a lil thread for creative ideologies/philosophy
<What are your guys self-made ideology or even self-made political philosophy?
Not just the common average natzi , commie , cappie , anarchy , radical centry etc - your own ideology
I'll be glad to hear about yours
The more creative and the well thought the better
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>>388675although i will say that again any law that is made because of some philosophy is shit law.
>>388673i mean there was so many slavery and monarchy and dictatorship around human history
also after ww2 that we all saw how much destructive we can get with ourselves , we just decided to create some more rules for ourselves to not just kill ourselves in masses
UN is still one of the un-funniest jokes that i ever heard tho >>388678also u said science is better than philosophy (i might be wrong tho)
science also has so many ''philosophical'' theories and thoughts that needs to be proven in some day or dis-proven
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like for example
atom was a theory , that made sense in chemical laws
yet no one even with the most powerful microscope ever was to be able to see em
>>388679and then not listen to these rules, yeah
laws and rules are more of an agreement
do the thing we don't like and you will get a thing we don't like
but war crimes are useless because it needs the "criming" side to lose
but I'm getting off-topic here
>>388681>yet no one even with the most powerful microscope ever was to be able to see emThat's incorrect. There are electron microscopes and atomic force microscope that can see individual atoms.
>>388682>I'm getting off-topic herei don't think you are
crime is always a human interest when something is illegal or prohibited , human mind gets more attracted toward it
>>388683i think i saw something related to it
when they are observing the atoms
they see some lights shooting around like asteroid
(i guess i was wrong then)
but i don't think it is possible to see protons , neutron and electrons ...yet cause they are inside an atom or around them , spinning so fast that make the atom look like a self-centered cloud
>>388680>do stupid detrimental shit>get punished>durrrrr... its all philosophicalThese always have some quantitative loss which has fuck all to do with philosophy, only part that is philosophical is that what punishment should be.
meanwhile actually philosophical shitlaws
>someone may do maybe detrimental shit >punish them pre-emptivelyThese always can be compressed to point where its just some retard saying "Because i think it is like this" or "Because i believe this and that because of this and that, we should..."
So again, fuck philosophy.
only somewhat philosophical laws im up for are
freedom of speech: As in retard may say what fucking ever he wants, but if its about causing detrimental shit and said detrimental shit happens, then retard will be held accountable.
freedom of belief/thought: Safeguard law against retards trying to do mind policing, meaning retards can believe whatever, but doesn't in any manner mean any kind of freedom of action based on belief.
but fuck freedom of religion, there should never be any kind of philosophical joker law that acknowledges some bullshit group.
>>388672anon didn't go night night award
i know a local saying "morning wiser than evening", just pointing out that we solve problems easier after sleep
let's see what will you say tomorrow
>>388686i am not in america and i have a shitty sleeping schedule
but feel free bro , see you tommorow
>>388685Define "detrimental shit" I expect you will say murder but groups throughout history have allowed murder such as the Romans allowing nobles to kill their servants for any reason at all.
>>388689if you want roman society, then go with roman laws
>>388690I don't not. I want something better than what we have now and I want to convince others to get on board. To do that I need to justify my position and why I believe what I believe.
Question - Why do humans wear clothes?
>>388692go outside in winter or walk on rocks without clothes to see what happens to your body
also it became a norm after a while
also FASHION and Style Darling
>>388693>surface level answerNo wonder you need people to tell you what to think.
>>388694eh i am just not a naturist or nudist
>>388695All animals are naturally adapted to their environments, humans aren't. Why?
>>388689detrimental shit as in destructive action where action target isn't owned by perpetrator.
And then that gets accompanied by other laws plugging holes and edge cases, like animal cruelty laws for cases where perpetrator owns animal.
>>388696i don't wanna be like /x/ but i believe we don't belong here
or maybe we are biologically and intentionally changed
<becomes /x/ anyway >>388697Pretty vague. How would you categorize socially harmful shit like usury or troon shit?
i need get off too now it is late,
i am thankful to all of you for your great thoughts and sharing , i really love this type of conversations
respect
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you can mention me and i will answer when i got back
>>388700>Pretty vague. How would you categorize socially harmful shit like usury or troon shit?sadly can't. but part that i already said solves it, meaning throw philosophy into dumpster from education system on all levels, this means no gender studies or any similar shit exists anymore. That basically destroys academic backing of any such bullshit. People are still free to do shit on their own, but without systemic backing it will turn back into fringe culture.
