Hi anon! We reformed the rule set! Check it out here
https://mlpol.net/policy
>What was wrong with the old set?
So very, very many things
To start off, it was not made on mlpol.net. It was made on April 2, 2017, on the merged board of 4chan. It was never made for this website, nor any independent site, and it has no reflection to our situation. The vast majority of people who participated in that thread on 4chan are not here now, and do not use mlpol.net. Several of the rules in the old set were added by staff over the years and were never voted on.
Second, it has no bearing at all to rules as enforced and probably never has. The number one violation for which we issue bans is and long has been spam. Those little cyrilic bot posts with the ultra-low-resolution images. Tell me where in the old rule set it says "do not spam?" Pro-tip: it doesn't. A majority of all of our moderation enforcement has been against something that isn't even listed as against the rules. There is also no rule in it against off-board raiding - even though that is clearly the spirit of several of the rules - and off board raids have long been one of the dominant reasons for bans.
It worked the other way as well. The rule against "generals" was discarded in practical enforcement in the first year when we decided to allow Syria General to post on /mlpol/. Not long after this, anonfilly was invited after being kicked off of /mlp/. There's also that unstated rule 1 and rule 2. "Don't talk about /mlpol/." We realized within a month of April 2 that not advertising the board - which now was off of 4chan and was it's own website - was a bad idea.
The rule set had absolutely no rule against insufferable and obnoxious posters, and that was a rather big issue.
And you can't tell me it wasn't ungainly and long. It was two typed pages. That isn't useful.
The rule set was prone to misinterpretation, or at least, to give the wrong impression to newcomers. I met with a friend who didn't know I had anything to do with mlpol, and asked him what he thought about the altchans. He told me that mlpol.net and /poner/ was hampered by its banning of generals. A rule we have enfored... once? Ever? Back in the summer of 2017?
And yes, the rules lawyering around the "striped" thread was a factor. Rather than arguing actually relevant issues like whether or not the zebras having sex with twilight were a part of fetish, or posted with a deliberate intent to disrupt the board, instead time and energy is wasted arguing with people who in some cases had never used the board before that day over what degree the my little pony porn resembled some kind of thread that was spammed on the /pol/ board many years ago. That's not helpful.
>Why now? Why not after a long, lengthy process?
It should have been overhauled years ago. I have wanted to overhaul the rules for years. The primary reason we have not is because we didn't have an idea for how to codify a moderator response to what we considered to be edge cases - posters who seemed to be acting in good faith, but who were so horrifically and consistently obnoxious it ruined the experience for everyone around them. It wasn't until this year that I figured out the blanket term "disruptive" captures the essence of these edge cases, but also posting types we ban anyways, like off-board raiders and spam.
>But why now specifically?
Because now is the time that reforms that have been long put off are most needed.
>Why these rules?
I wanted the rules to do three things. One, to reflect actual enforcement and the needs of moderation. Two, to be rather limited, allow most posts to be permitted, and maximum freedom to posters. And three, be short and easy to understand. What we came up with, I think, does capture most circumstances where moderation action is needed, and does so in a succinct and easy to understand manner. Some of the rules could easily be split up into smaller rules, but still, it is a short list of rules.
>Why does the policy page say that the rule set is "under construction"?
Because that part of the policy page is probably going to be modified to include a description of the boards and any rules that might be specific to the board
>But shouldn't the community discuss the rules?
Well, this is the thread. Discuss it now. As stated, the rules were written to reflect actual enforcement. These are things that we have already discussed endlessly, including last year when there was a proposal to add a "lurk more" rule. And besides, if you haven't noticed, who the "community" even is right now is in a state of flux. The newcomers need a very simple set of rules that they can read, understand, and not misinterpret, and they need it now.
>Does this mean that /poner/ is not getting rules on porn?
Not necessarily. We've decided that we will give that a little more time to decide what to do. It's very unlikely that we are going to make /poner/ a completely blue board, but it's far from out of the question that we will add rules like no NSFW in the OP, no porn dumping, or require spoilers. If this is added, it will not be listed on the global rule set. It will be under the board specific rule set, which as of now has not been added.
>You're a faggot
no u
/qa/ - Questions and Answers
Keeping the community together by giving you a voice
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>>9595
>The /mlpol/ board will not have that rule if it’s added to /poner/
This doesn't answer my point though. What is the rationale, if you could explain it?
>The /mlpol/ board will not have that rule if it’s added to /poner/
This doesn't answer my point though. What is the rationale, if you could explain it?
>>9595
>However, whether light banter or trolling will be allowed is a grey area. I would prefer that some is allowed so long as it isn’t too disruptive, but that’s an open discussion.
