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7b706 No.750[View All]

This post is inspired by >>>/mlpol/59382.

I have been researching UFOs and aliens for decades. I have found the best way to understand the phenomena is to time-line it and then see what else was happening around the same time. Time-lining it allows the evolution & origin of certain aspects to show up which means you can trace things back to origin points.

I don't concern myself with if each UFO/alien report is real or not real, but I look at it in a wide ranging meta-view and this shows a sensible evolution which implies it is real and therefore the reports are generally mostly real.

I am not sure what the best way is to do this data dump. I have decided to do a succinct 300 year history which can be expanded on by me asking questions. This allows me to keep my efforts in proportion to actual board interest levels.

This initial section is to show the development of human sky technology and also shows that nothing ET UFO like is happening yet.

1758 - Book: Concerning Earths in the Solar System, in which Emanuel Swedenborg detailed his alleged journeys (spiritual) to the inhabited planets (up to Saturn + 5 exo-planets), solar system barrier, suns are black.
1783 - France: Manned balloons
1803 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utsuro-bune
1850 - and onwards triangular shapes are reported in the sky but when researched most of these can be associated with comets and comet fragments (comets tend to break up near Earth, Sun and Jupiter into sharp angular fragments).
1851 - Dr. William Bland sent design: steam engine driving twin propellers suspended under airship to Great Exhibition, London
1852 - Comet fragment dramatically crashes to Earth with sheets of rain (comet water) and dark ominous clouds with read streaks before the massive chunk crashes into the English channel. The other interesting part about this is that it happens near dawn, and the dawn side of the Earth is in the direction of the Earth's travel around the sun. So the Earth overran this comet fragment and sucked it down into it. This dramatically shows how astronomical phenomena can produce UFO reports. Pic #1 Attached.
1863 - “Aereon” by Solomon Andrews (inventor) flew, unpowered, controllable dirigible,Perth Amboy, New Jersey.
1871 - Mystery airship, Mt. Washington, New Hampshire (Solomon Andrews?) See Pic #2. This is one of the earliest UFO reports and we can see it is consistent with an airship. We have no reason to conclude it is ET yet.
1871 - (Vril, the Power of) The Comming Race fiction novel by Edward Bulwer-Lytton. This book in Germany inspires the use of the term Vril for unknown magical/physical forces and leads to the nick name The Vril Society.
1881 - a comet was mistaken as an unusual object in the sky. See pic #3.
1886 - Book: A Dweller on Two Planets, Atlantis, life on Venus, advanced technology, karma, Mt. Shasta. “No telescope will ever reveal human life on Venus; not that it is not there, but its forms are of the One Substance effected by a range of force rendering them imperceptible to earthly eyes." – what we see here is the myth of sentient life on other planets in our solar system starting to form. There is no reason to reject this notion at that time.
1886 - cheap way to manufacture aluminium is discovered. At this point airships are flying around, some are secret projects. They use bamboo and cloth and ropes. Cheap aluminium allows them to be made of this metal. France is becoming a leader in airship design. You can think of these airships as the B2 bomber of the day, these are very serious military tech for spying and air to ground attack. Therefore there is secrecy around designs as well.
1891 - Contactee Thomas Blott (William Simpson, 1828-1910) The Man from Mars is a book about a Martian explaining how Mars is great and Earth sux, basically. It is not clear if this was supposed to be fiction or a reported event.
1893 - In the article “Man of the Year Million”, H. G. Wells envisaged humanity transformed into a race of grey-skinned beings, stunted and with big heads. – the greys!!

So with that look so far we can see many of the elements of aliens and UFOs exist but there are no reports yet of flying saucers or any meaningful reports of flying triangles under intelligent control. All of it, when it comes to ETs, is human imagination. We can reasonably say no ETs are showing up in this 1700s-1800s time period.

In 1893 science starts to speculate about gravity and if we can understand it better and control it.

1893 - Oliver Heaviside makes paper called A GRAVITATIONAL AND ELECTROMAGNETIC ANALOGY http://sergf.ru/Heavisid.htm – this will be very important as we continue the time lining.
1894 “Aug 26, British admiral reported sighting a large disk with a projection like a tail” – Keyhoe (1950) – Airship? Science experiment? There are no good references for this report and so it can't be examined further.
1896 - Germany 11 Sep, Zagreb daily newspaper Obzor “The day before yesterday we received a telegram sent by an amateur journalist. He informed us that David Schwarz from Zagreb has invented an [aluminium] airship which he hopes he could direct on his own free will."
1896 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_airship – this is the UFO flap of 1896-97 but they were airships, not disks, triangles or spacecraft. We know that airships won't work in space so these are human-made. This shows that human advanced tech can be a unsolved mystery. See pics #4 and #5

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7b706 No.67390

I'd like to see that mercury experiment done with the different mercury isotopes isolated. Mercury has 7 stable isotopes and one which has a half-life of 444 years. I'd like to see the same experiment with each isotope isolated to see if the rotation seen correlates with rotating nuclei. A rotating nuclei would make the nucleus a subatomic magnet.

bf0f5 No.67391

i suspect the Die Glocke operated in a similar way to the Mercury experiment.

7b706 No.67392

File: 1540765580259-0.jpg (322.24 KB, 1388x842, scalar_device.jpg)

File: 1540765580259-1.jpg (116.81 KB, 733x1429, red-mercury.jpg)

>…minus 200 Celcius…
>…Mercury Isotope 203…
Pic#1 from 4chan. No source.

>203Hg , half life = 46.595(6) days, nuclear spin = 5/2−

Good balance of nuclear spin vs half life. (Better is 93Nb = Stable, 9/2+)

>Red mercury is a compound of mercury, antimony and oxygen having the chemical formula of Hg2SB207 (Pic#2) . At room temperature and pressure it is a powder. It is red in color. But it seems that there is more to red mercury is not a simple chemical combination.

>Legend has it that once chemically concocted; red mercury is put into a nuclear reactor for a period of time in order to charge up. During this charging up process while undergoing neutron bombardment in the reactor, the red mercury powder changes into a thick liquid.
- Hitlers Suppressed and Still-Secret Weapons, Science and Technology by Henry Stevens (2007)

Minus 200 Celsius (aka 73Kelvin) is not low enough but helium can reach -269C (4K) which is enough for Mercury superconductivity at 4.2Kelvin. Liquid Helium is available in 1908.

They add additives to keep it from solidifying probably because they need it to swirl in a circular pattern while under magnetic field influence to align the nuclear spin axis in the direction of the swirl. This then causes the gravito-magnetic moment of each nuclei to be compounded with all of it's neighbours along the swirl, this rotation around in the horizontal plane (the swirl) converts the gravito-magnetic field into a gravito-electric field up through the centre of the swirling mercury, which is artificial gravity.

The reason for the cooling is the remove thermal jitters from the atomic nuclei so they can all align in the same direction without jostling about.

The atomic nuclei would produce there own magnetic field, because they are now not jittering about they are aligned magnetically they would produce a large macroscopic magnetic field. Through the middle of a ring a large electric field would also exist. Because mass is also a type of charge, the rotation of the nuclei mass produces a gravito-magnetic field also. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitoelectromagnetism ) EMF and the gravito-electromagnetic field, would be powered by nuclear rotation. The nuclear rotation is powered by an imbalance in the collective rotations of the quarks that make up the neutron and protons of the mercury nuclei.

If you extract from these self generated fields then energy needs to be removed from those quark rotations but since those quarks aren't going to slow down, the speed is fixed (quantum physics), then the only place to extract energy from is their passage through time. Therefore in proximity to this device while extracting energy from it time distortions should occur.

>According to the SS man, Hitler had a hidden facility in the mountains of the Harz region. There, deep under a mountain Hitler had constructed a time machine. Unfortunately, this machine was no longer accessable from the surface.