>>388705If it can be demonstrated that troon drives underaged into self harm or sexual acts, then thats fully in territory of child protection laws.
But basically if adult goes and chops his dick off due reading troonshit online, that is pretty much shrug.
>>388707Sounds pretty libertarian.
>>388707I don't care what its labeled as long i can logically tell how i reach conclusion. So its never part of my thought process that i must do something because some ideology says shit must be done that way.
>>388709But your thought process is entirely libertarian even if you do not call it as such. There are plenty of critiques of your positions even if you do not want to identify with the label of libertarian because ideology is le bad. I don't understand why you would be upset about people discussing the underlying thought processes that lead to their positions...
People will put labels toward you, and you will label them, that's how life works. You don't necessarily have to follow their label or even your own, just focus on what communicates better.
>>388711Basically, people think that if they can label something, or someone, then they understand it. People are rarely so easy to categorize.
>my little identity politics
the common though that all things need some kind of classification is connected to autism, not that it matters that much though
these identity crises, where people can't even classify themselves, are common leads to gender dysphoria apparently as well
>>388627>welcomehey fren. I don't have the time to read and post about this right now, but I'll try to make some time later.
I just wanna pop-by to remind people that arguments are not about wining but about learning, that is the whole point of logical fallacies and critical thinking.
It's ok if two anons can't reach an agreement as long as you both understand why the other holds the viewpoint they hold.
You are not keyboard warriors, anon, if you reached this place, you are above that. Arguing from feelings is not useful, go to the gym for that and argue with your muscles.
>>388726i believe everyone has some percentage of autism
but the amount of autism is low in most people that it does not clearly show it
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related to your text
it is so goddamn rare to find a lgtv fag who does not have daddy issue or symptoms related to autism
>>388731hey , you do you bro , wish you luck in your journey
>>388628>i expect so much better than human beingsI agree with all your points, but I share this view with you. I can only hope some guidance is all that future generations need in order to realize that things can be much better, I made it my mission to try and improve myself so I can spread this idea.
There is really no one but man to blame for man's problems.
>>388735>There is really no one but man to blame for man's problemsFACTS anon
also it is a great motive to trying to improve yourself
and i agree with you on going to gym and lift heavy object for the muscles
it is cool that people here in /mlpol/ give good advices
>>388732i know two fags, both of them have some level of autism, but only one is problematic
then i used to know one troon guy, who was really chill and interesting
then what i see on the internet, lgbtfags seem way worse than irl so i cant tell
>>388738i had a troon friend as well , keep telling me he should act more like women and he should not swear
and i told him what kinda stereotype are you going for rn?
i know many women in my alley that are bunch of thugs and thots who would swear and beat the shit out of you
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troons have so much inner conflicts with themselves
it is mostly due to having an insecure mindset who cares too much about what society thinks about you
>>388739also not to mention that i meet kids in age of between 14-16 that think they are troons , and i always tell em that you guys are just in the molting age era and your mind is just a spaghetti and you guys might grow up and realize you were not really a troon and it was just a weird mood
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also mostly due to western society weirdly advertising lgtv to kids and telling them those people are better and kinda brainwashing them that being a troon or any type of fag would make them more interesting and more valuable as a human being
I blame governments and their policies
>>388709Skimming through your posts, it seems you are both really passionate about hating philosophy, and also mix philosophy and ideologies.
If you want to hate philosophy more effectively, why don't you study the origins of philosophy?
