IIT we discuss and study the Bible. I will be using the King James Version and will take the stance of a fundamental literalist, which is a bit redundant, but these days there exist many that claim to be fundamental but reject the literal interpretation of Scripture when they encounter something they don't agree or understand. I am not a Bible scholar, I'm not a pastor, I don't currently attend any denomination's church service. I'm just an anon that really like to study the Bible. Feel free to argue with me, I could be completely wrong and I hope to learn more about the Bible along the way.
I will post below my first study topic and what I have researched about it. Hopefully it will be interesting and somewhat engaging.
/ub/ - Überhengst
Becoming better
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Glad to see everyone interested in this thread. I hope I can make it worth the attention.
>>3705
The area talked about was Greek controlled, now located in Turkey. I can't confirm as I never heard of a Greek practice like this, but I haven't studied the topic of Greek religious customs. If they did, it was a Greek area, so it would make sense.
>>3706
Thanks. I'm glad you have been sticking around even in my absence.
>>3711
https://youtu.be/O4GyijcVBGw
>>3712
Probably the former, but at least it is opening up some discussion.
>>3714
>>3716
While tolerance is definitely something taught against, even in the verses I am covering now, where Jesus promises to destroy the churches that are tolerating heresies and corruption within, we must also have longsuffering towards those both within and without.
II Timothy 4
1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away* their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Those that deny and those that become unfruitful should be dealt with in patience.
>>3717
Most likely.
>>3718
Matthew 5
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
It is best to use the Word as your method of correction and not namecalling by yourself, as it just makes those that could listen turn away. I struggle with this as well, especially in the moment, but it would be best to keep calm and correct with the best corrective tool given to man, which is far more effective in the names it calls you, as it hits you with truth rather than human reasoning. For example, Psalm 14 and Psalm 53 say nearly the exact same thing, with only slight variation in the text, so I will take from Psalm 14
1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
The reason this works is because it says the truth, that they that deny the existence of God, and further more, no one, seeks after God. They are corrupt and can't see Him even if He floated in front of them to see.
>>3720
Agreed.
>>3725
>>3727
I will be sure to check out this thread. I haven't studied many thinkers in depth, but I will be interested to take a dive into it.
>>3730
Nothing wrong with exploring some literary works and the thoughts of those that have come before, as long as you remember that the best of us are flawed and compare everything to the ultimate measure, the Word of God.
>>3732
https://youtu.be/19TBzy81Mac
>>3734
Off the rails is much more engaging than block text of Scripture, as long as it returns to the focus, which I think will happen with another post or two of mine. I'm glad things got a bit off topic as it gave you the idea for a thread.
>>3705
The area talked about was Greek controlled, now located in Turkey. I can't confirm as I never heard of a Greek practice like this, but I haven't studied the topic of Greek religious customs. If they did, it was a Greek area, so it would make sense.
>>3706
Thanks. I'm glad you have been sticking around even in my absence.
>>3711
https://youtu.be/O4GyijcVBGw
>>3712
Probably the former, but at least it is opening up some discussion.
>>3714
>>3716
While tolerance is definitely something taught against, even in the verses I am covering now, where Jesus promises to destroy the churches that are tolerating heresies and corruption within, we must also have longsuffering towards those both within and without.
II Timothy 4
1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away* their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Those that deny and those that become unfruitful should be dealt with in patience.
>>3717
Most likely.
>>3718
Matthew 5
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
It is best to use the Word as your method of correction and not namecalling by yourself, as it just makes those that could listen turn away. I struggle with this as well, especially in the moment, but it would be best to keep calm and correct with the best corrective tool given to man, which is far more effective in the names it calls you, as it hits you with truth rather than human reasoning. For example, Psalm 14 and Psalm 53 say nearly the exact same thing, with only slight variation in the text, so I will take from Psalm 14
1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
The reason this works is because it says the truth, that they that deny the existence of God, and further more, no one, seeks after God. They are corrupt and can't see Him even if He floated in front of them to see.
>>3720
Agreed.
>>3725
>>3727
I will be sure to check out this thread. I haven't studied many thinkers in depth, but I will be interested to take a dive into it.
>>3730
Nothing wrong with exploring some literary works and the thoughts of those that have come before, as long as you remember that the best of us are flawed and compare everything to the ultimate measure, the Word of God.
>>3732
https://youtu.be/19TBzy81Mac
>>3734
Off the rails is much more engaging than block text of Scripture, as long as it returns to the focus, which I think will happen with another post or two of mine. I'm glad things got a bit off topic as it gave you the idea for a thread.
>>3734
>I'm assuming you haven't read it,
I did when I was 19, it is NOT an easy book, it needs at least 3 re-reads to grasp it and draw conclusions from it. This is the reason why I prefer books like Candide by Voltaire, a superb novel if you ask.
Going back to our common matter: philosophy is like brain masturbation for the idle soul. Illuminism is the root of the West's decline.
>I'm assuming you haven't read it,
I did when I was 19, it is NOT an easy book, it needs at least 3 re-reads to grasp it and draw conclusions from it. This is the reason why I prefer books like Candide by Voltaire, a superb novel if you ask.
Going back to our common matter: philosophy is like brain masturbation for the idle soul. Illuminism is the root of the West's decline.
>>3736
Based, I see what you did there. Or perhaps, what resulted of what you did. You're not wrong tho.
Based, I see what you did there. Or perhaps, what resulted of what you did. You're not wrong tho.
Wait, I have a legitimate question.
What does god say of Christians who engage in falsehood, duplicity, and disingenuously represent themselves? Like, is it okay for Christians to willfully lie and deceive? Even non believers? I thought that was only a muslim thing.
What does god say of Christians who engage in falsehood, duplicity, and disingenuously represent themselves? Like, is it okay for Christians to willfully lie and deceive? Even non believers? I thought that was only a muslim thing.
