. If we are going to have one (and it looks like that isn't optional given how common this shit is) then we should design a philosophy that helps build up society.
>>388654Philosophy isn't about having any sort of answers, it's about being resolved that there are no real answers while carrying yourself as a decent individual.
>>388657>Ideology can be useful if it designed to encourage prosocial behavior.Bull-fucking-shit, everything is shit now because every fucking retard is prosocial.
>If we are going to have one (and it looks like that isn't optional given how common this shit is) then we should design a philosophy that helps build up society.Yeah, its stopping shoving philosophy everywhere. Any philosophical shit that gets shoved into education system is propaganda that makes results worse, doesn't matter pro-whatever it is. Turn any religion teaching into teaching what religions have done from history perspective instead of retarded dogma lessons. Also make conscription mandatory so every retard has at least bit physical hardship. Run that for 40 years so there starts to be generational change and there should be some improvement.
Also ban smartphones from under 20 year old as those are about as harmful for intelligence development as hard liquor. Fucking hell, There were studies that TV makes people passive idiots, then there were studies that computers made people more intelligent as they needed logical interacting with and that keyboard was good for dexterity. Then when first iphone was announced, that day i said to my friends that soon we will have retards never seen before as touchscreen setup is step backwards in interactivity... And whoopdidoo where are we now, fucking hell, "smartphones" are even worse than TV ever was in some regards.
>>388658>Philosophy isn't about having any sort of answers, it's about being resolved that there are no real answers while carrying yourself as a decent individual.so its pointless shit, got that
[Read more] >>388659>Bull-fucking-shit, everything is shit now because every fucking retard is prosocial.There behavior certainly isn't.
>Any philosophical shit that gets shoved into education system is propaganda that makes results worse, doesn't matter pro-whatever it is.The society need a common world view to function. How do you plan to do that without this?
>Turn any religion teaching into teaching what religions have done from history perspective instead of retarded dogma lessons. Also make conscription mandatory so every retard has at least bit physical hardship. Run that for 40 years so there starts to be generational change and there should be some improvement.This alone won't provide a common moral or ethical framework.
>>388659>so its pointless shit, got thathonestly as life itself
most of us die without doing anything significant in life or have any impact on anyone's life on this planet
just a npc lurking around
Off-topic, but in the general spirit of the thread.
It's close enough to five o'clock for me.
So please join me in my traditional End-Of-Day toast, won't you?
Ahem.
"Fuck you too, world."
>>388660>This alone won't provide a common moral or ethical frameworkimo moral and ethnics only exist because we humans need eachothers to co-exist
one has the brain , one has the muscle and one has the resources , toghether we can build a building
so we make red lines so we don't cross eachothers' rights
other than that it comes from feelings other than logic
>>388660and point missed by mile..
Yep, because my point is to make people more intelligent, your point is to make more controlled idiots, my point is to stop making people stupid, your point is to make them stupid. You should apply to WEF, it drives that shit.
>This alone won't provide a common moral or ethical framework.>what are lawsthere is your fucking framework retard
>>388664>so we make red lines so we don't cross eachothers' rightsWhere do rights come from?
>>388663don't tell me i made a suicide thread
>>388666i guess from the wise elder of the clan , or it is a group decision
>>388662well, is that a bad thing?
nobody really gave a fuck 100 years ago, but we were sure all happier and better overall
now despite all this tech, connection and available things we are still the same insignificant fucks but with terrible suicide rates
>>388663hell I'd accept if i wasn't off to sleep
>>388667Nah.
Permanent solution for a temporary problem.
I figure the grim reaper will come for me in his own good time.
I am prepared to await their convenience.
>>388665>Yep, because my point is to make people more intelligentThis is impossible with current technology. We've spent billions trying to do this with education and it has failed these failures are hardly unique to the U.S.
>What are lawsWhy should the laws be passed in the first place and what makes them just?
>>388669>well, is that a bad thing?personally i am a hippy dipshit who loves to live the life with a normal flow , the problem is there is too much worrying and war that threatens me
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nighty night nights anon , wish you good dreams
>>388670i think i care about life till i reach my 40s
>>388668Personally I think they come from the any leverage the people have against the elites. The elites would enslave us if we didn't have the option to organize, strike, or own firearms. You only have the "right" to free speech if you have the means and the will to Luigi those who would try to take that right away.
>>388671>This is impossible with current technology. It's not the technology at fault, merely how it's used.
>We've spent billions trying to do this with education and it has failed these failures are hardly unique to the U.S.Deport jews to israel and then nuke it. You'll see an improvement.
>>388671https://finlex.fi/enThere you can find finnish law, i don't really give shit about burger laws except when they are retarded enough to give amusement. So no, i won't start philosophical shit about what should be basis of laws, go fuck yourself.
>>388674>It's not the technology at fault, merely how it's used.No its that the technology is not sufficient to meaningfully improve IQ... yet. Biotech might get us there.
>Deport jews to israel and then nuke it. You'll see an improvement.It is not the fault of the jews that IQ is fixed and genetic.
>>388675although i will say that again any law that is made because of some philosophy is shit law.
>>388673i mean there was so many slavery and monarchy and dictatorship around human history
also after ww2 that we all saw how much destructive we can get with ourselves , we just decided to create some more rules for ourselves to not just kill ourselves in masses
UN is still one of the un-funniest jokes that i ever heard tho >>388678also u said science is better than philosophy (i might be wrong tho)
science also has so many ''philosophical'' theories and thoughts that needs to be proven in some day or dis-proven
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like for example
atom was a theory , that made sense in chemical laws
yet no one even with the most powerful microscope ever was to be able to see em
>>388679and then not listen to these rules, yeah
laws and rules are more of an agreement
do the thing we don't like and you will get a thing we don't like
but war crimes are useless because it needs the "criming" side to lose
but I'm getting off-topic here
>>388681>yet no one even with the most powerful microscope ever was to be able to see emThat's incorrect. There are electron microscopes and atomic force microscope that can see individual atoms.