/mlpol/ - My Little Politics

>>11308

I don't smoke, I don't take meds and I barely ever drink alcohol. For all I care they could ban everything tomorrow.

>>11311
Same for me here.

>>11311
chek'd
Everything should be legal.

All of them should be illegal but deeply researched for medical use,no recreative shit

>>11317
I approve of this post. Look at portugal.

Im currently running serotonin boosters for the lulz. If someone gave me a hit of mdma or coke, i would die.

My inner libertarian says make them all legal, but in all honesty that's stupid. I think were fine with the laws in place now. Its not like passing more laws is going to change anything.

>>11308
Drugs for medicine are fine, but drugs for recreational use will destroy society and culture more completely than any invading force possibly could

I think people should be able to do what they want with their own bodies as long as they aren't directly harming anyone. Besides, the war on drugs has done far more damage to society than drugs themselves . All that being said, I wouldn't be opposed to some regulation, such as age restrictions and the like.

>>11367
I think it depends on the drug. I have no problem with mild psychedelics, cannabis, or nootropics (smart drugs), but I think addictive drugs like cocaine or heroin definitely need to be outlawed.

>>11372
Weed may not be addictive, but it's actually not that difficult to develop a psychological dependency on it, kind of like an alcoholic. I live in CO, and in the past couple years I seen people have their lives destroyed by the stuff: once they got unrestricted access, the'd indulge until all they'd ever want to do was sit around and be high.
Sure, those cases aren't that common, but the danger is real. An "experienced" smoker probably shouldn't have problems if they know basic moderation, but weed is certainly not a harmless drug.
I don't smoke or drink, so I can't say my info is first hand, but I'll say that non-addictive substances can still be very dangerous.

>>11308
Psychedelics should be legal, drugs like alcohol/marijuana that don't cause physical dependency are fine. Drugs like cocaine/heroin/meth(basically drugs that play heavily on the reward structures of the brain) should never be legal for recreational use because it's basically spamming and devaluing incentive chemicals to the point where the physical addiction can hijack your daily life.

>>11382
If anything I think weed is more insidious than other drugs, precisely because it's not that physically dangerous. With alcohol, coke, heroin, meth, or any other type of physically addictive drug, overindulgence always eventually leads to some sort of crash where the user hits "rock bottom" and they ultimately have to make a choice between either giving up the drug and seeking whatever sort of help they need, or accepting the fact that their life is over.

The problem with weed is it doesn't have a rock bottom. Excessive marijuana use won't kill you or destroy your life to the point where you can't function in the world, it just turns you into a stoney apathetic retard who doesn't care about anything other than getting stoned. I've seen it happen with people I otherwise respect and it's honestly quite sad.

Most stoners I've met embrace boilerplate liberal views but don't really bother to keep up with the news or current world events. Most of them don't even vote except for presidential elections. They can hold in-depth conversations about movies or music but don't know the first thing about the world around them. Being a stoner is pretty much the definition of being bluepilled: you choose to live in a pleasant stupor rather than accept and live in reality.

That's hypocritical to not legalize weed while alcohol and other drugs are allowed with prescription. I think people should be able to grow their own weed without any legal issues.

>>11369
How do you feel about sin tax?

It depends on the context, ultimately it should be legal but with a state funded healthcare system it becomes a public health issue

>>11384
You're correct as far as heroin/coke/meth are concerned. Alcohol actually is physically addictive and pretty much any overindulgence causes a person to become technically addicted. A hangover is actually a very mild form of withdrawal. However it's not addictive in quite the same way that opiate drugs are addictive so the majority of people who use it don't become addicted. Most people who occasionally get very drunk usually don't want to get that drunk again for a very long time, a small percentage of people become psychologically dependent on being drunk and continue to indulge until eventually they have a real physical addiction. Alcoholics who go cold turkey go through horrible withdrawal, in fact alcohol withdrawal is the only kind of drug withdrawal that you can actually die from.

Alcohol prohibition was actually a pretty good idea imo, it just didn't turn out to be practical and the vast majority of people who use it don't become addicted, so it's probably here to stay I suppose.