>>3744
But your question is gay. It makes no sense to bash christians when evil is raping your country. You can't prove that there is or is not a deity, that's why they call it "Faith". Faith that there could be more to the universe than meat and dirt. Smug atheist bullies love to suck muslim cock and bully christians to feel secure. You harass the patient in lands where they cannot kill you for it legally. It's a shame.
But your question is gay. It makes no sense to bash christians when evil is raping your country. You can't prove that there is or is not a deity, that's why they call it "Faith". Faith that there could be more to the universe than meat and dirt. Smug atheist bullies love to suck muslim cock and bully christians to feel secure. You harass the patient in lands where they cannot kill you for it legally. It's a shame.
>>3742
>>3743
>>3744
>>3748
What the fuck.
The incomprehension at play here on both sides is mind boggling.
Well let's go check the books with a word search.
Because unlike most dune religions Christianity actually has multiple search engines.
Multiple posts incoming.
Using https://www.biblegateway.com
Psalm 34
King James Version
34 I will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth.
2 My soul shall make her boast in the Lord: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.
3 O magnify the Lord with me, and let us exalt his name together.
4 I sought the Lord, and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears.
5 They looked unto him, and were lightened: and their faces were not ashamed.
6 This poor man cried, and the Lord heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles.
7 The angel of the Lord encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them.
8 O taste and see that the Lord is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.
9 O fear the Lord, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him.
10 The young lions do lack, and suffer hunger: but they that seek the Lord shall not want any good thing.
11 Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the Lord.
12 What man is he that desireth life, and loveth many days, that he may see good?
13 Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile.
14 Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.
15 The eyes of the Lord are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry.
16 The face of the Lord is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.
17 The righteous cry, and the Lord heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles.
18 The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
19 Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the Lord delivereth him out of them all.
20 He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken.
21 Evil shall slay the wicked: and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate.
22 The Lord redeemeth the soul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate.
>>3743
>>3744
>>3748
What the fuck.
The incomprehension at play here on both sides is mind boggling.
Well let's go check the books with a word search.
Because unlike most dune religions Christianity actually has multiple search engines.
Multiple posts incoming.
Using https://www.biblegateway.com
Psalm 34
King James Version
34 I will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth.
2 My soul shall make her boast in the Lord: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.
3 O magnify the Lord with me, and let us exalt his name together.
4 I sought the Lord, and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears.
5 They looked unto him, and were lightened: and their faces were not ashamed.
6 This poor man cried, and the Lord heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles.
7 The angel of the Lord encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them.
8 O taste and see that the Lord is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.
9 O fear the Lord, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him.
10 The young lions do lack, and suffer hunger: but they that seek the Lord shall not want any good thing.
11 Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the Lord.
12 What man is he that desireth life, and loveth many days, that he may see good?
13 Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile.
14 Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.
15 The eyes of the Lord are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry.
16 The face of the Lord is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.
17 The righteous cry, and the Lord heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles.
18 The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
19 Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the Lord delivereth him out of them all.
20 He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken.
21 Evil shall slay the wicked: and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate.
22 The Lord redeemeth the soul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate.
>>3751
Exodus 34
King James Version
34 And the Lord said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.
2 And be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning unto mount Sinai, and present thyself there to me in the top of the mount.
3 And no man shall come up with thee, neither let any man be seen throughout all the mount; neither let the flocks nor herds feed before that mount.
4 And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the Lord had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.
5 And the Lord descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the Lord.
6 And the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
8 And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped.
9 And he said, If now I have found grace in thy sight, O Lord, let my Lord, I pray thee, go among us; for it is a stiffnecked people; and pardon our iniquity and our sin, and take us for thine inheritance.
10 And he said, Behold, I make a covenant: before all thy people I will do marvels, such as have not been done in all the earth, nor in any nation: and all the people among which thou art shall see the work of the Lord: for it is a terrible thing that I will do with thee.
11 Observe thou that which I command thee this day: behold, I drive out before thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite.
12 Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee:
13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:
14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
15 Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;
16 And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.
17 Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
18 The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.
19 All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male.
20 But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.
21 Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.
22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
23 Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the Lord God, the God of Israel.
24 For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the Lord thy God thrice in the year.
25 Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.
26 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.
27 And the Lord said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
28 And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
29 And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him.
30 And when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come nigh him.
31 And Moses called unto them; and Aaron and all the rulers of the congregation returned unto him: and Moses talked with them.
32 And afterward all the children of Israel came nigh: and he gave them in commandment all that the Lord had spoken with him in mount Sinai.
33 And till Moses had done speaking with them, he put a vail on his face.
34 But when Moses went in before the Lord to speak with him, he took the vail off, until he came out. And he came out, and spake unto the children of Israel that which he was commanded.
35 And the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face shone: and Moses put the vail upon his face again, until he went in to speak with him.
Exodus 34
King James Version
34 And the Lord said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.
2 And be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning unto mount Sinai, and present thyself there to me in the top of the mount.
3 And no man shall come up with thee, neither let any man be seen throughout all the mount; neither let the flocks nor herds feed before that mount.
4 And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the Lord had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.
5 And the Lord descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the Lord.
6 And the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
8 And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped.
9 And he said, If now I have found grace in thy sight, O Lord, let my Lord, I pray thee, go among us; for it is a stiffnecked people; and pardon our iniquity and our sin, and take us for thine inheritance.
10 And he said, Behold, I make a covenant: before all thy people I will do marvels, such as have not been done in all the earth, nor in any nation: and all the people among which thou art shall see the work of the Lord: for it is a terrible thing that I will do with thee.
11 Observe thou that which I command thee this day: behold, I drive out before thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite.
12 Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee:
13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:
14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
15 Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;
16 And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.
17 Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
18 The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.
19 All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male.
20 But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.
21 Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.
22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
23 Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the Lord God, the God of Israel.