- Hitlers Suppressed and Still-Secret Weapons, Science and Technology by Henry Stevens (2007)

> “If the superconductors are rotated considerably faster than the 5,000- rpm speeds I've been mainly using until now, perhaps five to ten times as fast, the disc experiences so much weight loss that it actually takes off.” “Have you experimented?” I asked. “Yes,” he said meaningfully, “with interesting results.” It was then that I asked him if he had heard of Viktor Schauberger. It kind of came from nowhere but in actual fact it wasn't such a wild shot in the dark. There was something incredibly familiar about those rotation speeds. Schauberger had been generating a lévitation effect using rotational velocities of 15-20,000 rpm. If these were rapid enough to produce a usable torsion field, no wonder Podkletnov had been getting “interesting results” from 25-50,000 rpm. Podkletnov weighed his response before replying. “You should understand that I come from a family of academics,” he said after a long moment of reflection. “Both my father and grandfather were scientists. Shortly after the war, my father came to acquire a set of Schauberger's papers. Some time later, when I was old enough to understand them, he showed them to me.”

– The Hunt for Zero Point Nick Cook (2001)

The common ground here isn't that it is mercury but that atomic nuclei rotation aligned by supercooling allows the production of macroscopic electromagnetic and gravito-electromagnetic fields. A gravito-electric field is what we call gravity. There are three methods of invoking this, magnetic fields, pressure and/or supercooling.

See also: http://igorwitkowski.com/The-German-approach-to-antigravity.pdf

7b706 No.67393

7b706 No.67395

File: 1540960398023-0.pdf (211.62 KB, History_of_California_oil ….pdf)

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Autism go!

I have been been examining deeper the Dellschau airship possibilities. It is looking viable.
California has people experimenting with balloons in the 1853. See Pics. California also had very easy access to oil from the ground. You could dig a hole in some cases and collect the oil that flowed out. These were called seeps, short for seepage. Delschau makes references to "suppe". Suppe is German and means soup. I am not sure if he is playing with words here.

These seeps have been used as a resource for a long time.
>When the Spanish explorers landed in California in the 1500s, they found Indians gathering asphaltum (very thick oil) from natural seeps.

>As early as 1849, travelers moving along the route used the seeps, pausing to lubricate their wagon wheels with oil.

>In 1854, oil was collected from seeps and excavations at Sulphur Mountain, in Ventura County, and refined in stills for home use. Complete records of the operations are not available, but it is reported that as early as 1856, a company organized in San Francisco began working the tar pits at La Brea Ranch, near Los Angeles, distilling some oil.
See PDF.

Asphalt has another name, bitumen. And in German the name can be "Naturbitumen".

Since Dellschau is from Prussia this could be the meaning of NB. Which takes us to "NB Gas". One very efficient flamable gas you can make from oil is "oil pyrolytic gas". This gas has the highest BTU yeilds. It makes sense to use it on an airship where weight is a concern.
>Initial experiments in 1817–1825, which were failures; began to be used widely in 1860s. Simpler, much less labor-intensive manufacturing process. Oil very expensive feedstock compared to coal; prices (and illuminous efficacy per ft3) double to triple that of regular coal gas.

Since the oil is almost cost free from the ground in California, they could have made this very efficient gas very cheaply, perhaps even in secret. They then feed it into the Matteucci-Barsanti engine on the airship and run the propeller(s) and the vacuum chamber. It is stated that when the NB gas secret holder died the secret was lost until 7 years later ( https://www.houstonpress.com/news/secrets-of-the-sonora-aero-club-6567727 ). Perhaps this is when "oil pyrolytic gas" became more commonly available in the 1860s.

TL;DR nothing in the story so far seems impossible and it is cutting edge. California is a good place to test a secret combusion-engine airships.

Also a horse went up in an airship in 1855

7b706 No.67396

File: 1540960468798-0.jpg (368.99 KB, 1920x1080, 1853-2.jpg)

Pic#2 fixed.

7b706 No.67403

File: 1541125466392-0.jpg (50.83 KB, 687x421, BARSANTI-MATTEUCCI-1854.jpg)

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I've been looking at Dellschau drawings to see if a Barsanti-Matteucci engine could be "seen" in the drawings.

Pic#1 is the engine from the 1854 patent from https://docplayer.biz.tr/4826435-Giris-1-distan-yanmali-motorlar-2-icten-yanmali-motorlar.html
Pic#2 is taken from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenio_Barsanti
Pic#3 is from http://www.shishigami.com/srfa/Charles_Dellschau_FINAL.pdf

It seems this shows an engine in the center driving the "vacuum chambers". Note that the drawing is called "Recolections second part, Otto Krause Idea", so it was not necessarily built.

bf0f5 No.67404

could you make one?

7b706 No.67408

File: 1541379487708-0.jpg (34.05 KB, 496x336, Dellschau-George Newells W….jpg)

File: 1541379487708-1.jpg (118.2 KB, 716x940, Dellschau-Otto Krauses Bat….jpg)

File: 1541379487708-2.jpg (129.99 KB, 953x771, Dellschau-Plate 1767 Aero ….jpg)

A whole craft? Are you paying?
Take a hollow ball. Cut it in half. Put a small electric motor in it with attached fins such that it isn't a helicopter. Close the ball, poke air holes above and below. Balance it on a scale. Turn it on and see if it rises.

There is another gas as a contender:
>Methane, the main component of natural gas, is sometimes used as a lift gas when hydrogen and helium are not available. It has the advantage of not leaking through balloon walls as rapidly as the smaller molecules of hydrogen and helium. However, methane is highly flammable and like hydrogen is not appropriate for use in passenger-carrying airships. It is also relatively dense and a potent greenhouse gas.

CH4, same atomic mass as water.
>Crude oil is a mixture of many hundreds of liquid hydrocarbons. Dissolved in it are many other hydrocarbons some of which are solids and some gases (the lower members of the alkane family, predominantly methane and ethane but often with some propane and butane).

It would be a fuel and a lifting gas. Hydrogen could also be extracted from the oil and is needed for the main balloon.

>San Francisco Gas

>In the 1850s, manufactured gas was introduced in the United States as a means of lighting. Gasworks were built in the larger eastern American cities, but there was no gas industry in the West, however. In San Francisco, street lighting was available only on Merchant Street, in the form of oil lamps.[9]:11[10]

>Three brothers—Peter, James, and Michael Donahue—became interested in gas manufacturing while running the foundry that later became Union Iron Works, the largest shipbuilding operation on the West Coast.[9]:11[11] Joseph G. Eastland, an engineer and clerk at the foundry, joined them in gathering as much information on gas making as they could find. In July 1852, James applied for and received from the Common Council of the City of San Francisco a franchise to erect a gasworks, lay pipes in the streets and install street lamps to light the city with "brilliant gas". The council specified that gas should be supplied to households "at such rates as will make it to their interest to use it in preference to any other material".[9]:11–12 The Donahue brothers and Eastland incorporated the San Francisco Gas Company on August 31, 1852, with $150,000 of authorized capital. The company became the first gas utility in the West. Its official seal bore the inscription "Fiat Lux"—let there be light—the same slogan later adopted by the University of California. There were 11 original stockholders, and the three Donahue brothers subscribed for 610 of the 1,500 shares.[9]:12

>The original location for the gas works was bounded by First, Fremont, Howard and Natoma streets south of Market, on the then shore of the San Francisco Bay. Work on the plant started in November, 1852, and it was ready for operation only a few months later. On the night of February 11, 1854, the streets of San Francisco were for the first time lighted by gas. To celebrate the event, the company held a gala banquet at the Oriental Hotel.[9]:13 Gas lighting quickly gained public favor. In the first year of operation, there were 237 customers. That number more than doubled the next year, to 563. By the end of 1855, the company had laid more than 6 ½ miles of pipe and 154 street lamps were in operation.[9]:15


The timing here is very interesting. It also, again, shows why California is the place to try internal combustion airships and sets the time frame to 1853 on wards (if we assume the NB gas is manufactured by a company) consistent with the club founding date.

>E.C. Jones, chief gas engineer of the San Francisco Gas Light Company (later the PG&E) developed this ingenious process to turn oil into a gas very similar to that produced by the pyrolysis of coal using a catalytic backflush of already produced gas and steam to provide a hydrogen atmosphere to stimulate disassociation of the oil with the minimal production of lampblack.

…this gas was made of…
>As distributed, contains 35 – 40% hydrogen (H2), 45% – 50% marsh gas (methane, CH4), and the balance of higher hydrocarbons and carbonic oxide (carbon monoxide, CO).
…making it good airship gas and fuel.

