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769c7 No.1401

I'm coming to my wits end with this shit. I'm getting tired of feeling drained and passionless towards what I used to love. I want to write again. I want to enjoy playing games again. I want to wake up and not feel like I got to fap first just to get out of bed. I want to feel something other then nothing.

The thing is when I try I always fall right back in. I've made it three days and I saw some cleavage and suddenly got horny I thought I would collapse. I left and had to drive home but the urge would go away! I couldn't fight it and I felt so disgusted with myself. The moment I got home, I had to jerk it.

How do you guys deal with these urges? How do I get a life back?

a505b No.1402

>>1401
I think the trick is the old saying about "idle hands". When you have the urge you need to find something to do so you don't have the option to sit and think about it.

aee64 No.1405

>>1401
>How do you guys deal with these urges?
I fuck the wife. Go lift, git gud and find yourself a cutie.

8cbaa No.1406

>>1401
Work out a few times a week, have sex a few times a month and get a fulfilling hobby.
Do that and you will most likely feel no need to fap, stay away from aphrodisiac food.

769c7 No.1407

>>1405
I'm terrible with women but that's a topic for another tread. I used to love lifting back in school but I just haven't found time or had anyone to go with. I always felt better when I had someone to compete against
>>1406
The sex part isn't happening anytime soon but I would love to take up writing again. Hell, I've always wanted to learn to ride a motorcycle.

769c7 No.1408

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OP here!
I'm working on day three of nofap! I'm going strong and I ready feel better! I'm trying for a whole week! Hopefully more but the urge are starting to bother me…wish me luck!

8cbaa No.1409

>>1407
>The sex part isn't happening anytime soon
Must be sad to live on a place prostitution is not legal so you are forced to pander to a women's desires just to satiate yours.
It is quite a borken model, they ask for men to treat them equally yet the system wont allow men to fulfill their desires thus making them prone to see women as a means to an end.

769c7 No.1410

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>>1409
>OP ponders.
>OP is sad now
>OP wants to fap now

664c5 No.1411

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>>1410
There's a trick to not fapping. It's a complex process, but I'll try and summarize.
Step one: stop grabbing, yanking, rubbing, stroking, or otherwise stimulating your penis.
Step two: repeat step one.
>B but anon, what do I
Repeat step one. Do you want to not fap, or do you already want the current you to be already successful at not fapping? Cuz the current you needs practice at not fapping, and it seems to me that the easiest way to not fap is to not fap. Just stop. Watch SJW youtube vids if you have to, that ought to kill any arousal you might have.

34682 No.1412

>>1408
Good luck! Stand strong, I BELIEVE IN YOU!

769c7 No.1413

>>1411
I'll try Anon. If Quagmire can do it so can I. I hope.

I won up with a stiffy today and I couldn't help but rub at it but I never busted a nut. Is there hope for me yet guys?

a505b No.1414

>>1413
>Is there hope for me yet guys?
There is always hope. And I will say you did really good so there is more than hope for you.

1e641 No.1415

>>1411
While I appreciate the sentiment, the porn-addled mind is just too sensitive sometimes. I think the advice from >>1402 and >>1406 are far more productive than simply "just don't do it, nigger."

Just remember that zoomers and millennials are in an age where fapping is something that could be done at any time, anywhere, and with little to no preparation, to your heart's content. Internet porn is especially hard to keep away from, when you're living a rough early-adult life. Which most of us are, I would assume. At least I am.

Anyway, I'll be doing nofap as well, and godspeed to you OP. Want to make this a nofap general of sorts, encourage and offer hobbyism tips and tricks? Maybe even gaming sessions or raids/parties can be organized here. I'm on Dark Souls PTDE on Steam basically whenever I'm not at work, so invasions and jolly co-op are a pretty easy way to keep yourself distracted and whitepilled.

