The 1561 celestial phenomenon over Nuremberg may have been a close encounter
of the third kind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1561_celestial_phenomenon_over_Nuremberg
The text of the broadsheet can be translated as giving the following description of the event:
"In the morning of April 14, 1561, at daybreak, between 4 and 5 a.m., a dreadful apparition occurred on the sun, and then this was seen in Nuremberg in the city, before the gates and in the country – by many men and women. At first there appeared in the middle of the sun two blood-red semi-circular arcs, just like the moon in its last quarter. And in the sun, above and below and on both sides, the color was blood, there stood a round ball of partly dull, partly black ferrous color. Likewise there stood on both sides and as a torus about the sun such blood-red ones and other balls in large number, about three in a line and four in a square, also some alone. In between these globes there were visible a few blood-red crosses, between which there were blood-red strips, becoming thicker to the rear and in the front malleable like the rods of reed-grass, which were intermingled, among them two big rods, one on the right, the other to the left, and within the small and big rods there were three, also four and more globes. These all started to fight among themselves, so that the globes, which were first in the sun, flew out to the ones standing on both sides, thereafter, the globes standing outside the sun, in the small and large rods, flew into the sun. Besides the globes flew back and forth among themselves and fought vehemently with each other for over an hour. And when the conflict in and again out of the sun was most intense, they became fatigued to such an extent that they all, as said above, fell from the sun down upon the earth ‘as if they all burned’ and they then wasted away on the earth with immense smoke. After all this there was something like a black spear, very long and thick, sighted; the shaft pointed to the east, the point pointed west. Whatever such signs mean, God alone knows. Although we have seen, shortly one after another, many kinds of signs on the heaven, which are sent to us by the almighty God, to bring us to repentance, we still are, unfortunately, so ungrateful that we despise such high signs and miracles of God. Or we speak of them with ridicule and discard them to the wind, in order that God may send us a frightening punishment on account of our ungratefulness. After all, the God-fearing will by no means discard these signs, but will take it to heart as a warning of their merciful Father in heaven, will mend their lives and faithfully beg God, that He may avert His wrath, including the well-deserved punishment, on us, so that we may temporarily here and perpetually there, live as his children. For it, may God grant us his help, Amen. By Hanns Glaser, letter-painter of Nurnberg."
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>>101585
>close encounter of the third kind.
"Close Encounters of the Third Kind: in these cases the presence of 'occupants' in or about the UFO is reported." -- Hynek.
At best this is a CE2 assuming the crashed objects left traces. If not it is a CE1 if they were seen at close range. Also questionable.
We will never know what the phenomena was, both space and nature can produce dramatic effects, including at the same time. The account blames God, and you are suggesting ETs. Both is just guesswork, and there is more evidence for spirits than for ETs.
You could have both a comet break up and a flight of birds occurring at the same time and because you are looking into the sun both will seem black and distance hard to judge. Finally we don't know if the art work is artistic based on the story or an eye witness drawing. So the art might be dismissable.
These might be better evidence:
840AD : Agobard, Archbishop of Lyons, wrote of witnessing the execution of three men and one woman who had been captured when they left‘‘ships that had come from the clouds.” The strangers had been apprehended as they were trading for food with local peasants Church officials kept the aliens in chains for three days before they allowed the populace to stone them as demons. – Meeting Aliens by Brad Steiger (1978)
1034AD : The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Chronicle of 1493 has mention of pic #1 from 1034.
1200s : Cloena Borough .. at church hearing mass, an anchor was dropped from the sky as if thrown from a ship, for a rope was attached to it, and one of the flukes of the anchor became caught in the arch above the door. .. They saw a ship with men aboard floating before the anchor cable, and they saw a man leap overboard and dive down to the anchor as it to release it. When he came down to the anchor he tried to loosen it, but the people rushed up and seized him. The Bishop was present when this occurred and forbade his people to hold the man, for he said it might prove fatal as when one is held under water. As soon as the‘l man was released he hurried up to the ship; when he was up, the crew cut the rope and the ship sailed away out of sight. – Metting Aliens by Brad Steiger (1978) ← Albert B. Holland appeared in the March 1958 issue of Fate ← King’s Mirror (old Norse, 13th Century).
