a lil thread for creative ideologies/philosophy
<What are your guys self-made ideology or even self-made political philosophy?
Not just the common average natzi , commie , cappie , anarchy , radical centry etc - your own ideology
I'll be glad to hear about yours
The more creative and the well thought the better
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thanks!
There's no rush and try to discover peace in the balancing process and don't obsess over avoiding bad choices because it's usually the bad choices that turn out to be the best teachers. There are no mistakes.
[YouTube] Why Free Will Doesn’t Exist
[Embed]This is one of the most concise summaries of how 'freewill' is a logically fallacious concept. For bonus points, Ben Shapiro is on the receiving end of this beating.
Free will exists. The chemicals in your brain making sure your heart keeps beating does not mean free will doesn't exist. You not being able to jump 50 feet in the air or have sex with Luna does not mean reality is predtermined. You using a semantically flawed definition of "free will" doesn't mean we're forced to exist under the oppressive boot of a demiurgic puppetmaster.
>>389001I'm not advocating for the position in the video, I'm amused because it's logically sound AND it shut Ben Shapiro up for a second.
Having said, you start from a position
>Free will existsbut then go into rhetorical examples of how certain phenomena don't discount the existence of free will, while avoiding the salient argument.
I'm quite on the fence about it, because the absence of free will nullifies the concept of Will, which is central to metaphysics.
>>389006Oh NO, my post didn't live up to your expectations, let me find a fainting couch rarity for you
>>389010>AND it shut Ben Shapiro up for a second.An ape in a zoo will stop howling if it sees the elephant try to shove a fence post up its ass. It doesn't mean the elephant made any particularly good points.
Freewill does not exist nor is there any deterministic plan set in stone. Our world is probabilistic. The universe is God's casino.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indeterminism>>389020You're welcome to refute with something objective and not spurious
>>389021weird that i had a Swedish friend who also said what you said here
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being born is not a free-will
you don't choose whom , when , where , which family do you want to being born in
you cannot choose your nationality , gender , race etc , and pretty much it is a RND thing
but
after you are being born , after you are a legal adult , you can pretty much decide what you want to do as a person who lives in a society
yes there are limitations and rules and laws made by humanity to enforce order in a location
being a respectful individual who participates in as a member of society is not called not having free-will
it is called participation cause others do have that right
anarchistic type of freedom brings chaos and disorder
so that is why most people are against it
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this is my opinion tho , i could be wrong and i'll be glad if i can be proven wrong
Damn i was watching a video about Nietzsche's biography and his sad life
holy shit my man went through too much shit
i wish i could go back in time and give him a hug
Links:[YouTube] The Philosopher Everyone Hates...
[Embed]alternative:https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=FFxf_IsYm4Y>>389089Make sure to bring a couple dozen bottles of extra strength headache medicine too
>>389090and dying at your 40s , spending last of it with your asshole sister that you despise
>>389090oops...sorry anon
my attention spam is so low and i did not read it well
yeah i should bring a brain surgerist as well to cure the poor man's tumor
and a gun to shoot the sister
>>388653>>388658stoicism is a disempowering slave philosophy for cucked faggots
>>389089pic related
>>388539>buy 3d printer>print more 3d printers>sell them for cheapumad, 3d printer companies?
>>389167i was in the park with my friends and we saw that pringle comparison and we laughed so hard
thanks anon
>>389168I'll admit the transistors and 9N silicon required for computer components would be difficult to manufacture at smaller scale, but even if it can't be done co-ops are an option.
>>389167>trollingStoicism is not for the weak. You need a strong character to practice it.
What are your guys thought on Zarathustra(Zartosht)?
and his book Avesta if you ever read it
https://www.avesta.org/>>389434Quote from that Nietzche's book: "God is dead".
>>389435and he remains dead , cause we killed him
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the thing about zarathustra is that
i think he made up those two Gods (mazda and ahriman) to create a moral compass for what is bad and what is good
i think that is why Nietzsche liked him as a prophet
a form of moral laws and rules that comes from a human being - even tho yeah he considered himself a prophet sent by a god
but he mainly updated the beliefs of mithraism/mehrism an old aryan religion
Mithra is even an angel in his book
goddess of
sun , wisdom and
friendship >>389438>old aryan religionTo put it simple for everypony to understand, it is the Laws of Nature. And to project it to a modern example (with caveats for course), the NSDAP's policy about "the German blood".
>>389434I like some of the ideas that it preaches like seaking truth and knowledge, but I don't think I can bring myself to actually believe any of it.
>>389443Aryan means being a noble man
a formal person who is confident and wise
someone who is also smarter and kinder than most people around him
others are; Charismatic ,serious , physically agile , brutally honest etc
>>389475''the best ideology is to seek the truth''
you don't need to fully believe it
just take what you like from it and let go off things that you don't like about it
the advises from the book are actually really good at times
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see it this way that helping others, boosts your own ego and make you think that you are a better person, not becoming completely arrogant but just the way that it help you to feel better about yourself
but at the same time be brutal against your enemy , whom that can be jealous of your success or having a hatred toward you.
| Nietzsche's 10 fundamental principles of life |
1. Embrace the will to power: Nietzsche believed that the will to power, or the desire for self-realization and self-overcoming, is the driving force of human behavior. Embrace this will and use it to achieve your goals.
2. Reject traditional values and morality: Nietzsche argued that traditional values and morality were imposed on individuals by society and religion and restricted their potential. Reject these constraints and create your own values and moral code.
