Welcome to /mlpol/ weary travellers. In this thread I will collect what I can find about the 4chan hack and try to provide a base camp for those lost 4nons that have managed to find their way here. Feel free to add anything you know or swap stories as well. The following is roughly gathered to ensure it is saved.
kiwifarms threads: https://kiwifarms.st/threads/4chan.37222/page-421#post-21099990
janny lists
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/4chan.37222/page-474#post-21102637
yotsuba sauce
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/4chan.37222/page-475#post-21102680
Hiro on twitter: https://xcancel.com/4chan/status/1912242601102844078
https://x.com/4chan/status/1912242601102844078
Commit messages on 4chan repo:
https://files.catbox.moe/yypkoa.txt
Potential information sources you may keep an eye on:
4chan's IRC channel on Rizon
Hiro's 4chan twitter: https://x.com/4chan
Sun article tracking the incident: https://www.the-sun.com/tech/14029069/4chan-down-updates-controversial-website-hacking/
Sinister/pol/: https://leftypol.org/
Know your meme article: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/april-2025-4chan-sharty-hack-and-janitor-email-leak
Sharty: https://www.soyjak.st/news/thread/4104.html
4chan itself of course: https://boards.4chan.org/
NHNB: https://nhnb.org/fim/res/19935.html
Is it down: https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/4chan.org.html
reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1jzoofg/4chan_hacked_taken_down_emails_and_ips_leaked/
The Official thread by the man of the hour himself over on SoyJack.st: https://www.soyjak.st/soy/thread/10615723.html
The sharty's own summary of events: https://wiki.soyjak.st/The_Great_Cuckset
Janny logs: https://bvll.neocities.org/j/
/mlpol/ - My Little Politics
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>>386175
Not sure yet. Guess we will find out. The fact that it is happening to both of them is a bit concerning.
Not sure yet. Guess we will find out. The fact that it is happening to both of them is a bit concerning.
https://boards.4chan.org/j/ now gives 524 error while all other boards (https://boards.4chan.org/pol/ , https://boards.4chan.org/mlp/) give 522
(previously ALL boards returned 522)
(previously ALL boards returned 522)
>>386197
Just timeout errors. Dunno why they don't just turn off the redirect until they fix the problem
Just timeout errors. Dunno why they don't just turn off the redirect until they fix the problem
>>386200
522 means that cuckflare couldn't connect to the server
524 means that cuckflare managed to find connection but got no response
this means that /j/ may be functional to some extent
522 means that cuckflare couldn't connect to the server
524 means that cuckflare managed to find connection but got no response
this means that /j/ may be functional to some extent
>>386172
>>386180
8chan.moe runs on LynxChan, and LynxChan does that. I used to run a small LynxChan instance of my own and I can't imagine how buggy the site must be with 1000+ PPH. Even with a lot less traffic than that I found a pretty horrifying number of weird bugs and edge cases, which led me to seriously wonder if vanilla LynxChan had ever actually been tested by anybody. 8chan.moe's fork seemed like it was pretty heavily customized meaning it was hard to steal patches from, because boy oh boy does vanilla LynxChan/PenumbraLynx need patching, so it's possible that it holds up a little better than vanilla, but I'm not sure about that.
8kun is running on a customized vichan fork called Infinity which is reasonably well battle tested and I would think should be capable of a lot more PPH than the site currently has, but I'm not sure what kind of load balancing or CDN they have going on these days. Back in the day, the 8ch staff did try to replace Infinity with a clean-slate design called Infinity Next back in the day, but that migration failed and the site quickly reverted because Infinity Next turned out to be way too heavy under load to be usable for 8ch's user base. The original Infinity used to be a big mess of ancient PHP that nobody liked to work on. I'm guessing that's still true, but a lot can change in just about ten years so I can't claim to be an expert on Infinity beyond knowing some historical trivia about it. Might be possible that 8kun's servers aren't as well equipped to handle a load as 8ch's used to be, but every time I've looked /qresearch/ has had a ridiculous amount of totally not bot traffic keeping things warm so I don't know.
The collection of available off-the-shelf imageboard software for the aspiring altchan admin isn't good in my opinion. Every option seems like a bad one for different reasons. I really hope that mlpol's ASPNetChan is better than average. From casual use without any idea what the backend looks like, I feel like it probably is.
