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There are a few things I'd like to do in this thread
- document my soap making process
- document process changes and upgrades to equipment
- detail common problems when making soap
- answer any soap making questions
- eventually let everyone know when and where product can be purchased
Basically everything to do with soap.

I'm not concerned about telling somebody how to make a product that I'm selling either. There are a few reasons for this: Some people won't be able to receive such a product overseas, or it wouldn't be feasible to ship. I'm not so petty to think that trying to conceal information somehow results in "job security". The soap making process is already quite well documented. Finally, I didn't start making soap to make money with, I started because of the memes, but also to have a product to better prepare myself for economic collapse.
I wish to share this with you guys so (you) too can better prepare yourself for whatever is coming.

Lets start with the boring stuff, like what is soap?
I would define soap as a surfactant. A surfactant is a molecule that will bind to water, oil, and particles.
The US legal definition is 'soap made from natural ingredients'. Synthetic soap is often sold as 'beauty bars' or 'body wash' instead of soap, because they are not made with natural ingredients.

Most modern engine and transmission oils, and heavy grease used for equipment will contain detergents. Don't let the word detergent mislead you, it means the same thing as surfacant.

Lye harvested for soap making in ages past is called potash. The potash lye soap making process is a fair bit more involved, and the chemical reactions are a bit different. https://classicbells.com/soap/woodAshLye.asp
Potash soap has been made for a very, very long time. If one of you decides to try this out, please let us know how it goes!

"modern" naturally made soap uses either potassium hydroxide or sodium hydroxide for the lye. Sodium hydroxide is used for making liquid soaps, sodium hydroxide for solid soap bars.
The easiest way to get sodium hydroxide is from a hardware store selling containers of "pure lye" drain unclogger in the plumbing section. For example https://www.homedepot.com/p/Instant-Power-Crystal-Lye-Drain-Cleaner-1650/204374017

Soap made from natural ingredients is a very sloppy chemical reaction. There are untold numbers of different chemicals and compounds found naturally in any given type of oil. Most of those oils will react with the lye to make some rather complex reactions that result in "soap". It is not uncommon for the soap to change color as it cures for this reason.

Oils are typically mixed and matched to make a nice bar of soap, as no single oil has a good mix of the fatty acids necessary for a good bar of soap.

When making your first batch of soap:
Start with solid bars of soap, instead of trying to make liquid soap. Liquid soap is much pickier about what kind of oils you use.
Use an existing recipe for your first batch, then try to make soap using as much local products as possible. When economic collapse happens, getting those foreign oils will be much more difficult or impossible.
Start with a 2:1 water:lye ratio. If your recipe calls for 12 ounces of lye, use 24 ounces of distilled water. Ignore however much water the recipe calls for.

When building your own recipe, or modifying an existing one, use the following two web pages:
http://soapcalc.net/calc/SoapCalcWP.asp
https://classicbells.com/soap/soapCalcNumbers.asp
And when in doubt, ask in here.

This first post is just a boring autistic dump on chunks of important or related information. I'll post a lot more (actual making) soap stuff when I get the chance. I think this is a pretty good start though.

Be sure to ask whatever in here about anything related. Over the last year I've been pretty autistically going over how most people make soap, refining my own process, and doing fairly deep-diving research on the topic and general chemistry.
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Anonymous
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I'm here
Anonymous
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>>5038
Heh, thanks.

What kind of thing about soap do you guys want covered next?
Anonymous
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>>5030
>"pony" themed soap
I share your skepticism and incredulity. Obviously theyre a horsefucker in some capacity to have made a 'specific' soap for so many ponies, but the functional applicability of the 'theme' to is dubious.
>>5043
Do (you) market soap online in any capacoty? Ngl, I would rub Aryanne's CM all over me.
And the soap too.
Anonymous
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>>5044
neh, not to the marketing stage yet. There are several more things I need to do first.
Need to get boxes that are a good size for the soap, need to make a cutter for the soap loaf, need to figure out how I'm going to label things, and finally I need to build a website.