Also >>1413 I believe in you, fren. I'm in the same boat - didn't bust a nut last night, but I did read some way-too-kinky horse porn just because I was drunk and restless at midnight.

b3bb0 No.1416

>>1415
You're right, the benis is far too large an organ to avoid touching, even accidentally, and once it's been touched it can't help but infect the mind and force not only the hand, but the arm and shoulder to stroke it.
Get real fgt

8ecff No.1417

>>1401
So, if it's really a problem hypnosis works. Self-Hypnosis.
Always use statements with only positives. Something like "I won't fap" doesn't work.
"When I feel horny I will do something productive instead."

Take some time to communicate with your subconscious. It can be meditation, or words you repeat just before you fall asleep.

Ask why you feel that way. Once you really get it. More options open up on what to do next.

1e641 No.1418

>>1417
I've tried hypnosis. Maybe I'm just too neurotic to calm down, but years later and no hypnosis I'm aware of having tried has done anything for me. I tried meditating but after a year at it I couldn't achieve that zen mode everyone brags about achieving.

1e641 No.1419

>>1416
Listen man, I've just accepted and incorporated others' advice into my own statements and ideas. I've offered to help others and myself by working as a board to prevent one another from having idle hands. I'm reaching out, but you're not meeting halfway. You are just being too stubborn on this. Not everyone is predisposed to the ironpill. It's hard for some to swallow in an era as decadent as ours.

b3bb0 No.1420

>>1419
>It's hard
And when its hard, repeat step 1. Seriously, I'm not trying to suggest that its effortless, but I am suggesting that not playing with yourself is a crucial element. If you want to not play with yourself, you have to not play with yourself. Sorry, but that's reality.

769c7 No.1421

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OP here! My little question sure is attracting attention. Thank you all for the well wishes and I wish you all the best on your own journeys.

I would like to tackle some of "do it fag"s out there. Personally, I've always struggled with controlling the urge to whack it. And with my employement, I feel stressed out of my mind. I'd compare it best to smoking cigarettes. It's just an easy and cheap way for me to relax. I've been this way since I graduated from high school and college. I had free time. Why not bust a nut, you know?

I know that seems pretty lame but it's what got me through. Mellowed me out.

8ecff No.1422

>>1421
>it's what got me through. Mellowed me out.
You need to spend time meditating. Or hypnosis. Or a mantra before you sleep.

You Have To Tell Your Body How To Relax. It's conflicting the reproduction and stress relief.
Sexual situations cause stress and horniness.
The reward and cure for stress is an orgasm.
The reward and cure for being horny is an orgasm.

This is a Bad positive feed back loop.
[U]Like this is serious.[/U]
THIS CAN SPIRAL!

Eventually Both will get too high that a single orgasm won't cut it any more. The higher stress will put more demand on you. The more orgasms require more nutrition.

https://librivox.org/a-practical-guide-to-self-hypnosis-by-melvin-powers/

Meditation in A sentence. A Focus on Something, while always returning without pain or guilt or frustration.

8ecff No.1423

>>1418
>>1421
You need to get into contact with your subconscious by ANY means.
Psychological or Occult doesn't matter.

Every night before you go to bed Imagine yourself without stress after you do (TASK HERE).
It can be anything, but make sure it's good for you and is sustainable. Like walking.

Say it out loud while Imagining that is You.
After a while just Imagine it.
Every Night.

During the day. When You feel stressed you do that action. When you are done. Say "I feel better, and relaxed".

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>>1420
>>1411
You Are Always The Master of your Mind and Body.
That does not mean you are alone in there.

769c7 No.1425

>>1422
OP here.
I think is spiraled a long time ago. I can go for week feeling nothing trying to chase the high but it was always never enough. I also wanted more. I'd struggle at basics thinks. I could make headway but my body always felt weak. That's why I asked. That's why I wanted some help. I knew I was in the wrong but I've been too embarrassed to get help. I only find this site 5 days ago.

On a side note, 5 days nofap! Wanted to celebrate with faps. Something told me that was mad though.

8ecff No.1426

>>1425
Good job, man!
Breaking the cycle can be shitty at times, but I believe in you.