3. Pursue personal excellence: Nietzsche believed in the importance of personal excellence and striving for greatness. Cultivate your talents and skills to achieve your full potential.
4. Embrace change and evolution: Nietzsche saw life as a process of continual change and evolution. Embrace this process and be willing to adapt and grow.
5. Challenge convention and authority: Nietzsche believed that convention and authority stifled individual creativity and potential. Challenge these forces and assert your own ideas and beliefs.
6. Embrace the present moment: Nietzsche believed in the importance of living in the present moment and embracing the joys and challenges of life.
7. Value creativity and art: Nietzsche believed that creativity and art were essential to human life and expression. Embrace these forms of expression and appreciate their beauty and power.
8. Embrace individualism: Nietzsche believed in the importance of individualism and rejected collectivism and conformity.
9. Pursue personal happiness: Nietzsche believed that personal happiness and joy were essential to a fulfilling life. Pursue your own happiness and find joy in the present moment.
10. Embrace the human condition: Nietzsche believed that the human condition was inherently flawed but also beautiful and powerful. Embrace the full range of human experiences, including pain and suffering, and use them as opportunities for growth and self-realization.
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Question is:
How much you guys agree or disagree with his principles?
>>390107I disagree with him to an extent on 2 because traditions didn't evolve in a vacuum and they can be used as a basis for forming your values, but you do not need to adhere to them 100%, 8 because forming or joining a collective can be used as a means to gain power. Lone wolves starve after all. And I disagree with 10 because we have the technology to improve the human condition.
>>390108I agree with you
traditions like respecting your parents and taking care of the elderly is good
there are some old moral values that are always useful and good for the health of human being
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but there are some stupid mumbo jumbos here and there
from the time that elder leader of a clan tried to push their power on others
but that does no mean all of them are oppressive
>>390108>Lone wolves starve after allyes , and this whole sigma / alpha male movements caused nothing but accelerate male loneliness
humans are co-operative creatures and they need each others
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>we have the technology to improve the human conditionhe meant gaining experience by suffering and hard life
getting over struggle in life
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personally i love his preaching
like becoming the best version of yourself , recognizing your true talents and working on it to reach perfection
>>390112>he meant gaining experience by suffering and hard lifeI know what he meant and I believe can and should use technology to reduce (not eliminating) suffering while also using it accelerate the rate at which we gain experience. I view transhumanism as a viable path towards engineering the ubermench.
>>390141Humans always are easy going and they want to make their life as easy as possible
which is a good thing and i think we should do that
we created light bulbs so never have to use candles
we created cars so we don't use horses
we used horses so we would not need to walk
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that is the right path imo
do you guys wanna talk about male loneliness epidemic?
and how we can solve it?
>>390295you gotta stop being an useless fucking incel and get some friends, simple as
>>390296i mean it is true but it is not just having male friends...
you need female friends or even female love intrest
bro-mancing does not fulfill your opposite sex desires
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but also distrust is a thing that makes you to not try to get some friend , while there are so many selfish wolves out there
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internet also made socializing harder due to people not seeing each others much as often
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also working full time due to economical problems that we all are facing
your partners in your job area are not a good replacement for friendship , they can become your friend but not really
i do have some good people in the place that work but we are mostly busy and after work we just wanna go home
>>390299i understand your point, workplace being busy and such
but if you have at very least some time, there are always conventions, seminars centered around your interests or entertainments. i met a couple like-minded people at these random events
(even met a cool headhunter once, told me cool things about interviews)
then regarding the girls, i met both of my past girlfriends through another friends
>>390301>attending to seminars centered around your interests or entertainments.that actually is a really good suggestion
i would love to attend to a bronycon or a philosophical seminar
i will give it a chance
thanks anon that is a very good idea
>>390302glad to hear that
when you stop caring about finding anypony, you will find the most friends so it's better to just go there for any fun
at least in my experience
>>390304thanks again
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What are you guys' opinion on Agnostics?
>>390459i think you are Gnostic , or Pegan idk
elaborate if you want
>>390447Agnostic is basically just an atheist who prefers to keep an open mind.
>>390470or a guy like me who is not sure about anything like ever
i don't have evidence that if a god exist or nah
i don't have proof that he does not exist nether
so
i am like yeah there might be a god
and i am not sure so i just live my life as is
i try not to be a bad person and i try to enjoy both this life and probably the other life , if god sees me that i am a good person , he might forgive me for not praying for him
and we all know that , abrahimic god is forgiving and kind , or atleast it is what they claim
>mfw people are agnostic about what agnostic means
>>390469>>390473>>390476>mfw people are not sure what is ''not being sure'' meansthat is funny no gonna lie
also i was mentioning ''Gnostic'' too with no ''A'' at the beginning
>>390295Building fraternal societies that serve to share skill, split rents, network, and build up the members of the fraternity. A fraternal order would be a lot easier to organize than a political movement and would have immediate benefits for members too.
>>390559i believe that too but political movement usually brings more people together
-edgy kids who wanna follow a random leader-
-people who think the govs are retarded and all the parties won't represent them-
etc
the thing that you are saying is good but without a leader or leaders , advertising , speeches , any movement is kinda reaches a dead end
>>390578You could build a political movement from the societies started by the fraternity. Start small and all.
>>390586i tried but look at my flag , i would be executed 100%
i got already jailed twice in both big recent protests
what do you guys think about Anthro-phobic people?
don't mistake it with anti-socials