1207 : In Otto Imperiaiia, Book One, Chapter Eighteen,. Gervase of Tilbury writes of an aerial ship which caught its “anchor“ in a pile of stones near the city of Bristol around A.D. 1207. When an occupant emerged from the ship to free it, he found himself immediately surrounded by curious citizens. Although the visitor accomplished his task, he seemed suddenly to become asphyxiated by the atmosphere and fell, dying and gasping, to the ground. – Metting Aliens by Brad Steiger (1978)
1322 : “In the first hour of the night of November 4 there was seen in the sky over Uxbridge, England a pillar of fire the size of a small boat, pallid and livid in colour. It rose from the south, crossed the sky with slow and grave motions, and went north. Out of the front of the pillar, a fervent red flame burst forth with great beams of light. Its speed increased, and it flew through the air.” – UFOs and Aliens Preston Dennett (2008)
1461 : Arras, France: Hovering object, Jacques Duclercq, legal adviser to Philippe III, writes: “On this day of Our Lord, All Saints Day, there appeared in the sky an object as bright as burning steel, as long and wide as half of the moon. It was stationary for fifteen minutes. Suddenly, the strange object began to spiral upwards and then it spun around and rolled over like a loose watch spring, after which it disappeared in the sky.” – Wonders in the Sky by Vallee (2009)
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None of this proves they are mechanical vessels from stellar civilisations. Some of them even have anchors! It would seem people were using air ships in 840AD (700 years earlier!) before superstitious humans killed them!
>close encounter of the third kind.
"Close Encounters of the Third Kind: in these cases the presence of 'occupants' in or about the UFO is reported." -- Hynek.
At best this is a CE2 assuming the crashed objects left traces. If not it is a CE1 if they were seen at close range. Also questionable.
We will never know what the phenomena was, both space and nature can produce dramatic effects, including at the same time. The account blames God, and you are suggesting ETs. Both is just guesswork, and there is more evidence for spirits than for ETs.
You could have both a comet break up and a flight of birds occurring at the same time and because you are looking into the sun both will seem black and distance hard to judge. Finally we don't know if the art work is artistic based on the story or an eye witness drawing. So the art might be dismissable.
These might be better evidence:
840AD : Agobard, Archbishop of Lyons, wrote of witnessing the execution of three men and one woman who had been captured when they left‘‘ships that had come from the clouds.” The strangers had been apprehended as they were trading for food with local peasants Church officials kept the aliens in chains for three days before they allowed the populace to stone them as demons. – Meeting Aliens by Brad Steiger (1978)
1034AD : The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Chronicle of 1493 has mention of pic #1 from 1034.
1200s : Cloena Borough .. at church hearing mass, an anchor was dropped from the sky as if thrown from a ship, for a rope was attached to it, and one of the flukes of the anchor became caught in the arch above the door. .. They saw a ship with men aboard floating before the anchor cable, and they saw a man leap overboard and dive down to the anchor as it to release it. When he came down to the anchor he tried to loosen it, but the people rushed up and seized him. The Bishop was present when this occurred and forbade his people to hold the man, for he said it might prove fatal as when one is held under water. As soon as the‘l man was released he hurried up to the ship; when he was up, the crew cut the rope and the ship sailed away out of sight. – Metting Aliens by Brad Steiger (1978) ← Albert B. Holland appeared in the March 1958 issue of Fate ← King’s Mirror (old Norse, 13th Century).
1207 : In Otto Imperiaiia, Book One, Chapter Eighteen,. Gervase of Tilbury writes of an aerial ship which caught its “anchor“ in a pile of stones near the city of Bristol around A.D. 1207. When an occupant emerged from the ship to free it, he found himself immediately surrounded by curious citizens. Although the visitor accomplished his task, he seemed suddenly to become asphyxiated by the atmosphere and fell, dying and gasping, to the ground. – Metting Aliens by Brad Steiger (1978)
1322 : “In the first hour of the night of November 4 there was seen in the sky over Uxbridge, England a pillar of fire the size of a small boat, pallid and livid in colour. It rose from the south, crossed the sky with slow and grave motions, and went north. Out of the front of the pillar, a fervent red flame burst forth with great beams of light. Its speed increased, and it flew through the air.” – UFOs and Aliens Preston Dennett (2008)
1461 : Arras, France: Hovering object, Jacques Duclercq, legal adviser to Philippe III, writes: “On this day of Our Lord, All Saints Day, there appeared in the sky an object as bright as burning steel, as long and wide as half of the moon. It was stationary for fifteen minutes. Suddenly, the strange object began to spiral upwards and then it spun around and rolled over like a loose watch spring, after which it disappeared in the sky.” – Wonders in the Sky by Vallee (2009)
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None of this proves they are mechanical vessels from stellar civilisations. Some of them even have anchors! It would seem people were using air ships in 840AD (700 years earlier!) before superstitious humans killed them!