The ability to separate the CH4 from the H2 might be interesting. The CH4 might pool at the base and be recoverable or in a centrifuge it would move to the outside. This might be alluded to in pic#2 The outer chamber seems to be called the Secondary Lift Chamber. Presumably then the inner primary lift chamber would hold H2 and the outer CH4. You could run the CH4 through your engine to make a useful disposal of it. This makes your "balloon" also your fuel supply and so burning the heavier CH4 (first) makes sense. This is like removing ballast.

The drops of "water" are still confusing… unless the water vapor is to replace the CH4 in the secondary chamber as the CH4 is burned away by the engine. Perhaps this is needed to stop H2 being pulled into the engine when the CH4 runs out.

Pic#1 seems to be a simpler version of the same chamber. It seems to show color variations in the chamber. Implying different temperatures or gases? The wheel this time touches the chamber walls. There may be two outlets in the lower right, this might be for the CH4 to escape, meaning that blue is CH4 and red in H2. The CH4 is then bled off to the engine. This version has no "water" drops which suggests water isn't a primary component of what they are doing. Therefore water might be a type of sealant to try to avoid the small H2 atoms from escaping through the container casing. Pic#3 further supports the idea of separating two gases, again no drops.

bf0f5 No.67409

>Implying different temperatures or gases?
seem plausible.

7b706 No.67410

>lover right
should be lower left.

The words from pic#2

>Measure 4 x 4 over all

> h. x l
>doubeline(?) plane
>nearly circular inside glide keel
>Battery(?) 8 + 2 - 10
Why battery? It could be that it means, holds energy. Or the original meaning of battery means "a group of two or more similar objects functioning together" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_battery#Experiments ) so coupled with the numbers is it suggesting 8 + 2 units? (8 in the keel, 2 outside to stabilize?)

>Otto Krauses Batery

>Revolving Generator
>and Releaver
>simple chemical
>action basis
What chemical action? Why is it a generator? I don't see how this could be a rotary engine, and it is too early for them. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_engine#History )

Inside the chamber:
>Pressure Control
>Reservoir | Primary Lift Cupola ?????? | Reservoir
> 1858 | 1900
>Secondary Lift Chamber | Over Pressure escape | Sensitive Sponges | Secondary Lift Chamber
Is the reservoir water or the chemical reactant? Why are the sponges sensitive?

I suppose its time to read Dellschau's awfully hard to read text and locate a better quality pic#1 …

7b706 No.67411

File: 1541397380570.jpg (136.1 KB, 968x785, Dellschau-Lather Propospit….jpg)

Lather Propospitions W.H. Browns Sucker Kicker Principles Houston, Texas. ?? Sucker . Kicker Principles
of Perfect Airship.
Huston, Texas November 28, 1898. As a description of any invention of
an Balloon might interest the ??????. The balloon if ever built
should be composed of Aluminium Cigar Shaped, such balloons have been [note: 1854: industrial aluminum quantities avail.]
constructed, filled with gas, and made to ascend, but the motive Power
employed, to propell it was attached to the rear, and on the Outside, The
Propeller could only cleave or whirl the Air in a rotary or Whirlwind
motion, the Air escaping to each side and hear offered no resistance
to the Stroke(?) of the Propeller. From a natural Law, Action and Reaction
bein equal, the Balloon remains stationary. My idea and Invention
is to make a pipe two feet high and eighteen Inshes wide, said pipe running [comment: the "chamber" is actually a pipe and so not an engine or balloon or is this separate?]
central through the entire Length of the balloon open on both ends
to allow passage of air, plaining a rotary or revolving Fan in Coridor
of this square pipe and snuggly fitting of the lower halve of fan is
in this pipe, upper halve revolves in an air tight box. By doing so the
lower part of the fan only strikes the Air. The upper creating no reaction
then through mechanical force applied, cause the fan to rapidly revolve
at a high rate of speed say ??? 7300 ??? - Turns a Minute ( Fire and Friction )
We will have a current of Air passing through Pipe at a rate of 1000 miles
an hour, and this ??ift Sot?d Current (Continuous Kick) passing out at rear End
will cause the outside Air to bank and offer resistance. Gravity been(?)
overcome, and the balloon wheighing less as Air surrounding it H????t
moove forward, there can be no other Result.
and as you increase the speed
[covered up!!]ions the greather the Air resists. See other Side.

Helicopter airship???
/back to being confused.

7b706 No.67412

File: 1541403972014.jpg (534.26 KB, 1982x1342, Dellschau-George Newells W….jpg)

talks about making a enclosed series of fan to produce thrust.

Pic related is a rotary engine (without pistons) in 1850s????? I can't visualize how this works. Each of the eight compartments, divided by the eight blades don't seem to be sealed from each other when looking at the side profile. Why won't the ignited gas take the shortest path to the outlet on the lower right called "Automatic Press." Force is said to be clockwise. But if it rotates counter-clockwise who cares?! Is this an engine? The heated/burnt gas is also then a lifting gas, the exhausted heated gas can also be a bit like jet engine thrust. This is a hot gas balloon engine in one?!

The supplied fuel then can be a fluid like kerosene:

>Canadian geologist Abraham Gesner claimed that in 1846, he had given a public demonstration in Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island of a new process he had discovered.[note 1] He heated coal in a retort, and distilled from it a clear, thin fluid that he showed made an excellent lamp fuel. He coined the name "kerosene" for his fuel, a contraction of keroselaion, meaning wax-oil.[18] The cost of extracting kerosene from coal was high.

>Gesner recalled from his extensive knowledge of New Brunswick's geology a naturally occurring asphaltum called albertite. He was blocked from using it by the New Brunswick coal conglomerate because they had coal extraction rights for the province, and he lost a court case when their experts claimed albertite was a form of coal.[19] In 1854, Gesner moved to Newtown Creek, Long Island, New York. There, he secured backing from a group of businessmen. They formed the North American Gas Light Company, to which he assigned his patents.
>Despite clear priority of discovery, Gesner did not obtain his first kerosene patent until 1854, two years after James Young's United States patent.


So the timing is right.

7b706 No.67413

File: 1541406517242.jpg (58.69 KB, 762x524, Delschau-Recolections seco….jpg)

>I can't visualize how this works. Each of the eight compartments, divided by the eight blades don't seem to be sealed from each other when looking at the side profile. Why won't the ignited gas take the shortest path to the outlet on the lower right called "Automatic Press."

The hot gases want to rise to the top of the chamber. This might be enough to start the rotation clockwise. So the red represents heat and the blue cold. When these blow up that should be enough to throw some shredded body parts around ( >>67387 ). This might explain the water also… cooling.

"Spark Plugs":
> 1780s: The first electric spark ignition was probably Alessandro Volta's toy electric pistol from the 1780s.
> by 1859: Lenoir's experimentation with electricity led him to develop the first internal combustion engine which burned a mixture of coal gas and air ignited by a "jumping sparks" ignition system by Ruhmkorff coil,
> 1884: Siegfried Marcus patented his "Electrical igniting device for gas engines" on 7 October 1884.
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_coil#History

That's enough for today. But it looks like there is more than enough text from Dellschau to work out what was going on. I have barely scratched the surface. It is said he made thousands of these diagrams.

7b706 No.67414

Aircraft propellers were a problem up until the Wright Brothers in 1903. This is why that long text on propellers exists.

>The twisted aerofoil shape of modern aircraft propellers was pioneered by the Wright brothers. While some earlier engineers had attempted to model air propellers on marine propellers, the Wrights realized that a propeller is essentially the same as a wing, and were able to use data from their earlier wind tunnel experiments on wings. They also introduced a twist along the length of the blades. This was necessary to ensure the angle of attack of the blades was kept relatively constant along their length.