There's a difference between some banter and malicious trolling. Usually in subject matter tbdesu. Like, a furfag making a single post going "ponies are just diet furries, prove me wrong" is basically disruptive trolling right from the get-go imho.
>However, whether light banter or trolling will be allowed is a grey area. I would prefer that some is allowed so long as it isn’t too disruptive, but that’s an open discussion.
There's a difference between some banter and malicious trolling. Usually in subject matter tbdesu. Like, a furfag making a single post going "ponies are just diet furries, prove me wrong" is basically disruptive trolling right from the get-go imho.
>>9603
OTOH(oof,Paw) the only reason I'm a brony is because I was a furry first.
This is like the digitigrade/plantigrade argument - you're too close to the problem to see where you're standing is amongst feral fanatics.
OTOH(oof,Paw) the only reason I'm a brony is because I was a furry first.
This is like the digitigrade/plantigrade argument - you're too close to the problem to see where you're standing is amongst feral fanatics.
>>9599
Again, that doesn't answer my question and has nothing to do with what I said. I'm asking what is the point of censoring OPs when NSFW images will be allowed in every other post? Is it just to make /poner/ easier to view in public? What is the point?
Again, that doesn't answer my question and has nothing to do with what I said. I'm asking what is the point of censoring OPs when NSFW images will be allowed in every other post? Is it just to make /poner/ easier to view in public? What is the point?
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>>9604
You're welcome to have ascended from a furfag to a horsefucker, or even to be both at once, that doesn't mean that it's not bait of the most obvious degree.
Same as saying "feral" by the way. "Feral", as a term, makes sense in a context where it has to be distinguished from "anthro". Ponies are naturally four-legged animals, there is no anthro/feral dichotomy, there's "normal ponies" and "everything else" (like for example anthroshit and "realistic horse ponies"), and normal ponies are just normal ponies.
You're welcome to have ascended from a furfag to a horsefucker, or even to be both at once, that doesn't mean that it's not bait of the most obvious degree.
Same as saying "feral" by the way. "Feral", as a term, makes sense in a context where it has to be distinguished from "anthro". Ponies are naturally four-legged animals, there is no anthro/feral dichotomy, there's "normal ponies" and "everything else" (like for example anthroshit and "realistic horse ponies"), and normal ponies are just normal ponies.
>>9610
>Ideally, we become the first destination of choice for refugees and for that to work we need a 100% safe-for-work blue board inclusive its blue background.
But the board isn't becoming a 100% safe-for-work blue board, which leads to me asking - why implement a half-measure in the form of no NSFW OPs when NSFW is allowed in every other post? Won't people just see NSFW images anyway if they're using the front page instead of the catalog?
I'm repeating myself now though. If there is no explanation, then alright. Site owners are going to do what they want, it is what it is.
>Ideally, we become the first destination of choice for refugees and for that to work we need a 100% safe-for-work blue board inclusive its blue background.
But the board isn't becoming a 100% safe-for-work blue board, which leads to me asking - why implement a half-measure in the form of no NSFW OPs when NSFW is allowed in every other post? Won't people just see NSFW images anyway if they're using the front page instead of the catalog?
I'm repeating myself now though. If there is no explanation, then alright. Site owners are going to do what they want, it is what it is.
>>9612
I guess it's like... okay, 99% of the board will be NSFW, but the 1% people see upfront isn't? I can sorta see the logic, maybe. I realize this is such a small thing as well in the big picture. But hey, still wanted to ask regardless. We'll see what happens.
I guess it's like... okay, 99% of the board will be NSFW, but the 1% people see upfront isn't? I can sorta see the logic, maybe. I realize this is such a small thing as well in the big picture. But hey, still wanted to ask regardless. We'll see what happens.
90% of posting on /mlp/ was lustposting in one form or another. I agree that porn shouldn't be spammed to high heaven, but I see no reason to recreate the environment of /mlp/ in it's entirety.
>But people might see porn!
They are actively going to political horsefucker image board. Lewd ponies are implied.
>But people might see porn!
They are actively going to political horsefucker image board. Lewd ponies are implied.
>>9617
Curiosity killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back.
Do you feel a compulsion to click every spoilered image?
Curiosity killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back.
Do you feel a compulsion to click every spoilered image?
>>9619
>Please, I beg of you, make sfw vs. nsfw a priority. I need my porn-less blue board.
Related to your previous post, I assume.
>Please, I beg of you, make sfw vs. nsfw a priority. I need my porn-less blue board.