769c7 No.1427

>>1426
OP again, Thank you Occult. Also, have I seen you before?

2156d No.1428

>>1401
I lasted 6 days before failing. My longest dry spell so far has lasted 4 weeks.

1e641 No.1429

>>1427
He's an Anonfilly writefag now, so probably.

769c7 No.1431

Well guys….its finally happened. I broke. I couldn't take it anymore. I had to cum…. I know I'm weak but I lasted all week.

db2f6 No.1432

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Keep yourself productive. Find better uses of your time.
Go outside. Read a book. Do literally anything else.

8ecff No.1433

>>1431
Now You begin again. You know you can go for an entire week, go longer.

TLDR: An orgasm can be used to further your development.

I should have posted this before.
When you cum for a few moments you can talk directly to your subconscious. Normally this is used for spells, and sigils, magic stuff, and 'magic' stuff.
Instead of meditating or going through hypnosis you do that. There isn't alot of time so you need to make it count.
This os where you change yourself. Don't do 'I want' or 'I wish' that means you don't have it and probably won't get it. Say it like you already have it.

'Under my conscious control(or have the subconscious do it), I (Behavior or Action you want), (add anyother modifiers and safety stuff)'

Check out the magic thread on >>>/vx/ you don't need magic just the psychological bits can be all you need to start.

769c7 No.1434

>>1432
Fucking fanfic man. I got into the moment and lost it. I remember just saying fuck it and going. I wanted to stop but it felt like something took control.

I know it's a piss poor excuse.

1e641 No.1436

>>1433
I can definitely attest to the calming qualities of afterglow. It's obviously not optimal to meditate or seek higher understanding, but in terms of keeping your mind focused just enough to pull those kinds of things off without being too restless or neurotic to accept them, they do the job.

>>1434
I had to delete my entire fimfic bookshelf, man. It's just too much sometimes.

9c28b No.1437

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Well OP again.

I'm going to try for two more days this time. Saturday night to Saturday night. Wish me well herdmen!

And thank you all. This chat has been so encouraging!

1e641 No.1438

>>1437
I'm rooting for you, anon. I'll be shooting for Sunday myself. Like I mentioned before, if you wanna raid/play games together to pass any idle time, let me know!

34682 No.1442

>>1437
I'll be trying right besides you, anon.

9c28b No.1447

You know what sucks about nofap. It's like the universe tests you or something. Fucking chick at my work in some tight jeans today. She might be in her 50s but damn she's still got it!

1e641 No.1448

>>1447
Hahah. There's one girl at work who I admit feelings for, and she always seems to be in slacks far, far tighter than should be allowed for her curvature. Lewd thoughts whenever she's manning a checkstand and I'm at the neighboring one.

9c28b No.1449

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Op here.

I'm a fag and I can't stop fapping! Anyone have days where everything you do goes wrong? Anyone?

Saturday Sunday and fucking Monday we're like that. I tried bush hogging my road on Saturday. Nope! Tractor won't run and spend all day trying to fix it. Sunday, I found out the air filter got to spend all day trying to soaking it in gas

Let me stop myself, you really don't give a damn about my meanness life. Need to stop feeling sorry for myself. Short of is fapping is like a drug and i keep coming back when shit gets to me! Now I'm gonna feel like shit all day cause I fapped when I know I shouldn't have! And my head's throbbing cause I've been punch myself and beating myself as punishment!

God someone kill me. Make it simple.

8ecff No.1450

>>1449
>And my head's throbbing cause I've been punch myself and beating myself as punishment!
TLDR: Don't acknowledge it (the failure). Just keep on track with the goal. That is all that matters. Keep striving for the goal.

Punishment doesn't really work. Behavioral therapy works, but that takes time, and possibly preparation.

Just accept that you did it. Fuck feeling guilt. Just continue to reach the high score.
What matters is not giving up.

Ask why you feel frustrated when it happens. And keep digging deeper. It will go away.