7b706 No.67417

1918 "Anti-gravity"? Quote:

Dr. Richard B. Spence (c) 2015

More to the point, who was John Randolph van Valkenburg? A Utah native, he
was a stone mason and tile setter with a well-established reputation as a tinkerer with
motors and other mechanical devices. He was a member of the Mormon Church, a
Freemason, and to all outward appearances a known and more-or-less respectable
member of the community. On 6 August Bone sent Bielaski a report on the interview.
Van Valkenburg had appeared at the local police station. Present at the questioning, in
addition to Agent Bone, were the chief of police, the chief of detectives and another
detective. Van Valkenburg, friendly and garrulous, eagerly explained that he had
discovered something that would “completely reverse the operation of gravity” and using
this had built a machine that could travel from Salt Lake to San Francisco in only 47
12 Besides buzzing along at 1,000 miles per hour, the machine could also remain
stationary in midair indefinitely. In fact, asserted van Valkenburg, there was no limit to
how fast or far it could travel. The “vital element,” he continued, was a “small controller
the size of a man’s hand.”13 This miniscule device somehow provided enough power to
carry virtually any weight under any conditions. The craft always remained level and
was unaffected by weather. Moreover, it required no wings, no engine, nor any fuel in a
conventional sense. Stability and propulsion depended on revolving “discs” which
“completely reverses the operation of gravity.”14 The revolving discs, which come up
repeatedly in the story, are an interesting detail because they echo a theme often found in
alleged anti-gravity devices such as Viktor Schauberger’s vortex powered Repulsin of the
1930s and 40s and in the later experiments of Henry Wallace and Evgeny Podkletnov.15
Whether the discs were part of the “controller” or something separate is never quite clear.
The craft could shoot up to 40,000 feet or more, invisibly and almost instantaneously. On
the way, claimed the inventor, one ascended through “seven different stratum of air” but
at the highest level entered an atmosphere “as on Earth but in a perfectly quiescent


7b706 No.67418

>1969 The Menil Foundation organize the exhibition "Flight" which includes for the first time ever the works of Charles Dellschau.

>Peter Navaro, a local graphic designer and UFO enthusiast sees the works at Menil and is immediately stuck by their possible connection to "The Great Texas Airship Mystery"

>Over the next few years, Navarro studies the works of Dellschau at both Menil and Washington's Trading Post and ultimately acquires all the remaining books and obsesses over them for the next 20 years. Pete Navaro compiles "The Book Of Dellschau", a 500 page compendium of observations of every known work by Charles Dellschau as well as 15 volumes of field notes on the works of Charles Dellschau.


Summary of SAC by Peter Navarro, the first and most thorough investigator:

The tragic case of Jacob Mischer and his Aero will serve to point to
the severity with which the rules of this secret society known as
NYMZA were enforced.

Jacob Mischer was the designer and builder of a rather large, or
medium-sized aircraft which was called the "Aero Flyerless Gander".
This airship was flown on a hundred mile trip and was successfully
landed on land and on water, for it had wheels as well as pontoons.

Jacob Mischer, however, met a most unfortunate end, for he became
greedy and desired to make a profit from his invention, intending to
use it for hauling material and equipment for the miners in the
area. This was looked upon by the headmasters of the secret society
as being strictly against the rules and, one way or another, Jacob
Mischer ended up dead when his ship was destroyed in a blinding
aerial explosion. Dellschau alludes to this incident as something
that was deliberate and NOT accidental.

The most successful of their aircraft, and probably the first to be
flown was Peter Mennis' "Aero Goosey", which was built in 1857 and
set the precendent for all subsequent Aero designs and, although
modifications were gradually added to new Aero designs, the Aero
Goosey continued to be flown as originally designed with only minor
changes and was the aircraft favored mostly by Peter Mennis for
short flights.

Peter Mennis ranged far and wide on several occasions, but he was
able to land and use his Aero as a place to spend the night, for it
was equipped with a canvas conver which served as a tent.

The original "Aero Goosey" was a small craft with a basket-type
affair in which the pilot and passengers sat at the bow and stern
ends of the airship. It carried a liquid fuel container in the
center of the craft and a gas converter under the seats. Attached
to the center pole was the air-pressure motor which was used to
propel the airship, and two gas bags were on the sides. It was a
very simply designed airship, and, despite all modifications and
improvements that were made upon this original model and its "motor"
design, the mode of operation and function of its internal workings
remained basically the same in all subsequent models with the
exception of size and appearance and the addition of useful
conveniences such as galleys, toilets, beds, tables, and other
gimcracks of one kind or another.

Louis Caro, another member of the Sonora Aero Club expressed it very
well when he said that he and his colleagues agreed on one thing;
and that was the fact that they all longed for an airship design
which would have all the features of the Aero Goosey, but be larger
and yet be safe. Several very large models were designed toward
this end and proposed but were never built. There were, however,
several medium-sized models which were actually built, and flown.

One of these was the "Aero Dora", which was another of the most
favorable designs. This Aero was first envisioned by Ernest Kraus
and was later elaborated upon by several other members of the club
who were very pleased with its appearance and function and used it
as a basis upon which to apply their own ideas.

The Aero Dora was equipped with a "sucker-kicker", which was a
device for compressing air and operated very much like a JET for
propulsion. Yes, several of these Aeros had devices that were years
ahead of their times, and included up to date contrivances such as
retractable landing gear, shock absorbers, gas converters, spot-
lights, and many other novel ideas for their time, for one must take
into consideration that these were entirely new concepts, or
designs, with absolutely no precendent to go by, and it is for this
reason that some of the aircraft look so fantastically monstrous and
absolutely unfeasable as aeronautical machines. In other words,
none of them look like they could even BEGIN to get off the ground,
much less fly!

7b706 No.67419


This was no problem for them though, for they possessed a formula
for producing a SPECIAL GAS, called "NB" gas, which was capable of
lifting the most ponderous construction with a minimum of gas. The
gas was produced on board the aircraft and carried in one or several
gas bags on top or on the sides of the airship. Marthin Karo, one
of the members of the Club and inventor of a "hood" for carrying
excess gas referred to this lifting agent as "FLOAT", which is a
good description of its function.

George Newell was the inventor of a "gas motor" called "VOLTA" which
produced the "Lift Power" used on most of the airships. This was a
modified version of earlier gas motor designs or "converters" which
were used in earlier Aero models.

As for the Cripel Wagon…this was actually a wheeled land vehicle
designed in 1837 by Friderich Schultz but was adapted in 1857 for
use as an airship by August Schoetler with the addition of gas bags
and "air squeezers" which made the vehicle airborne, converting it
into an airship with hydrowheels (wheels with water inside instead
of air). "Air squeezers" were similar to "sucker kickers" and
consisted of a tube through which air was compressed and ejected
(similar to a jet engine).

The "Aero Buster" was an airship that was built but never flown. It
was designed and built by Max Miser and was equipped with a
parachute-like device. Before it was completed Max Miser remarked
that if his Aero ever got off the ground he would not want anybody
going up in it but him. "I am enough to break my neck", he said.

The Aero was completed except for the installation of the power
chamber and the fuel which only Peter Mennis could provide, since he
was the only one who knew the secret formula for producing it.
However, for some unkown reason, Peter Mennis refused to provide the
fuel or help Miser with the construction of the gas producing
chamber and consequently this aircraft was never able to get off the
ground. Many years later (in 1912) Dellschau would reminisce about
this incident and would remark on whether gasoline would have
"filled the bill" and would have made it possible for this airship
to fly. Of course, gasoline had not been discovered yet.

Of the more than one hundred airship designs in Dellschau's books
probably not more than eight or ten were actually built and flown.
And they were a howling success!

Why they didn't announce it to the world and reap their share of
profits and fame from their efforts is strange indeed. Could it be
that they were only conducting tests for others to follow? It is
only too clear that NYMZA was a very strict organization and that
any member who disregarded the rules of this secret society usually

Dellschau faced the same threat to his life and it is believed that
he may have died a violent death, although this is strictly
conjecture. The fact is that Dellschau died in the year 1923 at the
age of 93 and was buried in Washington Cemetery in Houston, Texas.
He left behind a dozen large volumes in which he told many things
about their activities in California, but he never would say WHAT
NYMZA WAS, nor what the initials stood for, except to say that it
was work being done FOR THIS ORGANIZATION. Thus NYMZA remains a
mystery to all except to those who may read this and KNOW its
significance, for there may still be members of this society who
will continue to keep their vows of secrecy and may still be working
on yet other clandestine projects. You may very well ask; What
experiments could they (the present members of NYMZA) be engaged in
today? The spaceships of the 1990's? Who Knows?