>>386180
8chan.moe runs on LynxChan, and LynxChan does that. I used to run a small LynxChan instance of my own and I can't imagine how buggy the site must be with 1000+ PPH. Even with a lot less traffic than that I found a pretty horrifying number of weird bugs and edge cases, which led me to seriously wonder if vanilla LynxChan had ever actually been tested by anybody. 8chan.moe's fork seemed like it was pretty heavily customized meaning it was hard to steal patches from, because boy oh boy does vanilla LynxChan/PenumbraLynx need patching, so it's possible that it holds up a little better than vanilla, but I'm not sure about that.
8kun is running on a customized vichan fork called Infinity which is reasonably well battle tested and I would think should be capable of a lot more PPH than the site currently has, but I'm not sure what kind of load balancing or CDN they have going on these days. Back in the day, the 8ch staff did try to replace Infinity with a clean-slate design called Infinity Next back in the day, but that migration failed and the site quickly reverted because Infinity Next turned out to be way too heavy under load to be usable for 8ch's user base. The original Infinity used to be a big mess of ancient PHP that nobody liked to work on. I'm guessing that's still true, but a lot can change in just about ten years so I can't claim to be an expert on Infinity beyond knowing some historical trivia about it. Might be possible that 8kun's servers aren't as well equipped to handle a load as 8ch's used to be, but every time I've looked /qresearch/ has had a ridiculous amount of totally not bot traffic keeping things warm so I don't know.
The collection of available off-the-shelf imageboard software for the aspiring altchan admin isn't good in my opinion. Every option seems like a bad one for different reasons. I really hope that mlpol's ASPNetChan is better than average. From casual use without any idea what the backend looks like, I feel like it probably is.
>>386211
Half of their staff is sure to quit after being doxxed, they have bigger problems than the code.
Half of their staff is sure to quit after being doxxed, they have bigger problems than the code.
>>386209
Personally while I'm very hopeful for ASPNetChan from a user perspective, the "ASP Net" part would make me very iffy to host something like that myself. But maybe that's just me.
>The collection of available off-the-shelf imageboard software for the aspiring altchan admin isn't good in my opinion.
I think part of the issue is just that the existing altchans are all running pretty ancient forks of forks of forks that evolved naturally over the course of time.
An imageboard is not the most complicated thing to develop. But almost nobody will bother spending their free time doing it when at best maybe one or two obscure alts with <10 users total will ever run it, and more likely nobody ever even will. /mlpol/'s case where someone wanted to create an imageboard AND make the software for it AND it had a well defined enough niche to stay relevant and not just fade into total obscurity and shut down - is a pretty rare thing, and then of course you have the problem that the admins are pulling double duty on both administering the entire site and trying to develop on it.
For example, PHP has been out of fashion as a backend language for over a decade by now, and so has ASP.Net for that matter. And I'm not just talking about bloated javascript framework websites, but for example Go is a pretty good language for web backends (really, perhaps the thing Go is best at). And yet the overwhelming majority of chans are still using PHP (except lynxchan which is probably the only "modern" engine from scratch - and is using nodejs of all things).
Personally while I'm very hopeful for ASPNetChan from a user perspective, the "ASP Net" part would make me very iffy to host something like that myself. But maybe that's just me.
>The collection of available off-the-shelf imageboard software for the aspiring altchan admin isn't good in my opinion.
I think part of the issue is just that the existing altchans are all running pretty ancient forks of forks of forks that evolved naturally over the course of time.
An imageboard is not the most complicated thing to develop. But almost nobody will bother spending their free time doing it when at best maybe one or two obscure alts with <10 users total will ever run it, and more likely nobody ever even will. /mlpol/'s case where someone wanted to create an imageboard AND make the software for it AND it had a well defined enough niche to stay relevant and not just fade into total obscurity and shut down - is a pretty rare thing, and then of course you have the problem that the admins are pulling double duty on both administering the entire site and trying to develop on it.