There are a couple more things I need to do, like getting the dye to match the color needed for each pone the soap is going to be against. Also need to make cutiemark stamps for more ponies. Right now I have Fluttershy and Twilight Sparkle, need to make one for Celestia, Luna, Rarity, Pinkie Pie, Applejack, and Rainbow Dash.
Aryanne soap is a special case for how I make it, and takes a lot more effort. I don't think I'll try selling such for that reason. Maybe if people know how to ask, just that it will be quite a bit more expensive because of the extra effort needed to make it.

Was also thinking about making and selling perfume using the same fragrance oils I have mixed for Celestia, Luna, and mane6. The fragrance oils are of exceptional quality and my first tests as a perfume is... kind of amazing how long the fragrance sticks around for. Sprayed a paper towel a couple times and could still smell it two days later.
I don't brake out in rashes from it either, like I do with so many other fragrances found in things like soap or cologne. I still can't believe how fantastic of a source I have for the fragrance oils.

Just I've been super busy with work doing lots of overtime. Not much time left to develop these products.
Anonymous
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>>5045
>expensive
Id be disappointed otherwise, and I appreciate the logistical issues as a barrier to entry.
Having said, if they were to become available even as a limited edition/run I absolutely want a windmill of frenship in my bathroom, and Id not be opposed to a private deal/arrangement direct with you (fuck websites and online storefronts).
Pretty obvious who (you) are (and likely who I am) so if you ever do, hit me up.
Anonymous
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>>5046
I've ran a business before, its not a big deal, just lots of stuff to do. The main thing is optimizing workflow, as I don't want to get bogged down when things are not set up correctly. I've been there for a lot of years, its not fun.

My goal is to have things mostly ready to go by the time /mlp/con is happening.

I also have tentative plans for larger volume soap making, and I'll probably post about it eventually, but for now I'm sticking to low-level development.
I really do want to make lots of soap. The snowpity oil is strong and long lasting. Super stoked to be working with them.
soapone
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Alright, full-size experiment. I was stoked to get a 10 quart mixer, and didn't have a chance to use it till today. Also since I have white dye, I can try making pone color schemed soap again.

Here is my first attempt.
I'll take more pictures after cutting the soap and stamping Fluttershy's butt branding in it.
Of course fluttershy snowpity fragrance was added.
Anonymous
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>>5050
Yay soap!
Anonymous
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>>5050
Looks like butter, yummy
Anonymous
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>>5052
its "I can't believe its not Flutters!" soap bars.
lol
Anonymous
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>>5050
Anonymous
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>tfw soap shaped as mare bits is the defacto currency of the new horse order.
Feels good man.
Anonymous
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>>5053
lol, just lol
soapone
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10-12 hours later, I took the soap loaf out of the mold and cut a few bars. Soap was really gummy and was tearing instead of being cut, so I'll let it cure some more before continuing.
I suppose the texture from tearing isn't bad, it kinda looks like a milled bar of soap. Still, I think I like a cleaner look than what you see in the picture.

The bars are 4.5" tall with 8.5 lbs of oil. I really like that size, so I think I'll stick with it.
~7.2-7.3 ounces per bar cut 1" thick, so each bar is 1"x3"x4.5" in size. Curing removes water, so we'll see how much more it will shrink from water loss (mostly in weight, size shouldn't really change much).
I think I used 3 teaspoons of yellow dye and 6 teaspoons of white dye, but I think I can use less, esp. if I mix the dye correctly next time. You can see a couple white streaks from cutting the soap. I wasn't *that* excited. It's from little clumps of un-mixed white dye that got smeared when cut. Mixing the dye correctly means taking some of the 8.5lbs of oil and putting it in the blender with the dye before turning it all into soap. I didn't try this first attempt because I wasn't sure how much dye I was going to use to begin with.

Taking a step back, this is just a small sample of the nuances I've been going through over the last year with making soap, pretty much every weekend and sometimes weekdays. I didn't start a thread earlier because I wanted some good pictures to start off with. My first attempts were... pathetic and enlightening at the same time.

>>5056
>>5053
I think I might just label Fluttershy soap that. Actually, maybe it would be a good label scheme for all of them! LOL
"I Can't Believe It's Not Flutters!"
"I Can't Believe It's Not Twiggles!"
"I Can't Believe It's Not Dashies!"
etc.
Thoughts?