P. G. Navarro


7b706 No.67426

File: 1541818444193.jpg (146.3 KB, 640x480, 48655657_126696654603.jpg)


I am curious about the W and U confusion. In Dellschau's "art" he often adds bumps to the lower line in the digit 2. I am wondering if this is a hint that the names used are somewhat altered which is why the others can't be found.

>Despite exhaustive research, including searches of census records, voting rosters, and death records, nothing has been found to substantiate the existence of this group except for a few gravestones in the Columbia Cemetery where several of the surnames are found.


7b706 No.67432

File: 1542224798458-0.jpg (67.05 KB, 1920x1080, ufocat-map-1947.jpg)

File: 1542224798458-1.pdf (13.81 MB, cufos-ufocat-map.pdf)

Fun with data.
CUFOS UFOCAT where the UFO report has a Longitude and Latitude.
188,000 sightings mapped, for each year, from 1800-2009.
If you download the pdf try to view the pages full screen the images are 1920x1080.

Years to take note of:
1896-97 USA airships
1909 NZ Airships
1934 Scandinavia "Ghost Fliers"
1944 Germany
1945 Japan
1946 Sweden "Ghost Rockets"
1947 USA Flying Saucers
1950 USA, Europe, South America
1952 USA, Europe, South America, Japan, Korea
1954 USA, Europe, South America<->Japan, Atlantic, Australia, NZ
1962 Oceans
Drops from 1978 until the black triangles turn up in the 1990s.

7b706 No.67433

File: 1542230092394-0.jpg (64.95 KB, 1920x1080, ufocat-map-1909.jpg)

I didn't know about the 1909 Airships. So I decided to take a look:

>June 10, 1909, 0300, Malaysia

>That, in the Nautical Meteorological Annual, published by the Danish Meteorological Institute, appears a report upon a "singular phenomenon" that was seen by Capt. Gabe, of the Danish East Asiatic Co.'s steamship Bintang. At 3 A.M., June 10, 1909, while sailing through the Straits of Malacca, Captain Gabe saw a vast revolving wheel of light, flat upon the water--"long arms issuing from a center around which the whole system appeared to rotate."
-- Fort (1919)

>June 16,1909, 0410, Vietnam

>Donghoi (Annam). An elongated object following a west to east trajectory flew over the town. It gave off a strong light and was seen by two fishermen to plunge into the sea 6 km away from the coast, after a steady flight of about 9 min. {Anatomy 21) -- Vallee (1969)

From July on wards they turn up mostly in NZ (and a few in Australia).

>Later than July 1909, Port Molyneux [NZ]: An airship is said to have alighted and occupants who looked “Japanese” emerged and engaged a male onlooker in conversation. (Unknown 1909 issue of Olutha Free Press)

>3 Aug. 1909, Waipawa [NZ], Night: A resident declared having seen a grey torpedo-shaped structure which contained three men, one of whom shouted to him in a foreign language. He then watched the machine for some time. It carried two lights and circled before leaving. (Hawkes Bay Herald Aug. 6, 1909)”
-- MUFON UFO Journal - Nov. 1982

Can we blame the Asians for the 1909 NZ airship(s)?

ac095 No.67887

Slightly redacted Q&A given by a colleague: "When Tesla was being visited by the future-past pigeon talking to him through solid state laser-like wavelengths he sent the Vril Societe` an invention of his before he was murdered. They jotted down that it was, let me spell this out for you real carefully: a Piezo-electric crystalline vacuum-pump rotor. No, not motor with an M, rotor with an R. Their chief technologist, their term for transhumanist machinist or engineer, was supposed to spread copies of Tesla's plans as soon he could figure out what the alternate codes meant."

Piezoelectric: the affect/effects which occur when electromagnetic and/or electrical energies are refracted across crystals, natural or artificial. Study them and you will quickly understand how old the technologies are that replaced my job. A "law" was passed years ago which self-granted the "right" of the Jew-S government to seize any patent or product that could be used in military applications. CTS Corporation patent filed in 2018 for non-military piezoelectric crystal sonar arrays. 2006 is major turning point when Jew-S began showing off (((advanced technology))); white, blue, green, red hats among the rest began losing positions, titles, MOS's in big hurry.

Mark 61 nuclear bomb also of interest as each uses 2 piezoelectric crystals for inciting detonation:

"So many wonders-"
Not ones Butterrump would like, either.

7b706 No.67891

>future-past pigeon
Secretly advanced people of that time?

>Piezo-electric crystalline vacuum-pump rotor.

I am not sure which direction this goes:
rotor -> pump -> vacuum -> mechanical stress of piezoelectric crystal(s) -> electricity -> comms?

Gravito-electromagnetic comms?

>electromagetism is the torsion and gravity the curvature of spacetime


>In a patent disclosure Brown wrote in September 1953, he described another version of this communication device, which was designed to send a signal from an audio oscillator to an electrically shielded radio receiver. However, instead of capacitors, this device used heavy spherical masses for the transmitter and receiver antennae. His Project Winterhaven proposal envisioned that electrogravitic wave transmission and reception could be developed into a fundamentally new communication technology. It noted that because of the extreme penetrating ability of these waves, messages could be transmitted to submarines and to underground shelters and military installations, locations inaccessible to normal radiowave communication. Brown's spherical antenna gravitational wave generator bore a close resemblance to devices developed by scientist and inventor Nikola Tesla in the early twentieth century.

-- SECRETS OF ANTIGRAVITY PROPULSION by Paul LaViolette (2008) <- T. T. Brown, "Electrogravitational Communication System," patent disclosure, September 1953. Eprint at: https://web.archive.org/web/20080723201702/http://qualight.com/ecomm/ecomm.htm (1953)

So we can communicate and/or detect by gravity waves which have no known shielding?


I am still doing background research: Ideas so far: The periodic table and chemistry is not well understood, making hydrogen, steam and methane accidentally might seem magical to them. If they make it on-board and it is hot ( >>67412 ) you get an additional lift better than ambient hydrogen or hot air balloons. Hydrogen spontaneously ignites in the air at 500C. Methane 537C.

Dellschau is said to have come from Prussia and calls himself a "spye". The SAC is part of a larger German(still checking Dellschau claimed this) group called NYMZA(translation of the substitution cypher: DM=XO). There are some vague references to airship waves in "Germany" in 1950s.

>Germany is involved in the airship mystery because the objects first manifested there in the 1850's. Unfortunately we do not have access to the German reports -- but how odd it is that so many German names crop up in Dellschau's list of men supposedly involved with the "Aero Club" of Sonora, Calif., in the 1850's: August Schoetler, Jacob Mischer, Ernest Krause, Julius Koch, A. B. Kahn and many others.

-- http://keelynet.com/gravity/aero2.txt <- Fate, June 1973 <- Jerome Clark and Loren Coleman (1973)

>During the 1850's mysterious "airships" regularly crossed the skies of Germany

-- http://keelynet.com/gravity/aero1.htm <- Mr. T. E. Bullard (FUFOR), published in 1982 under the name of "Mysteries in the Eye of the Beholder." Chaper X - Loose in an Airship - The Age of Phantom Dirigibles and Ghost Airplanes, 1880-1946. Page 205 (1982)

>"During the 1850s there was an enormous wave of airship sightings in Germany" - Jerome Clark

-- The Secrets of Dellschau by Crenshaw (2009)

These 1850s German events are missing from databases. Just another way that, despite no direct evidence, everything slots together. Even Sonora is good for a landing field as it has a secluded flat area.

7b706 No.67892

Unidentified Submerged Objects

>70% water planet

1893 - electric monster >>66001 -- failed USO?

WW2 - “The U.S. already has at least one water base we know of, a naval testing facility beneath a deep lake in Bayview, Idaho established during World War II.” – https://science.howstuffworks.com/does-military-maintain-secret-underwater-bases.htm and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayview,%20Idaho

1950 - Apr. Off Northern and Central California: Sent to investigate 9 separate reports by fishermen, Coast Guard stations Coast Guard patrol planes. No subs sighted in 5 day search, but contacts indicated high speed underwater craft operating in the coastal Eureka area. – http://www.project1947.com/47cats/usnavydraft1.htm#1850 ← Source: Modesto (CA) Bee. 10 Nov, 1950.