Seriously, just let the problems fall away.
A problem is just another task. Just another checkmark on the road to what you Want.

Always Focus on The Goal (The Final Destination), then either The Path (May be between you and the Goal), or The Task (What is in your way Right Now).
Never focus on the failures. Learn from it yes. But never ever feed it.

b7f60 No.1451

>>1449
You had one job, and I don't mean a handjob

ed09d No.1458

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>>1449
Same OP
But Continue your No Fap journey,Take back you life my Friend.

745ac No.1464

>>1458
We're taking it back one step at a time

Op here

Guys, do any of you feel like sharing your nofap stories? You're failures, successes, or maybe those strange things that gave you boners

1e641 No.1467

>>1464
Diapered ponies are probably the "least" degenerate thing that give me a boner.

I don't see how "nofap stories" are even a thing that can be done. I mean….other than how being pent up might affect social/romantic encounters? I dunno.

8ecff No.1468

>>1467
>>1464
There isn't really a story. Not even a journey.
If you squint you might see something.
So I've been fapping for a long time. Won't say how long.
But, I've seen some strange stuff. I know what lines I won't cross. Lines I could cross.
Some lines I'm sure I shouldn't have, but did anyway.
Some just for something 'new' something interesting. Until I burn that out. Somethings just don't, so I won't.
Personally?I didn't see the effects.That could be because I've been doing it for so long. It's not really worth it for me. I fap when I want to fap. I don't when I don't want to.
It's not a problem for me specifically. Just another time sink.Those important times on 'wastes of time' one to shape who I am today. I'll cut it out when it's time do so. Not any sooner. Not any later.
It will never take over my life. I won't allow it.

Sometimes the most simple of advice is complete mystery. Until it isn't.

(This is the part where you put the simple advice not yet understood.)

1e641 No.1469

>>1468
>Those important times on 'wastes of time' one to shape who I am today
I read that over a few times and I still don't really get it. If possible could I get a rewording of that for clarity? And I don't exactly know what "simple advice" is referring to unless you're just saying the simple advice is "everything in moderation." Am I close, or no?

Anyway, for a while I just fapped whenever too. But lately, it's been my low quality stress reliever that puts me to sleep. Not proud of that, given my beliefs and ideology.

8ecff No.1470

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>>1469
What normies consider 'Wastes of time' is personally valuable to me, because it shaped who I am now. Without it I would be a different person regardless of the negative effects they may have had.

The second spoilered is whatever advice you don't really underatand yet.
So the 'simple advice' can be anything. Anything at all. Just that moment of understanding it.

Do as you will.
>easiest way to not fap is to not fap
Why did the chicken cross the road? To get to the other side.
"Oak's words echoed… There's a time and place for everything, but not now."
Do or do not. There is no try.
As above, so below.

faf92 No.1471

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>>1449
Ok.
You just tried everything and failed.
Why not to try the traditional and orthodox way? The way of the spirit I mean.
It may sound out of fashion and awkward but it worked for centuries before judaism contaminated everything.
The speaker in the following videos is a spiritual fighter specialized in exorcisms, so, he is a man of action and not a charlatan.

#1 - The state of the modern man (this is a monumental and priceless speech)
>How to Raise a Man ~ Fr. Chad Ripperger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7V1W967ofA

#2 - What to do do with your low passions
>Chastity by Fr. Chad Ripperger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M8-32YbCCs

faf92 No.1472

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>>1449
Understanding the enemy and the root of evil is the first step.
>pornography
>lust darkens the mind
>lust can be used to render an opponent blind
>men who are slaves of their own passions are not good fighters
>Dr. E. Michael Jones: Libido Dominandi Speech in Warsaw [English Cut]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3ZfAkWK490

1e641 No.1473

>>1472
not op, but I'll say this much: the box is already open. Knowing your enemy put that porn there to begin with doesn't really change the fact you grew up with it and it's already had its effect.

faf92 No.1475

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>>1473
>doesn't really change the fact you grew up with it and it's already had its effect.
Correct.
But my approach to OP takes in count that he is trying hard and is not winning.
Then, instead of to employ pure willpower against his body asking for the next fix of dopamine, I show OP that he might confront the issue from an spiritual angle and to enroll a supernatural being to help him in his quest to conquer evil.
It depends of him if he is ready or not, meaning that he will go nowhere without faith.