(For those who might not get the meme, I attached an image of the product to help you out)
Anonymous
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>>5057
10/10 soap would eat 50 bars.
>"I Can't Believe It's Not Flutters!"
>"I Can't Believe It's Not Twiggles!"
>>"I Can't Believe It's Not Dashies!"
Based i love it.
Anonymous
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No.5072
Over the last month, using naturally made soap and rinsing with vinegar water. In the first week or so I noticed that I'm shedding a lot less hair than when I was using shampoo. Seems to be less split hair ends too,
The other thing I started doing after that was using a 50/50 mix of jojoba oil/castor oil and combed it into my hair. Exceptional results. I don't get bedhead anymore and hair actually feels nice through the next shower.
The first of the labels
soapone
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Been really busy, but not too busy to work on more soap things.
Here is some of the first revisions of potential product I'm going to be selling. Anyone have a preference for which one they like? Any suggested changes?
Will be printed on a 2"x2" sticker for the bottle.
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>>5105
I would center the logo and perhaps make it in gray so with text over so it "blends in". Attached small mockup of what I mean (also made a version with narrower label if desired).
Anonymous
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>>5105
>Snwopity
Somehow, I supect you noticed that and have been waiting for someone to say something
Snowpity Twiggles sounds more fun, and I'd stick to 'spray'
Anonymous
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No.5109
>snowpity spray
Okay, take my money.
Anonymous
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>>5106
Can't really do that because of the way black&white laser printers work. There is either black, or there is the color of the paper.
Thought about getting a color laser printer, but I'm trying to avoid additional costs. I already spent between $2k and $3k this month on this whole project.
Anonymous
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>>5110
Laser printers should be able to print graytones (at least mine can). But could be you have one of those thermal label printers.
Anonymous
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>>5111
Alright, I tweaked some things and tried it out.
It appears it will "do grayscale" on the most technical level, but its dithering which laser printers are traditionally not very good at.
Took a picture to show what I mean.
I guess it would be alright for a label.

>>5107
As near as I can tell, for everyone I ask the arrangement of the words and which version they like is a pretty mixed bag.
I'm not getting any obvious trends (yet)
Maybe it is because everyone is busy thinking about throwing money at me for the product rather than actually analyzing things. I guess that would be a good problem.
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>>5112
I see what you mean. Have you tried to play with the grayscale level to see if there is a gray level sweetspot your printer likes?
But also remember making it gray might not be the best route artistically so don't take my suggestion as gospel. My artistic skills or aesthetic knowledge is not what you would call good. Only reason my first thought was gray and center was because it felt a bit unbalanced/"left heavy" (or what to call it) so I thought centering it and making it gray it would balance the label overall and also get the "out of the way" of the text.
Made a few more mockups in only black and white, but not sure if they are any better or just making it worse. But added so you have more variations to play with and think of. Added the vector so you can easily move objects around and resize in InkScape.
Logos are hard and I don't really know what to suggest and recommend. Hopefully more people will give their two cents and likely have more knowledgeable feedback than what I can give (and gave).
Anonymous
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>>5114
The other thing to note is that cutiemarks are not "balanced" by themselves either. Luna and Rainbow Dash for example. I'll see how they look when I get around to it, hopefully soon.
Need to decide on where to get website hosting, build the website that can process payments, and what kind of URL I want to use.

Yesterday after playing around with label sizes (cut out some 3x5 cards) to see how the bottles would look with a sticker on it, I ordered 2"x2" stickers along with all the basics for packaging and shipping.
Realistically, the dithering isn't that bad, I think its growing on me. There is another thing I could try too: Give the text a white background, maybe with a blur so that there is only a little bit of dithering for the butt branding where the text and butt branding overlap.