1950 - Jun. ”.. 11:00 PM. .. breaking the nocturnal silence, .. loud noise of water violently disturbed. .. luminous object of oval form appeared emerging from the sea about 500 meters from the shore. It rose up vertically to a certain altitude and then made a turn of ninety degrees and disappeared towards the northeast in the direction of Argentine terrority.” – The MUFON UFO Journal, no. 130 (Sep 1979)

Buoyancy in air and water.

7b706 No.67893

>Is this all fantasy? Is there any hard evidence for secret post-war German bases? Has a post-war German base ever been discovered? Yes, one has. New evidence for this exodus theory comes to us from the discovery of a German U-boat way-station in the Atlantic which had a hand in moving this clandestine cargo from Europe to the austral world well after the war, right into the 1950s. This information is revealed in an article in the July, 1984 issue of Nugget magazine titled "Der U-Boot Bunker von Fuerteventura" (20). Fuerteventura is the eastern most island of the Canary Island chain and lies just out of sight off the west coast of North Africa.
>Geologically, the base was formed by an huge, ancient volcanic bubble around which the molten rock solidified in the center of the island. According to the article, the Germans brought in excavation equipment and bored out three tunnels for underwater access by U-boats. On top of the island, directly over the bubble and the military facility rested a villa with a stairway leading down to the base from the cellar. The villa was owed by a respectable German family, named Winter. This base functioned during the war as a secret U-boat base for the Germans. It continued this function after the war as a way-station for transport U-boats.

Hitler?s Flying Saucers by Henry Stevens (2003, 2012)

(20) = Nugget, July and August editions 1984, "Der U-Boot Bunker von Fuerteventura"

7b706 No.67895

File: 1543024115226.gif (11.7 KB, 504x360, PiezoAccelTheory.gif)

A gravity wave sensor/receiver/transmitter?

7b706 No.67896

T. T. Brown -> dielectrics -> "Many piezoelectric devices are made of the same ceramic materials as capacitor dielectrics."* -> piezoelectric -> gravito-electric comms through Faraday cages?
* https://www.britannica.com/technology/capacitor-dielectric

7b706 No.67897

>solid state laser-like wavelengths

>1888 Hertz had demonstrated generation of electromagnetic waves, and that their properties were similar to those of light[1]. Before the start of the twentieth century, many of the concepts now familiar in microwaves had been developed [2,3]: the list includes the cylindrical parabolic reflector, dielectric lens, microwave absorbers, the cavity radiator, the radiating iris and the pyramidal electromagnetic horn. Round, square and rectangular waveguides were used, with experimental development anticipating by several years Rayleigh's 1896 theoretical solution


>Allan H. Frey was the first American to publish on the microwave auditory effect (MAE). Frey's Human auditory system response to modulated electromagnetic energy appeared in the Journal of Applied Physiology in 1961.

-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave%20auditory%20effect

Artificial telepathy.

7b706 No.67910


>But what if there is another explanation for what happened at Roswell that not only is more plausible but has precedent in history? A theory that explains the entire flying saucer wave of the summer of 1947 and perhaps beyond - more down to earth in its origin and rooted in the very beginning of what later became known in history as the Cold War. This book will outline this alternative theory using declassified documents and sources, original raw reports and more importantly the unique corroborating time line of early Cold War history that transpired over the summer of 1947.

>I do believe that little green men were behind the UFO events of the summer of 1947, but not aliens from other planets, rather the type of little green men that I remember playing with as a young child – plastic toy soldiers that I sent to battle in my back yard. Except in this story, real life military members were the orchestrators, all of them battle hardened from World War 2 and willing to do anything to prevent another World War.

ac095 No.68864

More literal. Instant communication network set up by the Vril Societe`. "Carrier pigeon" was one of Tesla's remarks. Notice similarity to "carrier wave"? Assigning a new meaning to one word prevents infiltration/subversion. At least for a while.

Yes. Analogous to quartz-crystal vacuum tube radio system, too expensive for mass production. Extrapolation: nearly impossible to intercept.

Highly likely in multiple scenarios. Electrolysis conversion engines are bitterly derided by idiots that love screaming "b-b-but that breaks the l-laws of thermodynamics!" Not laws, merely pathetic, basic bitch guidelines of testing working knowledge. Bayview still active like Fort Dietrick/Plum Island except now owned by Nigger Shit Adults, La Sia, and the kike word nasa which means 'to greatly deceive'. Gee, wonder what that could refer to.

Would explain why Vril Societe` and friends were never caught by (((Allies))). Better than satellite comms until recent innovations, harder to detect. Gravity is still poorly understood.

Electromagnetism was never seen as magical or mystical by thinkers, researchers, experimenters. All processes can be precisely examined, all carrier waves can be precisely tuned, all affects & effects can be controlled. Ever come across images of clouds being phased in peculiar wavelengths by H.A.A.R.P. or NexRad installations? Funny business indeed.

Corrupt little green men that found power and did not want to relinquish any of it. It was not that shithawks didn't want another Jew War, they simply wanted to win one with incredible ease. "Look at how profound and complete our victories are, we're the best in the world, no one should ever DARE to compete against us!" Korean (((Police Action))), the 1950's Central Asian (((Civil Wars))), Vietnam directly caused by the frog surrender cucks, 1970's (((drug wars))), the many African (((revolutions))), as well as too many other created conflicts to name = provided money, materials, slaves, captured researchers/scientists "needed" to overcome then-current knowledge before advancing designs. Remember Projects Montauk, Rainbow, Phoenix? All derived from stolen sources with the same limitations. All were utter failures until Operations Paperclip, Factory Shortage, Highway Construction succeeded in enslaving 20,000 to 30,000 Germans, 3,000 to 5,000 French, post-1945 an unknown number of Japanese, as well as close to 15,000 other peculiarly disappeared engineers, scientists, researchers, etc., forced to work as slaves. What is the joke here? A-12, F-117, B-2, F-22, F-35 are wasteful little jokes. Divert attention by creating something else entirely, then try to suppress the diversion which eventually creates """conspiracy theories""". Are you aware of the nearly 400 formerly secret installations across the Jew-S southwest & Australian deserts? A certain someone discovered them when examining data on cellular network access points. 21 trillion in worthless fiat currency is nothing compared to the costs those caused.

7b706 No.70175

File: 1544441710142-0.pdf (812.52 KB, CIA-MKULTRA-1956-Experimen….pdf)

File: 1544441710142-1.jpg (230.23 KB, 1024x1132, gravity_versus_equestria_b….jpg)

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Always interesting when you reply. I am somewhat dubious of the transmission strength and receptivity of gravity waves. But 2 lasers (or a mirror) that self cancel unless space-time distorts …….. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIGO

Communications by gravity…. Neat! How long have the comms been secret Mr. T. T. Brown!!!? How do I get a gravity receiver??

>CIA’s illegal mind-control experiments exposed in secret files

>Experiments which were “too dangerous, too shocking, too unusual for routine testing would be of interest to us,” the memo from 1956 reads.

Attachment#1 -- source: http://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/cia-mkultra-collection/#2018 (Document 77)

Combine this with >>29447 (pic#2 and #3) and >>20033 (Attach#3). We all know where this is going. And it starts somewhere in the early 1950s. Which is also when the "contactees" turn up and right in line with the drift into MKUltra mentality. Timelining is leading to many correlations. Also Attch #1 makes Cathie O'Brien look even more less foolish. This is treason.

I am finishing up a study of the 1947 "Disc" Wave, because of the book above, which includes Kenneth Arnold's famous sighting and seems to be related to the Roswell event. The details are too many and incomplete to go into now, but one thing is becoming obvious. A wave of UFO reports occurs like this:

1) There must be (genuine) concerns about objects in the sky (criminal pirates, war jitters, etc) casing the public to watch the sky and report.
2) Nature then provides a meteor shower, the public and the media view the lights through the bias of the existing fears.
3) The military becomes alarmed at the mere possibility. This leads to finding ways to obtain or counter the assumed technology.