Related to your previous post, I assume.
>>9621
>Do I get poner or do I get gore if I click this image on this apparently safe for work board
Now the sticky area, does that sort of behaviour reflect hearty banter, or deliberate trolling? By your own admission you're entire desire for a blue board is to sow a little discord.
>Do I get poner or do I get gore if I click this image on this apparently safe for work board
Now the sticky area, does that sort of behaviour reflect hearty banter, or deliberate trolling? By your own admission you're entire desire for a blue board is to sow a little discord.
>>9622
Why real badness if you can post an image consisting of nothing more than a text telling the viewer to scream - and other others will pretend to have seen the worst thing ever? It's like you haven't used /mlp/ in a long while.
Why real badness if you can post an image consisting of nothing more than a text telling the viewer to scream - and other others will pretend to have seen the worst thing ever? It's like you haven't used /mlp/ in a long while.
>>9625
I feel like you're attempting to argue the recreation of what you're missing, rather than adapting. No different from demanding sharia in western countries in all honesty. You want to recreate the environment you're used to, because that's how you operate.
I feel like you're attempting to argue the recreation of what you're missing, rather than adapting. No different from demanding sharia in western countries in all honesty. You want to recreate the environment you're used to, because that's how you operate.
>>9626
While I'm aware recreating the boards is a pipe dream, the age-old SFW/NSFW split is a good one and needs to be kept.
When I want to watch lewd I go where the lewd is and when I don't I go where the lewd is not.
While I'm aware recreating the boards is a pipe dream, the age-old SFW/NSFW split is a good one and needs to be kept.
When I want to watch lewd I go where the lewd is and when I don't I go where the lewd is not.
>>9597
But Anon. That's the name of the website
>>9596
Back in 2017 when the website was new, there was a movement within the staff to change the website into what could be called "Aprilchan," a replacement for or competitor to 4chan as a whole. I was against it, as I wanted the website to keep its mlpol culture, and keep the website under mlpol control.
Personally, I have an aversion to the Japanese culture aspect. Anime fans seem to try to imperialize over all image boards and claim the entire concept belongs to them. They try to insert their specific culture everywhere and convert everything to their culture. More than one staff member actually left the my little pony fandom for anime. It's the same reason people don't like furries. Or ponies, for that matter.
If we were poaching 4chan/4channel boards, I don't think I'd want the adult boards and I'm skeptical of the Japanese culture boards, but I'm open to most everything else. In terms of my personal interests maybe /k/, /v/, /tg/, /x/, /his/, /int/, or /lit/. But the only 4chan or 4channel board I've visited since 2020 has been 4channel /mlp/, and that only sparingly. I don't think anyone would use it unless there were a whole migration of a community though, and that would be difficult to arrange.
>>9598
Some anon in /poner/ suggested it, and I thought it was a decent enough idea. I assume it's so the catalogue view is always safe for work.
>>9599
I suppose people want an experience as close to 4channel as possible, and 4channel /mlp/ didn't allow porn, so they want that.
I don't personally understand it. I've been on /mlp/. Y'all horny post constantly. You all want to sex the ponies. I don't understand why anyone who has a vague idea of what the community is would think it should be a blue board.
I know people say that because /mlp/ doesn't allow explicit content it "forces people to be creative" by making porn in text based form instead, or with creative edits of suggestive images. But /mlp/ allowed porn before the scruffening, and I've never heard anyone ever say "God the fandom post-2014 is so much more culturally productive than 2011-2013." Ever.
People browse at work, sure, but I'm not sure who wants to be caught looking at sfw ponies on their phone at work anyways.
I do understand that some people just want an sfw experience on a pony imageboard, and that makes a lot of sense. We have two other boards that are NSFW, and I think that fact is the strongest argument in favor of making /poner/ a blue board.
>>9600
I named the board /poner/ of course because of ponerpics, but I just like the word "poner." It's so cute and silly. And that's how I like my interaction with the mlp fandom. Cute, silly, and fun. I see ponies as something to add to life to make it better. Something that should be positive and upbeat. I don't think it should be taken super seriously. I think that if pony a drag on your happiness then you're doing it wrong, and I'm not sure why you would be in the fandom. But people disagree.
>>9601
Welcome to the internet
[Read more] But Anon. That's the name of the website
>>9596
Back in 2017 when the website was new, there was a movement within the staff to change the website into what could be called "Aprilchan," a replacement for or competitor to 4chan as a whole. I was against it, as I wanted the website to keep its mlpol culture, and keep the website under mlpol control.