AYY LMAO
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I’m going be asshole even though I find this interesting but should this be on /VX/
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>>101701
Go there! Go to /VX/ now!
#being bullied by Virl Anon. Or is it me whom is bullying him
P.S. I made a Thread there.
Go there! Go to /VX/ now!
#being bullied by Virl Anon. Or is it me whom is bullying him
P.S. I made a Thread there.
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look at this rock its called al naslaa.
Can somebody tell me how this happened?
Cause is sure wasn't the Arabs.
>O yeah it was uhh it was... they used a big saw.
Can somebody tell me how this happened?
Cause is sure wasn't the Arabs.
>O yeah it was uhh it was... they used a big saw.
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>>101597
hold on I'll think of some think To say...
>These might be better evidence:
You obviously are better read in the subject matter than me. Why is it then that you insist that "Alien" haven't landed hither many times ere? I'm just speculated and gathered the evidence I could over at /VX/. Wherefore do you discredit me so?
hold on I'll think of some think To say...
>These might be better evidence:
You obviously are better read in the subject matter than me. Why is it then that you insist that "Alien" haven't landed hither many times ere? I'm just speculated and gathered the evidence I could over at /VX/. Wherefore do you discredit me so?
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>>102447
>multi-dimensional demons
Demons ei. But they are non-corporal are they not? How can they manipulate matter to this >>102440 extent?
Are you devote christian?
>in the past!
Why have they left all of a sudden?
Why are you ruling out Aliens and Than jumping to even more dare I say absurd explanation?
I don't disbelieve in genies but I don't think they can build structures or do that to a rock. Convince me otherwise
>multi-dimensional demons
Demons ei. But they are non-corporal are they not? How can they manipulate matter to this >>102440 extent?
Are you devote christian?
>in the past!
Why have they left all of a sudden?
Why are you ruling out Aliens and Than jumping to even more dare I say absurd explanation?
I don't disbelieve in genies but I don't think they can build structures or do that to a rock. Convince me otherwise
>>102448
>Why is it then that you insist that "Alien" haven't landed hither many times ere?
I don't insist that they haven't. I see no evidence for it. A slight difference. I am not closed minded, but nor do I beLIEve.
I follow the evidence gathered from my "better read in the subject matter" and when it is aligned with human technology and conspiracies it matches well, too well. I already directed you to two books that are very good at showing this. I already know gov's manipulate the population. All the thing I know can explain the UFO/alien phenomena as a human agenda. I am actively looking for cases that don't, I have not found one yet.
Where were the flying saucers in 1897? Why were they airships instead? How do you travel between the stars on an airship? The Army Signal Corps. blamed the crash of an airship on Martians in 1897! Read the news clipping here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora,_Texas,_UFO_incident
If you were born then you would see it as evidence of Martians, I assume you know airships don't work in space? Why wouldn't the same scam be done today to cover up advanced technology?
>I'm just speculated and gathered the evidence I could over at /VX/. Wherefore do you discredit me so?
>speculated
>discredit
What did you expect from a serious researcher?
What did you expect when you called him out specifically?
You were having fun, fun is the opposite of serious. I treat this subject seriously. Fun is often at the expense of someone else, did you think I would not put the cost back on you?
>Why is it then that you insist that "Alien" haven't landed hither many times ere?
I don't insist that they haven't. I see no evidence for it. A slight difference. I am not closed minded, but nor do I beLIEve.
I follow the evidence gathered from my "better read in the subject matter" and when it is aligned with human technology and conspiracies it matches well, too well. I already directed you to two books that are very good at showing this. I already know gov's manipulate the population. All the thing I know can explain the UFO/alien phenomena as a human agenda. I am actively looking for cases that don't, I have not found one yet.
Where were the flying saucers in 1897? Why were they airships instead? How do you travel between the stars on an airship? The Army Signal Corps. blamed the crash of an airship on Martians in 1897! Read the news clipping here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora,_Texas,_UFO_incident
If you were born then you would see it as evidence of Martians, I assume you know airships don't work in space? Why wouldn't the same scam be done today to cover up advanced technology?
>I'm just speculated and gathered the evidence I could over at /VX/. Wherefore do you discredit me so?