>>11384
Psychedelics distort reality and can cause brain damage, they should absolutely not be legal. Weed is less physically harmful but it turns people into apathetic morons and I don't think it should be legal, see >>11402

>>11407
It's not hypocritical, alcohol poses legitimate risks as described above. Prescription drugs serve a medical purpose and use of anything physically addictive has to have a medical justification and requires the supervision of a doctor. Weed has no medicinal properties other than providing mild pain relief that can be more effectively provided by other drugs, and as a recreational substance it is not harmless, see >>11402

Hard drugs, like Methamphetamine or Heroin should absolutely be illegal. I'd prefer that marijuana not be legal to sell for recreational purpose because I've seen how it destroy's people's personality, but I'm fine with it being decriminalized. Frankly I'd be fine with alcohol prohibition as well, though I can't imagine that would be very popular

>>11437
Check out this study that shows that Alcohol consumption decreased by half under Prohibition in the United States, and remained that way for a couple years after it ended
https://books.google.com/books?id=BuzNzm-x0l8C&pg=PA23#v=onepage&q&f=false

>>11480
The homicide rate rose a lot during prohibition though, also the study mentions that the economic depression could explain in part the low alcohol consumption the following years

People can fuck their own lives for all I care. Just leave it up to the states or something.

The gibsmedat mentality of the US is a much bigger issue desu. Sometimes you just have to let people die, instead of giving them free shit that they're just going to sell for a drug habit they won't drop.

>>11504
The consumption rate fell during the 20s though, long before the depression. And as you can see from the graph it was on the same upward trend before prohibition

>>11308

Meth: no
Heroin: no
Cocaine: no
Psychedelics: should be legal but consider spiritual instead of awesome trippy color. people should be aware of how bad they can potentially be and should not be taken lightly or uninformed
Weed: I see little to no problem tbh, people should wait until 18 or 21 to try it though
Cigarettes: should be legal, silently does more damage than all of these combined
Alcohol: should be consider a hard drug but also legal, people need to take it more seriously. I'm probably just bias cause all of the alcoholics in my life
Prescription Pills, Opiates: crack down on this garbage. they give you like 30 hydros for getting your wisdom teeth out, they are trying to get kids hooked on this trash

>>11532

* cigarettes should be illegal

Only cucks and jews are anti tobacco. Real men control their addictions

After growing up in an area with a big drug problem, I'll just say this: Drugs = Bad. I've seen people with completely fried brain cells that can't even spell their own name becaus of drugs. I've seen families split apart because drughead parents would rather be spaced out on whatever shit they're taking than actually raise their children, and end up getting a visit from social services. Hell, I know someone who once tried to overdose on painkillers who ended up teaching at a school even though she still had some serious issues. Drugs WILL fuck up your mind PERMANENTLY. Any drugs not used for medical reasons should be completely illegal. Drugs will fuck you up and a lot of times people will never fully recover from it. They're degenerate, and I can say that from witnessing firsthand my entire life people whose lives have been completely ruined because of them. And if you think people who take drugs aren't that bad, try driving down your local Martin Luther King Drive.

>>11508
Indeed, I'm not saying that the consumption didn't fell but even though murders started to increase before there's a clear spike during prohibition. Considering that the consumption decreased only by half and the state also lost all its revenues related to alcohol taxation during that period the results were only lukewarm tbh.

>>11550
A decrease by more than half is pretty good, especially considering that it lasted a few years after prohibition ended, and with both Canada and Cuba undercutting prohibition by allowing the legal export of alcohol. Prohibition did what it was intended to do, which was decrease alcohol consumption and habituate less drinking. Prohibition may have increased crime, but then again you can see pretty clearly that homicides starting increasing at that rate quite a few years before prohibition began, besides a strange spike in the late 1800s. Homicides went down from 1933 but the Depression and the new involvement of Federal law enforcement likely helped. I don't think that anyone who advocates prohibition of anything desires to return to the days before the FBI existed.

>>11504
I wonder what else could have raised the homicide rate during the prohibition era other than prohibition itself. Man, I wonder, weren't there like, armed gangs of thugs peddling moonshine and hard liqueurs behind every table? You know, like organized crime?