24 For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the Lord thy God thrice in the year.
25 Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.
26 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.
27 And the Lord said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
28 And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
29 And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him.
30 And when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come nigh him.
31 And Moses called unto them; and Aaron and all the rulers of the congregation returned unto him: and Moses talked with them.
32 And afterward all the children of Israel came nigh: and he gave them in commandment all that the Lord had spoken with him in mount Sinai.
33 And till Moses had done speaking with them, he put a vail on his face.
34 But when Moses went in before the Lord to speak with him, he took the vail off, until he came out. And he came out, and spake unto the children of Israel that which he was commanded.
35 And the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face shone: and Moses put the vail upon his face again, until he went in to speak with him.
>>3752
Hebrews 12
King James Version
12 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
Hebrews 12
King James Version
12 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
>>3753
Additional resource:
https://www.jesuschristsavior.net/Beatitudes.html
Matthew 5
King James Version
5 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Additional resource:
https://www.jesuschristsavior.net/Beatitudes.html
Matthew 5
King James Version
5 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
>>3754
In order of Beatitudes. Compressed.
https://www.jesuschristsavior.net/Beatitudes.html
>An early contemplation on the Beatitudes came from St. Gregory of Nyssa, a mystic who lived in Cappadocia in Asia Minor around 380 AD. He described the Beatitudes this way:
>"Beatitude is a possession of all things held to be good,
from which nothing is absent that a good desire may want.
Perhaps the meaning of beatitude may become clearer to us
if it is compared with its opposite.
Now the opposite of beatitude is misery.
Misery means being afflicted unwillingly with painful sufferings."
https://www.jesuschristsavior.net/Beatitudes.html
>"Poor in spirit" means to be humble.
>If we are humble and appreciate that all of our gifts and blessings come from God, we grow in love and gratitude for Jesus Christ our Savior. But this can only produce mourning and regret over our own sins and the sins of this world, for we have hurt the one who has been so good to us. One also mourns for the suffering of others.
St. Gregory describes another reason to mourn: the more one ascends in meditation of Divine Truth, Beauty, and Goodness, and then realize the poverty of human nature, man can only be left in sorrow. When one contemplates that we were made in the image and likeness of God and lived in Paradise, the Garden of Eden, and compare that to our present state after the Fall, one can only mourn our present condition. But the sentence continues that they shall be comforted, by the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, and hopefully one day in the Kingdom of Heaven. Pray for the Fruit of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) - love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.
Mourning in this context is called a blessing, because mourning our fallen nature creates in us a desire to improve ourselves and to do what is right!
>A person that is meek is one that exhibits self-control.
. . .
Obedience and submission to the will of God are certainly not in vogue these days, but they will bring one peace in this world and in the next.
>Justice and righteousness in the New Covenant indicate the fulfillment of God's will in your heart and soul. It is not mere observance of the law (Matthew 5:20), but rather an expression of brotherly love (I John 3:10). A continuous desire for justice and moral perfection will lead one to a fulfillment of that desire - a transition and conversion to holiness. This is true for all the virtues - if you hunger and thirst for temperance, you will head towards the goal you have in mind.
>"Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful" (Luke 6:36). Mercy is the loving disposition towards those who suffer distress.
>Pope John Paul II wrote that the Beatitudes in a sense are a self-portrait of Christ! Moses (Exodus 33:20), John 1:18, and Paul (I Timothy 6:16) all say that no one can see God here on earth. God is hidden. But Jesus says the pure of heart shall see God! To be pure of heart means to be free of all selfish intentions and self-seeking desires.
>Jesus gives us peace - "Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you" (John 14:27). Peace is a Fruit of the Spirit. Peacemakers not only live peaceful lives but also try to bring peace and friendship to others, and to preserve peace between God and man. But one cannot give another what one does not possess oneself. Prayer will bring peace into your heart. The Lord wants you first to be filled with the blessings of peace and then to pass it on to those who have need of it. By imitating God's love of man, the peacemakers become children of God.
>persecute
>But the Lord promised those that suffer for his sake will be rewarded with the Kingdom of Heaven!
In order of Beatitudes. Compressed.
https://www.jesuschristsavior.net/Beatitudes.html
>An early contemplation on the Beatitudes came from St. Gregory of Nyssa, a mystic who lived in Cappadocia in Asia Minor around 380 AD. He described the Beatitudes this way:
>"Beatitude is a possession of all things held to be good,
from which nothing is absent that a good desire may want.
Perhaps the meaning of beatitude may become clearer to us
if it is compared with its opposite.
Now the opposite of beatitude is misery.
Misery means being afflicted unwillingly with painful sufferings."
https://www.jesuschristsavior.net/Beatitudes.html
>"Poor in spirit" means to be humble.
>If we are humble and appreciate that all of our gifts and blessings come from God, we grow in love and gratitude for Jesus Christ our Savior. But this can only produce mourning and regret over our own sins and the sins of this world, for we have hurt the one who has been so good to us. One also mourns for the suffering of others.
St. Gregory describes another reason to mourn: the more one ascends in meditation of Divine Truth, Beauty, and Goodness, and then realize the poverty of human nature, man can only be left in sorrow. When one contemplates that we were made in the image and likeness of God and lived in Paradise, the Garden of Eden, and compare that to our present state after the Fall, one can only mourn our present condition. But the sentence continues that they shall be comforted, by the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, and hopefully one day in the Kingdom of Heaven. Pray for the Fruit of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) - love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.
Mourning in this context is called a blessing, because mourning our fallen nature creates in us a desire to improve ourselves and to do what is right!
>A person that is meek is one that exhibits self-control.
. . .
Obedience and submission to the will of God are certainly not in vogue these days, but they will bring one peace in this world and in the next.