For example, PHP has been out of fashion as a backend language for over a decade by now, and so has ASP.Net for that matter. And I'm not just talking about bloated javascript framework websites, but for example Go is a pretty good language for web backends (really, perhaps the thing Go is best at). And yet the overwhelming majority of chans are still using PHP (except lynxchan which is probably the only "modern" engine from scratch - and is using nodejs of all things).
>>386283
I heard in the last day or so on the IRC that work is still ongoing from one of the mods there. It's not much but it's something.
I heard in the last day or so on the IRC that work is still ongoing from one of the mods there. It's not much but it's something.
>>386071
Moot is probably working with the feds, because despite how lazy cops are, hacking is a crime.
I think his shitter "durr partying" or whatever post is to get the hackers to put their guard down. Law enforcement doesn't announce they are investigating, they kick your door in when they are done.
Moot is probably working with the feds, because despite how lazy cops are, hacking is a crime.
I think his shitter "durr partying" or whatever post is to get the hackers to put their guard down. Law enforcement doesn't announce they are investigating, they kick your door in when they are done.
>>386299
>Moot is probably working with the feds
Always was. He's a jew and google gave him a place after he sold to Hiro.
>Moot is probably working with the feds
Always was. He's a jew and google gave him a place after he sold to Hiro.
>>386293
That's the problem with going a fucking decade between software updates. They can't just update the server and turn the lights back. There's probably layers of deprecated things that need to be updated and replaced. If they would have just done their due diligence then each change would have been easy to do over the years, but they're stuck with a big rat's nest of bullshit to untangle since they waited until things blew up in their face before making a change.
That's the problem with going a fucking decade between software updates. They can't just update the server and turn the lights back. There's probably layers of deprecated things that need to be updated and replaced. If they would have just done their due diligence then each change would have been easy to do over the years, but they're stuck with a big rat's nest of bullshit to untangle since they waited until things blew up in their face before making a change.
>>386319
i doubt its that clear cut. his uncle worked at silver stream media, and he was lusting after some fucking chick.
the whole situation with 4chan feels like under duress to me. and the idea of moot as some kind of le epic glownigger doesnt hold much merrit to me when he wasnt the only creator of 4chan, he was given ownership to keep the feds from booking the owners over troublemakers. it just doesn't fit. he does, however, have some obvious connections, however, given the actual value of 4chan and how much he was paid, I really dont see it as him being controlled op or anything of the sort. 4chan was just a place to talk about video games and anime that got popular. it was a copy cat moot made of some japanese style website that took off. thats not the kind of hallmark of feds, thats bleeding edge stuff. Is he glowie now? sure, he took the exit strategy the glowniggers wanted. if he was really a cuck, or hated us, or what have you, put yourself into his shoes for two minutes. you create this anime website and pay into it with your own money. then some feds and your literal uncle start shitting in your cornflakes and threaten to take it away because some autistic permavergins caught them spending military dollary doos to influence whores and video game reviewers on the interbutts. I have no doubt moot went to japan because the entire fiasco that went on behind closed doors made him absolutely lose all faith in his family. he took his 15 mil, google job (necissary for feds to give him a job if hes going to get started in nippon) and cut ties. hes never been back, so that has to be part of the deal. what kind of attitude is that for a glownigger? most actual glowniggers would never settle for being cut off from their own project forever man. he'd at least show up like bezos does to bully the new person in charge on social media.
i doubt its that clear cut. his uncle worked at silver stream media, and he was lusting after some fucking chick.
the whole situation with 4chan feels like under duress to me. and the idea of moot as some kind of le epic glownigger doesnt hold much merrit to me when he wasnt the only creator of 4chan, he was given ownership to keep the feds from booking the owners over troublemakers. it just doesn't fit. he does, however, have some obvious connections, however, given the actual value of 4chan and how much he was paid, I really dont see it as him being controlled op or anything of the sort. 4chan was just a place to talk about video games and anime that got popular. it was a copy cat moot made of some japanese style website that took off. thats not the kind of hallmark of feds, thats bleeding edge stuff. Is he glowie now? sure, he took the exit strategy the glowniggers wanted. if he was really a cuck, or hated us, or what have you, put yourself into his shoes for two minutes. you create this anime website and pay into it with your own money. then some feds and your literal uncle start shitting in your cornflakes and threaten to take it away because some autistic permavergins caught them spending military dollary doos to influence whores and video game reviewers on the interbutts. I have no doubt moot went to japan because the entire fiasco that went on behind closed doors made him absolutely lose all faith in his family. he took his 15 mil, google job (necissary for feds to give him a job if hes going to get started in nippon) and cut ties. hes never been back, so that has to be part of the deal. what kind of attitude is that for a glownigger? most actual glowniggers would never settle for being cut off from their own project forever man. he'd at least show up like bezos does to bully the new person in charge on social media.