26cd0 No.1476

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OP here

You guys have been busy while I was away. Ive got some interesting news for you. I got my first BJ over the weekend. It wasn't that great and it was pretty awkward. It was done on the back of the truck on the side of the road when we have bugs swarming overhead and cars going by occasionally. Very romantic I know. The girl I was with wasn't even that hot, 4.9/10 at best. So what boner I had wasn't strong.

I'm gonna just hold off and try not to fap. I fapped when I woke up, thought today was Sunday, but it's not. Hopefully, I'll can get back onto train. Also, to bring up the higher power stuff that seems to floated in here. I've never been a very religious person. Honestly if they were interested in me I don't want to bother them, they got bigger fish to fry and stuff like that. I'm not worth the time

1e641 No.1477

>>1476
>grill BJed you
Well congrats. Although I'll admit that I lost my virginity at late 18/early 19 years old. First lay was amazing, mostly because the girl had my preferred morbidly fucking obese body type, but we didn't connect on any level past that and after the second lay I just kinda slinked away. I mostly left because she was a swinger and took me to a swinger club where people saw me fug her. Really made me feel uncomfortable. Where our first fug was in a comfy king-sized bed in a rented room, our second was on a twin bed and had a bunch of club rules to follow for instance we literally had to lay down piddle pads under us and we couldn't close the door, draw the curtain on the window-wall, or turn the above-bed LED lights down.

I've felt the urge to fap but I haven't fapped since I broke my streak on Friday night. I'm gonna aim for the night after I move out of this house and into the next. Little over a week, and I have productive things to do to keep my hands from being idle.

By the way, you have good taste in mares. That's a classic pudgy qt.

faf92 No.1478

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>>1476
>I'm not worth the time
Not quite.

1b1da No.1479

>>1476
Great Anon. I'm Glad you got the Succ.
>Tfw Incel

1e641 No.1480

>>1479
I don't know how on earth people have trouble getting laid lmao.

I mean, I absolutely get having trouble finding a stable relationship, but like….I lost my virginity after dating twice at a fucking Denny's with someone I met in the /fit/ fatfuck general. I didn't even go there seeking anyone, I just asked about workout partners and she almost immediately asked if I wanted to fuck. All it takes is finding a female in your area who shares something in common with you enough to chat a little, and either the courage to invite her to your place or the luck to find a girl who'll do that for you.

9c7ca No.1487

>>1401
the same happened to me until a day I felt so wrong and disgusted with myself that I simply said to myself: I will stop.
That was in July of 2018 and I've lasted since then

756b4 No.1488

>>1487
Wow! Just wow. That's impressive

faf92 No.1489

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>>1488
14-88
Super Checked.

83864 No.1492

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Well you Nons, I'm going to make a new effort! I'm going for Saturday! But I got to ask when I wake up that's when I usually fap, any suggestions for counteracting this?

a505b No.1493

>>1492
>any suggestions for counteracting this?
I think that if you decide to get out of bed instead of relaxing and starting to think about it will help. I know it is good to just relax for a while, but if you don't give yourself the opportunity you will have a better chance. If you got spare time in the morning perhaps with a little jog you will get double benefits. You get in better shape (no matter what form you are in already) and you will maintain the nofap.
Best of luck, and know we are all rooting for you to succeed.

83864 No.1494

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I don't care what everyone says about you guys. You're all so awesome! I'm so happy to be apart of the great grand herd!

Protect the purity of our white mares!