>Justice and righteousness in the New Covenant indicate the fulfillment of God's will in your heart and soul. It is not mere observance of the law (Matthew 5:20), but rather an expression of brotherly love (I John 3:10). A continuous desire for justice and moral perfection will lead one to a fulfillment of that desire - a transition and conversion to holiness. This is true for all the virtues - if you hunger and thirst for temperance, you will head towards the goal you have in mind.
>"Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful" (Luke 6:36). Mercy is the loving disposition towards those who suffer distress.
>Pope John Paul II wrote that the Beatitudes in a sense are a self-portrait of Christ! Moses (Exodus 33:20), John 1:18, and Paul (I Timothy 6:16) all say that no one can see God here on earth. God is hidden. But Jesus says the pure of heart shall see God! To be pure of heart means to be free of all selfish intentions and self-seeking desires.
>Jesus gives us peace - "Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you" (John 14:27). Peace is a Fruit of the Spirit. Peacemakers not only live peaceful lives but also try to bring peace and friendship to others, and to preserve peace between God and man. But one cannot give another what one does not possess oneself. Prayer will bring peace into your heart. The Lord wants you first to be filled with the blessings of peace and then to pass it on to those who have need of it. By imitating God's love of man, the peacemakers become children of God.
>persecute
>But the Lord promised those that suffer for his sake will be rewarded with the Kingdom of Heaven!
>>3743
To answer you no. To lie is a sin.
You could do so, and pray for forgiveness. Or something.
Actually in better words you gotta go ask Jesus or God or an Angel.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
>>3742
Mudslimes lie to extract the weakness so they may kill them easier.
Jews entire books is about lies and word games, all the time.
Both say to enslave the goyim, aka animals, which means you. Slaughtering animals for them is a fine and a slap on the wrist for destroying property.
Needless to say, that's bad.
>>3748
Yes, you can prove it. Faith is KNOWING and there is ZERO DOUBT.
>t. occultist
To answer you no. To lie is a sin.
You could do so, and pray for forgiveness. Or something.
Actually in better words you gotta go ask Jesus or God or an Angel.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
>>3742
Mudslimes lie to extract the weakness so they may kill them easier.
Jews entire books is about lies and word games, all the time.
Both say to enslave the goyim, aka animals, which means you. Slaughtering animals for them is a fine and a slap on the wrist for destroying property.
Needless to say, that's bad.
>>3748
Yes, you can prove it. Faith is KNOWING and there is ZERO DOUBT.
>t. occultist
>>3758
I know, right? All this posturing from you godless soulless worthless atheist+ cocksuckers who can't fucking stand the idea that a functional society might need soft rules like "No sucking dicks or else you're disgusting" and "Slutty femalea are scum" in addition to hard rules like "pedophiles belong in jail". You're so desperate to view christianity as a silly and backwards infringement upon your personal freedoms, you'll deny its necessary societal role even if it means aiding and abetting invasive conquerors. If all atheists were exported to muslim nations, they'd get on their knees and beg for forgiveness and swear they'll never shit-talk people more righteous than them again.
I know, right? All this posturing from you godless soulless worthless atheist+ cocksuckers who can't fucking stand the idea that a functional society might need soft rules like "No sucking dicks or else you're disgusting" and "Slutty femalea are scum" in addition to hard rules like "pedophiles belong in jail". You're so desperate to view christianity as a silly and backwards infringement upon your personal freedoms, you'll deny its necessary societal role even if it means aiding and abetting invasive conquerors. If all atheists were exported to muslim nations, they'd get on their knees and beg for forgiveness and swear they'll never shit-talk people more righteous than them again.
>>3758
>>3759
I'm going to slap a bitch.
>All this posturing from you godless soulless worthless
I have my soul, I have seen your gods, I know exactly what I'm getting into and out of. So kindly fuck off and listen to your books and saints so you'll be a better person.
>If all atheists were exported to muslim nations, they'd get on their knees and beg for forgiveness and swear they'll never shit-talk people more righteous than them again.
I'm going to assume you also mean any other religion as well. Let me tell you. Hell hath no fury like a righteous man scorned. Ten years tops they'll be overturned and dashed to the wind forevermore.
Then you'll try to stick your dick in to 'save' the heretics. It's your god given laws.
>>3758
Bruh.
Remember ((())) is the first and foremost enemy of everything on and beyond Earth, no matter their size or shape.
Guess who offers up their children to (((them)))? Is option D all of the above, because few people get that offering up your child (can also be metaphorical) for defilement is also your own slavery.
>>3759
I'm going to slap a bitch.
>All this posturing from you godless soulless worthless
I have my soul, I have seen your gods, I know exactly what I'm getting into and out of. So kindly fuck off and listen to your books and saints so you'll be a better person.
>If all atheists were exported to muslim nations, they'd get on their knees and beg for forgiveness and swear they'll never shit-talk people more righteous than them again.
I'm going to assume you also mean any other religion as well. Let me tell you. Hell hath no fury like a righteous man scorned. Ten years tops they'll be overturned and dashed to the wind forevermore.
Then you'll try to stick your dick in to 'save' the heretics. It's your god given laws.
>>3758
Bruh.
Remember ((())) is the first and foremost enemy of everything on and beyond Earth, no matter their size or shape.
Guess who offers up their children to (((them)))? Is option D all of the above, because few people get that offering up your child (can also be metaphorical) for defilement is also your own slavery.
>>3759
>>3760
>I have seen your gods
You've seen your own delusions
>((()))
I'm not the one who implied mass impaling was the correct response to questioning your so unquestionable beliefs. Ngl, but 'the enemy of my enemy dies second' comes to mind, but not to do with my mentality. That was (you) lot.
>I have a soul
Oh? Quantify it. Present it. Make evidence of it, other than conjecture (no, what 'the Bible says' is not evidence, btw). This 'knowing', how can you validate it but to state that you 'know'? How do you qualify this 'knowledge'? What litmus tests can it pass? Is there any actual evidence beyond your assertion, and some biased and circumstantial assertions?