To an extent, I think some mild drugs should be legalized. Simple opiates and cannabinoids. Then stomp the fuck out of "designer drugs" which do more harm than fucking krokodyl half the time. Limited use could curtail the advancement of worse shit if it's nice and legal. Legalization of coca would also make life easier for breweries.
Then ban cigarette production (but not nicotine or tobacco itself) and put down heavy regulation around alcohol and you're done.

>>11423
I don't feel that strongly, but I'm pretty libertarian all around, so I'm not a big fan of taxes. I really only think taxes should be used for fiscal reasons.

>>11598
Designer drugs are one of the biggest reasons I am pro-legalization of marijuana. Weed isn't part of this balanced breakfast, but it isn't going to give you a seizure.

>>11598
Designer drugs are pretty interesting, they're increasingly worse because most of the time they are classic molecules with some atoms added to bypass existing regulations, which makes them next to impossible to stop with the usual means. As soon as one is banned, there's another worse one on the market. I would be in favour of legalising everything and let the market sort itself out tbh

>>11308
Make it all legal. Let those with no self-control die.

We would have global prosperity in a week.

I have mixed feelings on the matter.

First I believe that society and the media should not exalt the use of any drug whatsoever. Citizens should be encouraged to live sober lives.

I also think that if someone really wants to put garbage into their body, then it's none of my business.

However on the other hand I am only human and "dude weed lmao" potheads have been so obnoxious and annoying that I will be voting to keep pot banned in my state purely out of spite.

Criminalize being intoxicated in public and legalize it in homes and bars.

Hehehehe 420, weed is cool and makes you cool! heeeheee heee..

THC is known to disrupt the endocrine system and force your organism to drop the production of testosterone, it's a research conducted on weed searching for a therapic use against some cancers that got to this conclusion.. Source is Oncodesign, a society near Dijon.

There's nothing jewest than forcing a population into using psychotropic drugs. of all kind. this plus TV creates a population of slaves.

>>11308
zecora has the best plants in the everhigh forest

legal of course!
censorship = slaying & censors = murders

>>17137
Since you already went ahead and bumped this dying thread to the top, have a free drughorse.
Drugs are degenerate.

>>11384
>can hijack your daily life
yes, my live, not your live.
why are drugs illegal in the first place
i mean like-
it don't make any sense.
it's like "hey you like MLPOL? you must be a pedo nazi!"

As long as I am not disturbing someone's rights or harming anyone, I should not be told, what I could or could not put inside my body.(this includes comfy butt plugs)

>>17179
Social Liberalism
Is still Liberalism

>>17164
>>17150

I used to think this way, but I've since changed my views. Drugs alter the way people think and has an effect on behavior. Weed basically turns people into complacent retards who don't care about anything except weed and shitty music. It causes people to drop out of civic life and stop paying attention to the world around them. It makes you not want to take on challenges or do anything hard.

There's a reason most stoners are left-wing, and it's not because leftist parties tend to be more open toward legalizing it. Weed creates a sense of false euphoria and makes you feel like you're in a safe bubble where everything is pleasant and wonderful. It makes you think stupid ideas and jokes that occur to you while stoned are profound revelations. It makes you believe that complex problems can be solved with moronically simple blanket solutions like "everyone should just learn to share" or "we should all just love each other." It's like a chemical version of the Daily Show.

Drugs are the original bluepill.

>>17164
Also, Pinkie Pie should be ashamed of herself, doing that in front of an impressionable filly.

>>17164
People like you make me mad. Yes, an intelligent person does not need a government body to regulate what they can/cannot consume for them. The problem is, the majority of the population are NOT intelligent. They are not smart enough to moderate themselves, much less an entire society. You can see this with the immediate degeneration democracy brought to the West. Those of you who are intelligent, or "above average" need to realize that you are the exception to the norm, and that the masses are fucking retarded.

It's like the Christopher Hitchens militant atheists types who look at something like the Bible, and see it is full of obvious myths and exaggerations, and then get super upset when the masses still believe in it. They are autistic for assuming everyone is as capable of critical thinking and analysis as they are. Yes, if the average IQ was 125 and we had a white ethnostate, something like religion wouldn't be needed. But, the unfortunate reality is, even among European societies, the average person is not intelligent enough to moderate their own morality and they need a higher power to do so. It will always be either government, religion, or both.