>speculated
>discredit
What did you expect from a serious researcher?
What did you expect when you called him out specifically?
You were having fun, fun is the opposite of serious. I treat this subject seriously. Fun is often at the expense of someone else, did you think I would not put the cost back on you?
>>102455
>You were having fun, fun is the opposite of serious. I treat this subject seriously.
If your not having fun then your not doing is right.
>What did you expect when you called him out specifically?
More fun. You were the only one to comment, that too
>Fun is often at the expense of someone else
not if its proper fun lad, not at the expense of others. Like playing cards for instance. Listen you're a clever man but I know quibble when I see it. If I was wrong I would tell you straight.
>You were having fun, fun is the opposite of serious. I treat this subject seriously.
If your not having fun then your not doing is right.
>What did you expect when you called him out specifically?
More fun. You were the only one to comment, that too
>Fun is often at the expense of someone else
not if its proper fun lad, not at the expense of others. Like playing cards for instance. Listen you're a clever man but I know quibble when I see it. If I was wrong I would tell you straight.
>>102454
I was trying to show that we can all just make up explanations by blaming demons, aliens, etc.
We have a split rock, I am quite sure nature can split a rock. It should be investigated. Perhaps that is a extremely old wall? I would love to have an answer. We need to be humble when searching for answers, we need to be open to good evidence. When we don't know we need to leave a gap in our mind, we should not fill up our mind with guesses. When we fill up our head with beliefs we become emotionally addicted to being right and loose our objectivity. Humility is important.
It was space demons!! See pic!
I was trying to show that we can all just make up explanations by blaming demons, aliens, etc.
We have a split rock, I am quite sure nature can split a rock. It should be investigated. Perhaps that is a extremely old wall? I would love to have an answer. We need to be humble when searching for answers, we need to be open to good evidence. When we don't know we need to leave a gap in our mind, we should not fill up our mind with guesses. When we fill up our head with beliefs we become emotionally addicted to being right and loose our objectivity. Humility is important.
It was space demons!! See pic!
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>>102465
The starchild skull had dna test done on it.
for Pete's sake you've completely ignored my evidence. What say you in thy defense?!
The starchild skull had dna test done on it.
for Pete's sake you've completely ignored my evidence. What say you in thy defense?!
>>102469
earthlings share DNA, fruit flies share 60% of their DNA with us.
> completely ignored my evidence.
guilty as charged, just watch the video matey its not hare come on!
earthlings share DNA, fruit flies share 60% of their DNA with us.
> completely ignored my evidence.
guilty as charged, just watch the video matey its not hare come on!
>>102468
You'll love this book.
https://www.amazon.com/Hair-Alien-Forensic-Evidence-Abductions/dp/0743492862
You'll love this book.
https://www.amazon.com/Hair-Alien-Forensic-Evidence-Abductions/dp/0743492862
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>>102454
What if the fallen angels were neanderthals? Both stories have them interbreeding. >>>/vx/42104 → What if the flood was the ocean rise at the end of the ice age? What if the Garden of Eden was destroyed by changes in the environment, like seas rising?
What if the fallen angels were neanderthals? Both stories have them interbreeding. >>>/vx/42104 → What if the flood was the ocean rise at the end of the ice age? What if the Garden of Eden was destroyed by changes in the environment, like seas rising?
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>>102440
Vril thinks God spite this rock? https://mlpol.net/vx/res/41383.html#q42205
What do you think?
Vril thinks God spite this rock? https://mlpol.net/vx/res/41383.html#q42205
What do you think?
>>103297
Hey man I would just like to see some different perspective tis all.
I mean no one except for you and me are interested why do I even bother?
Hey man I would just like to see some different perspective tis all.
I mean no one except for you and me are interested why do I even bother?
I'd rather talk about how Vril anon is a faggot
^:)
As far as the rock goes it was definitely done by crab people
Only they have the tools needed to make such a precise cut through stone without human intervention
That or the Lizard people, but they've been exiled for millennia so I doubt it was them
^:)
As far as the rock goes it was definitely done by crab people
Only they have the tools needed to make such a precise cut through stone without human intervention
That or the Lizard people, but they've been exiled for millennia so I doubt it was them
>>103301
I think it might be the deros. They mind rays that affect people, so I expect they have rock rays too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Sharpe_Shaver#The_Shaver_Mystery
I think it might be the deros. They mind rays that affect people, so I expect they have rock rays too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Sharpe_Shaver#The_Shaver_Mystery
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>>103301
The point is that this >>102440
implies high technological capability is all. How is it that the people of yore did this? And if ancient man did this, why don't we know how to do this today?