Personally, I have an aversion to the Japanese culture aspect. Anime fans seem to try to imperialize over all image boards and claim the entire concept belongs to them. They try to insert their specific culture everywhere and convert everything to their culture. More than one staff member actually left the my little pony fandom for anime. It's the same reason people don't like furries. Or ponies, for that matter.
If we were poaching 4chan/4channel boards, I don't think I'd want the adult boards and I'm skeptical of the Japanese culture boards, but I'm open to most everything else. In terms of my personal interests maybe /k/, /v/, /tg/, /x/, /his/, /int/, or /lit/. But the only 4chan or 4channel board I've visited since 2020 has been 4channel /mlp/, and that only sparingly. I don't think anyone would use it unless there were a whole migration of a community though, and that would be difficult to arrange.
>>9598
Some anon in /poner/ suggested it, and I thought it was a decent enough idea. I assume it's so the catalogue view is always safe for work.
>>9599
I suppose people want an experience as close to 4channel as possible, and 4channel /mlp/ didn't allow porn, so they want that.
I don't personally understand it. I've been on /mlp/. Y'all horny post constantly. You all want to sex the ponies. I don't understand why anyone who has a vague idea of what the community is would think it should be a blue board.
I know people say that because /mlp/ doesn't allow explicit content it "forces people to be creative" by making porn in text based form instead, or with creative edits of suggestive images. But /mlp/ allowed porn before the scruffening, and I've never heard anyone ever say "God the fandom post-2014 is so much more culturally productive than 2011-2013." Ever.
People browse at work, sure, but I'm not sure who wants to be caught looking at sfw ponies on their phone at work anyways.
I do understand that some people just want an sfw experience on a pony imageboard, and that makes a lot of sense. We have two other boards that are NSFW, and I think that fact is the strongest argument in favor of making /poner/ a blue board.
>>9600
I named the board /poner/ of course because of ponerpics, but I just like the word "poner." It's so cute and silly. And that's how I like my interaction with the mlp fandom. Cute, silly, and fun. I see ponies as something to add to life to make it better. Something that should be positive and upbeat. I don't think it should be taken super seriously. I think that if pony a drag on your happiness then you're doing it wrong, and I'm not sure why you would be in the fandom. But people disagree.
>>9601
Welcome to the internet
>>9628
>Some anon in /poner/ suggested it, and I thought it was a decent enough idea. I assume it's so the catalogue view is always safe for work.
I agree it was a decent idea at first glance. I thought so too. It's just... a little strange if it's only to make the catalogue view safe. For what purpose, considering the site's behavior and the other rule proposals? The front page is the default and won't be affected by this rule - NSFW images will be seen in thread previews. Unless you plan on making catalog view the default?
>Some anon in /poner/ suggested it, and I thought it was a decent enough idea. I assume it's so the catalogue view is always safe for work.
I agree it was a decent idea at first glance. I thought so too. It's just... a little strange if it's only to make the catalogue view safe. For what purpose, considering the site's behavior and the other rule proposals? The front page is the default and won't be affected by this rule - NSFW images will be seen in thread previews. Unless you plan on making catalog view the default?
>>9628
>Back in 2017 when the website was new, there was a movement within the staff to change the website into what could be called "Aprilchan," a replacement for or competitor to 4chan as a whole. I was against it, as I wanted the website to keep its mlpol culture, and keep the website under mlpol control.
Very good choice.
>Personally, I have an aversion to the Japanese culture aspect.
As do I. It's on the homepage so I listed it. Only thing I'm interested in is cosplay and that only in the abysmally low chance a femanon is willing to lurk much less post pics.
>It's so cute and silly.
It is. I'm sperging out over the loss of one of the very few websites I have used regularly.
>>9629
NSFW by itself is a discussion killer because if there's more than two anons one is bound by sheer chance to have low self control.
>Back in 2017 when the website was new, there was a movement within the staff to change the website into what could be called "Aprilchan," a replacement for or competitor to 4chan as a whole. I was against it, as I wanted the website to keep its mlpol culture, and keep the website under mlpol control.
Very good choice.
>Personally, I have an aversion to the Japanese culture aspect.
As do I. It's on the homepage so I listed it. Only thing I'm interested in is cosplay and that only in the abysmally low chance a femanon is willing to lurk much less post pics.
>It's so cute and silly.
It is. I'm sperging out over the loss of one of the very few websites I have used regularly.
>>9629
NSFW by itself is a discussion killer because if there's more than two anons one is bound by sheer chance to have low self control.
>>9628
>Anime fans seem to try to imperialize over all image boards and claim the entire concept belongs to them.