The space rocks responsible for these events were not detectable in 1947 or the 1933-4 Ghost Flyers of Scandinavia. 1896 Airships, 1910s Airships need to be looked at in this light also. So much to do!

This is very obvious in the analysis so far of the 1947 "Discs". I hope to do a series of posts on it soon.

pic #2-4 because the original intended uploads were already here and so … because no way to unattach exists.

7b706 No.70176

File: 1544443400028-0.png (204.37 KB, 622x7960, UFOCAT sightings by year v….png)

Some extra fun with data. This is a heat matrix of sightings in the UFOCAT db. It shows a drop off in reports when MKUltra gets shutdown. Something else was reduced in 1979 also.

This is a useful tool because meteors will cause dark bands running upwards, and human activity will cause bands running horizontal. A "wave" can be when an upward (seasonal meteors) and horizontal (human activity) band meet.

dcf46 No.70177

What's your view of Bob Lazar? Is he the real deal?

7b706 No.70220

Half truth. Flying saucers go back to the ~1910s and are consistent with aircraft evolution and our scientific evolution:
1886: cheap aluminium
1893: Tesla-like electric "monster" tries to rise(?) from the water >>66001
1909: rigid airships https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Aviation#History
1909: French airship in England with what seems to be wheels (Discs? Tesla discs?) attached.
1913: saucers (discs) with vacuum assisted lift, and "gravity is only a different type of magnetism" (ie. Gravito-electromagnetism) >>32212
1940-50s: Flying saucers have human space brothers in them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contactee
There is a progression from airship to flying saucer by humans, and then using them for psyops on the public.

Lazar saying it was reverse engineered from alien is either a known lie or an unwitting lie. The only evidence I have found for ETs, where humans could not have staged it, is >>65820

So if we have discs flying around in 1910s, they can be in S4 in 1989. My speculation at the moment is that after MKUltra had exploited man-made flying saucers (as a flying experimental mind control and biological laboratories, to test unwilling victims driving at 3am in the morning) they needed a cover story. With the exposure of MKUltra in the 1970s a new "explanation" was needed for the 1950s+ UFO events.

In 1980 Roswell "alien" stories turn up, the witnesses are very convincing, but zero evidence. Mind controlled "witnesses"? In 1985 Whitley Strieber (who now believes he was manipulated by the military mind control) published Communion which brings Greys to the public consciousness and then they are retrofitted back onto 1947 Roswell.

And in 1989 Lazar claims "reverse engineering" of ET craft. This is the new cover up story for flying saucer based MKultra experiments on the local population.

You can see that the ET origin claim doesn't hold up when you look at our history. We did all this to ourselves.

7b706 No.70463

An interesting tale which provides one interpretation for the collapse in sightings in January 1979. And feeds into just about every conspiracy:

AMB is these days primarily a research, development and deployment facility specialising in weaponry, anti-grav technology and dimensional-fold craft, and though it continues to be prone to outbreaks of violence between conflicting Terran and extra-Terran species, what goes on these days is nothing compared to the battle which ensued when everything came to a rolling boil in 1979.

The genesis of AMB dates from 1947 when President Harry Truman signed a treaty allowing the limited harvest (presumably under the auspices of research only) of local livestock—primarily cattle, sheep and goats—in exchange for what was presumed to be full access to extra-Terran weapons technology. This proved to be the equivalent of exchanging the island of Manhattan for a string of glass beads. As things usually unfold whenever a primitive race encounters a dominant one, it was revealed over time that matters were not going exactly to a plan that benefitted the primitives. Ingrained distrust and hatreds on the base culminated in what is now known as The Battle of Dulce. The timing couldn’t have been better—the cavalry were already mounted and ready to ride.

In 1977 National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski briefed President Jimmy Carter on what was suspected to be happening at AMB, namely, that livestock was not the only living thing being tagged or harvested. Carter was so freaked out he ordered a reconnaissance team assembled, calling upon the newly-established Delta Force accompanied by a group selected from Air Force Special Operations Command, Navy SEAL and Army Rangers.

The report revealed that the NSA had known all along what was going on, were backing the extra-Terran agenda of human research and had developed a Department X to administer the project. The foolishness of the NSA assuming they were capable of handling anything was made abundantly clear when the operation files were eventually prised from their iron grip. Contained within is the stuff of nightmares.

AMB’s ultimate goal was to produce humans who would stay child-sized forever, much like breeding dogs for their toy poodle-aspect, though what they discovered was that the more they strayed from the original genetic blueprint the less human the entities became; they were useless for purposes of sacrifice or sexual conquest because the more the form was tinkered with the less likely it was to house a soul.

Years of experimentation resulted in the production of human-shaped automatons acceptable for sexual use by the lower-ranking members of the elite—much like an inflatable sex doll compares to a human lover—but useless in terms of response capability when inflicting the trauma of rape or sacrifice, as well as yielding desirable pineal glands (the hypothalamus, pituitary and amygdala, as well) demanded for consumption in ritual at the highest levels.

To this day there appears no synthetic substitute for an actual, organically-conceived human child. As an aside, the health risks associated with eating the aforementioned parts of the human brain are alleviated by access to proprietary medications that forestall the resultant decline in health of the consumer. Once a politician, for example, is no longer of use to the Enemy, palliatives are withdrawn, hastening immediate decline. The health trials of Killary spring to mind—swivel-eyed seizures, loss of equilibrium and persistent spasmodic dry coughing fits, all aspects of the symptoms of kuru.

I must also add that the children most desired for consumption are Anglo-Saxon-Teutonic descent Whites with O- Blood Type, though any Rhesus Negative blood group will serve in a pinch.

What the Enemy desires above all is organically-grown, fully-ensouled humans, much like caviar connoisseurs prefer beluga to cod roe. They are intoxicated by the chemicals released when a child is terrorised, and exhilarated by the challenge of conquering and consuming what (they believe) is a pure, sovereign spirit. This is an addiction for our rulers, and by many accounts the world’s oldest addiction since the heyday of Babylon.


1979: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bennewitz became convinced he was intercepting electronic communications from alien spacecraft and installations outside of Albuquerque. By the 1980s he believed he had discovered an underground base near Dulce.
1979: Philip Schneider, an explosive engineer who worked for the U.S. government, with high-level security clearance, claimed that in 1979 he participated in the building of a “secret underground base,” in Dulce, New Mexico. It was here that a horrific battle played out leaving 60 humans dead and countless subterranean aliens fighting for their life. – https://youtu.be/9COrANDQvWg?t=2430 (skip to 40:30)

Pull in also >>46892 . Which bring up an interesting, and opposite position to my posts here, idea. Human history going back to the late 1800s includes our increasing ability to manipulate spacetime. On the surface this leads potentially to gravity control. But it could when pushed to extreme make spacetime tunnels. Potentially contacting other creatures. So we would have two branches of history, the human branch and the interdimensional beings branch. Research based on documentation would verify the human branch but is incapable of verifying the interdimensional branch leading to the (my) biased conclusion that it is ALL human activity.


7b706 No.70464



On the other hand this is a new narrative to cover up the MKUltra abuses. There is still the problem of why, if Philip Schneider did participate in a battle with "aliens" in 1979, were fake "aliens" dressed as fake "aliens" in what they would have assumed was a secure facility underground. Or he is lying and participating in the cover-up narrative.

Which then begs the question, why is interdimensional kidnappers and abusers better than admitting MKUltra did other bad things too?

I am disturbed by the possibility that our history is not the only participant in the UFO story.

human history
humans fold spacetime ←—- interdimensionals

If you only have documents for the left side path you would erroneously conclude that only the left side events occurred. There are rumours of time experiments: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project

Space might be dead, Afternon. But are the "other dimensions" dead??

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d46c3 No.70649

I've been thinking, rockets look like cocks and planes look like cocks with triangle wings.

So… What if aliens have weird penises, and that's why their spaceships look like that?

7b706 No.70650

Perhaps cone like shapes are best for penetration. And nature and engineers know this.