You can start with the socratic method if you want, I think it's a cool place to start:
https://www.socraticmethod.net/ >>388741mind , body and soul
also you guys can read the ''Sofies verden''
it is a great book and simple explanation of history of philosophy
link:https://archive.org/details/sfdsj/ Update:
talk about any philosophy you want , new or old
no need for it to be just ''your own self-made''
>>388868I take shit from everwhere. If there is a clear resonance within me, I copy paste it into my own mosaic. I've got jewish mysticism, sufi shit, some jesus shit, some extradimentional channeling shit because it was revealed in a dream, some western philosophy, some chanology, even a tiny bit of hitlerism even if only ironic... I mean yeah... Pretty much the OP's picrel
>>388872same , idk why but i love every religions and every philosophies in any shape or form
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Jewish mysticism mainly was under influence of Egyptians from the time that they were enslaved by em
sufists are cool because they so many branches with so many different Povs
Jesus's teachings are cool and it is good to have a calmer and an humble way of living
7 deadly sins and seven heavenly virtues are very useful
>>388879I forgot about the eastern stuff, the vedas, the dao etc... A lot of interesting stuff in yoga. I see all of these traditions as little fragments of a mirror to know the self.
>>388880it is a fair game imo
i guess it is useful as far as it can help someone to self-improve themselves
i tried meditation and yoga alot , it helped but i realized i am not in a calm mood when there is so much shit going on around the world
I find it helps to balance the bad by focusing on the good and amplifying that. Some would suggest to ignore the bad, but I don't think that's good advice. The bad is also a mirror and if you don't look, you miss half your reflection and thus you can never know yourself.
But take it all in doses and balance it. Silence comes naturally as you get better at balancing.
Always try to keep in the back of your mind when you see the bad stuff: that too is the creator and if it is there, it is there for good reason. And as long as it triggers you, it has something to teach you.
>>388897>[anon said some based facts]thanks anon , your sentences really did helped me rn
i always wanted to know myself better but i never realized that i am unpredictable as well and it is not possible to fully understand myself
balancing your yin and yang is a hard thing to do but it is a challenge that should be done to maintain your life choices in a better way of decision making
thanks!
There's no rush and try to discover peace in the balancing process and don't obsess over avoiding bad choices because it's usually the bad choices that turn out to be the best teachers. There are no mistakes.
[YouTube] Why Free Will Doesn’t Exist
[Embed]This is one of the most concise summaries of how 'freewill' is a logically fallacious concept. For bonus points, Ben Shapiro is on the receiving end of this beating.
Free will exists. The chemicals in your brain making sure your heart keeps beating does not mean free will doesn't exist. You not being able to jump 50 feet in the air or have sex with Luna does not mean reality is predtermined. You using a semantically flawed definition of "free will" doesn't mean we're forced to exist under the oppressive boot of a demiurgic puppetmaster.
>>389001I'm not advocating for the position in the video, I'm amused because it's logically sound AND it shut Ben Shapiro up for a second.
Having said, you start from a position
>Free will existsbut then go into rhetorical examples of how certain phenomena don't discount the existence of free will, while avoiding the salient argument.
I'm quite on the fence about it, because the absence of free will nullifies the concept of Will, which is central to metaphysics.
>>389006Oh NO, my post didn't live up to your expectations, let me find a fainting couch rarity for you
>>389010>AND it shut Ben Shapiro up for a second.An ape in a zoo will stop howling if it sees the elephant try to shove a fence post up its ass. It doesn't mean the elephant made any particularly good points.
Freewill does not exist nor is there any deterministic plan set in stone. Our world is probabilistic. The universe is God's casino.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indeterminism>>389020You're welcome to refute with something objective and not spurious
>>389021weird that i had a Swedish friend who also said what you said here
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being born is not a free-will
you don't choose whom , when , where , which family do you want to being born in
you cannot choose your nationality , gender , race etc , and pretty much it is a RND thing
but
after you are being born , after you are a legal adult , you can pretty much decide what you want to do as a person who lives in a society
yes there are limitations and rules and laws made by humanity to enforce order in a location
being a respectful individual who participates in as a member of society is not called not having free-will
it is called participation cause others do have that right
anarchistic type of freedom brings chaos and disorder
so that is why most people are against it
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this is my opinion tho , i could be wrong and i'll be glad if i can be proven wrong
Damn i was watching a video about Nietzsche's biography and his sad life
holy shit my man went through too much shit
i wish i could go back in time and give him a hug
Links:[YouTube] The Philosopher Everyone Hates...