>>386412
and this website will become a barren wasteland if/when they do fix it.
I will be sad when everyone leaves.
and this website will become a barren wasteland if/when they do fix it.
I will be sad when everyone leaves.
>>386413
I was just fine before they came doing my roleplaying game, and I'll be fine after they leave. Let them come, let them go.
I was just fine before they came doing my roleplaying game, and I'll be fine after they leave. Let them come, let them go.
>>386214
>And I'm not just talking about bloated javascript framework websites, but for example Go is a pretty good language for web backends (really, perhaps the thing Go is best at). And yet the overwhelming majority of chans are still using PHP (except lynxchan which is probably the only "modern" engine from scratch - and is using nodejs of all things).
If you want a Go based imageboard, you should look into meguca. It's currently known as shamichan and is a semi-dead project, but scales way better than 8moe or 8kun have shown so far. These are the forks I know about that power active websites.
>https://github.com/zkm2/shamichan
https://shamiko.org, successor of meguca/a/.
>https://github.com/0-chan-ru/tetuca
https://4.0-chan.ru, lots of russian boards and hosts meguca/pol/ at /xomy/.
>https://github.com/meowmin/meguca
No idea where the site is but very actively developed.
>And I'm not just talking about bloated javascript framework websites, but for example Go is a pretty good language for web backends (really, perhaps the thing Go is best at). And yet the overwhelming majority of chans are still using PHP (except lynxchan which is probably the only "modern" engine from scratch - and is using nodejs of all things).
If you want a Go based imageboard, you should look into meguca. It's currently known as shamichan and is a semi-dead project, but scales way better than 8moe or 8kun have shown so far. These are the forks I know about that power active websites.
>https://github.com/zkm2/shamichan
https://shamiko.org, successor of meguca/a/.
>https://github.com/0-chan-ru/tetuca
https://4.0-chan.ru, lots of russian boards and hosts meguca/pol/ at /xomy/.
>https://github.com/meowmin/meguca
No idea where the site is but very actively developed.
>>386414
Right?
>I haven't had enough incompetence, I want more! Bring all the things back, cuz it TOTALLY wasn't broken before
Right?
>I haven't had enough incompetence, I want more! Bring all the things back, cuz it TOTALLY wasn't broken before
>>386414
>It's sickening how eager most people are to go back after a bigger scandal than the Fappening/Gamergate shitshow
calling this happening "bigger" than GG implies that we'll see fruits of its story for more than a decade
>XenForo
I'm pretty sure it supports anon posting kek
>>386416
>not pure Go
as a /g/entooman I find this insulting
>It's sickening how eager most people are to go back after a bigger scandal than the Fappening/Gamergate shitshow
calling this happening "bigger" than GG implies that we'll see fruits of its story for more than a decade
>XenForo
I'm pretty sure it supports anon posting kek
>>386416
>not pure Go
as a /g/entooman I find this insulting
>>386418
GG might have unfortunately been a cultural phenomenon but the 4chan scandals around luggage lad and some other events like /pol/harbor were definitely smaller than the whole site dying while all the memes and dox rumors about the staff were proved correct.
>not pure Go
I don't think you can do liveposting without JS.
GG might have unfortunately been a cultural phenomenon but the 4chan scandals around luggage lad and some other events like /pol/harbor were definitely smaller than the whole site dying while all the memes and dox rumors about the staff were proved correct.
>not pure Go
I don't think you can do liveposting without JS.
>>386420
>cultural phenomenon
fix your website, Abib
>I don't think you can do liveposting without JS.