>>3760
>I have seen your gods
You've seen your own delusions
>((()))
I'm not the one who implied mass impaling was the correct response to questioning your so unquestionable beliefs. Ngl, but 'the enemy of my enemy dies second' comes to mind, but not to do with my mentality. That was (you) lot.
>I have a soul
Oh? Quantify it. Present it. Make evidence of it, other than conjecture (no, what 'the Bible says' is not evidence, btw). This 'knowing', how can you validate it but to state that you 'know'? How do you qualify this 'knowledge'? What litmus tests can it pass? Is there any actual evidence beyond your assertion, and some biased and circumstantial assertions?
>>3761
>what 'the Bible says' is not evidence,
I'm an occultist, doing spooky woo-woo shit. So what kind of evidence do you want?
As in I (my, myself and I. Which is my soul) could go about doing paranormal stuff if you want. Mind you that just and 'only' 'proves' the paranormal not necessarily that it's my soul or the simulation of sensations is the 'real thing'.
Which as always could be chalked up to a mere coincidence.
Then again you could do a summoning for the part of my soul that's on call for various shenanigans.
<Why post those verses though?
Doing things the right way is important. By which the demonstration is suitable for the time and place. If someone is desperate to go do whatever I'd like for them to at least do things in a way that is good and true. If their going to be a Christian they better well do it with excellence so they'll be a marvel to witness at the very least, maybe they'll do some good too.
>what 'the Bible says' is not evidence,
I'm an occultist, doing spooky woo-woo shit. So what kind of evidence do you want?
As in I (my, myself and I. Which is my soul) could go about doing paranormal stuff if you want. Mind you that just and 'only' 'proves' the paranormal not necessarily that it's my soul or the simulation of sensations is the 'real thing'.
Which as always could be chalked up to a mere coincidence.
Then again you could do a summoning for the part of my soul that's on call for various shenanigans.
<Why post those verses though?
Doing things the right way is important. By which the demonstration is suitable for the time and place. If someone is desperate to go do whatever I'd like for them to at least do things in a way that is good and true. If their going to be a Christian they better well do it with excellence so they'll be a marvel to witness at the very least, maybe they'll do some good too.
Why do atheists have so much anger towards the idea that they might be the ones who need to disprove the evidence of God, when they have already made up their mind on the lack of any God?
Do Atheists not see the societal value of religion and its role in shaping societal values for the better? Do they not think that's worth going to church and pretending to praise the lord (or just shutting the fuck up for 10 minutes) instead of dedicating their lives to hounding and bullying and persecuting Christians however they can, no matter where they are found?
If you're reading this you've probably been fucked over by a Jew at least once. If you're reading this you or someone you know has probably been fucked over by a Muslim at least once.
You've seen for yourself how effortlessly the atheist community was pozzed and turned into feminist jewish "atheist+" bullshit. That's what happens when you lack a religious grounding for your morals during your formative years. Adults who say "I'm moral now so I don't need Jesus" aren't really adults, they're toddlers who deny the role living in a somewhat-Christian society during their formative years had on their lives and morality.
Do Atheists not see the societal value of religion and its role in shaping societal values for the better? Do they not think that's worth going to church and pretending to praise the lord (or just shutting the fuck up for 10 minutes) instead of dedicating their lives to hounding and bullying and persecuting Christians however they can, no matter where they are found?
If you're reading this you've probably been fucked over by a Jew at least once. If you're reading this you or someone you know has probably been fucked over by a Muslim at least once.
You've seen for yourself how effortlessly the atheist community was pozzed and turned into feminist jewish "atheist+" bullshit. That's what happens when you lack a religious grounding for your morals during your formative years. Adults who say "I'm moral now so I don't need Jesus" aren't really adults, they're toddlers who deny the role living in a somewhat-Christian society during their formative years had on their lives and morality.
If your going to be serious you need to be serious about this. Being a Christian is no joke. It's serious, that does mean you can fun as per the gifts that God bestows.
This details the corruption and degeneration of peoples everywhere from the spiritual point of view. It lines up perfectly with our (or at least my) (((enemies))).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDjy_K9--Ls
This details the corruption and degeneration of peoples everywhere from the spiritual point of view. It lines up perfectly with our (or at least my) (((enemies))).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDjy_K9--Ls
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I606DH_F8qo
A primary preliminary for proper reading. I only found out, about 30 ish minutes ago.
A primary preliminary for proper reading. I only found out, about 30 ish minutes ago.
>>3763
>Why do godfags have so much anger towards the idea that they might be the ones who need to prove the evidence of God, when they have already made up their mind on the presence of any God?
>Do Christians not see the societal value of individual sovereignty and its role in shaping societal values for the better? Do they not think that's worth doing the work and endeavoring to raise their standards (or just shutting the fuck up for 10 minutes) instead of dedicating their lives to hounding and bullying and persecuting pagans however they can, no matter where they are found?
>If you're reading this you've probably been fucked over by a Jew at least once. If you're reading this you or someone you know has probably been fucked over by a Muslim at least once.
>You've seen for yourself how effortlessly the Christian community was pozzed and turned into feminist jewish "Christian+" bullshit. That's what happens when you lack a cohesive grounding for your morals during your formative years. Adults who say "I'm moral now so I don't need Emergence" aren't really adults, they're toddlers who deny the role living in a somewhat-society during their formative years had on their lives and morality.
>Why do godfags have so much anger towards the idea that they might be the ones who need to prove the evidence of God, when they have already made up their mind on the presence of any God?
>Do Christians not see the societal value of individual sovereignty and its role in shaping societal values for the better? Do they not think that's worth doing the work and endeavoring to raise their standards (or just shutting the fuck up for 10 minutes) instead of dedicating their lives to hounding and bullying and persecuting pagans however they can, no matter where they are found?