The people of the local area are barbarous sex-mad imbecile, Did we devolve?
Now one can hypothesize that different beings did this, but whom, for what, from where did they come form?
And Aliens Is a valid hypothesis.
Another hypothesis is that the agarthans did this.
The point is that this >>102440
implies high technological capability is all. How is it that the people of yore did this? And if ancient man did this, why don't we know how to do this today?
The people of the local area are barbarous sex-mad imbecile, Did we devolve?
Now one can hypothesize that different beings did this, but whom, for what, from where did they come form?
And Aliens Is a valid hypothesis.
Another hypothesis is that the agarthans did this.
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>>102455
What did you expect from a serious researcher?
I am interested in uncovering the actual reality.
I am serious.
>What did you expect from a serious researcher?
Not to evade my point.
>You were having fun, fun is the opposite of serious.
The fun is a sign of love in the thing that one is doing.
What did you expect from a serious researcher?
I am interested in uncovering the actual reality.
I am serious.
>What did you expect from a serious researcher?
Not to evade my point.
>You were having fun, fun is the opposite of serious.
The fun is a sign of love in the thing that one is doing.
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>>104009
>Did we devolve?
I believe so. Between 110,000 – 11,700 years ago was the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_glacial_period . I expect this set back what ever civilization we had 110K ya. We re-emerged when the ice receded about 12-9K years ago, and start civilization about then with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe . This is what the scriptures are about. Our re-emergence and some of what ever remains of the prior warm period 100K years ago.
Source of image: http://www.snouts-in-the-trough.com/archives/5194
So it seems we have islands of warmth that induce civilization and then it gets trashed by ice ages. Some of the mysteries could come from past warm period civilizations.
Enjoy the warth while it lasts.
>Did we devolve?
I believe so. Between 110,000 – 11,700 years ago was the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_glacial_period . I expect this set back what ever civilization we had 110K ya. We re-emerged when the ice receded about 12-9K years ago, and start civilization about then with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe . This is what the scriptures are about. Our re-emergence and some of what ever remains of the prior warm period 100K years ago.
Source of image: http://www.snouts-in-the-trough.com/archives/5194
So it seems we have islands of warmth that induce civilization and then it gets trashed by ice ages. Some of the mysteries could come from past warm period civilizations.
Enjoy the warth while it lasts.
>>104170
Martin Armstrong, the cycles guy, believes cooling is coming. My understanding at the moment is... the suns output is dropping into an extended minimum which can be seen by the drop in sun spots. The Earth surface cools and contracts, this allows magma to rise. This melts ice in the poles and increases the rise of magma generally. When things warm up again the magma is squeezed out causing volcanoes and ash in the atmosphere. This blocks the sun light and reflects it, maybe this is what the wobbles in temperature is before recovery.
I don't think any really knows the full story yet but there are a bunch of feed back loops that confuse having a simplistic view. Melting ice can be because of magma not atmosphere temp for example.
Here is a bunch of MA blog posts:
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/tag/climate-change/
Another factor is pole reversal which happened 780,000 years ago (and apparently a minor one 41K ago) and happens on average 450,000 years, meaning we are due for one between today and the next 200,000 years. It also might induce volcanoes and then cooling. There is debate about how devastating they are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal#Effects_on_biosphere
Martin Armstrong, the cycles guy, believes cooling is coming. My understanding at the moment is... the suns output is dropping into an extended minimum which can be seen by the drop in sun spots. The Earth surface cools and contracts, this allows magma to rise. This melts ice in the poles and increases the rise of magma generally. When things warm up again the magma is squeezed out causing volcanoes and ash in the atmosphere. This blocks the sun light and reflects it, maybe this is what the wobbles in temperature is before recovery.
I don't think any really knows the full story yet but there are a bunch of feed back loops that confuse having a simplistic view. Melting ice can be because of magma not atmosphere temp for example.
Here is a bunch of MA blog posts:
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/tag/climate-change/
Another factor is pole reversal which happened 780,000 years ago (and apparently a minor one 41K ago) and happens on average 450,000 years, meaning we are due for one between today and the next 200,000 years. It also might induce volcanoes and then cooling. There is debate about how devastating they are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal#Effects_on_biosphere
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