>>17201
In my younger days I took all sorts of drugs and had a lot of fun. I was politically aware at the age of 12 and the only narcotics I had taken at that point were tobacco and alcohol. Weed did not change me politically in anyway. In fact I used to hate those people who would complain about the exploitation of coca-cola when they knew there supply of fun came from the suffering of others. This was well before the back room growers started. I also hate it when people talk about gateway drugs or some being more harmful than others. It is all shit. The one and only reason I never took heroin was because I already knew what I was like with alcohol and they have a similar attraction. I took the cocaine and after a few goes never returned because it just did not suit me. Do I miss the past not really. Do I have days when I would like to take the edge off a bit yes and on those days I reach for the cough syrup. Am I growing plants for extraction later in the year yes but more for scientific curiosity than getting out of it. Would be far simpler just to take a plane and have a weekender out of my head than wait 4 months for leaves to grow, buy some chemicals, do some calculations and taste a tiny bit just in case I might kill myself.

As far as I am concerned drugs are good for fun weekends and experimentation when you are young. As you get older you stick mainly to taking the ones you like and can cope with. This never alters you perception of politics. I think those people who become wet blankets were already there and the drugs just exacerbated it not the other way round.

>>17211
Spoken like a true follower of Edward Bernays. Up the corporations and banana growers of the US!

>>17215
So, in a place like the United States, where we have entire racial groups with an average IQ below 95, do you honestly think allowing freedom of choice regarding drug use is a good thing? Look at what crack cocaine did to the black community. Look at what meth has done to the Midwest and South, which are traditionally more blue collar. Are you implying these are good things? You don't seem like much of a traditionalist or a conservative to me.

>>17218
If you are going to use IQ as an argument I will not reply again as it is an indication that you truly do not know anything.
Any person can make meth amphetamine. All the raw materials are available from the chemist. Why this and crack destroyed communities is because that was the purpose. They were used as a way of oppression much in the same way they used LSD to keep the hippies in slavery. Nothing to do with intelligence at all. Nothing to do with race at all. Expand your horizons of reading and move away from your rut of information. Read some Chomsky, Eysenck and learn to interpret real data instead of the pre-prepared spam charts of the chans.

>>17224
>IQ don't real
>read Chomsky
Nearly every major political prediction Chomsky ever made has been completely wrong, to the point it is almost comedic.

>crack cocaine destroyed black communities because that was the purpose
>haha differences in culture and the way different groups treat drugs has nothing to do with any genetic predisposition
>race is only skin deep!!1!
Really? I expected better from a Nip.

>>17227
O.K. Will bite. Give me some Chomsky predictions that have not come true. Or to be helpful to you give me an example of a Chomsky prediction.

Mixing culture with genetics!!!!

All substances have different affects on different people and yes a distinct racial group may have a different reaction. Japanese are less tolerant of alcohol than others but show me some pure scientific evidence to prove that a person a black decent reacts different to meth. Give me some real data to look at.

>>17229
I may not have worded what I was saying properly. I didn't mean that blacks have a different reaction to a substance like meth because of their genetics, but that their lower IQ makes them more likely to engage in destructive behaviors, like drug-use.

>>17229
Just realized I only replied to the second half of your post.

>Some Nomsky predictions that haven't come true
Have you actually read any of his books he wrote during the Cold War? It's been years since I read them, but the amount of shit he predicted was enormous. I can't recall specific examples, but I remember laughing out loud multiple times reading it because of how absolutely ridiculous most of his claims were, even though he is hailed as an intellectual icon. He predicts enough shit that eventually he gets something right, and everyone spergs out over it.If you want specific examples I can try and find some of his books I have lying around my house somewhere, but it won't be tonight.

>>17234
That is fine. If nothing is too hand it is a non issue because you would quote and I would dispute on something old and irrelevant for today.

I would dispute that black people have a lower IQ to white unless you make the distinction you are talking about black Americans that have grown up in an American culture. It appears that the intelligence of Americans is lower than the world average and that is cultural rather than genetic. It is also based on the low form of English used which goes back to Webster dumbing down the language for the masses.

Do people of low intelligence engage in more risky behaviour or are they just less likely to avoid getting caught because of their low intelligence? I have done plenty of things in my life that could have put me in prison but I avoided it by luck more than stealth. Then again a person I knew robbed a post office and was recognised because it was his local one and the police found the money under his bed. He was thick but took less drugs than me.