>If you're reading this you've probably been fucked over by a Jew at least once. If you're reading this you or someone you know has probably been fucked over by a Muslim at least once.
>You've seen for yourself how effortlessly the Christian community was pozzed and turned into feminist jewish "Christian+" bullshit. That's what happens when you lack a cohesive grounding for your morals during your formative years. Adults who say "I'm moral now so I don't need Emergence" aren't really adults, they're toddlers who deny the role living in a somewhat-society during their formative years had on their lives and morality.
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>>3771
>asking for evidence and exposing bullshit rhetoric is shilling
Well, your purpose is not to look for evidence evidence but to subvert Christians, after all you already made your mind.
>asking for evidence and exposing bullshit rhetoric is shilling
Well, your purpose is not to look for evidence evidence but to subvert Christians, after all you already made your mind.
>>3771
Are you considering that your world view is only fixed on the material world anon?
Perhaps that's the reason "Faith" is alien to you.
By the way, it is noteworthy how endless beings like you pick on Christians, but would never do the same on jews or muslims. Why it would be?
Are you considering that your world view is only fixed on the material world anon?
Perhaps that's the reason "Faith" is alien to you.
By the way, it is noteworthy how endless beings like you pick on Christians, but would never do the same on jews or muslims. Why it would be?
>>3774
Faith is conjectural. There is no objectivity to faith hence it is spurious. Refute that.
And please, show me the proselytizing muslims on mlpol, I'll be glad to give them a riw
Faith is conjectural. There is no objectivity to faith hence it is spurious. Refute that.
And please, show me the proselytizing muslims on mlpol, I'll be glad to give them a riw
>>3775
>Refute that.
Let me to derail you to the other side to the same coin >>>/vx/98688 →
Perhaps you may be more willing to accept the spiritual world when the dark side faces to you.
Also take a peak to >>3633 It is top notch stuff.
>Refute that.
Let me to derail you to the other side to the same coin >>>/vx/98688 →
Perhaps you may be more willing to accept the spiritual world when the dark side faces to you.
Also take a peak to >>3633 It is top notch stuff.
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>>3776
>Perhaps you may be more willing to accept the spiritual world when the dark side faces to you.
This.
>Perhaps you may be more willing to accept the spiritual world when the dark side faces to you.
This.
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>all this deflection
>>3776
>>3777
Completely immaterial. Golly misters, it's almost like when you cant defeat my argument you have to resort to rhetoric and evasion. (((Who))) does that sound like? But then Christianity IS a branch of the same tree as judaism so it's no small wonder.
>dark side faces you
Faith is no excuse for fear anon. If a man cant face the darkness of the world (and himself) with his own autonomy and integrity without resorting tomythological theoretical stories, he has no business attempting to sell his weakness to others under the dubious pretense of spreading auspices. Pious fraud is still fraud, even if its orator believes it entirely.
>>3776
>>3777
Completely immaterial. Golly misters, it's almost like when you cant defeat my argument you have to resort to rhetoric and evasion. (((Who))) does that sound like? But then Christianity IS a branch of the same tree as judaism so it's no small wonder.
>dark side faces you
Faith is no excuse for fear anon. If a man cant face the darkness of the world (and himself) with his own autonomy and integrity without resorting to
>>3775
>Faith is conjectural
>a hypothesis that has been formed by speculating or conjecturing
>reasoning that involves the formation of conclusions from incomplete evidence
>to believe especially on uncertain or tentative grounds
That's completely and utterly false if anyone has faith. Not the hogwash that's been peddled for ages where someone kinda sorta believes, that can be a stepping stone, maybe. You can have faith that the Natural Law is in effect. So gravity, it is certain, while gravity can get really weird and bizarre.
Even more concretely a circle is a circle, or a square is a square. And 3 plus 2 is 5.
Such is the science of the not quite material world(s).
That's faith (at least in a meaningful sense) that what is known is true and has no doubt, because it's True and there is Zero Doubt.
<The current issue is explaining why it's true and why there is zero doubt.
>>3768
So I've said what kind of evidence do you want. When and where? Ect.
>>3769
>>3771
>>3772
>>3774
>>3776
>>3777
>>3779
There is one job is to provide explanation in such a way. Don't play footsy the heart of the matter lies in exploring deeper, because alot of people with highly refined grace and virtue have thought about it. Doesn't mean they're right, but it does mean it's been thought about. In such a way that learning from those techniques alone is useful.
>>3780
They understand that their wisdom comes from the fear of god. And the counter offer of application how to live well and good in all lives. That the blindness of man make comprehending such mysteries can only be done through the intellect that is holy. At least in such of that belief.
So I won't steal their stage.
>Faith is conjectural
>a hypothesis that has been formed by speculating or conjecturing
>reasoning that involves the formation of conclusions from incomplete evidence
>to believe especially on uncertain or tentative grounds
That's completely and utterly false if anyone has faith. Not the hogwash that's been peddled for ages where someone kinda sorta believes, that can be a stepping stone, maybe. You can have faith that the Natural Law is in effect. So gravity, it is certain, while gravity can get really weird and bizarre.
Even more concretely a circle is a circle, or a square is a square. And 3 plus 2 is 5.
Such is the science of the not quite material world(s).
That's faith (at least in a meaningful sense) that what is known is true and has no doubt, because it's True and there is Zero Doubt.
<The current issue is explaining why it's true and why there is zero doubt.
>>3768
So I've said what kind of evidence do you want. When and where? Ect.
>>3769
>>3771
>>3772
>>3774
>>3776
>>3777
>>3779
There is one job is to provide explanation in such a way. Don't play footsy the heart of the matter lies in exploring deeper, because alot of people with highly refined grace and virtue have thought about it. Doesn't mean they're right, but it does mean it's been thought about. In such a way that learning from those techniques alone is useful.
>>3780
They understand that their wisdom comes from the fear of god. And the counter offer of application how to live well and good in all lives. That the blindness of man make comprehending such mysteries can only be done through the intellect that is holy. At least in such of that belief.