664c5 No.1495

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>>1492
Get dressed. Right away, don't wait. Make some coffee and then drink it. Talk to people in or around your household. Insert behaviors in and around when you fap to disrupt your cycle. You can do this anon, we believe in you.

fd389 No.1496

>>1495
>talk to people in or around your household
I live in an urban nightmare-scape. My housemates are a fake-autistic crybully and an old lady barely capable of having conversations under three hours long. That's not an exaggeration. I moved in and I literally spent 3 hours standing in the front door repeatedly saying I had to go get the rest of my stuff.

Talking with people fucking sucks. I do enough of it at work.

79b71 No.1497

>>1496
Assertiveness training is a whole different can of worms, but it could help in your mental conditioning. The more socially maladjusted a person is, the less likely they are to observe norms and show consideration. In the case of older people trust me, I know if they are not going to permit you the opportunity to disengage without being rude, then you will simply have to be rude. Its not being rude for the shit of it (technically, its not even being rude, its about having an appreciation for your own time, interests, and schedule) its about maintaining boundaries. Just because you start talking to them doesn't mean you're obligated to sit through every possible thing they might say. Think of video games, if the person is repeating themselves or going off on irrelevant tangents, you can simply walk away or skip the conversation entirely (depending on the game's mechanics). You can even call yourself out for it to lessen the blow: "I'm sorry for being rude, but I really have to get to other things." and then with decisive certainty follow through. You don't need a person's permission to walk away, and if you stick around or show a lack of conviction in your body language then your statement will be interpreted as a request to end the conversation (which can be declined or more likely ignored), which it is not.
Talking with people might not be the best thing to do admittedly, its just an idea of an activity that you can engage in that activates different areas of the brain than the ones that ordinarily lead to fapping.

fd389 No.1498

I forgot to mention that this is 1e641 speaking. I moved houses so this is my new permanent ID for the thread at least for the next year unless things go differently than planned

>>1497
>you can simply walk away or skip the conversation entirely (depending on the game's mechanics)
Dark Soouuuuuls. If you know who I am, I have a boner for that game, can you guys tell uwu

>You can even call yourself out for it to lessen the blow: "I'm sorry for being rude, but I really have to get to other things." and then with decisive certainty follow through

I like this advice. Seems obvious in hindsight but I really do hate to follow through on it. I prefer for a conversation to take its course before disengaging but I will keep that in mind.

>if you stick around or show a lack of conviction in your body language then your statement will be interpreted as a request to end the conversation (which can be declined or more likely ignored), which it is not.

That is legitimately great advice, friend. Thank you.

8ecff No.1508

A very relevant video for more than just handling anger.

Mr. Rodgers: "What do you do with the mad that you feel"
https://youtu.be/4AtLIJjEbh4

ced06 No.1510

Op here.

Guys, when you nofap, do any of you get issues with rage? Getting mad at little things. So mad you can't think even if it's a really simple solution.

Alsp, update on that girl, I don't want to deal with her shit! I need to CTRL Z this shit! Stop texting me! I don't want to listen to how horrible your ex-husbamd is! Stop! Stop guilt tripping me!

5ae09 No.1517

>>1407
>I'm terrible with women
I don't know why people think it's something you are born with. Go out and practice. Yeah, you are going to get shut down, and that's ok. Be glad when you get shut down, it's the clearest signal you should try something else.

65f35 No.1518

>>1510
I've been there, that's your HEART FIRING ON ALL FUCKING CYLINDERS! I love that feeling. It's rage, it's passion, it's stopping to appreciate the beauty and nature, it's sweating the semen out of your brain and getting mad at the shit you FUCKING SHOULD BE MAD AT!
That bitch can fuck off, put your foot down and tell her to cut that shit out. If she wants to spend time with you, she has to cut that shit out. Trust me, you'll give her ovaries boners by putting your foot down. But be willing to be okay with it if she's such a little bitch, she gets scared off by your alpha male act. This isn't sarcasm, I'm genuinely fucking serious. Treat women like they have to be worthy of your attention, make them change themselves to suit you, they love that. They hate that you let them get away with treating you like a low-class man.



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