7b706 No.71024

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Interesting timing >>70176

7b706 No.78826

File: 1546466900523-0.png (24.68 KB, 891x589, 2002_xm35_1946-01-01_mercu….png)

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What happens if a space rock does a close pass of Mercury (which has no atmosphere) and it breaks up. What if the debris converts some of its forward momentum into angular momentum. What if the debris is then sent towards Earth's orbit. What if it it enters the Earth's atmosphere in 1946 ("Ghost Rockets") and in 1947. Could fast rotating space rocks, molten in the Earth's atmosphere, look like Flying Disks of June and July 1947? Could they flash white light and glint in the sun? Could they drop molten metal and float in the air? Could they spiral around in the air like birds?

COMING SOON. If anyone cares.

ac095 No.79216

Which technologies are capable of detecting gravitational distortion on a system scale rather than a single world's scale? A number less than four. During the first Hague Trials, the little green men were in such fear of being unable to intercept communications from those which they did not control that they felt at-all-costs measures such as the creation of a world wide military force, amusingly named NATO, were not sufficient enough in their eyes. I find it of great sarcasm that the Eyes which numbered Five, then Eleven, and now Twenty-Four, are yet another of their projects.

That depends on one's definition of secret. In 2005 there were multiple red flag contacts during command station watches which were labeled above Ultra Violet classification to be immediately referred to blue, white, green hat & La Sia code transfers to stations & departments that were identified as AT&T and Ma Bell centers. Do you see the pattern here?

Bob was one of the thousands of paid shill that did his job or else his family dies. If pressured: "he can do no wrong as he only knows what he knows", which is an immediate red flag as to whom owns his loyalty. Hubbard wrote scripts which are still used to this day with zero changes, Lazar was merely copying at the time.

The Flying Pancake was considered "alien" as well when the German High Command was shown the schematics. They were even more dumbfounded when the prototype's hull was displayed. A common drone today would be seen as an invading extra-terrestrial robot by a person from 50 years ago. Consider that it only took 2 years to acquire enough financial backing for production of many captured German prototypes, then consider how long it took for others to begin noticing them. The "Nuclear Family" meme subsequently followed by the creation of the Silent (Beating) Generation of little green men were used as dissociative influences in order to prevent inquiry from the strange technologies suddenly appearing everywhere, and as a shield against the crimes committed against other humans. There is no such thing as positive propaganda.

7b706 No.79259

What is a 'system scale'? Solar system?
Little Green Men is /-\rmy?
What are the coloured hats representing? I guess blue is sky, white is sea and green is land.
The pattern seems to be comms. 2005 is close to when N/-\S/-\ verified GEM. So experiments seem likely.
A gravity transmitter? http://www.searlsolution.com/members/documents/GravitoMagnetics-Superconductors.pdf
Flying Pancake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_V-173

>…and as a shield against the crimes committed against other humans. There is no such thing as positive propaganda.

At the end of the day we end up here: http://constitution.org/abus/mkt/cannon_controllers.pdf
And face the misery that we humans are despicable creatures. Not even animals manage this level of self-harm.

7b706 No.79260

File: 1546540531280.jpg (401.92 KB, 1563x2140, Sky_and_Telescope_1947-07-….jpg)

There is another unrecognised player in this flying disc game. Nature herself can make flying discs. SOON. Because of the outlandishness of this claim I am researching every angle for flaws in my hypothesis. It seems both nature and man were making them in parallel and scientist culture intentionally failed to follow up a lead because it did not fit scientists narratives (that isn't science). This lead was a precursor to 1947 main event.

ac095 No.79924

Larger. Isn't a "country" also made up of the ocean boundaries it claims?

Yes. Whom is always the second on scene, the first to reach an objective on land? The more interesting question here is, why were they the first to commit betrayal? With enough indoctrination, anyone can be a mindless drone, yet what was their reasoning? "It was the easiest option." What were once cowards in uniforms created uniform cowardice for all to hide behind.

Now you see the references. Essentially yes, and even matches their attitude: "Can't touch us!" "Also can't touch us!" "We outnumber you, peon, don't even try it." Yellow presents cowardice as an optimal outlook for their numbers. One can only defend their own life for a short time before being brought down.

The original debuted in 1939, 3 years before the copy was "built".

By the way, your end of the contract is still broken. Ever considered long walks at moonlight?

7b706 No.80326

Heliopause, Oort cloud? You are too obscure.

I might have an answer to this coming. Nature made discs, they can shatter into foil all over farmers fields. These were a potential boon to aircraft design. Also if you pretend you have alien tech the Soviets might be less inclined to nuke you.
Maury Island incident is true as described by the witnesses, it fits my coming hypothesis.
A fair proportion of asteroids is magnesium (silicate), magnesium is a gas above 1091C. A meteor can reach 1700C, add in high spin and you get additional maintained heat. If it collides with planet Mercury along the way it experiences even higher temps and centrifugal rotations, and therefore separations of the various material components. Escaping gases can also make rotations. The silicate, with magnesium gas bubbles, forms an aerogel which can contain the heat inside the object. The object becomes a hot magnesium gas balloon of various shapes somewhat disk like. The iron can become magnetic, the silicate can become glass. It can drop molten material to regain buoyancy. This is what starts the spike in 1946 that peters out as time goes by. This also inspires the psyop because the public wen't to the ET hypothesis explanation. I am 50% through two sources of info, I am looking for aberrations that don't fit. Nothing yet. Then I'll do a detailed document. 1947 is too early for anyone to send hundreds or thousands of disc over the US and the world in a few weeks and then disappear. Some of these objects might still be in space and we run through them sometimes.



What contract? Are we dating? If you tell me what the contract is then perhaps I can meet the contracts conditions?! If you won't say, I'll ignore it.

ac095 No.81587

The entire solar system, including the volatile, precious metals & materials heavily laden throughout multiple asteroid fields, the various moons of 2 certain planets, then there's the nearly incomparable, even more precious gases trapped in stable orbits. How difficult are those to mine in comparison to, let us say, near-volcanic conditions? The technologies to safely mine in zero oxygen environments are both readily available and relatively simple to mass produce. One might say that the cheapest component required here is human labor. Did you know that the United States census estimates per decade are incredibly, questionably wrong? One must consider what that means in a military context.

According to two colleagues in difficult to reach locations, your assertion has a strange, heightened merit. There is a nagging problem with the wide spread, seemingly mass distributions of disc-shaped objects appearing in the northern hemisphere. The resources of the top five countries post-WW2 could, at maximum, only account for a total of 110 aerial craft apiece in 1947 given the known postwar budget accounts. However, there may be a third negotiator in play for this problem; an answer to a question you posed earlier may relieve some of this burden.

As amusing as the suggestion sounds, not so much, Herr Vril. I deliver the goods regardless of their source. You pick them up and display them in public showcases for honest, logical examination. Care to trade wares? Khajiit has many goods to offer.

7b706 No.81614

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Are you suggesting that the SSP is using G to communicate as they harvest the Solar System? Is that you Corey? Actually you remind me of William Lyne.

The hypothesis is piecing together quite well. I now have a method of generating the foil, and the disk domes. Rather than type a lot here I will attach the current chapter titles that I will use to organised my amassed data. This should give a fair over view of the evaluation so far.

7b706 No.81615

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>I deliver the goods regardless of their source. You pick them up and display them in public showcases for honest, logical examination.

The one problem here is I am renovating a house, selling it and moving to a distant location. Once I am re-established I can build up an infrastructure suited to this. But I can't do it now because I am reducing everything in my live to zero to make the future move as simple as possible. The idea is good, the timing is bad. Sounds like fun later this year or next depending on how fate treats me.

Also here is an interesting piece of data. There is an asteroid (2004 TG10) that crosses Earth orbit twice a year (usually they cross only once) and it corresponds exactly with the 2 largest spikes in UFO reports over all years (minus 1947 aberration). 1 / ( 365 x 365 ) = .00000750609870519797 I'll use this to show how strongly meteors and UFOs correlate. The MöD discovered the same correlations. Waves seem to be when Nature joins in (at least early on). They also suggested a buoyant plasmas as causes of UFO reports and noted that science seems to not investigate this.

I would say my hypothesis is about 80% good so far. But I feel insane because I have wandered so far away from the "safety" of the herd. :)

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