So I won't steal their stage.
>>3782
I already told you, admissible evidence would be a good start. Or how about empirical evidence? A square has very clearly defined and measurable attributes, namely 4 equal length sides and 4 90 degree angles. A circle is very clearly defined with measurable attributes, consisting of a constant curvature, and a consistent radius. It's plainly evident and measurable, should the individual wish to test the findings; faith doesnt apply.
>Truth and Zero doubt
Truth is not subjective and the absence of doubt is not evidence of truth. Absence of doubt is a result of EITHER comprehension of empirical evidence OR personal (authoritarian) conviction. Plenty of people have no doubt that the earth is flat. Plenty of people have no doubt that magical niggers can steal penises with curses. Absence of doubt does not meet any objective requirements for evidence, and the attempt to suggest otherwise is flaccid at best.
I already told you, admissible evidence would be a good start. Or how about empirical evidence? A square has very clearly defined and measurable attributes, namely 4 equal length sides and 4 90 degree angles. A circle is very clearly defined with measurable attributes, consisting of a constant curvature, and a consistent radius. It's plainly evident and measurable, should the individual wish to test the findings; faith doesnt apply.
>Truth and Zero doubt
Truth is not subjective and the absence of doubt is not evidence of truth. Absence of doubt is a result of EITHER comprehension of empirical evidence OR personal (authoritarian) conviction. Plenty of people have no doubt that the earth is flat. Plenty of people have no doubt that magical niggers can steal penises with curses. Absence of doubt does not meet any objective requirements for evidence, and the attempt to suggest otherwise is flaccid at best.
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>>3784
>I already told you, admissible evidence would be a good start.
Based upon what criterion? Who's to say what's admissible and what's not?
>Or how about empirical evidence? A square has very clearly defined and measurable attributes, namely 4 equal length sides and 4 90 degree angles. A circle is very clearly defined with measurable attributes, consisting of a constant curvature, and a consistent radius. It's plainly evident and measurable, should the individual wish to test the findings; faith doesnt apply.
That's not what's called empirical evidence. IIRC that's geometrical knowledge based upon mathematical proofs that themselves rest on agreed upon axioms of mathematics and logic.
>Truth is not subjective and the absence of doubt is not evidence of truth. Absence of doubt is a result of EITHER comprehension of empirical evidence OR personal (authoritarian) conviction.
A bold set of claims. Can you prove them?
>Plenty of people have no doubt that the earth is flat. Plenty of people have no doubt that magical niggers can steal penises with curses.
Who's to say it's not, and that they don't? All that evidence, what if it's just an illusion? What if someone told you something that was untrue? What if your senses and faculties are failing you? What if it's all just a simulation, and the real world is beyond our comprehension?
>Absence of doubt does not meet any objective requirements for evidence
As in a deductive proof? Seems we're a long way from that, friend. Besides, people don't change their minds based upon intellect as a general rule, that's been proven via empirical methods. It's really got more to do with intuition and how someone feels. Anything else and people just start to talk past one another. See picrelated if you would like to read up more.
>and the attempt to suggest otherwise is flaccid at best.
Sincerely, would you rather it be hard?
>I already told you, admissible evidence would be a good start.
Based upon what criterion? Who's to say what's admissible and what's not?
>Or how about empirical evidence? A square has very clearly defined and measurable attributes, namely 4 equal length sides and 4 90 degree angles. A circle is very clearly defined with measurable attributes, consisting of a constant curvature, and a consistent radius. It's plainly evident and measurable, should the individual wish to test the findings; faith doesnt apply.
That's not what's called empirical evidence. IIRC that's geometrical knowledge based upon mathematical proofs that themselves rest on agreed upon axioms of mathematics and logic.
>Truth is not subjective and the absence of doubt is not evidence of truth. Absence of doubt is a result of EITHER comprehension of empirical evidence OR personal (authoritarian) conviction.
A bold set of claims. Can you prove them?
>Plenty of people have no doubt that the earth is flat. Plenty of people have no doubt that magical niggers can steal penises with curses.
Who's to say it's not, and that they don't? All that evidence, what if it's just an illusion? What if someone told you something that was untrue? What if your senses and faculties are failing you? What if it's all just a simulation, and the real world is beyond our comprehension?
>Absence of doubt does not meet any objective requirements for evidence
As in a deductive proof? Seems we're a long way from that, friend. Besides, people don't change their minds based upon intellect as a general rule, that's been proven via empirical methods. It's really got more to do with intuition and how someone feels. Anything else and people just start to talk past one another. See picrelated if you would like to read up more.
>and the attempt to suggest otherwise is flaccid at best.
Sincerely, would you rather it be hard?
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>>3784
Right that's why Faith is Truth AND Zero Doubt. Two separate categories. In one.
Now time for an experiment because if I just provide my findings that wouldn't be sufficient. The process though can have different means, so ceremonial is technically close but lacks the heart of the matter and isn't even the point...
Okay how about this
>if the order of seemingly inane movements of body, physical stuffs, (or spiritual stuffs), care, and thought are done in the correct way, then a repeatable result will be resulted barring outside influences or unaccounted factors.
>>>/vx/98688 →
Like all science you'll want saftey procedures first and for most. Or wing it like inventors... but the chance of something going horribly wrong increases alot. Having somesome who knows what they're doing would be good to have on standby, obtaining such help may take time.
If the safety (is too stifling it might not happen, if it could it would when all conditions are met. When ever and where ever.) and prerequisite materials and previous necessities are not there, that would make obtaining the desired truthful result difficult.
Such as using the large Hadron Collider, but using your body to catch the incredibly fast subatomic particles. You might be fine someone did that before.
So the means of detection is you, and something else material. Spiritual sense can be aquired or used as well.