>>17212
There's always exceptions, I've known some people who casually smoke pot every now and then, or even do things like mushrooms and cocaine, and are otherwise intelligent people who are generally OK to be around. However most of the drug users I've met in my life range from being useless morons who can barely hold a conversation about anything other than Pink Floyd, to honest to God criminals who scam and steal for a living because they can't be bothered to work, and to make matters worse have all sorts of pseudo-intellectual philosophical and political justifications for what they do. Incidentally the latter group of people I'm talking about tend to be fans of Chomsky and similar meme philosophers.

The gateway drug theory is bullshit, but my point was more that marijuana is harmful on its own, not that it leads to harder drugs. My assertion is that marijuana is harmful to society overall and has no apparent benefits other than the mild false euphoria it induces. The fact that it helps some people "unwind" is not alone justification for allowing it to be produced and sold legally.

Since the topic of the thread is legalization, I guess I'll clarify that if it were up to me, I'm fine with decriminalizing use and possession of under an ounce. However, I would impose drastically steeper penalties for selling and possession of large quantities, particularly at the street level. Get caught with more than an ounce and the DA can prove intent to distribute? 20 year minimum sentence, no parole. Not even joking.

I was interested about drugs contra-indicated by race. In my BNF I looked up dexamfetamine sulfate the closest I could think of as meth-amphetamine. No contra but I found this article.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1687161/

>>17237
Nothing quick on hand, I just checked my bookshelf quickly and I'm pretty sure those books are in storage.. I moved a couple months ago and am still getting organized. But I do know that specifically Chomsky's positions on 9/11, the ME, and radical Islam in general have been highly inconsistent. That is obviously more recent and may be easier for you to find with a quick search.

>Americans have a lower average IQ than the rest of the world
Looking at the average IQ of America as a whole is pretty pointless because we are comprised of so many different ethnic groups. But, as far as I know, IQ scores for white Americans are highly comparable to IQ scores of Europeans, IQ scores of Japanese Americans are comparable to IQ scores of Japanese in Japan, ect.. The only discrepancy I actually know of is between American blacks and Africans. American blacks tend score about 7-8 points higher on average.

>subjective examples
That experience may very well be true but when you are discussing things like this you can really only rely on wide-sweeping statistics and generalizations, as there will always be examples that can be cherry-picked from personal experiences.

I like this.
>Follow-up was planned for 18 months, but the study was stopped early (mean duration of follow-up, 10 months) because of excess mortality in the placebo group

>>11308

im completely (for the most part) fine with LSD, DMT, and other similar psychedelics.

as for other recreational drugs, i think weed cant do much more harm than alcohol does, tobacco is fine but it needs to be more regulated so people arent smoking all those chemicals.
Other drugs like cocaine, meth etc should be reserved for government usage, essentially making them illegal except for studies approved by the government.

>>17243
I agree my life experience are my own but generalisations are just as bad. I do not mind someone using statistics to prove there case but they do need to include the raw data. So many % stats come down to a small group testing and a bias by the experimenter or statistician. A study I was reading the other day about doubling the amount of fruit in you diet helping. Took 10 thousand plus bits of data but through different assumption ended up with 57 actual data points for their conclusion. That type of reduction has to be questioned. Same with IQ test which I discount immediately as they work on averages for the scoring method. Japan come out high but that might be because the test is tailored for Japanese people and in reality the make up of Japanese society is 95% plus Japanese very much different to US or Europe. Japanese children are taught mainly through rote method and would practice test after test before they took the final exam. Not matter what people say it is possible to improve your score in an IQ type test. The Japanese appear high but talk to them in person and you start wondering.

>>17247
I agree that the IQ test has its flaws, but as of right now it is the best metric we have to measure potential for success in a post-industrial, technology driven society.

>>17246
The is a caveat with weed. Wet weed where they mix it with pcp to improve its quality of high does fuck people up. A Japanese man went of killing rampage and the news said it was because of weed but considering the laws in Japan are strict it is very likely what he took was spiked especially because of his psychotic reaction. I like DMT but when I hear the stories about other peoples reactions I think they are somewhat poetic.