[Embed]alternative:https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=FFxf_IsYm4Y>>389089Make sure to bring a couple dozen bottles of extra strength headache medicine too
>>389090and dying at your 40s , spending last of it with your asshole sister that you despise
>>389090oops...sorry anon
my attention spam is so low and i did not read it well
yeah i should bring a brain surgerist as well to cure the poor man's tumor
and a gun to shoot the sister
>>388653>>388658stoicism is a disempowering slave philosophy for cucked faggots
>>389089pic related
>>388539>buy 3d printer>print more 3d printers>sell them for cheapumad, 3d printer companies?
>>389167i was in the park with my friends and we saw that pringle comparison and we laughed so hard
thanks anon
>>389168I'll admit the transistors and 9N silicon required for computer components would be difficult to manufacture at smaller scale, but even if it can't be done co-ops are an option.
>>389167>trollingStoicism is not for the weak. You need a strong character to practice it.
What are your guys thought on Zarathustra(Zartosht)?
and his book Avesta if you ever read it
https://www.avesta.org/>>389434Quote from that Nietzche's book: "God is dead".
>>389435and he remains dead , cause we killed him
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the thing about zarathustra is that
i think he made up those two Gods (mazda and ahriman) to create a moral compass for what is bad and what is good
i think that is why Nietzsche liked him as a prophet
a form of moral laws and rules that comes from a human being - even tho yeah he considered himself a prophet sent by a god
but he mainly updated the beliefs of mithraism/mehrism an old aryan religion
Mithra is even an angel in his book
goddess of
sun , wisdom and
friendship >>389438>old aryan religionTo put it simple for everypony to understand, it is the Laws of Nature. And to project it to a modern example (with caveats for course), the NSDAP's policy about "the German blood".
>>389434I like some of the ideas that it preaches like seaking truth and knowledge, but I don't think I can bring myself to actually believe any of it.
>>389443Aryan means being a noble man
a formal person who is confident and wise
someone who is also smarter and kinder than most people around him
others are; Charismatic ,serious , physically agile , brutally honest etc
>>389475''the best ideology is to seek the truth''
you don't need to fully believe it
just take what you like from it and let go off things that you don't like about it
the advises from the book are actually really good at times
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see it this way that helping others, boosts your own ego and make you think that you are a better person, not becoming completely arrogant but just the way that it help you to feel better about yourself
but at the same time be brutal against your enemy , whom that can be jealous of your success or having a hatred toward you.
| Nietzsche's 10 fundamental principles of life |
1. Embrace the will to power: Nietzsche believed that the will to power, or the desire for self-realization and self-overcoming, is the driving force of human behavior. Embrace this will and use it to achieve your goals.
2. Reject traditional values and morality: Nietzsche argued that traditional values and morality were imposed on individuals by society and religion and restricted their potential. Reject these constraints and create your own values and moral code.
3. Pursue personal excellence: Nietzsche believed in the importance of personal excellence and striving for greatness. Cultivate your talents and skills to achieve your full potential.
4. Embrace change and evolution: Nietzsche saw life as a process of continual change and evolution. Embrace this process and be willing to adapt and grow.
5. Challenge convention and authority: Nietzsche believed that convention and authority stifled individual creativity and potential. Challenge these forces and assert your own ideas and beliefs.
6. Embrace the present moment: Nietzsche believed in the importance of living in the present moment and embracing the joys and challenges of life.
7. Value creativity and art: Nietzsche believed that creativity and art were essential to human life and expression. Embrace these forms of expression and appreciate their beauty and power.
8. Embrace individualism: Nietzsche believed in the importance of individualism and rejected collectivism and conformity.
9. Pursue personal happiness: Nietzsche believed that personal happiness and joy were essential to a fulfilling life. Pursue your own happiness and find joy in the present moment.
10. Embrace the human condition: Nietzsche believed that the human condition was inherently flawed but also beautiful and powerful. Embrace the full range of human experiences, including pain and suffering, and use them as opportunities for growth and self-realization.
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Question is:
How much you guys agree or disagree with his principles?