I think one can use Go2JS compiler
also looking at source code I find use of websockets to be unnecessary & dependency on Posgres being strange (many small altchans are fine with sqllite or outright using plaintext)
>cultural phenomenon
fix your website, Abib
>I don't think you can do liveposting without JS.
I think one can use Go2JS compiler
also looking at source code I find use of websockets to be unnecessary & dependency on Posgres being strange (many small altchans are fine with sqllite or outright using plaintext)
>>386421
lat (bakape) was always using meme tech. He must have been onto something when shamiko can do >1k PPH and feed ~10 liveposts to ~150 users without choking. Compare that to the absolute state of 8kun and 8moe now.
lat (bakape) was always using meme tech. He must have been onto something when shamiko can do >1k PPH and feed ~10 liveposts to ~150 users without choking. Compare that to the absolute state of 8kun and 8moe now.
>>386420
>I don't think you can do liveposting without JS.
Not with that attitude.
https://github.com/cindersax/htmx-bun-chat
>I don't think you can do liveposting without JS.
Not with that attitude.
https://github.com/cindersax/htmx-bun-chat
>>386430
The demo doesn't look like it has realtime post updates. On a meguca instance you see people typing.
The demo doesn't look like it has realtime post updates. On a meguca instance you see people typing.
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>>386201
interesting, could they be using /j/ as a test board of sort for how they're fixing the site?
interesting, could they be using /j/ as a test board of sort for how they're fixing the site?
>>386414
>It's sickening how eager most people are to go back
While we at /mlp/ are not doing too bad all things considered, there are still tons of things that just don't have a replacement. Most hobby boards like /g/ or /ck/ or /an/ simply don't have an active bunker (unless anons actually migrated to 8moe from all boards, I haven't checked it out yet). And there were certainly a good amount of posters who were regulars on the huge boards like /v/ or /pol/ and actually enjoyed spending time among the huge cascade of garbage going on there, and again there's simply no replacement that's anywhere near as fast right now.
>It's sickening how eager most people are to go back
While we at /mlp/ are not doing too bad all things considered, there are still tons of things that just don't have a replacement. Most hobby boards like /g/ or /ck/ or /an/ simply don't have an active bunker (unless anons actually migrated to 8moe from all boards, I haven't checked it out yet). And there were certainly a good amount of posters who were regulars on the huge boards like /v/ or /pol/ and actually enjoyed spending time among the huge cascade of garbage going on there, and again there's simply no replacement that's anywhere near as fast right now.
>>386461
>dude check out this thread that hasn't even had any posts for four days, it's totally gonna be a good replacement for your entire 2000 post per day board
Obviously some people here are going to be into various things as well, there have been technical discussions too, you could probably start a /diy/-related thread on /ub/ or even here or something, etc. But it's not at all the same as the entire board itself actually migrating.
Where can I get chink recommendations for my /tea/ now, for example? Probably not here.
>dude check out this thread that hasn't even had any posts for four days, it's totally gonna be a good replacement for your entire 2000 post per day board
Obviously some people here are going to be into various things as well, there have been technical discussions too, you could probably start a /diy/-related thread on /ub/ or even here or something, etc. But it's not at all the same as the entire board itself actually migrating.
Where can I get chink recommendations for my /tea/ now, for example? Probably not here.
>>386466
>this again
Nigger, I am measuring boards by the actual conversations I was able to have, with real people. Both in generals and outside. The fact that some shillbotspambuzzwords probably existed on the catalog doesn't mean that the actual speed of the real conversations that did happen was all fake or something.
And it certainly had more real posters I was able to talk to than /ub/'s cooking thread has.
>this again
Nigger, I am measuring boards by the actual conversations I was able to have, with real people. Both in generals and outside. The fact that some shillbotspambuzzwords probably existed on the catalog doesn't mean that the actual speed of the real conversations that did happen was all fake or something.
And it certainly had more real posters I was able to talk to than /ub/'s cooking thread has.
>>386467
Fair, but cooking is everywhere on the internet, so the blow-back from a sudden loss of /ck/ is negligible; so it is for many boards, and (delightfully) anons are doing their part and making the whole of the internet a much more shitposty place. You can have likewise exchanges in comment sections and more, and if you're doing it right any id's or accounts associated with said comments are are insular to the point of anonymity.