And they're completely right as it does belong to them. Not that you would know that...
>We have two other boards that are NSFW, and I think that fact is the strongest argument in favor of making /poner/ a blue board.
If this is your strongest argument, then you may as well have no argument as it is quite weak. "We have X of Y and that's why I'm going to do Z to A" sounds rather weak if you ask me.
>Anime fans seem to try to imperialize over all image boards and claim the entire concept belongs to them.
And they're completely right as it does belong to them. Not that you would know that...
>We have two other boards that are NSFW, and I think that fact is the strongest argument in favor of making /poner/ a blue board.
If this is your strongest argument, then you may as well have no argument as it is quite weak. "We have X of Y and that's why I'm going to do Z to A" sounds rather weak if you ask me.
>>9632
>NSFW by itself is a discussion killer because if there's more than two anons one is bound by sheer chance to have low self control.
For those with low self control, I agree. They shouldn't be partaking in manners of import, given they are so easily distracted. I have posted two NSFW images in this thread, and yet the discussion continues.
>NSFW by itself is a discussion killer because if there's more than two anons one is bound by sheer chance to have low self control.
For those with low self control, I agree. They shouldn't be partaking in manners of import, given they are so easily distracted. I have posted two NSFW images in this thread, and yet the discussion continues.
>>9633
The Internet as a whole isn't exclusively in the purview of military and astronomy anymore so why should image boards belong to anime only?
>quite weak
I don't want to repeat myself but blue-red is a really good design choice aesthetically and philosophically.
>>9634
See above. It's simply so much better for the quality of discourse.
The Internet as a whole isn't exclusively in the purview of military and astronomy anymore so why should image boards belong to anime only?
>quite weak
I don't want to repeat myself but blue-red is a really good design choice aesthetically and philosophically.
>>9634
See above. It's simply so much better for the quality of discourse.
>>9633
Weeabos keep moving
>This is a weak argument
Personally I'm not in favor of making /poner/, or frankly any board, a blue board. But it's also not an issue I'm so thoroughly invested in that I will say "fuck you I own the domain." I think the poll and discussion suggests that NSFW posting with some kind of restrictions is the best route.
>>9631
>>9630
shrugs
Sure
[Read more] Weeabos keep moving
>This is a weak argument
Personally I'm not in favor of making /poner/, or frankly any board, a blue board. But it's also not an issue I'm so thoroughly invested in that I will say "fuck you I own the domain." I think the poll and discussion suggests that NSFW posting with some kind of restrictions is the best route.
>>9631
>>9630
shrugs
Sure
>>9635
>ambiguous statement
Twice now you've done this, third times a kike. Clarify your admitted need for a blue board outside of the desire for shenanigans.
>ambiguous statement
Twice now you've done this, third times a kike. Clarify your admitted need for a blue board outside of the desire for shenanigans.
>>9636
>Nec audiendi qui solent dicere, **Vox populi, vox Dei**, quum tumultuositas vulgi semper insaniae proxima sit.
And those people should not be listened to who keep saying the **voice of the people is the voice of God**, since the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness.
>>9638
Just because. I like keeping things separate. Call me a racist or race realist or a sexist but I like to keep things separate.
>Nec audiendi qui solent dicere, **Vox populi, vox Dei**, quum tumultuositas vulgi semper insaniae proxima sit.
And those people should not be listened to who keep saying the **voice of the people is the voice of God**, since the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness.
>>9638
Just because. I like keeping things separate. Call me a racist or race realist or a sexist but I like to keep things separate.
>>9640
You really are that emotionally fragile aren't you? A spoilt child. If you aren't having fun, no one else can because you want to have fun in the way that you like.
You really are that emotionally fragile aren't you? A spoilt child. If you aren't having fun, no one else can because you want to have fun in the way that you like.
>>9656
>deflection, [i]again
>unstable foundation for argument
>no rebuttal
I don't think I need to make you look the fool any longer.
>deflection, [i]again
>unstable foundation for argument
>no rebuttal
I don't think I need to make you look the fool any longer.
>>9564
You're basically just talking to a D&C shill who does driveby demoralization posts like on /pol/ with 1PBID threads.
Though he's a little more dedicated than that since he keeps coming back with the same bait day after day.
He isn't going to take updated information into the account, he will only keep using the same outdated information as long as it fits his narrative.
You're basically just talking to a D&C shill who does driveby demoralization posts like on /pol/ with 1PBID threads.
Though he's a little more dedicated than that since he keeps coming back with the same bait day after day.
He isn't going to take updated information into the account, he will only keep using the same outdated information as long as it fits his narrative.
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