>>390107I disagree with him to an extent on 2 because traditions didn't evolve in a vacuum and they can be used as a basis for forming your values, but you do not need to adhere to them 100%, 8 because forming or joining a collective can be used as a means to gain power. Lone wolves starve after all. And I disagree with 10 because we have the technology to improve the human condition.
>>390108I agree with you
traditions like respecting your parents and taking care of the elderly is good
there are some old moral values that are always useful and good for the health of human being
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but there are some stupid mumbo jumbos here and there
from the time that elder leader of a clan tried to push their power on others
but that does no mean all of them are oppressive
>>390108>Lone wolves starve after allyes , and this whole sigma / alpha male movements caused nothing but accelerate male loneliness
humans are co-operative creatures and they need each others
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>we have the technology to improve the human conditionhe meant gaining experience by suffering and hard life
getting over struggle in life
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personally i love his preaching
like becoming the best version of yourself , recognizing your true talents and working on it to reach perfection
>>390112>he meant gaining experience by suffering and hard lifeI know what he meant and I believe can and should use technology to reduce (not eliminating) suffering while also using it accelerate the rate at which we gain experience. I view transhumanism as a viable path towards engineering the ubermench.
>>390141Humans always are easy going and they want to make their life as easy as possible
which is a good thing and i think we should do that
we created light bulbs so never have to use candles
we created cars so we don't use horses
we used horses so we would not need to walk
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that is the right path imo
do you guys wanna talk about male loneliness epidemic?
and how we can solve it?
>>390295you gotta stop being an useless fucking incel and get some friends, simple as
>>390296i mean it is true but it is not just having male friends...
you need female friends or even female love intrest
bro-mancing does not fulfill your opposite sex desires
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but also distrust is a thing that makes you to not try to get some friend , while there are so many selfish wolves out there
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internet also made socializing harder due to people not seeing each others much as often
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also working full time due to economical problems that we all are facing
your partners in your job area are not a good replacement for friendship , they can become your friend but not really
i do have some good people in the place that work but we are mostly busy and after work we just wanna go home
>>390299i understand your point, workplace being busy and such
but if you have at very least some time, there are always conventions, seminars centered around your interests or entertainments. i met a couple like-minded people at these random events
(even met a cool headhunter once, told me cool things about interviews)
then regarding the girls, i met both of my past girlfriends through another friends
>>390301>attending to seminars centered around your interests or entertainments.that actually is a really good suggestion
i would love to attend to a bronycon or a philosophical seminar
i will give it a chance
thanks anon that is a very good idea
>>390302glad to hear that
when you stop caring about finding anypony, you will find the most friends so it's better to just go there for any fun
at least in my experience
>>390304thanks again
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What are you guys' opinion on Agnostics?
>>390459i think you are Gnostic , or Pegan idk
elaborate if you want
>>390447Agnostic is basically just an atheist who prefers to keep an open mind.
>>390470or a guy like me who is not sure about anything like ever
i don't have evidence that if a god exist or nah
i don't have proof that he does not exist nether
so
i am like yeah there might be a god
and i am not sure so i just live my life as is
i try not to be a bad person and i try to enjoy both this life and probably the other life , if god sees me that i am a good person , he might forgive me for not praying for him
and we all know that , abrahimic god is forgiving and kind , or atleast it is what they claim
>mfw people are agnostic about what agnostic means
>>390469>>390473>>390476>mfw people are not sure what is ''not being sure'' meansthat is funny no gonna lie
also i was mentioning ''Gnostic'' too with no ''A'' at the beginning
>>390295Building fraternal societies that serve to share skill, split rents, network, and build up the members of the fraternity. A fraternal order would be a lot easier to organize than a political movement and would have immediate benefits for members too.
>>390559i believe that too but political movement usually brings more people together
-edgy kids who wanna follow a random leader-
-people who think the govs are retarded and all the parties won't represent them-
etc
the thing that you are saying is good but without a leader or leaders , advertising , speeches , any movement is kinda reaches a dead end
>>390578You could build a political movement from the societies started by the fraternity. Start small and all.
>>390586i tried but look at my flag , i would be executed 100%
i got already jailed twice in both big recent protests
what do you guys think about Anthro-phobic people?
don't mistake it with anti-socials