Fair, but cooking is everywhere on the internet, so the blow-back from a sudden loss of /ck/ is negligible; so it is for many boards, and (delightfully) anons are doing their part and making the whole of the internet a much more shitposty place. You can have likewise exchanges in comment sections and more, and if you're doing it right any id's or accounts associated with said comments are are insular to the point of anonymity.
>>386470
Yes but I want my bros back. I also don't wanna hunt around the internet for random comment sections or whatever like some kind of kike diaspora, I wanna have a place I can go to.
Maybe /ck/ was not the most unique board, but again /tea/ for example had a good few anons that were fun and actually helpful to chat with, where else am I gonna find a small group of autists who are well-informed on puerh strains and different harvests to give me suggestions? And other boards have it way worse, there is no replacement for /fglt/ or /dpt/ on /g/, or for /3dpg/ or /ohm/ on diy, etc. Yeah sure collectively there are lots of people on the internet that are into tech, linux, 3d printing or electronics respectively, but there is no equivalent place for such discussion. Realistically, my options are basically registering for reddit or some BB forum, and you're insane if you find either of those options to be adequate replacements.
Yes but I want my bros back. I also don't wanna hunt around the internet for random comment sections or whatever like some kind of kike diaspora, I wanna have a place I can go to.
Maybe /ck/ was not the most unique board, but again /tea/ for example had a good few anons that were fun and actually helpful to chat with, where else am I gonna find a small group of autists who are well-informed on puerh strains and different harvests to give me suggestions? And other boards have it way worse, there is no replacement for /fglt/ or /dpt/ on /g/, or for /3dpg/ or /ohm/ on diy, etc. Yeah sure collectively there are lots of people on the internet that are into tech, linux, 3d printing or electronics respectively, but there is no equivalent place for such discussion. Realistically, my options are basically registering for reddit or some BB forum, and you're insane if you find either of those options to be adequate replacements.
>>386472
fuck the jannies on /ck/. Everytime I mention goy slop, I get banned.
Did I insult the janny's favorite food or they trying to protect some food slop company?
fuck the jannies on /ck/. Everytime I mention goy slop, I get banned.
Did I insult the janny's favorite food or they trying to protect some food slop company?
>>386414
What are you talking about, what scandal? The site simply got hacked because of its old infrastructure, it will be updated and then come back the way it was. I personally don't give a fuck that jannies had their info leaked it doesn't affect me in any way so I don't see why you're implying it should deter me from going back.
Same goes for the fappening/gamergate. Why should anyone care?
What are you talking about, what scandal? The site simply got hacked because of its old infrastructure, it will be updated and then come back the way it was. I personally don't give a fuck that jannies had their info leaked it doesn't affect me in any way so I don't see why you're implying it should deter me from going back.
Same goes for the fappening/gamergate. Why should anyone care?
>>386540
>what scandal?
their server had been running software that hadn't been properly maintained (according to the unofficial leak story). In information security this is considered scandalous because it's incomprehensible how a big player like 4chan could be so negligent.
But of course, the unofficial story that every takes for granted isn't true, but that's another discussion
>what scandal?
their server had been running software that hadn't been properly maintained (according to the unofficial leak story). In information security this is considered scandalous because it's incomprehensible how a big player like 4chan could be so negligent.
But of course, the unofficial story that every takes for granted isn't true, but that's another discussion
>>386540
>then come back the way it was.
It will come back but it won't be the same. They'll need to replace so much deprecated stuff that the site will be different. It will be like a decade of small update quirks all crammed into a moment
>then come back the way it was.
It will come back but it won't be the same. They'll need to replace so much deprecated stuff that the site will be different. It will be like a decade of small update quirks all crammed into a moment
>>386542
I would understand it as a scandal if 4chan was a financial website or something, but it's an anonymous imageboard that doesn't keep any user information except for their IP which is worthless.
Unless you're some kind of /g/ fag hyper-obsessed with security I don't see why random users should be concerned.
I would understand it as a scandal if 4chan was a financial website or something, but it's an anonymous imageboard that doesn't keep any user information except for their IP which is worthless.
Unless you're some kind of /g/ fag hyper-obsessed with security I don't see why random users should be concerned.
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