Thanks for the help, anon. Certainly more than I've gotten anywhere else.
Anonymous
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>>5114
Tweaked things some more...
Anonymous
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>>5116
>>5117
You can also try doing a white outline on the text. This way you can place it above cutiemark if you want to try to see if that looks good also. This way you can place the "Twiggles Snowpity Spray/Cologne/Perfume" on the center of the label.
Anonymous
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>>5118
I don't really like the outline thing. Also I am trying out essence instead of spray.
I think I like spray with the white background blur the best, #2
Resized the cutiemark a bit so its slightly smaller. I think I like it. Should be good for all the other butt brandings too.
Anonymous
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Ah, a Squirt of Snowpity? A Snowpity Splash? A Sniff of Snowpity? ASoup of Snowpity? Snowpity Mark? Rendered Snowpity? Snowpity Quantized?
Anonymous
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>>5124
>A Sniff of Snowpity?
Anonymous
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>>5126
>>5124
phew... got 1 out of 8 done.
Used a bar of soap to prop up the bottle for picture
lining up the images for the label was ass.
Anonymous
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>>5129
Looks really good. Just though of one thing, is there any requirements of listing ingredients (in case you need to make a back label)?
Anonymous
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>>5129
Looking Great There
Anonymous
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>>5130
No requirements. Not for skin care products anyway, like soap, perfume, eye shadow, and similar.
Its literally just two ingredients though
Fragrance oil (snowpity)
food grade alcohol
Anonymous
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>>5133
Can i drink it?
Anonymous
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>>5134
iunno if the fragrance oil is safe to consume. Though, I'd imagine it would be safer than a lot of the processed foods made these days.
Anonymous
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>>5135
Hmmmm, fragrance oil would probably be ok?
Anonymous
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Finished making the labels for all the perfume/cologne/spray bottles.
Anonymous
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>>5139
Troll me if you must, but what is a snowpity?
Anonymous
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>>5142
It's not something you can own, see, or feel. It's something beautiful tied to the direct essence of a mare and her kind mares spirits. Lurk moar.
https://snowpity.com/
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>>5144
>implying I didnt do several websearches prior to asking, including that specific site
I was hoping for something a little less vacuous, but okay
Anonymous
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Here is the first use of my heat-shrink equipment. Seems to work well.
Need to make labels for the soap, but at least I can use normal paper and slip it inside the heat-shrink bag. Though, I don't think the pone soap needs a label really. Dunno, maybe.
Anonymous
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>>5147
Very sexy
Anonymous
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>>5147
The edges are kinda rough on the dirtpity bars. How are cutting them? Also, crow is a nigger.
Anonymous
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>>5150
Do you mean the soap bars? or the plastic?
Still working on dye, that was my first batch made with my soap mold. Also messed up with the thermal profile, so the middle is caved in along the top for the whole batch as detailed in earlier postings.

The plastic is just being plastic. There are holes in the plastic for a reason... need some ventilation to let moisture escape and for a sniffy place.
Anonymous
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>>5154
I was referring to the soap bars. The plastic looks pretty good. Good job, anon.
Anonymous
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Here is the first of the soap labels
To be printed on 2"x3" yellow paper. I just made the background yellow to more or less get an idea how it's going to look.
(kek, accidentally uploaded the SVG, have a PNG instead)
Anonymous
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Is Soapone kill?
soapone
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>>6191
Not at all, just extremely busy. Started attempting to soap mill for my most recent soap research project.
Got all the labels done and a website launched barely in time (literally the day it started) for the 4chin /mlp/con and had a 1/2 hour ramble - now I'm recording for /mare/con and will start video editing soon.
Discovered its the lard I'm using that is screwing up my soap, so I need to find a better source for lard/tallow. I got some fat to render from a local BBQ place, but I need a lot more in general, still looking around. Mayhaps local butcher shops.
Made my first batch of soap using Christmas-themed fragrance, which is nice. Until I get soap milling working correctly, it takes a month or more to cure a bar of soap, so I gotta start making soap for Christmas right now.

Over the weekend installed arch linux on both desktop and laptop, going through and setting up various things and importing all the backups I made.
Got a new job a bit ago, mostly done adjusting to that now.

Can't really attach quality images right now, since I'm still importing shit from backups, but you can see some lower resolution ones on pone.social.

Have a website (no international shipping set up yet) https://snowpity.shop
Another place I started posting at: https://pone.social/@soapone

Even have a secret soap project I'm making that is going to be featured in an event I can't talk about until there is an official announcement.
One of the main reasons I haven't posted here yet is because I haven't had a chance to properly document soap making processes... which I'm still adjusting slightly as I go.
Stay clean everyone, I'm working on this stuff as much as I can. I love you all so much.
Anonymous
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>>6194
Awesome. It's good to see that you're still around and making progress. Congrats, have a tiny essence mare that I edited with my autism 4u.