>>>/vx/131622 →
My assertion is that I've seen my soul, and that you could summon a fraction of mine so you have evidence.
More importantly you have your soul.
So safety procedures.
Clean and clear work area.
Magic (or prayer, or will whatever) is the metaphorical paper.
The steps to be taken ready.
You do the thing.
Stuff happens.
Was the hypothesis sufficient? Did you find something new or previously unknown?
Now that you have a proverbial piece of paper and it's just sitting theremenacingly doing nothing. You have to put it into action or just watch it.
Such as poking it (to determine various qualities and quantities), or fold it into a paper air plane.
Folding a terrible quality paper airplane would be pretty disappointing. If your going to be just poking the paper and examining it that'll be quite interesting. If you easily push it about and say it's not really there because it offers no resistance is a falsehood. If you can't detect it's being pushed about then you may have a problem or everything is going as expected.
So instead of paper per se, one might choose to have a significantly weighted object to poke and prod.
While this doesn't seem all that scientific this is more of the discovery phase. To determine the existence even if that is still up for debate at this stage.
Then one can go do stuff. Which is based on personal experiments, finding other's notes on their experiments, and importantly seeing it in action (or not) around you.
Remember safety and awareness, know the risks and what is possible.
Right that's why Faith is Truth AND Zero Doubt. Two separate categories. In one.
Now time for an experiment because if I just provide my findings that wouldn't be sufficient. The process though can have different means, so ceremonial is technically close but lacks the heart of the matter and isn't even the point...
Okay how about this
>if the order of seemingly inane movements of body, physical stuffs, (or spiritual stuffs), care, and thought are done in the correct way, then a repeatable result will be resulted barring outside influences or unaccounted factors.
>>>/vx/98688 →
Like all science you'll want saftey procedures first and for most. Or wing it like inventors... but the chance of something going horribly wrong increases alot. Having somesome who knows what they're doing would be good to have on standby, obtaining such help may take time.
If the safety (is too stifling it might not happen, if it could it would when all conditions are met. When ever and where ever.) and prerequisite materials and previous necessities are not there, that would make obtaining the desired truthful result difficult.
Such as using the large Hadron Collider, but using your body to catch the incredibly fast subatomic particles. You might be fine someone did that before.
So the means of detection is you, and something else material. Spiritual sense can be aquired or used as well.
>>>/vx/131622 →
My assertion is that I've seen my soul, and that you could summon a fraction of mine so you have evidence.
More importantly you have your soul.
So safety procedures.
Clean and clear work area.
Magic (or prayer, or will whatever) is the metaphorical paper.
The steps to be taken ready.
You do the thing.
Stuff happens.
Was the hypothesis sufficient? Did you find something new or previously unknown?
Now that you have a proverbial piece of paper and it's just sitting there
Such as poking it (to determine various qualities and quantities), or fold it into a paper air plane.
Folding a terrible quality paper airplane would be pretty disappointing. If your going to be just poking the paper and examining it that'll be quite interesting. If you easily push it about and say it's not really there because it offers no resistance is a falsehood. If you can't detect it's being pushed about then you may have a problem or everything is going as expected.
So instead of paper per se, one might choose to have a significantly weighted object to poke and prod.
While this doesn't seem all that scientific this is more of the discovery phase. To determine the existence even if that is still up for debate at this stage.
Then one can go do stuff. Which is based on personal experiments, finding other's notes on their experiments, and importantly seeing it in action (or not) around you.
Remember safety and awareness, know the risks and what is possible.
Effective way to remove (if god commands them to stay, at least it'll irritate them) diabolic influence and to order yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afgtx1r5xVo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afgtx1r5xVo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ondTf36Z6I
'Member it ain't 'magic' it's God's command.
The whole point I'm even going this far, besides personal interest and insights in this kind of material, is that there are hostile forces and I'd quite like for friens to be safe and sound.
'Member it ain't 'magic' it's God's command.
The whole point I'm even going this far, besides personal interest and insights in this kind of material, is that there are hostile forces and I'd quite like for friens to be safe and sound.
Demon worshippers are faggots
>>3787
>Faith and Zero Doubt
So, faith (conviction) and zero doubt (conviction). Congratulations, that's rationalized conviction. Conviction is not an argument, nor is it evidence of truth. Evidence doesnt require faith or interpretation, evidence is evident, hence the term. Thanks for the (you)s, but if evidence is insufficient to made evident a particular thing to a person who is not pre-conditioned/predisposed to an idea, then it's simply authoritarianism.
While I'm not an atheist (atheists are just as convicted to their ideology as you lot), this video will help to articulate some of the issues with trying to argue rhetorically (because if you're not using evidence, and your conclusions are based on interpretation, its rhetoric) when the opponent is arguing logically.
Not all my arguments are logical, but my insistence that if the Bible (not exclusively) is true, there will be evidence to support the conclusion IS
https://youtu.be/hprmo3CifJ0
>Faith and Zero Doubt
So, faith (conviction) and zero doubt (conviction). Congratulations, that's rationalized conviction. Conviction is not an argument, nor is it evidence of truth. Evidence doesnt require faith or interpretation, evidence is evident, hence the term. Thanks for the (you)s, but if evidence is insufficient to made evident a particular thing to a person who is not pre-conditioned/predisposed to an idea, then it's simply authoritarianism.
While I'm not an atheist (atheists are just as convicted to their ideology as you lot), this video will help to articulate some of the issues with trying to argue rhetorically (because if you're not using evidence, and your conclusions are based on interpretation, its rhetoric) when the opponent is arguing logically.
Not all my arguments are logical, but my insistence that if the Bible (not exclusively) is true, there will be evidence to support the conclusion IS
https://youtu.be/hprmo3CifJ0
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>>3796
I would suppose there's none to be given, mate. A middle ground just doesn't appear to be present here.
I would suppose there's none to be given, mate. A middle ground just doesn't appear to be present here.
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